The Barrister's Nostrum.
The Lord High Chancellor of Great Britain knows a thing or two about the law. Whilst other Minster’s were gaily ‘troughing’ to the fury of tax payers forced to fund their excesses, he managed to skate elegantly round the rules and prove that having a constituency home within 17 miles of parliament, not to mention a couple of buy-to-let apartments, was no reason for the tax payer not to legitimately fund yet another home in Pimlico for those essential late nights at the bar.
Not that sort of bar, for Chris Grayling – it is he – is not a barrister, nor a solicitor; heavens, nor even took a law degree. He was a BBC producer with a mediocre history degree. The ideal qualification to sit in judgment on our historic judicial system? The Prime Minister obviously thought so – and why not? We’ve had vegetarian ministers in charge of our meat industry before now, and look how well that worked.
Grayling has been in office for 18 months – and what have we here? Barristers going on strike for the first time since the fifteenth century? For the first time ever, in their entire history? The disastrous Derry Irvine as Lord Chancellor didn’t manage to lodge himself quite so effectively in the collective legal nostril (not for want of trying). Grayling has done it by displaying a quack ignorance of the way in which the Criminal Bar operates. A nostrum up the legal nostril, you might say.
Grayling was asked by the Treasury to cut the Ministry of Justice budget by 1%. That amounted to £142 million. The man who had already switched parties to ensure his speedy progress up the political ladder responded by offering to cut £220 million. Has any other Minister volunteered to cut 50% more than he was asked to?
The Ministry of Justice has a wide remit. It had a budget of some £9 billion. It covers everything from the Crown Prosecution Service’s expensive pursuit of elderly comedians and disc jockeys, through paying for wheelchair access to ageing prison stock, to paying the lowly rates of legal aid barristers who defend those on the wrong end of the CPS’s charging decisions. It is that last item which has enraged the Barristers.
Whilst the popular image of the legal profession is one honed by TV productions portraying claret-fuelled glossy ‘silks’ who live in Georgian mansions, and media stories of ‘million pound a year QCs‘ – it might surprise you to learn that many legal aid barristers are eligible for Income Support, and that one of the few categories of individuals who will be eligible for ‘legal aid’ in the future would be two junior barristers sharing the same household, married to each other or not.
Nobody goes into the ‘legal aid’ end of the Criminal Bar for the money. They do it because they honestly believe that somebody has to be prepared to pay their own travel expenses to arrive at a far flung Crown Court and say something on behalf of an individual that the Ministry of Justice is funding the CPS to persecute prosecute with the aid of an £570 an hour senior counsel. Initial hearings in a Magistrates Court will attract the magnificent sum of £80 – from which the barrister on legal aid rates must pay his own expenses to get there. If for any reason the case is delayed, or ‘a wasted attendance’ in MOJ parlance, they propose to reimburse the legal aid ‘fat cat’ all of £48.
You couldn’t get a humble history graduate with a mediocre degree to work for £48 a day, you certainly wouldn’t find a BBC Producer or Member of Parliament agreeing to do so – in fact it would be illegal. It has been amusingly pointed out that a Barista, those jockeys of the Gaggia machines, has to be paid £50.56 a day – by law.
Iain Morley QC said the Government had been misleading the public about the state of barristers’ finances to such an extent that it could be argued Mr Grayling was furthering his career by making allegedly false statements in contravention of section 2 of the Fraud Act 2006.
The Ministry of Justice has already saved itself the cost of reimbursing your ‘reasonable legal expenses’ should its prosecution of you prove to have been ill-founded – something that has rightfully been described as a ‘tax on innocence’.
Now it wants to drive legal aid criminal law barristers out of business, so that the only people who can afford to defend their reputation are the exceedingly wealthy, those who have disposable assets in excess of £250,000.
The justification for this is said to be the ‘high cost’ of legal aid. Part of the reason for the ‘high cost’ of legal aid is the sheer number of new ways in which you might find yourself in the dock thus requiring the services of a barrister.
If the parliamentarians stopped tinkering with the law – 327 new criminal offences created between 2011 and 2012 alone – a 12% increase on the previous year, then they would be doing something far more productive to cut costs in the Ministry of Justice than bankrupting junior barristers.
- John Doran
February 16, 2014 at 12:23 pm -
My God, how far decency, democracy & Justice has fallen in this poor benighted land.
Rumpole would not have been amused.
- Eric
February 16, 2014 at 12:33 pm -
Here’s a simple idea.
How about tying the defence costs reclaimable to the prosecution costs ? So if the prosecution wants expensive lawyers, then the defence has a similar right, but they can’t claim LA for expensive lawyers to fight a parking ticket ?
- Carol42
February 16, 2014 at 6:31 pm -
Far too sensible to be taken up, at one time you knew what a crime was now you can commit one without even knowing it is a crime, most of it seems to be making money for councils. A few years ago I paid for a barrister for my son who was accused of an assault that never happened. Not one of the ‘witnesses’ turned up and the case was dismissed with the judge querying why it was brought over a totally non violent argument, I didn’t know that could be considered an assault but it seems it can if you swear! This was in the afternoon, stroppy staff and my son in a hurry to catch a train. Only ‘witnesses’ were colleagues but in the end I think they were unwilling to commit perjury, 3 withdrew and the original complainant failed to appear. I did get the money back ok less about £100 admin. What bothered me was my son was married with two very young children has always worked and this could have cost him everything, his job and home if he had been found guilty and with 4 to 1 that could easily have happened. He had already walked away when one called the police, a consolation was he was asked to give a report to the head of the railway police, I gather they were not too pleased! What would have happened if I did not have the money to pay I wonder?
- Carol42
- expofunction
February 16, 2014 at 12:42 pm -
Isn’t this ‘policy’ in danger of infringing the Article 6 right to a fair trial? If the state has to fund the legal representation for both sides, does natural justice not dictate that must be done equitably? What’s good for the goose ..
- WorldViews
February 16, 2014 at 1:01 pm -
Where is Anna’s great Magna Carta/Duncroft thread, a true clean gem of truth. Now Fascist Fraud-Market flushed away, with their other rising floods of filth?
BRING BACK ANNA’s MAGNA CARTA !
- WorldViews
February 16, 2014 at 2:03 pm -
Yes, o Great Hostess-Blogess.
But, it’s NOT on the current menu:
Recent Posts:
The Barrister’s Nostrum.
Parish Notice.
Spare a thought today…
Quack, Quack, Oops….!
Super Star – Freddie Starr. - Mick Anderson
February 16, 2014 at 2:43 pm -
“327 new criminal offences created between 2011 and 2012 alone”
I’m not sure I could name one of them!
It is claimed that TV licence prosecutions account for up to 12% of Magistrates time. I wonder how much of the £220M could have been saved by simply abolishing the TV license.
Equally, there would have been more savings (instead of inevitable extra expense) if they had decided to abolish VED instead of just mucking about with it.
- drsolly
February 16, 2014 at 2:46 pm -
Nevertheless, I find it really difficult to scrape together any sympathy for the poor lawyers.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 16, 2014 at 3:47 pm -
Interesting. The more the laws proliferate, the more we need lawyers. Once upon a time we would have said it’s obvious who benefits from this: the lawyers. But now we find this great opening up only results in more and more limitations. The best justice money can buy, eh?
- Mudplugger
February 16, 2014 at 4:02 pm -
And yet …….. a mega-rich (alleged) crook like Asil Nadir (and others) can manage to get Legal Aid to fight their dubious defence cases with briefs way, way above Minimum Wage level, or any wage-level most of us have ever had.
That’s the part of Legal Aid abuse which should be chopped, to the bone and beyond. - The Blocked Dwarf
February 16, 2014 at 4:43 pm -
Last Court I attended I stood outside with the rest of the Legion Of The Damned (ie smokers) having a smoke. Tell me what you smoke and I’ll tell you what side of the courtroom you stand on. The Prosecuting Council smoked UK Duty Paid Silk Cut, the On-Benefits-Defendant was smoking EU Duty Paid No Name straights from Spain , the security guards were smoking EU Duty Paid GV and the poor old defense Brief was on UK Duty Paid Cutters Choice of Emphysema-the mini Pack 9 gramme pack!
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 16, 2014 at 5:01 pm -
This is one of the best comments I have read on this blog. (No disrespect to any other commentator, from whom I have learned a great deal, especially as regards Environmental Agencies and basic civil engineering).
If you reflect upon this comment, you’ll realise the commentator speaks for the Ages.
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Antisthenes
February 16, 2014 at 6:46 pm -
I was rather surprised to read that you say that lawyers do not go into legal aid for the money as that is far and away from my own experience having been in litigation once funded by legal aid and once by my own private means. In the legally aided case the solicitor and barrister pocketed in excess of £100,000 it in fact saved the solicitors financial bacon as he had been relieved of a large part of his wealth by a previous aggrieved client. In my privately funded one when I queried the costs with the accounts clerk he stated to me “why should you worry how high the cost was as it is legally aided. When I pointed it out that is was not legally aided he became rather red faced slunk away and left it to others to deny he ever said any such thing and to justify the cost.
- Antisthenes
February 16, 2014 at 7:43 pm -
My cases were not criminal but commercial and I was the plaintive in both which I won. My knowledge of legal aid for criminal and other non commercial related cases is minimal. So rather red faced I slink away as I appear to have been barking up the wrong tree.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 16, 2014 at 8:55 pm -
@ Anthishenses. There’s no problem with commercial law. When it come down to money, there are plenty of recourses. Nothing like money at stake to bring matters down to the bone. Who gets a pot and doesn’t? There are no witch-hunts when it comes to money. There are long complicated drawn-out actions, which enrich or empoverish certain individuals.
Criminal law is something else. What do we decide as a society we won’t tolerate? Who gets banged up, who gets hanged (as in the past), who is utterly beyond all human help? Do you know all that teachers have to submit 3 forms of identification before obtaining a job in a school to be cleared to teach children? It’s called the Criminal Record Bureau Check Did you ever have to be cleared by the Police in order to obtain a job? I bet not.
- Mudplugger
February 16, 2014 at 9:33 pm -
On occasions, some of us had to be cleared by the security services, part of which involved a 10-page questionnaire going back two generations, and one line of which was, “Are you, or have you ever been, involved in any terrorist organisation?”. Can’t imagine anyone facing that scrutiny would possible answer “Yes”. But I suppose it would save a lot of time.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 16, 2014 at 10:13 pm -
Mudpluugger: sorry, we’re not talking about “on occasion.” Or for the Defence of the Realm. We are talking about all teachers presneitng (a) a birth certicate (b) a driver’s licence and (c) a utilities bill or mortgage document in order t got through a CRB check and obtain employment.
Did you ever have to do that in order to get a job?
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Jonathan Mason
February 16, 2014 at 10:23 pm -
Probably pretty routine these days. To work for the Department of Children and Families in Florida, you have to be fingerprinted and undergo a background check by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, or if you come from another state, then an FBI background check. The thing is you don’t want people with histories of sex or drug offenses working with children or in other sensitive areas like policing or prison work.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 16, 2014 at 10:39 pm -
Any how many of them do you think they are?
Really?
Is that we have to be scared of? I don’t know about Florida, but in the UK and the rest of Europe, people who have spent some years of their lives (and some of their own money) earning educational qualifications didn’t do it in order to be finger-printed, background-checked, and profiled.
Really, they would have been much better off as State Security Agents. Who keep us all safe. Once you’ve gone back back to the second generation, you know there;s no problem,
Did anyone require you to produce proof you weren’t a pervert, when you applied for a job?
- Mudplugger
February 17, 2014 at 9:05 am -
In practice, you usually can’t prove a negative, which is where all these systems will always fall down. The only reveal something which is already known and I suspect that most ‘perverts’ (whatever a pervert is) have not formally registered that fact by being convicted, hence the systems’ failure is guaranteed.
However, we have to realise that the CRB systems etc. are not about protecting children, they are really about protecting the authorities. By proving that they have a procedure in place, and by slavishly following that procedure, their corporate arses are suitably covered whenever one of their recruits proves to have unconventional sexual urges. This is only ever designed to address future claims from victims (and their lawyers) and to defend the jobs/pensions of the bureaucrats involved – it makes no difference to the children, never has, never will.
But in a parallel profession, if I want to drive a bus or a truck, there’s a procedure I must follow, I’ve got to train and pass a specific test (at significant cost), then undergo regular (paid-for) medicals throughout my working life. This is no different from those who choose to teach – it’s part of the standard process. If you don’t like the process, get another job. (But beware, the bus & truck tests are really tricky – not for the faint-hearted.)
- rabbitaway
February 17, 2014 at 11:03 am -
Excellent point Sir !
- rabbitaway
- Paul
February 17, 2014 at 12:31 pm -
Teachers! Did you know that even cricket umpires (and other sports) in amateur leagues have to be CRB checked? Three forms of ID yes, various other questions. Dammit, even the cricket tea-ladies now have to be CRB checked. Without this – children might be abused! It doesn’t matter if the up and coming 14 year old goes out to bat against the opposition fast bowling pro (neither should it matter btw) and gets his block knocked off. What’s important is to check the tea ladies aren’t nonces. And of course, anyone who then questions this imposition (and veiled accusation) is then seen to have something to hide.
- Jonathan Mason
February 17, 2014 at 1:33 pm -
Few teachers are sexual predators, but that does not mean that sexual predators will not try to get jobs close to children. Ian Huntley is an infamous example who fell through the cracks in the background checking system, but that does not mean that others like him were not discouraged from applying for jobs close to children, or excluded from hiring. OK, he was not a teacher, but where do you draw the line? Certainly in the 1960’s when I were a lad, England’s unregulated “prep” schools were full of perverts and sadists employed as teachers. Sometimes these men were relatives of the owners of the school who had been hired via the back door.
- Ian Reid
February 17, 2014 at 3:44 pm -
There are at least two very undesiteable side-effects of this mania of records checking. Firstly it effectively nationalises the process of inter generational relations, you are no longer allowed to decide yourself who has access to your children, it is in the hands of the state, it is no longer based on trust. This has a corrosive effect on social relations as everyone who has not been checked is considered a criminal, and people, particularly men are afraid to interract with children for fear ofbeing labelled as paedophiles. Secondly it has undoubtedly ruined the lives of many people who have been wrongly accused. I’m of the opinion it has done as much, if not more, harm than good.
- Jonathan Mason
February 17, 2014 at 5:19 pm -
People who have not been checked are considered criminals by whom? The checking nearly always relates to people seeking paid employment or taking part in voluntary organized activities like scouting or choir practice. There is also the issue of children traveling alone not being seated next to unrelated men on airplanes, that probably comes up very rarely, but causes some annoyance, especially when an older father is mistaken for a stranger by cabin staff. However since I am 62 and white and my step daughter is 5 and black, I can see how this might happen–though usually an explanation will suffice.
I quite often interact informally with children, for example in supermarkets, being interested seeing as how I have two of my own of 16 months and five years. I don’t have any particular fear of getting into “trouble”. Now, I am background-checked by the State of Florida, but who knows that in the supermarket?
It is a historical fact that thousands of children have been sexually abused by priests, schoolmasters, and scoutmasters and while background checking is probably not 100% effective, it probably deters or prevents some sexual predators from taking unsuitable employment.
- Mudplugger
February 17, 2014 at 8:08 pm -
And 80%+ of child sexual abuse occurs within the family, yet you and your immediate clan don’t need to be CRB checked before having children – if they were serious about it, maybe you should be?
- Ian Reid
- Mudplugger
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Mudplugger
- Jim Bates
February 17, 2014 at 2:14 am -
Hi all, still lurking amongst the legion of the damned.
A little late Anna but absolutely delighted to see you back. Quite apart from all the well deserved plaudits, you should be aware of just what an inspiration you are to others ploughing a lonely and sometimes painful furrow in this benighted land.
On topic now – several hundred people ‘investigated/arrested’ during the ORE saga were NFA’d and never charged. The Crown subsequently admitted that their credit cards had been stolen. Nevertheless, their names are on the ORE list and this bare fact is shown on a CRB report. Subsequent job applications have been denied for being arrested on suspicion of accessing indecent image of children during Operation ORE (i.e. committing the ‘crime’ of having your CC stolen).
Also, is anyone else aware that pressure may be brought against a Barrister if they choose to defend someone deemed by the CPS as undesirable? (eg: if you defend him you’ll get no more prosecution work.)
- Morris
February 17, 2014 at 7:44 am -
Interesting that you mention Ore. In Australia the operation of the same huge bust was called Auxin ( and resulted in several suicides within 2 weeks after a furious media campaign). The then authorities and the media called for backdated penalties as the most at the time was 2 years.
So infuriated were the legal fraternity that numerous barristers came forward to either work for a cut rate fee or in some case gratis.
- Morris
- Crabsclaw
February 17, 2014 at 8:52 am -
A very interesting article .In the early 8Os A Barrister called Nigel Ley ( who now seems to have left ,or possibly fled , the country – although there is another gentleman with a similar name but who is not the one I am referring to was single handed responsible for a whole ream of cases which changed the rules for medical negligence cases.He was a very clever chappie .He lived in a humble apartment in Manchester He couldn’t afford a car and he didn’t eat in fancy restaurants – in fact he struggled to pay for a “treat” at McDonalds . Like all the ministers in The current “government” Grayling is on a mission to cut costs to save a handful of non taxpaying idiots who managed single handedly to bring the UK to the threshold of bankruptcy . I hope the electorate will demonstrate its displeasure with the “government “at the next opening of the ballot box but I fear than the damage to and destruction of the fabric of our society will take decades to repair and replenish
- bill40
February 17, 2014 at 10:26 am -
The thing that alarms me most about 327 new laws is how many can any one person name? Ignorance of the law is no defence, but really, this is getting ridiculous. It’s fast getting to the point you can’t walk out your front door without breaking one law or another.
- Fat Steve
February 17, 2014 at 2:07 pm -
@bill40 — 327 new laws ? how many can any person name? Probably very very few —-and therein I perceive much of what Anna’s blog is about. Go back say 40/50 years and whether one liked the era or not there was a shared culture or a shared morality slowly developed over many years that most could identify with to a sufficient degree to avoid entanglement with the legak system —a huge amount wrong with it and much that needed changing —that part of Anna’s childhood which she has shared on her blog was that era at its worst though also from what she has had to say about Mrs Jones (the head at Duncroft) at its best. But I am not sure one can successfully change a culture with a mass of laws or television (with soaps being the modern day equivalent of morality plays) or the present education system which trains but does not educate –one tends to end up with a spawling mass of legislation —an oppressive society with everyone watching everyone else and seeking only to comply with the requirements of the ‘state’ who have a blueprint for utopia —-it matters not that that vision of utopia is not a shared vision and so people have difficulty in knowing the law and complying with it—-what matters is the interpretation of the law by those with a personal vested interest in it be it employment or a political agenda. Its just cost my wife and I £25,000 to successfully see off a criminal prosecution from the County Coucil for ‘flytipping’ —-the fact that the ‘offence’ was to excavate (pursuant to planning permission granted) in an area of land owned by my wife and then moving it to be landscaped into an area of land also owned by her some 50 meters away (that didn’t alter the contours) didn’t mean there might not have been an offence in law that could have been prosecuted.Oh and the fact that directives at Local, National and European level stating that excavated material should remain on site had nothing to do with the fact that the prosecutionwas embarked upon Of course such a prosecution keeps the County Council busy at a time of redundancy in the civil service and allowed our ‘Brief ‘ and our Solicitor to screw a well earned £10,000 each but has that stopped the lorries fly tipping at night? Will the Roache and DLT cases stop child abuse? My guess is it just makes people look at how the law is drafted and enforced and if they are so minded carry on abusing when changing the culture by means other than law might be more effective. It will I suspect all result in loads of ‘law’ which destroys (if it hasn’t already done so) a Society by splitting it into various self righteous interest groups with their own axes to grind rather than something that holds it together.
- Fat Steve
- Atticus Flinch
February 17, 2014 at 1:47 pm -
As a practicing barrister, I can say that the government is doing its best in all areas to prevent people having their cases heard properly. Criminal lawyers are not paid a great deal unless – I am theorizing here – they are involved in prosecuting “high profile” cases where geriatric celebs are accused of groping someone at a party in 1967. I wonder what the fee for the recent DLT case will be? I can think of at least one case where the defendant stood accused of a very serious offence – once again, “historic sex abuse allegations – never got to meet his barrister and at the last minute his barrister was double booked anyway and he got a new one. He also go 20 years, which is not much fun if you are in ill health and 67. Would you like to face such allegations with a “brief” who had three days (maybe) to prepare? But then, it’s not a high profile “celeb” case, and he was just an ordinary man with no resources. Bad enough for DLT who had to sell up to get a decent defence team – disaster for him.
Meanwhile, the Civil Courts have had legal aid mostly cut – sometimes justifiably, because the system was being abused, and sometimes not. The Powers that Be have issued in a new regime (“the Jackson Reforms”) with the stated aim of controlling costs and abuse of court time. What that actually means is _ we don’t want to pay for enough judges or court staff, so really we don’t want to hear your cases at all, Joe Public. But Oligarchs are welcome to come and play charades (at great expense). That is a good little earner for some, and helps the balance of payments, dont you know.
I can promise that I and many others who are just trying to do a fair and decent job are really struggling right now. Hey ho…! - Eagle Eye
March 29, 2014 at 11:07 am -
To get a handle on the real nature of the rort that is the English legal system, take a look at this:
netk.net.au/whittonhome.asp
One hell of a read. The system cannot be fixed, except by replacement with one that seeks truth instead of fees
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