The Sunday Post: A Nation Groomed?
I was recently pondering why I feel so alienated and apart from society. It was only more or less just ten years ago that I was still attending mainstream nightclubs, under my own volition, without feeling as if I was visiting another planet. It’s just over seven years since I made the decision to study law as a full-time student (blissfully ignorant of what had happened to The Student since I had been previously been a student 14 years earlier). One probable reason for my disconnection has to be my refusal to watch reality TV, and any kind of TV talent show such as ‘X-Factor’, and any of the Great British Soap Operas. I must confess I watched quite a number of those between 2000 and 2004, but kicked the habit around ten years ago – the result of which is that the conditioning many put themselves through (and sadly most females) has not affected me, but had a colossal effect on society in general. In particular, during the past three years this cultural gap has widened, but these aren’t just the words of an armchair philosopher. Between 2007 and 2010 I was a full-time Law student at a well-respected University, and in the traumatic Year of Our Lord 2012, I worked at what could be called the epicentre of Modern Britain, in a call centre.
We keep being told – almost constantly, as it happens – that we are living in more enlightened times. This is the message from the media, and from the anal annals of Twitter – those of left-leaning persuasion, the ‘feminists’ and those frustrated wannabes & has-beens on the edge of the media hoping to be accepted enough to get a look in sometime soon. Channel 4 screen a show called ‘It Was Alright In The 70s’, cherry-picking out-of-context snippets of old TV shows for comedians of a certain age and demographic to express mock disgust and horror – focusing on any use of 21st Century buzzwords like ‘Rape’ and leaving out unwanted background information such as ‘Butterflies’ being written by a woman (the principled Carla Lane). We throw our hands in the air at clips from ‘Doctor At Large’ and ‘The Benny Hill Show’, grimace at sexist adverts for cigars in 1972 but choose to ignore the 2014 adverts using heavy – and completely unnecessary – sexual overtones to flog things like Mitsubishi Cars screened during the commercial breaks. Which is much the same in ‘the real world’. I’m not sure which bubble these people exist in but it suggests to me they have little contact with what is going down in every town in the UK in the lives of the ordinary people. Take the recent furore over the piss-poor, out-of-his-depth comedy act Dapper Laughs – I personally considered it not just unnecessarily sexist but unfunny too, but I noticed other people I know – namely younger people in their 20s – enjoyed it. Nothing wrong with that, it’s a free country (in theory) but its audience demographic comprises those who are, we are told over and over again, from a more ‘enlightened’ generation. How can this be? Surely they must be right?
The reality of this is Young People are nothing like they are imagined to be by the Twitter lobbyists and the newspaper columnists. I served a 12-month sentence in 2012 working in the modern-day equivalent of a factory, a call centre. In Modern Britain these places are springing up all over the place and employ everyone from the completely unqualified to your more unlucky University Graduates, with a smattering of more mature folk who have found themselves needing to take any job. In the main, though, these places are the preserve of the young – and my time there was an education in itself. The mentality and behaviour of these ‘enlightened’ younger people was a revelation to me – if I started off the job feeling out of sorts, I left it utterly despondent. The company was very female-centric, but not in a positive way.
The management team were a bunch of four middle-aged women whose skirts were far too short and tight – basically a Poundland take on the ‘Loose Women’ panel. The floor manager a 24-year woman who had worked there since being 16 – a nose like Mr Punch and a broad Leeds accent being balanced by the shapely figure she flaunted past tables of drooling spotty testosterone-fuelled young Telesales Agents many times a day. It was no secret she was sleeping with the 60-year old company director and had been for some time. Then there was Sophia.
Sophia was 21 years old and an aspiring model. Unlike many of her contemporaries she didn’t look plastic, a traditional ‘classic beauty’ – long black hair, gorgeous looks and figure to die for. She was also wild and promiscuous. Every weekend she would go out with her team, get hammered on vodka cocktails and sleep with several of the lads on that team – who, of course, couldn’t believe their luck. This happened week after week, but was she ashamed? No – she gave one chap a blow-up on their break, and took to bringing her modelling portfolio to work to show anyone who wanted to look – mainly topless ‘glamour’ work. Many of the other girls hated the slag but she didn’t seem to care about that either. I witnessed her and her entourage on a Friday night; she was staggering around in high heels drinking some cocktail or other straight out of the jug – no doubt just prior to entertaining the lads once again.
So what is going on in society? Are these youngsters more enlightened than the Luddites of the late 20th Century? Sophia seemed to love being smashed, unashamedly so – does that sound wrong? If so, I apologise, but ‘smash’ is a word used all the time these days. We were told to ‘smash out some sales’ which would lead to every weekend of ‘getting smashed’ (completely inebriated on booze and/or drugs) and then the lads would aspire to ‘smash some birds in’ and the ladies would want to be ‘smashed in’. This is the language used; this is where the real world is at. These poor fools are the products of political correctness, of the 1990’s educational reforms, of equality. Is the 1970s and Jimmy Savile to blame for them too?
This culture of rampant hedonism may not be on your Twitter feed, on your personal Facebook wall or even in the columns of the likes of Grace Dent or Lauren Laverne, but it is, literally, everywhere. Where is it heading? It does not tally up with the epidemic of Puritanism springing up like a disease on the nation’s university campuses as some of the children declare themselves ‘feminists’. What will become of the children raised on a diet of normalised explicit pornography and overtly sexualised media (music, television, films etc) – are the males all destined to become ‘rapists’ and ‘abusers’ at some point in their sorry lives? The toxic media culture of ‘Sex Sex Sex’ – all so clearly signposted in neon letters for those of us with our heads out of the sand on TV shows like ‘TOWIE’ and ‘Geordie Shore’ – places huge importance on hedonism and fun, and on fitting in. These young people aren’t thinking straight because their minds work now not by time-honed intuition but by specific instruction. In this environment – where everything is, like, a laugh, yeah? – the lads can’t believe their luck and the lasses want to have their cake and eat it, just like all the women on telly.
Is this a nation being ‘groomed’ for real? Those radical lobbyists and copycat Twitts have recently been getting on their high horses about the case of footballer Ched Evans, convicted of ‘rape’ and effectively condemned as a violent sex offender for the rest of his life. The uncomfortable truth is that ‘rape’ was much the same as a great deal of weekend sexual activity – seedy, perhaps, ill-advised for sure – but consensual acts involving people far too drunk, far too stupid and – worst of all – conditioned to behave this way by the influences thrust upon them at a very young age by the media at large. Be afraid – be very afraid.
Retrocool73
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December 14, 2014 at 10:35 am -
Welcome RETROCOOL73
An interesting story which has piqued my curiosity.
” – she gave one chap a blow-up .. ”
Was that to inflate his ego, or, was it a blow-job he received?
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December 14, 2014 at 10:45 am -
A term I’ve never really understood. They don’t actually blow; do they?
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December 14, 2014 at 11:22 am -
There’s a Billy Connolly sketch in which he suggests what would happen if it really was a ‘blow’ job.
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December 14, 2014 at 11:09 am -
“Wildly promiscuous” but stopped short of giving you a blow-up? Is that what left you despairing of modern youth?
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December 14, 2014 at 11:33 am -
There was much much more to despair about than whether or not I had my cock sucked – and one has to bear in mind the act can also be classed as ‘rape’ now, so best avoided completely unless there’s a cast iron guarantee the lady isn’t an idiot.
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December 14, 2014 at 3:46 pm -
Is that like the cast iron guarantee of an EU referendum?
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December 14, 2014 at 11:36 am -
Reckon it may be Retrochis at the key board this Sunday morning in which case thanks for your usual incisive take on one of your favourite topics….yours is possibly the only other blog I search out on the web apart from this.
Apart from what appears to be one possible claim being flawed which I mention below your critique is right on the money for me.
The flawed claim? ….’this is where the real world is at’ ….not I think the real world but where present day Society sees reality …..as far from certain realities (perhaps the safest way to look at things is that there are many realities or at least no single reality) as perhaps a Society can safely stray and perhaps its unsurprising it has strayed for the reasons you so eloquently set out.
Afraid? Well I am a little bit, more for my children than me. Not because they are tempted by the nonsenses of the present day but because they have to make a living in present day Society. Like many I saw the way Society was developing and tried to show them other realities than the one being pedalled by the MSM….quite deliberately coz I don’t think present day realities are particularly safe, satisfying or likely to endure. Now they are grown up a bit they seem to agree coz whilst I may have shown them alternatives I never claimed the alternatives were the only true reality or that MSM realities were false but they have chosen as they have.I thought they might feel isolated when older but better that, I thought, than they not having a choice but to accept the mainstream. Mind you as in most things I got it wrong for they have many colleagues and friends who have been shown similar realities and embraced them and rejected MSM reality. Actually I am astounded by quite how astute most of them appear to be and possibly and hopefully their reality is safer and sounder than my own.
Not much can do about the MSM reality except learn from those cleverer than oneself how the storm might develop over time and how best to shelter from it as it develops, observe the idiots running round in it and ignore their entreaties that their reality is the only one. Sad to say I don’t worry for them though I think I probably should but their reality inconveniences me personally no more than reaching for the remote control.
Incidentally if I am right it is Retrochris your blog on modern day magazines aimed at the female market was as memorably good to me as some of Anna’s output…and there is no higher compliment from me…. not that I claim my opinion is necessarily that important. -
December 14, 2014 at 11:39 am -
This piece gave me a huge amount of pause for thought…if you can have a huge pause for anything. I was once told that Jordan thought the menopause was not having a shag for a couple of weeks, but that’s not important right now.
What I really mean is that you’re obviously a lot younger than me, but have exactly the same disconnection. I think it’s chiefly to do with nous and IQ rather than age, which I hope is a compliment to both of us.
Either way, made me fell less alone on a dull, damp Sunday in France. Great read, well done.-
December 14, 2014 at 12:53 pm -
Thanks John, praise indeed – I think perhaps the most telling part in the difference in those born 1988 & after to those from before is previously all the post-war generations intermingled – at work and at play. The post-88’s have, generally, grown up effectively quarantined from adults in an increasing infantile mindset – so what they is almost completely a product of the media and the education they have been subjected to… and now they are “adults” we have the situation of older adults feeling that they should be more like them.
And we all fall down….
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December 14, 2014 at 11:59 am -
I’m still in my 30’s for a few years yet and I’m also baffled by the turn things appear to have taken. The Puritanism/Promiscuity Paradox is a proper baffler – for the sexualisation of the media, as well as the demands that Something Must Be Done, seem even more extreme than at the peak of Mary Whitehouse’s Beeb-bothering. And yet, the two can exist side-by-side in 2014, because for the most part the Angrily Righteous aren’t targeting the “filth” of the present – but of the past. It’s all well and good to point out how society has progressed along the lines of “We don’t have to put up with this sort of thing any more”… what that has developed into in recent years seems more like “We don’t have to have put up with this sort of thing in the first place”. And so, foibles of society that were at best accepted, at worst tolerated, 40-odd years ago, are being hauled under the 21st century microscope and condemned as though they were happening today. So child star turned sexpot Miley Cyrus can twerk away to her heart’s content – but God help you if you had wandering hands back in the last century, for you will find your whole life rewritten so that posterity will know nothing of your contributions to society other than that you were, are, and forever will be a Predatory Sex Offender.
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December 14, 2014 at 10:58 pm -
There is no mystery in what is happening.
The feminists have been absolutely ineffective in raising the standards of most working class women. Those women are now using the one thing they possess to create easy money. Even easier is to effect a wealth transfer by means of the star-chamber-like courts using phony testimony, and exaggerated “injury” preferably aimed at a well-heeled victim. The middle-class and upper-class courtesans have not been slow to join the parade.
My opprobium is not -of course-aimed at all females, just the majority.
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December 14, 2014 at 12:05 pm -
You sound like Albert Tatlock. Eh bah gum, the youth of today. In ma day they’us all prim an’ proper like.
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December 14, 2014 at 12:14 pm -
It is all pretty easily explained if you adhere to the same model of Britain as I do, which is that the Establishment are inevitably far more puritanical than the lower orders (at least, publicly, until one is found dead wearing ladies underwear with a satsuma in his gob) and have felt obligated to be this way since at least the mid 19th century. The call centre behaviour is pretty normal human behaviour in the absence of some kind of puritanism/sharia imposed by force (either beatings with sticks, fear of God, or both) and you can find the precise same stuff causing the same Establishment hankie-fluttering in the moralist tracts of every age. People often fail to grasp this by comparing “kids today” to, generally, the 1950s, when an abnormally severe social conservatism was quite widespread due to (a) the Great Depression (not much partying money) and (b) The War, in which everyone of the then 1950s parental generation and older had become very conformist due to the whole nation being literally regimented by the needs of fighting a Total War.
There is a myth that society is being “sexualised” and this is generally blamed on either internet porn, or internet porn, or possibly internet porn. In reality, people are just acting normal, which to a Puritan looks like they’re dancing through the gates of Hell, one tequila sunrise at at a time.
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December 14, 2014 at 1:42 pm -
Oi’ll give that one foive…..
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December 14, 2014 at 10:20 pm -
Oh, memories of Janis!
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December 14, 2014 at 7:03 pm -
+10
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December 14, 2014 at 11:08 pm -
As someone who was brought up at the heart of the Establishment during the 1960s – my father was an ambassador and my stepmother’s uncle was a former prime minister – I can assure you that the Establishment was not more puritanical than the lower orders and never has been. As long as it didn’t frighten the horses, almost anything was perfectly acceptable, as far as the aristocracy were concerned.
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December 15, 2014 at 7:51 pm -
You could say we’re re-running the 18th century, when there was a great deal of libertinism, and the rich were much richer and more powerful than the plebs.
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December 14, 2014 at 12:24 pm -
It’s also worth noting this “sexualisation of the media” narrative. A lot of people get confused because they think “the media” is part of the same ideological system as “the Establishment” (by which I mean, our ruling class) so can’t understand the “mixed messages”- the media gets sexier while the Establishment complain about sex. What gives?
The answer is that the media is mostly consumer driven. Yes, the TV company owners and movie moguls and record company execs are often part of the upper middle class/Establishment (I seem to be using this word to a cranky degree, sorry) but they are ultimately trying to shift product, which means they have to appeal to the actual tastes of the masses, whether they like it or not. So, since the masses (that’s us, that is) generally like “sexy”, the product they produce is “sexy”.
The political class (to avoid cranking out “Establishment” again) do not like sexy at all. They think it is very bad for us. But they are not shifting product. They are in NGOs and on government committees, and so on. They aren’t trying to appeal to us; quite the opposite, they are trying to reform us. So, you get the media, most of the time, as much as it can, giving us what we want (tits and bums) while the politically motivated people of the political class moan about it.
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December 14, 2014 at 1:44 pm -
*! DING !*
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December 14, 2014 at 7:06 pm -
The political class do not like sexy at all, because it’s the one thing they really can’t control. Even when sexual acts have been illegal, people still did them anyway.
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December 14, 2014 at 11:10 pm -
Nonsense, the upper classes have always been amoral.
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December 14, 2014 at 12:40 pm -
Also although human beings are very interested in sex not everyone feels the need to be drunk and shag around. There are degrees as in everything. Youth is often the main factor. If the “21 year-old model” written of in the story is still shagging around at 41 she will be a increasingly sad case. By 61 she will very likely have stopped whether she wants to or not. Because almost no one else will want to.
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December 14, 2014 at 12:57 pm -
@Mr Ecks There are degrees as in everything.
Actually I suggest there are different styles and interpretations of the same ideas whatever they may be. Just some styles and interpretations seem somehow inherently ugly though trying to justify that opinion is a little difficult though one might try by arguing outcomes are likely to be poor.
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December 14, 2014 at 1:10 pm -
I lived in the garrison town to end all garrison towns… Warrington, during the forties and fifties. Burtonwood for Yanks supply base. Padgate for airforce intake. Penninsula Barracks for spotty Warrington Army call up lads. Stretton camp for fleet air arm (loved to plod up there with the gang to watch Swordfish biplanes practising dodgy carrier landings). Wartime, aged between 7-12!!! no parents supervising our 3 or four mile walk, and all day woodland exploration…bliss. Signals regiment out at Sankey acking acking over the road to Liverpool to try to shoot down the German bombers on the way to Liverpool to clobber the docks. Thrumming over our house at night, while we cowered under the Morrison shelter. Barrage ballons galore and searchlights probing. Needless to say the nurses had a whale of a time. Why do todays pampered tattooed floozies and Whitehouse style snotty students behave as they do about the remoter post war era? Afterall our generation’s parents endured 2 world wars, rationing, prolonged austerity plus the tag end of rationing. Along came the glorious sixties for their children to make whoopy after years of fear, shortages and fuddy duddy fashion times. Have they ever had to use clothing coupons? They fester over the totally silly seventies of bad fashion, LSD head scrambling, hyper inflation, strikes galore, lights out. Do they know you could peel off about 6 supermarket price tickets, as prices rocketed daily to 25% inflation? Would they like their lights out? Strike after strike? freezing cold houses?….. As pointed out in a previous post, the most common consensual way to avoid a dreaded baby then, but have a thrill, is now counted, very conveniently, as rape, which is being MSM driven to be the crime de la crime. End of rant.
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December 14, 2014 at 1:46 pm -
Excellent summary of our times. The reality of who is really being groomed, by whom and for what is truly chilling.
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December 14, 2014 at 1:56 pm -
Reading Chaucer or Samuel Pepys can be a bit of an eye-opener. They knew a thing or two about promiscuity in those days.
With no disrespect for call centre employees, such stablishments rarely aspire to recruit the cream of society. Quite how an aspiring law graduate came to be there for so long you don’t say, but from what you write you were not their typical employee. It’s quite possible that many of the inmates were just doing what they had to do to survive, and would have been delighted to land a more congenial method of paying the bills. Some of the tales of old from the cotton mills of Lancashire suggest that things don’t really change much; one old fitter of my acquaintance recalled the treatment meted out by mill girls to apprentices given half a chance; he said that on Christmas Eve or the day before Wakes Week, you had your tools packed and left the mill before noon – losing half a day’s pay was far preferable to being scragged in the weaving sheds. That was just about within living memory – Lord knows what things were like in rougher times.
Is Society falling apart? It always has been; somehow it keeps going. It still will.
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December 14, 2014 at 2:08 pm -
I think the trend of dumbing down is involved. I find it depressing to compare the education standards of today with those of my youth. (I had better admit to being older than three quarters of a century). The appalling diction and sloppy grammar heard on TV is far removed from the days of ‘Aunty Beeb’. These days it seems more important to the BBC to tick all the boxes of ethnicity, sexual preferment, physical handicaps and exaggerated regional accents than clarity of speech or spinless reportage.
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December 14, 2014 at 2:18 pm -
I was recently pondering why I feel so alienated and apart from society.
I know why I do. Our society has been re-engineered by monsters.
What you have described is the inevitable and intended result of the ‘soft’ eugenics of the past several decades. The idea was to create dysfunction by sexualising just about everything so that children would engage in sex at younger ages and more often and more ‘diverse’. This has the effect of making settling down in a monogamous relationship and starting a family psychologically much more difficult. It’s part of the Fabian agenda to destroy the family for total socialist control.
I too kicked television into touch ten years ago. I refused to pay the BBC another penny. I more-or-less stopped listening to modern ‘music’ and I haven’t bought a mainstream ‘news’paper for many years. The ‘entertainment’ industry is heavily controlled, including the ‘counterculture’. You are unlikely ever to make it big unless you are peddling sex, drugs, atheism or political correctness.
The media pick up every little ‘misdemeanour’ and magnify it a thousand times. Every tweet; every private email; every overheard word; every comment uttered in frustration on the football field is used by the media to bang on about racism/sexism/homophobia. There is no forgiveness.
But that’s not surprising, because they don’t “do God”.
We keep being told… that we are living in more enlightened times.
That’s just the idea that people can do better without God allegedly holding them back and keeping them in the “Dark Ages”. A great many of the most influential scientists were Christians. They were the ones who heralded in the modern age, not the ‘enlightened’ ones – not the Darwinists with their fake science and unsound reasoning. The famous evolutionist Stephen Jay Gould, who was anti-racism, yet admitted,
“Biological arguments for racism may have been common before 1850, but they increased by orders of magnitude following the acceptance of evolutionary theory.”
Evolution theory enabled the mass murdering leaders of the 20th century to justify the killing of millions.
The spread of moral relativism means that we have gone from the general understanding of absolute right and wrong to many people doing whatever seems right in their own eyes. Again, just as intended. More ideological subversion to destroy our country for it to be sucked deeper into the EU and wider global government.
People are being fooled into feeling enlightened and that they are having a good time, but they are being used as political pawns and will wake up to reality, eventually, with shock and shame and the realisation that, while they were being sidetracked, they lost everything that is important.
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December 14, 2014 at 10:17 pm -
Your name might have been Cohen
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December 16, 2014 at 6:38 am -
My surname is derived from Cohen, which means “priest”.
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December 14, 2014 at 2:19 pm -
If you chose to lie down with dogs when you can’t find anywhere else to sleep, it is churlish to complain about the fleas.
Anna obviously considers herself vastly superior to those condemed to work in a call centre, such snobbishness belongs in the Labour party. I’m disappointed in her.-
December 14, 2014 at 2:28 pm -
Our esteemed landlady is currently enjoying her retirement and was not the author of this article.
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December 14, 2014 at 2:35 pm -
Then she needs to find a better replacement for her.
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December 14, 2014 at 4:31 pm -
In truth La Racoon has no peer save on the odd occasion
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December 14, 2014 at 4:53 pm -
A reaction worth it’s weight in gold.
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December 14, 2014 at 7:18 pm -
Moron
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December 14, 2014 at 10:15 pm -
It is clear that you are not it.
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December 14, 2014 at 10:21 pm -
Dislike them as I may, even though that may well unintentionally do so, Labour Party would never knowingly admit twats. So you can be sure that they would reject your application
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December 14, 2014 at 10:23 pm -
I’m certain that they wouldn’t accept autocorrected applications either
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December 14, 2014 at 5:39 pm -
Paraphrasing : “If you chose to read a blog post, it is churlish to complain.”
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December 14, 2014 at 2:28 pm -
“spinless reportage” Spineless reportage might better describe the beeb’s output.
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December 14, 2014 at 2:36 pm -
Could also describe this drivel.
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December 14, 2014 at 4:36 pm -
Then if you don’t like it, cease being tiresome and bugger off.
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December 14, 2014 at 10:18 pm -
Look. You were caught out making a very stupid mistake about the author of the blog. Take the correction with good grace and next time read the stuff that you intend to comment on.
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December 14, 2014 at 3:16 pm -
Triturateur can I politely ask you to fcuk off.
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December 14, 2014 at 5:19 pm -
Makes me nostalgic for the relatively innocent experience of growing up in the 60s, and we thought we were wild! I suppose we were compared to the 50s. Just wonder what world my small grandchildren will grow up in. Hopefully some balance will return in time.
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December 14, 2014 at 6:55 pm -
We were born to be wild. The 1950’s ended with South Pacific as the monster selling album of the year in the UK. Then came The Beatles and the Stones, marijuana and the Pill and legal abortion. It was never the same again.
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December 14, 2014 at 6:58 pm -
In 1972 the Male Singer of the Year was Cliff Richard.
In 1973 the Male Singer of the Year was David Bowie.
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/time.html-
December 14, 2014 at 7:11 pm -
Just shows the progress a society can make in one year.
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December 14, 2014 at 8:32 pm -
Made me LOL.
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December 14, 2014 at 8:40 pm -
It’s hard for anyone who didn’t grow up in that era to imagine the scale of the change but it was great fun to be young then. No wonder our poor parents were utterly confused by their teenagers.
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December 14, 2014 at 6:51 pm -
Excellent article and many excellent responses too. Don’t have time to reply at length. but I find it odd that I am becoming a reactionary old fogey, having been of somewhat left-wing and progressive tendency all my life, I now actually find myself looking to conservative media for more factual information and find the average person who posts opinion pieces and commentaries on the events du jour to The Guardian somewhat deranged.
I agree that mass media are highly controlled, but then so are patterns of consumption, fashions in clothing, fashions in political opinions, and so on. As Orwell predicted in Nineteen Eighty-Four, a time would come when the proles would continue much as the proles always had, but to be anybody one needed to be a party member. Only these days party membership is much more loosely defined, and members are identified by showing a Visa credit card at the gasoline pump, while proles often have to pay cash before pumping or don’t have cars at all.
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December 28, 2014 at 2:46 am -
I sympathise. I always considered myself left-wing, until I realised of late that these “progressive” types seem to exist to serve every demographic imaginable save mine – the boring, evil, hissable white heterosexual male, whose very existence, masculinity and normal healthy sexuality is increasingly to be demonized, shamed and actively criminalized.
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December 14, 2014 at 7:22 pm -
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December 14, 2014 at 8:39 pm -
Want to see how bad it can be when you get falsely accused of something? Then read this: http://www.chedevans.com/
He’s a fool, but she appears to be worse.
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December 14, 2014 at 10:27 pm -
It’s not just you Chris, nor even just the UK. The feminist madness will only get worse while limpid men defer to them.
You can probably find some answers at Men on Strike a book by Helen Smith available cheap at Kindle.
You are on strike, you just don’t understand why at the moment.
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December 14, 2014 at 11:16 pm -
Setting aside the current female behaviour there is a fairly obvious legal fall back. Corroboration. In Scotland we still have a legal requirement that any claim has to be corroborated. The PTB have been trying to remove it on the basis that fewer rape allegations will reach court unless corroboration is removed. Without it anyine can claim anything and if they are the most convincing they will win, like you have in England right now…
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December 15, 2014 at 9:43 am -
SNP are determined to remove it I understood.
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December 14, 2014 at 11:18 pm -
I can appreciate where you’re coming from, Mr Retrorocket, but I think Ian B’s contributions are very helpful in developing this
Those that would do you, and everyone else, good, for the sake of your enlightenment and benefit are more likely to be found sucking up their perceived peers from the political and NGO classes as that’s the most likely way of gaining influence, power, and a modicum of control over all those beastly others of whom they don’t approve
I tend to think of this more like a war, the fight being one where the strategy of these people is to impose their superior moral benificence on others by force, with the tactics employed being those that might relevant where the enemy has superior numbers, but suffers from a total absence of any co-ordinated command and control structure, and where the home front can be susceptible to fifth column activity
So, no, they’re not going to assault the beachheads in some full frontal assault and be driven off by an enemy which laughs at their presumption, in a sort of ‘don’t you mess high our junk’ sort of way
Rather, they pick their opportunities, one by one, and use these to undermine the enemy. The idea is to pick thing that have a sufficient ‘Yuk’ factor, one which can be used to give the impression that their enemies are beyond the pale, outside of the boundaries of human decency, and help create concept of there being some sort of underlying universal villainy attached to such people that it would be totally unacceptable for it not to be universally addressed.
So, we have a Saville here, a Yewtree there, here a Glitter, there a Twitter, everywhere a Rolf Rolf . And so they go on, giving the politicos their head, the reward for which is ever more restrictive new laws, as they outflank their contemporaries who, living happily in their perceived freedoms, are blissfully unaware that what they are wholeheartedly subscribing to as curbs on the deviancies of another age are,in reality, a shitstorm of legislative measures really aimed at them and heading their way very soon. And when they do finally realise that others were out to get them, it’s much too late
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December 15, 2014 at 10:28 am -
Very perceptive.
They operate on many fronts. The RSPB are currently trying to destroy the shooting fraternity by claiming that their gamekeepers kill Hen Harriers. There’s actually precious little evidence for this on any sort of scale – just one or two very highly reported incidences. The vast majority of gamekeepers are very much trying to keep a balance on their ‘patch’ – they often know more about the wildlife of their area than any RSPB warden ever will. and do far more to conserve the diversity of species on their patch (and at their employers’ considerable expense) than the RSPB ever has. That, howver, is not how matters are often portrayed in the media, especially the BBC.
Why is the RSPB acting this way? Do it’s members (the vast majority of whom are just people who love wildlife and want to do their bit to conserve it as best they can) really know what is going on, and what the RSPB’s management’s agenda really is? Sadly, the RSPB, like the PSPCA, has been hijacked by a small cabal with a very political agenda. The wildlife is just a convenient (and easily disposable) route to achievement of a rather nasty agenda – the eradication of a perfectly legal activity.
And that’s just one example….
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December 17, 2014 at 1:59 pm -
I agree with all this, especially the bit where you said something nice about me
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December 14, 2014 at 11:27 pm -
Has ….
Moorov (Samuel) v HM Advocate (1930 J.C. 68, 1930 S.L.T. 596)
… gone out of fashion these day?
I remember Sandy Lyle being quite animated about that particular ‘doctrine’
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December 14, 2014 at 11:28 pm -
December 16, 2014 at 2:33 pm -
‘Sandy Lyle’? That should have been Ronnie Ireland…
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December 17, 2014 at 3:06 pm -
Re: “The toxic media culture of ‘Sex Sex Sex’ – all so clearly signposted in neon letters for those of us with our heads out of the sand on TV shows like ‘TOWIE’ and ‘Geordie Shore’ – places huge importance on hedonism and fun, and on fitting in. These young people aren’t thinking straight because their minds work now not by time-honed intuition but by specific instruction”
Totally agree, but it’s nothing new.
While there’s nothing wrong with having fun, drinking every now and then and having the occasional one night stand – to force it down people’s throats as if that’s the only way to have fun or that if they don’t necessarily always feel like doing that there’s something wrong with them is pathetic. This sort of nonsense has been going on for many many years though….
….everything in moderation (within reason), i’d say, there’s no merit in being ‘wild’ or ‘bad’ just for the sake of it, there’s no need for it. I do think fun is important though, but you can have that without behaving like a total degenerate all the time….
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December 17, 2014 at 3:25 pm -
That sounds eminently sensible, but the real problem lies in the cyclical British habit of providing some bunch of self appointed moral busybodies, SJWs who claim to represent some superior moral, religious, social or political persuasion, with the platform and power to forcibly ban some form of ‘fun’ every now and again, because they see it to be, in itself, degenerate
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December 17, 2014 at 3:59 pm -
Ho Hum,
Re: “That sounds eminently sensible, but the real problem lies in the cyclical British habit of providing some bunch of self appointed moral busybodies, SJWs who claim to represent some superior moral, religious, social or political persuasion, with the platform and power to forcibly ban some form of ‘fun’ every now and again, because they see it to be, in itself, degenerate”
I know it’s the degenerates in society that take things to far all the time that ruin things for ordinary people. E.g how drink prices have gone up so much lately because of compulsive binge drinkers etc, and it didn’t help that in the last decade or so constant binge drinking was portrayed in the media as normal behaviour, especially for young people.
There are always going to be people who have bad influences in their home lives etc, but the media e.g soaps, Jeremy Kyle etc make it 100 times worse. It wouldn’t surprise me if a lot of youngsters have actually felt ‘obliged’ to drink to excess, get into trouble etc, just because that’s the message they’ve had rammed down their throats, that’s what they’re supposed or even ‘expected’ to do.
You have far more fun if you can stay sober enough to be in control of your actions and actually remember the night imo.
There’s more enjoyable ways to spend your time than drinking to excess and getting into trouble with the law I think.
….But that doesn’t mean that drinking alcohol is wrong or ‘bad’, it’s they way some people think it’s ok to abuse it constantly that’s wrong…. :/
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December 17, 2014 at 6:31 pm -
Part of the point I was trying to make was that your definition of ‘degenerate’, as mentioned in general terms in your first comment, will not necessarily be so in the eyes of others, and as you alluded to, the part of the population that you include may not be anything like as ‘degenerate’ as those with some axe to grind, as aided and abetted by the media through the ignorance, fifth columnism, mercenary motives, or often just sheer spite, might try to make you believe.
And if I maybe possibly couldn’t trust you to determine the ‘degeneracy’ of others on my behalf, who can I? And hence we return to one of the main issues arising from the original post. The ascribing of criminality to those with whom you disagree on behavioural morality is the antithesis of the promotion of liberty and liberalism. As are the spineless politicians who allow this to happen by themselves becoming the shabby vote grubbing democratic dogs of today, as wagged by those making up the ever so not democratic tail
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December 18, 2014 at 4:14 pm -
Ho Hum,
Re: “And hence we return to one of the main issues arising from the original post. The ascribing of criminality to those with whom you disagree on behavioural morality is the antithesis of the promotion of liberty and liberalism. As are the spineless politicians who allow this to happen by themselves becoming the shabby vote grubbing democratic dogs of today, as wagged by those making up the ever so not democratic tail”
I see what you mean, by ‘degenerate’ I really meant people whose main object in life seems to be getting drunk and commiting violent crimes and see going to jail etc as some kind of ‘badge of honer’, chavs, this sort of lifestyle has been almost promoted in a way in tv shows like ‘Shameless’ and made to look almost normal in programmes like Jeremy Kyle, and some of the soaps (to an extent) etc.
The woman in the post aboves behaviour is up to her I suppose, but you wonder what her motivation for sleeping with so many of her work colleagues is, unless it’s just that she really likes them all….
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December 19, 2014 at 10:27 pm -
Hello, is that the call centre? Yes, Are You Being Served? Press 1 for Gonorrhea, 2 for Syphilis or 3 for Colonel Fortescue-Smithers.
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