Ruination Street.
‘Tis supposed to be long term financial security for an actor to land a role in an established soap opera – but ‘it’s been the ruin of many a poor boy’ as the Animals once sung.
Peter Adamson was the first to experience the strange confluence of a part in ‘Coronation Street’ leading to a starring role as ‘depraved paedophile’ in the dock of the local crown court. Peter spent his time off-set as a swimming pool instructor. Obviously a paedophile then. Next best thing to a Scout Master eh? There has to be something suspicious about a man who spends time teaching children to swim, time that could be usefully employed, I don’t know, watching football?
The local police in Haslingden sent two young constables down to the swimming pool to observe Peter at work. I wasn’t aware until this morning that what they actually observed was not Peter’s hands inside a child’s swimming costume – but his thumbs, to the depths of his finger nails. Another officer gave evidence to say that what she had observed ‘she would have considered normal behaviour had she observed it on holiday’. She didn’t observe it on holiday – she observed it having been sent specifically to record any activity that might be considered suspicious. Thus the fact that he seemed to be leaving the boys to their own devices and concentrating on helping a little girl to swim became ‘suspicious’.
If you had asked me yesterday about Peter Adamson, I should have said ‘alcoholic, hanging round the changing rooms at local swimming pool and caught interfering with young girls, fired from Coronation Street’ – that was what I had absorbed from the tabloids over the years. I was also under the impression that Adamson had ‘admitted all’ in an interview with a journalist after being acquitted at Burnley Crown Court; acquitted purely because he could afford to hire a ‘top libel lawyer’. George Carmen QC.
Let us take the George Carmen point first. In 1983, Carmen wasn’t a ‘top libel lawyer’, he was first and foremost a busy criminal lawyer. A most successful one – and the prosecuting counsel appears to be no less colourful, so a wise choice for Adamson. Prosecuting counsel was John Jackson. There is only one serious contender for the role of John Jackson barrister in 1983 – and that is the man ‘best known as bookmaker Johnny Edgar’. All credit to Jackson for using his turf winnings to finance a law degree and new career as barrister. He was a colourful character, later to take over Burnley football club as chairman. A street fighter. It is your solicitor’s role to appoint a barrister best equipped to match the counsel put forward by the prosecution. Regardless of whether Adamson ‘could afford’ Carmen or not, back in 1983, there was legal aid available to ensure that you could match the skill set prosecuting you.
Then the ‘hanging around the changing rooms’. He wasn’t. Adamson was in the pool, it was ‘fun hour’ – a time for the children to let off steam. He was throwing the children onto an inflatable raft – and pushing them back into place if they slipped off. Not lurking round the changing rooms preying on young girls. He freely admitted in court that in the excitement it was entirely possible that his thumb was inside a swimming costume ‘ up to the fingernail’ – but never with sexual intent. This last sentence was later repeated to a journalist – who turned that into the tabloid tale of how Adamson had ‘admitted all’ despite being acquitted. He continued to dig his way into a bigger hole up until his death in 2002.
Despite all the lurid headlines, and a ‘street fighter’ of a prosecuting counsel, the wafer thin evidence that this was a sexual assault, did not hold sway with the jury. The prosecuting ‘Crown’ came second, which isn’t an honourable position in a two horse race.
The authorities regrouped, and came back with charges against another Coronation Street star; Andrew Watkinson or Frank Foster, ‘Underworld’s Boss’ to those who cannot distinguish between on-screen and off screen identities. He was also accused of indecent assault against under age children – boys this time. The prosecution’s case was starting to sound more familiar to contemporary ears by now – he ‘used his fame to groom’, and it was no longer behaviour witnessed by a police officer, but the ‘alleged victims’ were being produced to give evidence. Another Coronation Street star was having to dig deep into his pocket to defend himself and afford a barrister who could match the top rate legal team employed by the Crown. They are extremely well paid – you need to pay as much if not more to match their skill set. These are not legal aid rates.
Despite Miss Whittlestone’s undoubted ability, being sent in to bat with a 15 year old ‘witness’ as support who ‘thinks’ that Andrew Watkinson ‘might have’ propositioned him, but ‘couldn’t remember’ whether that was the reason they fell out, is not helpful. Nor is it the sort of evidence that a jury expects to hear when a trial has been billed as one of ‘paedophilia’. The jury took just 29 minutes to decide that Andrew Wilkinson was NOT guilty.
The Judge was at pains to point out that ‘The defendant was acquitted on the evidence, and rightly so, but it is important that the complainant, who is clearly scarred by an experience, should understand that the jury verdict does not necessarily involve rejection of his account of a sexual encounter or encounters with the defendant. It is a statement that the prosecution have failed to make the jury sure that abuse of the type alleged occurred during the period covered by the indictment and, in particular, before the complainant’s 16th birthday, now more than 18 years ago.’
This statement has been taken by the tabloids to mean merely that being ‘found not guilty doesn’t mean that the alleged victim was lying’. It has given rise to a new meme #Ibelieveher.
It is not known how long it has/or will take Andrew to pay for his innocent status. Another resident of Ruination Street.
The Crown were less than comfortable to find themselves panting into second place once more. That was not how it was supposed to work – after all, they had unlimited funds to pay for the finest legal advice. The goal posts were moved slightly, the turf scuffed up a little.
‘Henceforth, Coronation Street stars, we shall have the finest legal teams, and you, you miserable acting creatures, you won’t get your costs refunded even if the jury let you off’.’
Thus it was that they sallied forth, headed by a new breed of QC. Top flight female silks. Young ones. Surely they could nail the Coronation Street stars?
Eleanor Laws was pitted against Michael Le Vell. She was armed only with the confused words of the main witness. The CPS now was of the opinion that an allegation should be sufficient to secure a conviction. No more police witnesses, no more corroboratory friends ‘who might have been propositioned’, all this was just confusing juries.
Le Vell responded with Alisdair Williamson at a reputed cost of £200,000. Money that he would never see again, regardless of the outcome of the case. You may think it was money well spent since it secured his freedom – but it would have cost him exactly the same had Alisdair Williamson not adequately pointed out the gaping holes in the prosecutions case. It isn’t the ‘price of freedom’ – it is the price of standing up to the intimidation of the charges.
Tsk! Not guilty. The Crown was runner-up again. Juries don’t have the same grasp of ideology that appears to be driving the CPS. They continue to back the common-sense horse.
Behind the scenes there has been ‘acrimony’ after the CPS’s North-west chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal’s decision to drop the case against Mr Le Vell two years ago due to lack of evidence was overturned by London-based QC Alison Levitt.
Ms Levitt concluded there was sufficient evidence for a realistic prospect of conviction and that the earlier decision not to prosecute should be overturned.
Privately Mr Afzal is said to be ‘comfortable’ with his initial handling of the matter. A CPS insider said: ‘We were left defending an unsuccessful prosecution that Nazir Afzal never wanted to pursue. He’s happy with the position he took back in 2011.’
So, the CPS aimed their guns at Bill Roache. Or Ken Barlow for the reality challenged. Bill had one slight advantage – he was technically bankrupt, so could avail himself of legal aid. Legal Aid buys you a £50 an hour barrister. No disrespect to £50 an hour barristers – they no doubt do a sterling job if your mortgage company is trying to repossess your house – but is that really the level of experience and expertise you want when the CPS have hired the glossy silk known as Anne Whyte QC? This is now the 4th bite at the Coronation Street cherry that they have taken and one would imagine that they are a little peeved to keep failing so miserably.
Yet again, ever the bridesmaid, never the bride, the CPS couldn’t secure a conviction.
I would be surprised if Bill Roache has managed to take the Ruination Street exit without passing the £200,000 square.
Within hours they were announcing that ‘if only’ that Neville Buswell wasn’t in the USA, ‘they’d ‘ave that Ray Langton, yeah! 12 year old girls, dirty beast….’
Has anybody ever managed to calculate the total amount of money over the past 30 years that has passed from Coronation Street stars to their Lawyers when they’ve had the finger of shame pointed at them by the combined forces of the CPS and the media?
Or what it could buy in terms of effective child protection for the poor little blighters abused by real paedophiles?
- Joe Public
February 10, 2014 at 12:41 pm -
Superb, Anna.
- JuliaM
February 10, 2014 at 6:47 pm -
Seconded!
- JuliaM
- Ian B
February 10, 2014 at 12:47 pm -
Or what it could buy in terms of effective child protection for the poor little blighters abused by real paedophiles.
Are there any? Do they actually exist at all? They seem to be much like a great monstrous creature that lives in the woods outside a village. Everyone has heard of it. Everyone can tell you how it looks, and what it eats, and the special sound of its roar, and if you hear that sound you must run just as fast as you can! But nobody has actually seen it. Except one little girl called Karin, and she was such a terrible fibber…
- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 12:56 pm -
I never realised Len was fingered by the cops!! Brilliant research m’lady. This would be the same time the same cops were banging men up for standing next to one another in the public bogs would it not?
Len Fairclough was eventually sacked by itv because he sold his story after his acquittal, to the Sunday tabloids, so ’tis said. In a TV Times of the Sixties he recounted how complete strangers would shout at him in the street because of the way he was behaving towards Elsie Tanner at the time, so the reality of the fictional for the telly audience is nowt new. Kevin Webster’s role, seducing girls young enough to be his daughter, probably had as much to do with his case as owt else too, I imagine.
- Carol42
February 10, 2014 at 12:56 pm -
I had forgotten about the older cases of Coronation Street, wonder what they have against it? They might have better luck picking on a less popular programme to persecute !
- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 1:49 pm -
I recall Leslie Grantham’s being a murderer was “hidden” by the BBC when he became a popular Eastender. A clear case of the BBC hiding someone in plain sight I suppose.
Once exposed by the “lurid tabloids ” liberatti clustered protectively around him, defending his human rights to be a reformed character and his having killed someone was not such a big deal.
But after he got his tadger out on the internet, he’s been vanished without trace. Sex is much worse than death it seems.
- Moor Larkin
- GildasTheMonk
February 10, 2014 at 1:12 pm -
It does seem to be a strange pattern. Could it possibly be that the CPS love a good story in the papers and the anticipated glory that might go with it, whilst cutting back left and right on other matters? Interestingly, word has reached my ears from “sources” that the CPS has a habit of not prosecuting complicated cases, even involving serious matters, unless they are very high profile. The reason being that (a) that involved hard work and (b) it might reduce the government imposed targets for success.
Justice isn’t blind, it is highly selective….- Tom
February 10, 2014 at 1:37 pm -
You have nailed it. There’s no glamour in being a lawyer too crap to make money in private practice. So why not get some vicarious glamour by targeting the famous?
- Tom
- Ed P
February 10, 2014 at 1:48 pm -
CPS = Coronation Paedo Street.
It’s a crap time to be a man – perhaps time for a change? (I mean, who ever heard of a female paedophile?)
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 10, 2014 at 1:54 pm -
Uhm I think Anna herself mentioned that there are currently 84 ‘ladies’ banged up at Her Majesties for Kiddy Fiddling. It’s rare , grant you, but there are probably more paedophilettes than the MSM would like to admit.
- sally stevens
February 10, 2014 at 6:25 pm -
The first time I heard of a grown-up interfering with a child, it was an employee (a woman) at my first all girls boarding school. I was about 6 or 7. I went to the headmistresses and complained on behalf of my friend, who was too scared to go to them herself.
- sally stevens
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ho Hum
February 10, 2014 at 1:53 pm -
The curse gets them even before they walk on the hallowed cobbles, if the experience of Craig Charles is anything to go by
- Fat Steve
February 10, 2014 at 1:57 pm -
As always Anna on the button …..but….but…but its not just the Prosecutors who treat a crimal trial as something of a blood sport …..its the Defence as well …..all legit ‘tactics’ as the judge was quick to point out in the Andrade case …..the crimal law was once described as a middle class game played with working class pawns …..hey need to make it into something with ‘real’ meaning ??? you know its not about the game its about people.right?….real people right?…you know like Premier league football, the X factor right? …..so law as a branch of infotainment ???….easy substitute a celeb for the working class pawn ….et Voila ….errrrr Reality….right???
- Eddy
February 10, 2014 at 1:57 pm -
‘The actor, 48, fell victim to changes in Ministry of Justice rules which removed the right of defendants to have the “reasonable” costs of hiring a lawyer reimbursed if found not guilty.’
Anyone know when the rules were changed? - Smoking Hot
February 10, 2014 at 3:10 pm -
Blondie (Debbie Harry) sexually molested me … well, l think she did … or is that l wished she did? lt all gets so confusing … it was 40 years ago so it’s hard to remember the details, what with the free flowing drugs of the era … and the alcohol. She has to be guilty … she was the face that launched thousands of orgasms. These salient (or is that ‘salem’ient?) points should be more than enough to get the police and CPS involved.
- Backwoodsman
February 10, 2014 at 3:34 pm -
Surprised plod never had that Harry Corbett up before the beak. They’d have had him bang to rights, whole hand in there, not just a thumbnail.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 3:46 pm -
What I find so strange about the current panic is that it doesn’t centre round playschools, creches, or even children’s homes/boarding schools like earlier witch hunts. The locus of criminality is TV studios (!) Or possibly the National Theatre as a nut called Ben Needham tried to make out, but that one didn’t really fly, probably because most people have seen far more telly dramas than the have stage plays, and stage actors are only famous if they are also on the box. How the heck did this happen?
I read Andrew O’Hagan’s much-admired little stroll down memory lane in the LRB when he resurrected some utterly forgotten closet cases 50s radio and made out the Beeb had always been a haven for paedophile rings. Judging from his examples, I thought it was more “Julian and Sandy” than the secret history of organised child abuse on BBC premises. How he got away with this silly piece of linkage, I have no idea. I guess the readers of the LRB don’t actually read too good. And that’s the chap who wrote a daft novelisation of the tragic life of Lena Zavaroni and never once thought of slipping in a bit of casting couch trauma. Missed a trick, there Andrew.
Anyway back to my muttons. Why TV personalities? I’ve come to the conclusion that Guy Debord was on to something: we’re living in the society of the spectacle. And what better actors for this hollow little pseudo-event than the ready-made cast we have in front of us – soap actors, disc jockeys, chat show hosts? The ones we’re all familiar with? The ones we shout at in the street for cheating on their telly partners?
Eliot was right: mankind cannot bear too much reality. And we don’t the reality of real child abuse. We want the mediated version served up by way of Good Old Corrie.- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 4:56 pm -
@eyes Wide Shut
You’re forgetting all male boarding schools. Old teachers have been getting imprisoned for over 20 years on the objectively uncorroborated testimony of two or more their old boys, who are indeed now older too. One recently convicted 80+ year-old threw himself off a train just yesterday.
http://ukcriminallawblog.com/2014/02/09/former-teacher-at-nick-cleggs-school-dies-hours-before-sentenced-for-sex-offences/
This Media circus is just another symptom of a sick legal system.
- Moor Larkin
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 5:16 pm -
Well, yes, but we’ve seen this before. In the 80s, 90s and Noughties. In a way, it’s logical: that’s where the kids are, so that’s where you wuld expect to find the kiddie-abusers. If you want to find an alcoholic – go to an offie.
The issue of uncorroborated evidence is at the heart of it, of course. Hashtag justice: “IbelieveAbigailWilliams” as they might have twitted in Salem if they’d had twatter.
But – soap stars? How did this happen? Seriously. I want to know.
Curisulsy, enough because they are famous, more people might actually ask themselves “Is there any fire behind this smoke”? They won’t if it’s some local Crown Court case which only gets reported in the local rag.
- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 5:22 pm -
It’s not *just* soap stars. It’s celebrities. It’s famous people
Nobody could concoct corroborative stories about me coz they don’t know who the hell I am, but Jim Davidson? He’s easy to try and nick-nick. Lawyers are at the back of all of it, piggy-backing their civil compensation claims onto the corrupted “requirements of proof” extant in the criminal law system. One thing this celeb-scandal has done is expose what a vile thing this area of UK Law has become.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 5:36 pm -
Oh, I don’t doubt that bounty-hunters are driving this current imbroglio, and that is an interesting development. Earlier panics (Rochdale/Orkney) seemed to come about a s result of social services losing the run of themselves and getting swept up in the tid eof hysteria rolling over the Atlantic, on foot of the MacMartin Playschool Case. Or that is my memory of it. The present cases seem to emanate from the private sector, so to speak, although they have been greatly enabled by the credulity of the Metropolitan Police. (As an aside: the latter have been in so much trouble lately, I can see how attractive the Great Savile Snark Hunt would be to them).
But why this kind of celebrity? Off the top of my head, I would say Mick Jagger or Paul McCartney could be just as vulnerable to accusations of “improper behaviour” with groupies in the 60s.
The Corrie cases were criminal prosecutions, not civil actions. What are the CPS up to? They keep on losing. When is it going to dawn on them that they are throwng good money after bad?
BTW, Moor, if someone did want to lie about you, they could, you know. Maybe not as regards child sex offences, but something else. Has it never happened at work?
- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 5:46 pm -
The cops will not take any action unless someone makes a complaint. In that sense they are honest brokers. First they went for the dead and they seemed to be winning hands-down until the Savile Trust refused to play their game any longer.
Next, the litigants have been going for the relative small-fry elderly celebs, but there are much moor famous folks in the wings (check the internet baby). Once the precedents can be seen as set, then these more prosperous folk could easily be pursued next, where their bigger budgets will count for nought in the face of the previous successes. The blind-folded woman will have tilt her scales.
Of course if these lower-ranked celebs keep being found innocent, then you just need more allegations, as we have already seen in Roacheworld. The spectacle of a man leaving court not guilty to be faced with another raft of accusations make me think the dogs of law are rabid.
- Chris
February 10, 2014 at 6:17 pm -
Never forget too that *they* will not kill the Golden Geese.
Rock Stars – or, in 21st Century terms, ‘Brands’ – are the gift that will keep on giving – millions, year in year out. So those ageing degenerates from Brand Stones, Brand Zeppelin, Brand Aerosmith or the Cherry Poppers of Yesteryear such Brand Rod or Brand Bowie will never be sullied by the demonisation as they make a lot of people a lot of money. Ditto the Dead Shaggers like Elvis, Jimi & Jim – worth millions for ‘the man’ in image rights, publishing and royalties. They are making too many organisations easy money. Everybody knows what these guys did (not that was really anything wrong with giving the fans what they want anyway), it’s all over the internet – but, no, the DJ’s & the actors who shared the celebrity but not the residual income are the ones who cop for it.Re: Buggernation Street: they seem to incurred the Wrath Of Mark (and, funnily enough The Mirror & The Murdochs) by, unlike those old DJ’s ducking for cover from the Flying Bullets of Yewtree, the cast standing by ‘the accused’ and thus not accepting the accounts of those poor “victims” – which has seemingly made him all the more keen to destroy the show.
- Chris
- Radical Rodent
February 10, 2014 at 7:20 pm -
One important thing to note: none of the accused have a history of having left-wing leanings.
- Moor Larkin
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Moor Larkin
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 5:58 pm -
Interesting. I’m not sure the Corrie crew have been from the outset nothing but stalking horses for the real Gold Mines, though I can easily see that nothing succeeds like success. History tells us that’s how panics often play out: finally the accusers are sufficiently emboldened to go for a really significant target – then the hammer falls, and authority is no longer prepared to tolerate what seemed a relatively harmless blowing off of steam. Until affected them, of course.
But what is the CPS doing here? I believe the Head Honcho originally ruled against prosecuting Roache, was it?, then they had a fresh review and decided to go ahead. Why? Who’s driving it? This really is some public-private partnership in operation if the CPS is prepared to run ropy prosecutions which can only benefit their confreres working tort cases. Are they looking to jump ship?
- Duncan Disorderly
February 10, 2014 at 6:46 pm -
“the Head Honcho originally ruled against prosecuting Roache”
That was Le Vell, I believe. The Le Vell trial was a particular nonsense. Quite what the CPS were thinking with that one is lost on me.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 6:59 pm -
Thanks. I am having real problems getting my head around the role of the CPS is all this. For years we were told they were extremely reluctant to prosecute sexual offences cases unless they had cast-iron evidence, and they used to get a regular kicking for setting the bar higher than for other forms of crime. Or so it was said. Is this some sort of mad over-compensation for past caution? Or are they being given a political steer from On High – we want prosecutions to show that Something is Being Done? Or do the CPS think it will make them look good – to go over the top gallantly, because the Cause is Worth It? Are they trying to send a message – these cases are worthless, and we’ve just proved it to you by failing to deliver on them? Or is it a case of “Give us the tools and we’ll finish the job” – as we don’t seem to be able to win under present conditions, get Parliament to change the goal-posts and we’ll start winning. What is it?
The LeVell case was perfectly shameless. Even I could work out who the complainant was just by reading “the evidence” as reported during the trial by the press. And it made me feel terribly, terribly sad for everyone caught up in the whole affair.
- Margaret Jervis
February 10, 2014 at 9:18 pm -
@eyeswideshut Fact is the CPS have been prosecuting loopy cases for 25 years. But there was a wide variance with some areas more keen than others. Same with the police. Courts have likewise been convicting people on unsound evidence for decades – but wide variance in practice with some courts knocking cases back .
That era has ended. It’s open season all round now with the DPP guidelines in October 2013 impressing their stamp on being the lead witchfinders – no longer a ‘gatekeeper’. The Court of Appeal has become increasingly deaf to appeal on the basis of long delay (up to 60 years) paucity and inconsistency of evidence. Oral testimony is all. Juries vary – you only need one’ true believer’ to convince 9 others on ‘belief’. But
it’s the only wild card left in the system! Thousands of people have been convicted on non-existent crimes over the past 25 years – but as the system does not accept this – it’s seen of evidence of the ubiquity of hidden horrendous abuse – so these cases are just ‘business as usual.’- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 9:25 pm -
* you only need one’ true believer’ to convince 9 others on ‘belief’ *
and vice-versa…….
Hence the need to eliminate all non-believers, which the Curious Case of Jimmy Savile pretty much has succeeded in doing, if the voice of the mass media is something to judge things by.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 9:33 pm -
@ Margaret Jervis, well then I’m just going to have to quote my old mate Guy Debord again “A lie that cannot be challenged becomes insane.”
This. Is. Insane.
- Moor Larkin
- Duncan Disorderly
February 10, 2014 at 9:20 pm -
Simple explanation: mistakes were made. I think Alison Levitt was overzealous in deciding to bring the case to trial and I would hope she realises it now.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 9:43 pm -
@ Moor Larkin : re “belief” . I suspect it’s worse than that. They want to make certain “paradigms” simply beyond question. It doesn’t matter if you believe them or not. It’s just unthinkable to subject them to any scrutiny at all. If you do, you’re equally guilty. This is the way all dictatorships of the mind and spirit work: you don’t have to be convinced by their arguments, you don’t have to believe them, you just have to go along with them. No one cares what you believe anyway. Stalinism operated like that. And so did and do some theocracies.
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Margaret Jervis
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Moor larkin
February 10, 2014 at 6:52 pm -
The DPP said, “Victims must be believed.” The CPS was being driven by it’s own dogma.
There was an interesting little thing that happened over the weekend. 3 or 4 cops were reported as sharing “extreme porn” on their Mobiles “whilst on duty”. This was reported in the press. Within about 48 hours the CPS, via it’s new DPP, had announced curtly that no prosecutions would be being pursued – End of. Some of the Yewtree guys have been hanging on a legal string for nearly 18 months, just as many journalists were dangled during the Hacking scandal. I think in many ways the MSM is just lashing out because it was treated so shabbily a year or two back. It’s like a hurt child who just wants to hurt someone else in revenge – Anyone. Remember that the Dowler accusation that got everyone going back then, proved to be groundless in the end.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm -
Oh la, you answered my question to above post before I had posted it.
So they have been brainwashed into acceptance of “IbeleiveAbigailWilliams” at hashtag Salem Justice?
I’m going to say, maybe some of them have. There are always going to be people in any organisation with a larger-than-average Bump of Credulity. But I reckon most of them are just keeping their heads down and going through the motions: “You want it, you got it, Boss”. And there will be some who will want to out-Inquisitor the Grand-Inquisitor himself for the sake of promotion, all the while not giving a damn. I’m good on corporate psychology, me
Now – Quis custodiet ipses custodes?
- Johnny Monroe
February 11, 2014 at 12:49 am -
I saw that story about the Met. To be honest, though, there used to be a habit of confiscating hardcore movies from the backrooms of Soho sex shops and then having Friday night ‘film shows’ at Scotland Yard back in the Good Old Days. Policemen may be getting younger, but at least they’re still upholding some traditions.
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Duncan Disorderly
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 6:42 pm -
@Chris – yes, I kind of suspect that. Sooper-stahs (whether resident in this jurisdiction or not) won’t be accused of anything. There’s too much at stake in terms of “brand”, “back catalogue”, “image-licensing” etc. And also – they are in a sort of stratosphere where such accusations might come across more as desperate fantasies (“I’m Elvis’s Love Child”), despite the fact that I’m sure Jagger et al never bothered with ID in their glory days. I think the homelier celebs are more vulnerable. Some people really do think of them almost as “family” and we all know that its in the family that most abuse takes place. Hence the public willingness to give credence to the allegations, perhaps. Or maybe we just like to believe the worst of anyone
Interesting contrast between the Corrie cast’s attitude to the Roache allegations and the way Beeb celebs couldn’t wait to tell us “They always knew Savile was a wrong ‘un.” Esther Rantzen, I’m looking at you. Dim-wit: surely she must have known how bad that would make her look?
Ditto Gambaccinni, now in a spot of bother himself. Wasn’t he the guy who trotted out the Jimmy was a Necrophile meme? Maybe the Corrie lot knew there is nothing to be gained from pointing the finger: you won’t be any safer when your number comes up- Chris
February 10, 2014 at 6:56 pm -
Jagger’s lyric for Stray Cat Blues – still played & performed by The Stones in recent years – is a very good example. Incidentally, the ‘stray cat’ is 15 on the ‘Beggars Banquet’ album version, but just 13 when the song is played live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvEAEDYO0FQI hear the click-clack of your feet on the stairs
I know you’re no scare-eyed honey.
There’ll be a feast if you just come upstairs
But it’s no hanging matter
It’s no capital crimeI can see that you’re fifteen years old
No I don’t want your I.D.
I can see that you’re so far from home
But that’s no hanging matter
It’s no capital crimeOh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don’tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
I Bet, bet your mama don’t know you scream like that
I bet your mother don’t know you can spit like that.You look so weird and so lost from home
But you don’t really miss your mother
Don’t look so scared I’m not no mad-brained bear
But it’s no hanging matter
It’s no capital crime
Oh, yeah
Woo!I bet your mama don’t know that you scatch like that
I bet she don’t know you can bite like that.You say you got a girlfriend, that she’s wilder than you
Why don’t you bring her upstairs
If she’s so wild then she can join in too
It’s no hanging matter
It’s no capital crimeOh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
Oh yeah, don’tcha scratch like that
Oh yeah, you’re a strange stray cat
I bet you mama don’t know you can bite like that
I’ll bet she never saw you scratch my back- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 7:01 pm -
@Chris
Roy Harper is being prosecuted, and one of his old songs is being held against him on the web, and for all I know, by the CPS too.- Chris
February 10, 2014 at 7:05 pm -
Roy’s crime is not making enough for his publishers. His mate Jimmy is bulletproof.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 7:20 pm -
Please tell me it’s not “Short and Sweet?”
- Chris
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 7:10 pm -
Oh well, we’ve got him to bang to rights, haven’t we?
In her autobiography, Marianne Faithfull talks of taking off from her convent school at 14 to go “Up West” and hang around jazz clubs.
Mind you, she was a bit older when she met Mick
- Moor Larkin
February 10, 2014 at 8:20 pm -
Interesting tweak on “Age” and “Children” on the BBC World Service radio this morning. A Human Rights person was making a story about how the Israeli’s were stealing away Palestinian children in the night and interrogating them without a lawyer or a parent being present.. I expect you can find the references on the google-machine. Thing was, when the Israeli guy was being told off by the BBC interlocutor, it became evident that the “children” were 16 or 17 year old young men – you know, the sort that are bigger than you on the bus and join the army……..
The remarkable thing was though that the Israeli guy played along with it all and admitted this was a delicate area where the security services had to “strike a balance”. The mind-wash works at every level it seems.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 10, 2014 at 8:43 pm -
Yes, but they weren’t luring those young men away for vile assignations, were they?
They were just going to beat the cr@p out of them in a secure detention centre
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Chris
- Andrew Rosthorn
February 10, 2014 at 7:44 pm -
Don’t forget it’s George Carman, not Carmen. You’re right that he was much more than a London libel lawyer. I watched him in court day after day at Lancaster Assizes in a complicated trial after five men died in a fire on the trawler Dinas. He was a fine advocate. His estranged son can have no idea how good his father was in those days on the Northern Circuit, long before his notable career in London. No conclusions can be drawn from Peter Adamson’s dodgy confession in the Sun.
The Daily Mirror played a strange part in the Adamson trial. George Carman told the judge that the Mirror had printed a picture during the trial of the swimming pool porthole through which a policewoman had observed underwater activity at Ramsbottom Pool. When the judge ordered the editor to appear, nervous back bench executives at the Mirror asked picture editor Eddie Rawlinson to explain the provenance of the picture.
‘It’s not a picture’, explained Eddie, a very canny operator from Burnley, ‘It’s a skilful montage of pictures. There’s no way any photographer could be expected to get the porthole AND the swimmers in focus. Is there?’
The northern editor had to go to court and George Carman did his job well. At the time, we thought the discovery of Eddie’s pre-Adobe witchcraft rather proved George Carman’s point about the danger of drawing conclusions on an apparent underwater criminal offence observed for only ten seconds through a porthole in the foundations of a municipal swimming pool. - Frankie
February 10, 2014 at 8:46 pm -
In the absence of that now seeming optional element ‘EVIDENCE’ from this particular trial I had little doubt that William Roache would be found innocent… eventually. Oh… the tedious business of having to prove the guilt of a defendant beyond all reasonable doubt!! It’s SOOO last century darlings!
I have to say that ‘Cock’ Roache (a nickname he apparently went by on the film set of Coronation Street, according to testimony from his fellow actors to the press) did not do himself many favours and, it seems, basically delivered himself up for trial by a series of comments to the press.
Michael Le Vell’s trial I did not understand at all. Again, there was a major lack of EVIDENCE against him and, given that the CPS had previously decided there was no case to answer I have no doubt that there was high level meddling from those with an interest in prosecuting those who fitted the profile of a popular entertainment personality, but one which was, to all intents and purposes, alive (unlike Sir Jimmy Savile)
We shall, no doubt, see who else those at Yewtree have in their gunsights.
- Ian B
February 10, 2014 at 11:18 pm -
Just as a general comment, this whole thing is going to be such a rich source for study for future historians. Myself, while in practical terms I find the whole thing weird and frightening, it is also utterly fascinating to be here, in this place and time, in the middle of a phenomenon (which I’ve been following and trying to understand since the days of reading about SRA, Bogus Social Workers flaps, and so on in the Fortean Times). Here in the middle of it, it’s lying being in the middle of a city trying to see the whole shape; you can’t. I wonder what those future historians will conclude about it all.
I can’t help but notice one small aspect that has struck me; that there is a strange parallel with flying saucers beliefs. Some large proportion of Americans in particular (pick a number) believe they have seen UFOs, interacted with them, and been abducted. It’s a significant belief system. But the authorities don’t believe in that. Imagine if they did, and the State was acting as if people really were being abducted. But what are the parallels? Well, there is the belief that there is this hugely widespread phenomenon which is lacking in evidence and based on testimonials. There is the recovery of experiences by therapists, often using hypnosis. People abducted in UFOs have strange sexual things done to them by the mysterious visitors; and survivors/abductees join in cult like groups to share and propagate their experiences, and they read enthusiastically testimonials by other abduction survivors; while the whole thing is well represented in the media such that, after an earlier stage where people had widely different abduction experiences, with a whole zoo of aliens, there is now a common narrative that a new abductee can draw from; the aliens are small and gray with big eyes, they are from Zeta Reticuli. Everyone knows what a real alien looks like these days. We’ve all seen Close Encounters. No need for much imagination.
The UFO cults in the 1950s started as very positive experiences; the aliens were benign godlike beings like angels, and a lucky chosen Contactee would be a vessel for bringing positive knowledge and philosophy to mankind (generally involving people being nice to each other, and warnings not to use nuclear weapons). A person in such a cult would feel blessed that they were part of a movement preparing mankind for the New Age; they were bearers of utopian esoterica. But through the 1960s and into the 70s, abduction converted to a negative, abusive experience. The aliens were no longer our friends, but a conspiracy against us, kidnapping people and experimenting on them, not to mention mutilating cattle etc. The Contactee became the Abductee. Abductees were vulnerable abuse victims, who the uncaring authorities refused to believe.
Perhaps likewise, the post-war period was initially sexually Utopian; a trail blazed by Wilhelm Reich and his Orgone Accumulators and associated cult. Sex was to be the great liberator, leading mankind into a New Age free from sexual repression. Sex was a Good Thing, and more sex was a Better Thing; freeing people from sexual repression would cure all psychological and social ills. The 60s generation who bothered to seek intellectual justification cleaved to Marcuse’s Eros and Civilisation; the future would be one of polymorphous perversity, ending at last, the alienation of the proletariat (sexual repression being the means by which capitalism controls the minds and bodies of the masses).
But then, lagging perhaps a decade behind the UFOs, therapists wielding hypnotic power discovered that there was a massive phenomenon of abductions… for sexual purposes. You didn’t join a sex group any more to bask in the coming new age of enlightenment, but to report your abuse experiences by satanic beings who, like the Gray Aliens, are everywhere but invisible, and in which the uncaring authorities refused to believe…
- Ho Hum
February 11, 2014 at 12:43 am -
Always thought Spock was a bit uptight. That Gene Rodinbum has a lot to answer for…
- Duncan Disorderly
February 11, 2014 at 5:31 am -
“not to mention mutilating cattle etc”
As you are no doubt aware, ‘mutilated’ cattle were also a common feature in ‘proving’ the existence of Satanic cults in America. In fact, the cattle had died of natural causes; people assumed that cults were mutilating the animals when actually they were decomposing and getting eaten by insects.
- Ian B
February 11, 2014 at 6:06 am -
Duncan-
I’d not really made that connection. Thanks.
The truth is out there…
- Ian B
- Ho Hum
- sally stevens
February 11, 2014 at 12:29 am -
Ian, it’s an exaggeration to state the UFO abductions were necessarily accompanied by ‘sexual’ experiences with the abductors. The most famous is the abduction of Betty and Barney Hill. Nothing sexual was experienced by either Betty or Barney. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betty_and_Barney_Hill_abduction – the authorities spent considerable time listening to their account, conducting some of the investigation under hypnosis, and to this day their experience is considered to be the flagship of UFO encounters. It occurred in 1961. I am not aware of ‘large amounts of Americans, etc.’ – sure there are several quite well-known and well-documented occurrences, but the authorities don’t take a “I don’t believe you” stance, and never have. One of the most famous took place at Rendlesham Air Base in Norfolk in 1980, again nothing sexual occurring. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendlesham_Forest_incident. I am not personally aware of any abduction that involved anything sexual, but please provide links, etc. Willing to learn more. But I don’t think there are any parallels to be drawn between extra-terrestrial research and child molestation, at least based on my current knowledge.
- Ian B
February 11, 2014 at 3:05 am -
Sally, there’s a pretty well known narrative of abductions involving mysterious experimentation on the reproductive organs of the abductees. I didn’t mean sex with aliens, sorry to have given that impression. Grabbing quickly from the Wiki article–
“Typical claims involve being subjected to a forced medical examination that emphasizes their reproductive system”.
So what I see is a tantalising parallel between the growth of the satanic abuse cult and the UFO cults, in which mentally repressed molestations are retrieved by therapists via hypnosis.
- Ian B
February 11, 2014 at 3:20 am -
Also Sally, I mention this because of organsational parallels. In both cases (UFOs and abuse) you have a pool of believers who are a subculture; they network via support/survivor groups, and there is a supporting literature. Taking Savile, we know that the initial primary claimant was already a writer for this market (anyone in the MSM could have known that with 30 seconds Googling; none bothered) and IIRC one of the other claimants was a member of a survivor group. So these networks act to coordinate and focus testimony. It would be interesting to know if other claimants have arisen from this kind of background.
To use the UFO analogy; if two independent persons from different locations in the USA were to claim being abducted by the same type of UFO, by the same type of aliens, and have the same experience on board, that would be an impressive coincidence which one would naturally consider corroborative. But if it turns out they are both prior consumers of UFO literature, members of UFO groups, etc, the coincidence becomes much less impressive.
- Moor Larkin
February 11, 2014 at 10:00 am -
@ Taking Savile, we know that the initial primary claimant was already a writer for this market (anyone in the MSM could have known that with 30 seconds Googling; none bothered @
Ehh? Meirion Jones of the BBC FOUND the woman on the internet in the first place……
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/well-meet-again.html
There was never any question of the MSM ‘not knowing’. They knew all along and never breathed a word, except in the Daily Mail, where I recall one report mentioning that her new book was about to be released. I think that was some time after the original revelatory stages and where they were sort of reviewing how she had broken down the walls of silence. Not only did the MSM know but obviously so did ACPO and the cops and all the while Spindler was babbling “independent corroboration” her story and book were on the internet. You can see her memes all over the place… the stink of cigars etc. - Margaret Jervis
February 11, 2014 at 10:50 am -
Richard McNally did the definitive study on alien abductees – book ‘RememberingTrauma’ here’s a related article. https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mcnally+alien+abductions&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&gws_rd=cr&ei=Hv35UqneOKHN7Abs6oDYDw
This was partly a response to Harvard psych John Mack who actually said the abductees were genuine based on symptoms and verisimilitude of narrative.
The cultural and therapeutic suggestive elements in the ‘sexual abuse’ aspects of abductees are interwoven. Many of these abductees as with ‘recovered memory’ suffer anxiety and panic attacks and ‘sleep paralysis’ the source of ‘nightmares’ ‘succubi’ and incubi etc.
A benign form of this is ‘lucid dreaming’The number and type of abductees mushroomed following the explosion of ‘recovered memory’ beliefs, therapy.
McNally’s book also has interesting stuff about Vietnam vets claiming PTSD and compo who were never in Vietnam
The early ‘Satanic’ victim imposters did not include the child sexual abuse and sacrifice – it was all sex and drugs and rock and roll and prostitution – class vice – with a dose of Denis Wheatley. See the Mainwaring Knight trial in 1983.
the freemason aspect became more dominant following the publishing of the ‘Brotherhood ‘ and Inside the Brotherhood’ in the 80s.
Alot of the 80s satanic abuse claims were lifted from Hollywood movies – eg kids forced to ‘drink blood’ Indiana Jones!
- Moor Larkin
- Ian B
- General Mayhem
February 11, 2014 at 7:16 am -
I seem to recall that much of the testimony in the McVell case resulted from some “recovered memory” therapy. Which suggests that the lady in question was coached until she actually believed she had been abused.
- Margaret Jervis
February 11, 2014 at 11:08 am -
Revelatory explanatory beliefs through some kind of new age type weekend ‘live the dream!’ stuff as I recall. But teenage cases are rarely expressed as classic’recovered memory’ whereby prior amnesia is claimed. It just unfolds as ‘body memories’ ‘ locked in brain/feelings’ etc. this is usually encouraged, reinforced by external influences including therapists who adopt the ‘child sexual abuse accommodation model of explanation and investigation. The term ‘recovered memory’ covers a wide range of beliefs about the past but is often spurned by those who are most firmly in its grip – Valerie Sinason says she is not a ‘recovered memory’ therapist but believes that ‘memories’ are locked in the body and minds of people which she gains access to by interpretation and ‘addressing’ the ‘dissociated’ ‘alters’. Psychodrama by another name.
- Moor Larkin
February 11, 2014 at 11:20 am -
Gather the Telegraph has just done a “sting” whereby Counsellors were telling abortion-seeking women not to have the procedure because it breaks down barriers in the mothering spirit and so will make them more likely to be child abusers when they do have a child later.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 11, 2014 at 11:31 am -
The Abortion Wars are another piece of nonsense we imported from the States: political parties looked at the success of the GOP in identifying wedge issues to split up previously intact voting blocs. The UK has never had the same electoral composition as the US, so it makes it even odder when the transatlantic poison is decanted into our own polluted fish tank. Bit like grey squirrels vs red squirrels.
- Moor Larkin
February 11, 2014 at 11:42 am -
Not to mention the ruddy duck…..
- Moor Larkin
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 11, 2014 at 11:23 am -
“Recovered memory” has been around for a long, long time: Debbie Nathan’s excellent book “Sybil Exposed” about the multiple-personality c disorder poster child who became a pop sensation in the 70s does a great job of showing how the psychiatrist basically coaxed the whole farrago of nonsense out of her patient, Shirley Mason. The basic motif here was grotesque, bizarre sexual abuse by the mother which seemingly led “Sybil/Shirley” to disassociate and come up with all these “alters”. At the time one of the big fears in US Society was “Bad Mommy”, so Sybil’s tale fed into the general narrative of wicked, selfish, crazy women being at the bottom of all personal neurosis in one way or the other. That particular narrative is now exhausted, pro tem anyway, and we have fresh villains.
But Ian B, the big difference here from alien abductees is the authorities do believe the allegations. And that’s what’s scary. The powers that be are encouraging this, not ignoring it or denying it.
- bill40
February 11, 2014 at 11:56 am -
I think what ultimately links the BBC and ITV prosecutions is TV licence fee revenues being shared. Murdoch and Sky TV are on public record as wanting a share of the dosh to provide “a more even playing field”. So not only do they seek to nobble the Beeb they seek to nobble ITV too as they would be the more natural choice for shared revenue as it is free to air.
It is also very much a distraction from those with power who stand accused, Elm House getting anywhere is it?
- Margaret Jervis
February 11, 2014 at 12:14 pm -
@bill.40 ‘Elm House’ is a distraction from those with power who run the criminal justice system. It’s just another turn of the carousel.
- Ian B
February 11, 2014 at 12:37 pm -
What’s Elm House? Instructive link or brief primer, please? Another Savile abuse venue?
- Moor Larkin
February 11, 2014 at 12:40 pm -
Oh dear……. it’s a v-e-r-y long story of a gay brothel from a universe far far away………….
- Margaret Jervis
February 11, 2014 at 12:47 pm -
It’s Fernbridge – see exaro etc and https://annaraccoon.com/2014/01/31/what-happens-if-three-butterflies-flap-their-wings-simultaneously/ with the comments on Fay/Davison’s past lives.
- Margaret Jervis
- Moor Larkin
- Ian B
- Margaret Jervis
- bill40
February 11, 2014 at 12:46 pm -
@ianb
A primer for Elm House and operation Fernbridge can be found here. http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2013/05/09/the-paedofile-first-official-glimmer-of-hope-as-fernbridge-cops-admit-elm-house-part-of-wider-conspiracy/
- Margaret Jervis
February 11, 2014 at 12:49 pm -
With the greatest respect, John Ward’s desire to nail ‘Tory bastards’ has got the better of his judgment on this.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 11, 2014 at 12:58 pm -
Ever since I saw that silly photo of the Black List (Elm House patrons) being circulated on the Net, I knew it was a complete ramp. I have very specific reasons for saying this which I am not prepared to go into here, but trust me, it’s a con. Elm House is one big, big rabbit hole which certainly deserves to be labelled “Abandon All Commonsense, Ye Who Enter Here.” The rogue’s gallery of small-time crims and liggers pushing this one makes the Duncroft Girls look like a Vicarage Sewing Circle. Take my advice – don’t go near it. John Ward is a good man but he’s not infallible. Even he has made some utterly unsubstantiated remarks re Savile the man which made me go Hmmm? Where did you get that one from?
- Moor Larkin
February 11, 2014 at 1:07 pm -
Fernbridge was spawned from Tom Watson.
http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2013/07/operation-fernbridge-charges
Tadpoles have huge heads and then they turn into frogs.- Duncan Disorderly
February 11, 2014 at 1:53 pm -
Ah yes, Tom Watson. I recall when he blogged about Elm Guest House and I felt compelled to link to Richard Webster’s website in the comments.
http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/11/10-days-that-shook-my-world#commentsI commented at #89. I forgot the sense of urgency and dread in November 2012. Some of the comments seem to think Watson was in imminent danger from the Paedogeddon Conspiracy.
- Duncan Disorderly
- Moor Larkin
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Margaret Jervis
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 11, 2014 at 1:57 pm -
I’m starting to think Watson is a classic case of a “stopped clock” is right twice a day. Well, once in his case. Quite a few people have had their fingers burned by Elm House-type chari-vari in the past and they are being keeping out of it this time around. Still mention “Tory Minister/rentboys/underage rentboys” in certain circles and watch their brains leak out their ears. They want it. They want it sssssoooo baaaad.
- Moor Larkin
February 11, 2014 at 2:13 pm -
Given that Prince Charles was the first to have his phone hacked, you’d think squeakygate would have long have revealed discussions of the ettiquette of serving babies on hot muffins and other royal appetisers. But no…. No mention of child sacrifice or of awaiting deliveries of fresh virgins from that funny Yorkshire bloke with the smelly cigar. Stone the crows and kiss me hardy.
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 11, 2014 at 2:36 pm -
But they didn’t make these sorts of arrangements over the phone! They made them by specially-trained masonic carrier pigeons which were trained to roost in Jimmy’s Northern loft.
- Ian B
February 11, 2014 at 9:53 pm -
I thought they communicated with messages written on a secret wall in a room over a record shop in Manchester.
- Ian B
- Eyes Wide Shut
- Moor Larkin
- sally stevens
February 12, 2014 at 12:12 am -
That was the lair that had “Beware limbo dancers” written on the wall about a foot from the floor, right?
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