Our Lord in Doncaster, continued. …….
Lord Ahmed, the NuLabour peer sentenced to death a potential 18 days in an open prison after killing a man in a stationary car, whilst distracted by texting on his mobile, must be thrilled to learn this morning that a driver who killed another motorist as she sent text messages from her mobile phone is to have her sentence reviewed.
Phillipa Curtis, 21, from Suffolk, had been using her phone before she hit the back of Victoria McBryde’s stationary car at 70mph on the A40 in Oxfordshire.
Curtis was jailed in February for 21 months after being found guilty of causing death by dangerous driving.
However, the solicitor general has asked the Court of Appeal to rule on whether the term was unduly lenient.
“If the Court of Appeal decides that the sentence is unduly lenient they have the power to increase the length of the sentence,” Solicitor General Vera Baird QC said.
No doubt 10,000 Muslim Solicitors are descending on Doncaster Prison this morning to reassure Lord Ahmed that this mendacious government couldn’t possibly be thinking of reviewing his sentence.
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No problem. There must be a lot of people who appreciate what you have done and what you are doing! Good for you Jailhouse lawyer that you have somewhere to use your voice.
Of course …………….. we may not have these freedoms shortly! So let’s use ‘em while we can.
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March 6, 2009 at 15:00 -
CoCo: Thanks, it is nice to be appreciated.
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March 5, 2009 at 18:20 -
Thanks for all this Jailhouselawyer. I have enjoyed reading your own site on many occasions.
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March 5, 2009 at 18:17 -
”Zak 03.05.09 at 3:39 pm
He looks very scary in the first image”
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Errrm …………… I think that he looks like a killer.I once knew a guy called Killer funily enough.
One day I couldn’t help but ask him why he was called Killer. He said, ‘Because I killed my wife.”
It’s a funny old World.
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March 5, 2009 at 16:01 -
Vera, thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to put us plebs back in our place.
So what you are saying is in effect; if I kill someone while driving, as long as I’m not texting that is fine is it?
Could you please explain WHY his Lordship was only charged with dangerous driving WHEN HE KILLED SOMEONE?
Are you seriously trying to suggest that he was driving dangerously, texting, he then stopped texting and so stopped driving dangerously, then killed someone while driving completely _safely_? Are you really saying that?
You guys really are taking lessons from 1984 and Animal Farm aren’t you? You’re taking DoubleSpeak to a level even Orwell would have been impressed with. You do know those books are warnings, not instruction manuals for stupid authoritarian governments don’t you?
Do you actually believe the brown stuff that comes out of your keyboard?
437 days to go!
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March 5, 2009 at 15:39 -
He looks very scary in the first image, do you think the Sun doctored it to make him look more like a crazed immigrant taking up valuable space in our prisons that could be reserved for hard working British criminals… As for the prison itself; you call those bars? they look no thicker than twice the width of a human hair to me. Still it is nice to see that he is ‘getting stuck in’ to that pinnacle of rehabilitation- mopping.
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Tell them you read it in the Sun. They’ve even got pictures of him mopping out his cell
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March 5, 2009 at 14:13 -
I have now learnt that there is a internal inquiry going on in the Prison Service to discover why Serco gave me the security details in relation to Lord Ahmed.
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March 5, 2009 at 13:38 -
Zak: I noted the criteria as well and did not think he had been in long enough to have had a home leave, let alone complete any offending behaviour courses like ordinary prisoners have to submit to.
I fully expected that the red carpet would be rolled out for this high profile public figure.
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Or because his relocation puts their number at 261 prisoners?
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March 5, 2009 at 13:02 -
Jailhouselawyer, are you suggesting he shouldn’t be in such a prison because he hasn’t “completed a term of home leave from a closed establishment”?
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March 5, 2009 at 12:37 -
Prisoner number XP5810 Nazir Ahmed was transferred from Doncatraz to Moorland open prison on 26 February 2009.
The Prison Service website provides the following information…
“Moorland Open
Moorland is located near Doncaster.
Address:
Thorne Road
Hatfield
DONCASTER
South Yorkshire
DN7 6EL
Tel: 01405 746500
Fax: 01405 746501Governor: Tom Wheatley
Accommodation (Young Offenders): One unit housing 60 young offenders in single cellular accommodation. This unit is drug free and subject to VDT or compliance testing. (There are also four adult Category D Units).
Adults: Two units each housing 40 Cat D’s and two units housing 60 Cat D’s, all in single cellular accommodation. (There is one YOI unit).
Reception criteria (Young Offenders): 18 to 21 years. Up to 4 years and at least 21 days left to serve. Under section 53(2) of the Children and Young Persons Act, prisoners are accepted under HQ’s instruction once they have reached 18 years of age.
Suitability: Any prisoner who has successfully completed a term of home leave from a closed establishment should be considered suitable for open conditions and therefore Moorland Open will consider any such prisoner.
Any prisoner whose risk increases or who becomes unsuitable will be lodged in Moorland Closed and then returned to the sending prison.
Operational Capacity: 260 as of 29th August 2008 “.
The Governor Tom Wheatley is the son of the present Director General of the National Offender Management Service, Phil Wheatley, who, Jailhouselawyer considers to be a good friend.
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Uh? So this guy wasn’t killed by dangerous driving? This begs the question – what DID kill him?
Over to you, Ms. Solicitor-General. After all, you are the legal expert. Allegedly.
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March 5, 2009 at 08:31 -
If he was paying full attention to his driving, what was he doing crashing into vehicles parked on the hard shoulder?
I don’t even do that when I’m on the phone.
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March 5, 2009 at 03:41 -
There is something else to consider. lf we only have data from time of last text to time of 999 call them how is time of crash calculated?
lf, as we are told, the distance between place of last text and crash is 2 miles … then at 60mph it would be a mile a minute … therefore 2 miles.
But the actually said 60mph+. What does that mean 70?, 80? 90?more?The faster the Jag was travelling, the time period between text and crash gets less!
Speed cannot acurately be calculated from scene of crash as his Jag hit the Audi (therefore not just depending on Jag breaking) so the tyre skid marks can only give a minimum speed not the maximum.
Also note that exact pinpointing of position of phone from mobile phone records gets very vague in rural areas unlike cities. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_tracking
Quote “Qualified services may achieve a precision of down to 50 meters in urban areas where mobile traffic and density of antenna towers (base stations) is sufficiently high. Rural and desolate areas may see miles between base stations and therefore determine locations less precisely.”
Of course we would have had all these questions answered IF the more serious charge had not been dropped.
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March 5, 2009 at 03:14 -
In approx 2 mins we are supposed to believe the ‘official’ version that he wasn’t using his phone, had a crash, was knocked out, then came round and THEN a 999 call was made on the same phone???? This is where the timescale comes in, and was calculated between his last text and the 999 call … (and this time has to be exact by the way, not approx. Time of 999 call minus time of text … it is an impossibility to be approx!)
There has been some manipulation here. Think about it, you see it on tv with the rugby. When even momentarily knocked out it takes a while to come to your senses.
How about he crashed WHEN he sent the last text? … 2 mins later the 999 call was then made?
…………………………………………………………………Phillipa Curtis? was she actually texting AT the time of crash or BEFORE the crash? … say 1 sec?2 secs?5 secs?10 secs? 30 secs? 1 min? 2 mins? >>> oop’s in Ahmed territory now (official version)
What is official time period that one has to breach before ‘ using your phone whilst driving’ can be attribute to a car accident?
The ‘official’ version just does not stand up to scrutiny.
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March 5, 2009 at 00:42 -
Old Holborn 03.04.09 at 10:07 pm
Vera luv
As I said to Tom Harris MP just yesterday,
fuck off
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Old Holborn says: ‘………………. I
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March 5, 2009 at 00:18 -
Just jump into a London Taxi, the records will eventually be there for you to peruse at your leisure.
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March 5, 2009 at 00:03 -
To examine Lord Ahmeds text records, 2 Special Branch officers would have requested access to the HLR (home location register) of his mobile provider (kept in a sealed room at the local Mobile Switching Centre). This tells them which cell he was logged onto, where (to within ten metres) he was and exactly when.
I’d love to see those records. Alas, I’m not allowed.
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March 5, 2009 at 00:07
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Of course, he shouldn’t have BEEN texting at all… how do you know it had stopped, he could have been lying.. it probably wasn’t sent, but erased! Shameful! Dangerous driving is “Dangerous Driving” and should carry a heavy penalty no matter who it is… or the mitigating circumstances, especially when someone has been MURDERED!
The law in the UK has become a sham, it’s a disgrace and the judiciary need to stop involving politics in their decisions.
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March 4, 2009 at 22:27 -
Righto. Just give me time to find my glass eye.
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March 4, 2009 at 22:16 -
Indian giver.
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March 4, 2009 at 22:14 -
I could put my curlers and teeth back in if you like?
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March 4, 2009 at 22:16
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Vera luv
As I said to Tom Harris MP just yesterday,
fuck off
Love and hugs
O
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Vera Baird says: ‘Hence he was not charged with causing death while dangerous driving like ms Curtis but with dangerous driving only. Nobody should text while driving’
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Methinks we probably need a European Court to deal with this …………….. before we split even more hairs than even the FSS in Birmingham weren’t able do in the Clan case!I hope the victim’s family get the case back in Court before Bruney takes that particular avenue away from us.
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March 4, 2009 at 21:51 -
Errrrrr …………… No wonder we are going to be gunned down and jailed for trying to find out stuff about the people who run the bloody country!!!
Have you seen the track-records for some of these privileged Half-Wits?
We may as well let the inmates of Broadmoor and the Scrubs run this country now. At least we know the measure of them!
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March 4, 2009 at 21:45 -
Errrrrr ……………… Moving swiftly on to all that caper in Northern Ireland during the mid 80s and that poor John from Greater Manchester Police. OOooOoohhh!!! Blow me down like a feather! When the UK does a whitewash – they do it with concrete first!
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March 4, 2009 at 21:34 -
…”However, the solicitor general has asked the Court of Appeal to rule on whether the term was unduly lenient. “….
Do I take it that the solicitor general is not going to ask the same question re The Lord’s case?
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March 4, 2009 at 21:33 -
Errrrrrr ……………….. I have just done some background checks and collected some data on various Lordies and MPs ……………… Some are a bit so-so if you get my drift.
However – you want to see what some of the members of their families get up to!!!
I am just about to check out Jackie Strawman. I haven’t heard much about him lately. I hope his family is a credit to our society ………… or else he will be off my list of bestest decent Socialists.
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March 4, 2009 at 21:27 -
The difference is obvious. Lord Ahmed seems to have been driving dangerously. Philippa Curtis seems to have been driving textremely dangerously.
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March 4, 2009 at 21:27 -
Funny you should say this Saul. I had pondered the idea about the idea of stiffness in a previous post. I hope he wasn’t sex-texting. Things could get in the way of his steering wheel!
I am just so sorry for the family of the guy who died. They looked absolutely desolate and short-changed. I hope they have a whip-round and get a top lawyer to take this further.
The Clan McCann are good at getting hold of top lawyers – so I reckon that they would be good for the family to get in touch with ………… Or Gordie Bruney and Tony Bear.
If you go down to the woods today ……………. It will be full of Labial Bears. Crawling with bears those woods! And policemen on training courses in preparation for the anarchy that is about to arrive.
And Saul!!! You are not even remotely thick ……………….. You are a supreme poster with a supreme mind.
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March 4, 2009 at 21:14 -
Maybe I’m just a bit thick, but if a death occurs from dangerous driving then surely a stiffer sentence should be handed out. I fail to see the difference
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Correct amussimus Ms. Baird. However, if I were the Judge I would wish to know the contents of his texts ……………. If he had read a text from Gordie Bruney that said we were about to invade Iran …………….
Heavens above! He could have become incensed! His blood pressure could have gone through the roof and disturbed his thought processes which may in turn have blurred his vision and caused him to tremble.
For all we know he could have had a mistress ………….. Like that nut-case David Blunkett ……….. and just discovered that he was about to become a father.
Can one imagine the consequences if Blundering Blunkett had received a disturbing text that upset him when he was already in the middle of deciding to bring the Army in to quell some prison riots? Good grief!
Carnage Madam. Utter carnage! But as you correctly say – nobody should text and drive.
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March 4, 2009 at 20:42 -
Does that mean his dangerous driving didn’t cause a death then?
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March 4, 2009 at 20:03 -
the judge made clear, contrary to what you say, the texting had stopped several miles before the crash and played no part in the death. Hence he was not charged with causing death while dangerous driving like ms Curtis but with dangerous driving only. Nobody should text while driving
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March 4, 2009 at 16:09 -
I have still got my Pinky and Perky record album. When I was about 17 years old I did a tape of me and my pal ………….. on helium.
Lord Ahmed should have been given at least two years. He is a Lord for Christ’s sake. He should be made an example of.
His sentence has given carte blanche to all the tossers who use their mobile phones whilst driving.
I would not be averse to bringing back hanging for this particular offence. Hanging by cheese-wire would be most appropriate but I would settle for rope.
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March 4, 2009 at 15:32 -
If the good Lord’s sentence is reviewed, it will be followed by a flypast of the Pinky and Perky aerobatics team.
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