Conservophobia
In clinical psychology, a phobia is defined as an unreasonable, exaggerated fear of an object or situation, causing anxiety and distress. Typically, phobias are distinguished from genuine fears by their irrationality: think of your great-aunt Molly, who used to break out in hysterics every time a completely harmless daddy long-legs crossed her path, or was deathly afraid of heights. Lately, the language of phobias has been used to describe dislike and hatred for certain social phenomena — homophobia, xenophobia &c. — as a reflection of the idea hitherto unconfirmed that all hatred comes from fear. The new clinical entity I propose, however, is more akin to good, old-fashioned unreasonable fear.
Just as an arachnophobic will believe tales of man-eating spiders, conservophobics will believe the strangest of tales, and repeat them with utter conviction. This played out just this week in relation to an article in the Daily Currant, a fake news magazine of the same genre, but hardly the same quality, as the Onion. According to the article, right-wing commentator Ann Coulter — she of the rather questionable taste and sense — refused to board an airplane after learning that the pilot was black, fearing he had received his pilot’s license by affirmative action. The article was, of course, in bad taste — however, that’s Daily Currant’s job. What the job of the conservophobic left would have been was to check whether a site named the Daily Currant (yes! currant! not courant!) could, perhaps, just perhaps, be a joke site (because something named after a berry is probably right on par with major newspapers in authenticity). Left-wing twitter posses retweeted and repeated the fake story *ad nauseam*, as one would expect, without even having a sense for the over-the-top humour of the article.
That, so far, is not conservophobia, it’s just plain stupidity and the result of a life filled with vituperative bitterness and devoid of humour. Where conservophobia comes in was the sincere belief that this could be, in fact, true. Conservophobia is not merely fear, it is also an irrational conviction that anyone who is an avowed conservative is capable of just about every wrong on the planet. And in a world where the lie could bounce off a dozen of syndicated news websites before the truth has tied its laces and posted its refutation, vast, uneducated masses believe phantasmagories of Romney wanting to ban tampons and ‘gun nuts’ heckling a father who lost his child in the Newtown massacre. The remarkable thing here is not that such nonsense is dreamed up — the remarkable thing is that there are people who have been so deeply ingrained to fear conservatism that they would readily believe its adherents to be sub-human, man-eating, poor-mincing, slave-driving, blood-sucking fiends toasting each other with the tears of orphans from goblets made of the skulls of secretly murdered benefit claimants. Or something.
Conservatives want to reform the benefits system? Conservophobes immediately paint pictures of the ‘grey buses’ of Nazi Germany’s ‘euthanasia’ (read: mass murder) programme for the mentally disabled, and shamefully appropriate the black triangle, the identification symbol in concentration camps for those designated as ‘asozial’: the ‘habitually work-shy’, alcoholics and, often, the socially marginalised — because to the mind overtaken by conservophobia, it is perfectly reasonable that if today the government of a country party to more human rights treaties than I could readily list here decides to make small cuts to certain benefits, tomorrow all disabled will be herded into gas chambers. Of course, conservophobes — like everyone with a phobia — are easily led, and it took little more than some allusions to Nazism by certain political interests and their spokespersons who style themselves as ‘campaigners’ and ‘activists’ to make conservophobes immediately apprehend their deportation and an impeding holocaust.
Conservatives want to limit federal funding for abortion? Conservophobes immediately plaster their rhetoric with abundant mentions of coat-hangers and regression to the 19th century and talk of a ‘war on women’. Conservatives want individual responsibility for health-care? Conservophobes bring up the age-old caricature of the wealthy, privileged conservative who wants the poor to wither and die. Conservatives want to protect the constitutional right to keep and bear arms (right or wrong, it *is* in the Constitution)? Conservophobes parade victims of the school shooting in a sickening sideshow with mock heartbreak and crocodile tears, safe in the knowledge that their assault rifle-wielding bodyguards will be the last to be disarmed (if ever).
The shame in generations of conservophobes brought up by other conservophobes filling the state educational system is that they never learn about what it really is they hate. They cannot, may not, ever, learn who the enemy is, what the enemy wants, what the enemy loves and what it disdains. Arachnophobes will not sit down and read “All You Ever Wanted to Know About Spiders”. Conservophobes, then, will never learn more about conservatism than their masters and handlers permit them to. For knowledge is a dangerous thing. Knowledge of one’s opponent — enemy! — breeds compassion. As Longfellow wrote, “if we could read the secret history of our enemies, we would find in each person’s life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility”. If those staunch haters who denounce Coulter could for one moment see her as a person, they would find common humanity with her, and would hardly believe a silly hoax about not boarding an aircraft because the pilot was black.
It appears conservophobia is now an epidemic engulfing the Western world, to the point that satire websites have to make it clear that they are actually satire, lest they be taken seriously by conservophobes (a new low for satire). An oft-repeated point in the rage- and death threat-filled tweets of the tolerant, ‘new tone’ left was how much Coulter needed psychiatric care. Perhaps, in view of the events, it is not her but the conservophobes who condemned her without scrutinising the evidence that need to seek treatment for their conservophobia.
I suggest they start with a good dose of George Santayana.
February 4, 2013 at 07:55-
I think you wrote…”Right that’s it, you’re banned” That’s as I remember,
and I can’t be arsed to check back. The essence is there, and the truth for
anyone who happened to read that particular post. Luckily for you, I tend to
comment retrospectively so most of your admirers will not see this
exchange.I don’t care, and I don’t need to keep up. You are the one who doesn’t
realise that your dishonesty is obvious, and your cleverness disguises an
inadequate person who doesn’t answer valid criticism. You are a frightened,
wizened old lady, demanding recognition as a fantastic brain. You achieved a
double first. Really? I also got awarded a first, but that was in Mathematics.
Only a single, so I can’t keep up. The only double firsts, I ever heard of
were from years ago, usually, if not exclusively, Oxbridge. Not some Welsh
institution, in recent years.So do continue to brag and to rage against those who will not pay homage.
And know this. We can keep up as much, as we need to.- February 5, 2013 at 01:23
-
Spot on Jim, keep up the good work
- February 3,
2013 at 10:54 -
What I find interesting is the way this phobia is transmitted.
It’s often simple group dynamics. A group of, shall we say students, is in
the JCR, talking slightly aimlessly. They’re young, so there’s still a kind of
pressure to conform, and a desire for simple answers, a simple framework for
right and wrong. They want to know who the bad guys are, and to save the world
from them.And as it happens the prevailing political trends they are exposed to (from
their lecturers, the BBC, and other students) are fairly basic leftist ones,
and there are people on hand telling them that the bad guys are Conservative
politicians and voters (oh and Daily Mail readers, too, there’s a lot of
“hate-speech” directed against them) Our students therefore quickly learn who
the accepted bad boys and girls are, and they’re away. Perhaps this will
affect their politcal views for much of their lives. It must be galling for a
student who secretly doesn’t absolutely concur, but who may end up paying
lip-service to the orthodoxy.I’m convinced that this is just a game people like to play, they like to
make villains of one group or another. Much more fun than the very difficult
task of actually picking up a few books and working out what’s going on in the
world. - February 2, 2013 at 23:51
-
Erm.. you say I ‘ain’t half visible’ on this site!’ What? I an a very
infrequent commenter these days, and I say I was banned, because you told me
that I was not welcome to comment here.It doesn’t seem to matter what I say. (however mildly) You jump on any
remark . Why? I don’t know but I would guess that you are a woman who enjoys
being admired, whose opinions, backed by they are by perfect prose, are not to
be questioned by intellectually inferior tossers.Sometimes Sue, you write beautiful crap. Someone will always tell you
that.Good Morning, Zanshin. Keep on questioning the lovely lady. She really
doesn’t like it.- February 3, 2013 at 09:26
-
“you told me that I was not welcome to comment here”
No, I told you that you were welcome to add your views on a subject under
discussion, but that was not to include gratuitous insults to other posters.Er, I think you will find that Zanshin is questioning the opinions of
another author on this site – not me!Do try to keep up Jim.
- February 5, 2013 at 01:08
-
“but that was not to include gratuitous insults to other posters. ”
Gratuitous insults aren’t allowed, but ad hominem attacks are?
So
you’ve sent a warning to JuliaM, Engineer, Chris et al. JuliaM for
likening me to some alien or deep sea creature, Engineer for being
deliberately obtuse and attacking my character for no good reason and Cris
who seems incapable to accept that others may disagree with his world
view?“Er, I think you will find that Zanshin is questioning the opinions of
another author on this site – not me! ”Er, I think that you’ll find that I’ve questioned or commented on your
opinions many times. Especially your massive bias against anyone who dares
to argue against the views of your tame mutual back patting club. In fact,
why don’t you go over this very thread and see that I generally comment
against just that.
- February 5, 2013 at 01:17
-
“Sometimes Sue, you write beautiful crap. Someone will always tell you
that.Though they should be prepared for illogical responses , laden with
insult and infantile sophistry.Good Morning, Zanshin. Keep on questioning the lovely lady. She really
doesn’t like it.”Good Morning Jim – though a few days late
No, she doesn’t like any dissent at all. What do you call that again –
authoritarian or something like that?
- February 2, 2013 at 18:09
-
Yes, you are completely stable aren’t you. No axe to grind at all, just a
one subject noise about your lack of firearms, your random attacks on what I
do and don’t know, based on nothing other than your inner frustrations at ”
the repressive, intolerant, intellectually lazy mindset of the UK
Establishment as demonstrated consistently since the Fireams Act of 1920 –
aided & abetted by their lapdogs, mindless hangers-on with a slave
mentality. “
You are full of shit and bile, go get a life, AND some
professional help with your anger issues -sheesh! - February 2, 2013 at 10:43
-
And is this article perhaps guilty of leftohobia?
- February 2, 2013 at 12:48
-
Leftophobia, on this site? Does it show?
- February 2, 2013 at 09:20
-
Oh my, I am so out of my depth with you clever folk! Also, I have been
banned, but it doesn’t seem to have eventuated, at least not
permanently.
From my perspective we have Chris, who is super clever and has
a sympathetic back story, which allows him to mouth off, because he will
survive.Others are less fortunate. Small cuts to certain benefits can be very
difficult. And with a nod to Chris, who is obviously gifted, talented and
blessed, he also has a mindset which is not exactly flexible.There are many people in this world who can overcome adversity. The real
test of strength is to empathise with those who are not equipped to cope and
to help them.- February 2, 2013 at 09:47
- February 2, 2013 at 12:46
-
“Others are less fortunate. Small cuts to certain benefits can be very
difficult. And with a nod to Chris, who is obviously gifted, talented and
blessed, he also has a mindset which is not exactly flexible.
There are
many people in this world who can overcome adversity. The real test of
strength is to empathise with those who are not equipped to cope and to help
them”Agreed and agreed, at last a voice of reason from the dullness:)
- February 2, 2013 at 01:48
-
So you’re saying that I advocate violence privately (based on what
evidence?), whereas you advocate violence publicly, so your sort is the better
sort? As for the yah-boos, I didn’t mistake insult for debate, you did, and
your sort never understands satire or irony – pathetic. - February 1, 2013 at 23:58
-
I’m curious as to how many people round here have actually read any of Ann
Coulter’s books? -
February 1, 2013 at 11:53 -
Swivel-eyed lefties are clearly alive and well and living here. It pains me
to be forced to point out that the left, having hijacked just about every
issue in the public domain (Environment, Economics, The English Civil Wars,
the American Revolution, Slavery, etc.) have now reduced themselves to moving
even further beyond satire or parody than they were in the 1930s.Nazism? Bolshevism? Two cheeks of the same arse. No-one got fat on the
difference. To be a conservative (or, like me, a questioning reactionary),
seems a perfectly reasonable political posture to adopt. But, I would say
that.Oh, it’s ‘progressive’, is it? Progressing to where, or what, exactly? A
state of Marxian beatitude? Well, tell that to the Ukrainians, or the Poles,
or the Czechs or Cambodians. Tell that to the poor unfortunates who managed to
survive the cultural revolution.I dislike the left in the same way that I dislike AIDS, or malignant
bacteria, or piles. They will always be with us. Why? Because they are
lazy…- February 1, 2013 at 21:33
-
Bacteria and piles are less malign than Leftists – the former can be
remedied through medical intervention, but to deal with the latter, eternal
vigilance and superior firepower are required.
- February 1, 2013 at 10:11
-
“refused to board an airplane after learning that the pilot was black,
fearing he had received his pilot’s license by affirmative
action”I fear you have misread the urban legend – not only was the pilot black,
but they were also female.- February 1, 2013 at 10:12
-
Hmm – URL seemed to break there: http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/coulter.asp
-
February 1, 2013 at 08:25 -
Conservophia, I always wondered what the “C” in CBBC stood for.
- February 1,
2013 at 05:55 -
“Arachnophobes will not sit down and read “All You Ever Wanted to Know
About Spiders”. “Unless they are undergoing desensitisation therapy, of course…
- February 1, 2013 at 00:29
-
“pencils shoved up their noses”
Well said, a real conservative, though I don’t think their noses is
anatomically correct. -
January 31, 2013 at 22:19 -
The difficulty with Conservaphobia is that even for someone as naturally
conservative as I am, there are many Conservatives who make me run screaming.
This is not as a result of ignorance and prejudice. Quite the reverse; I’ve
met them. They are not offering conservative actions and conservative
policies; they are offering a peculiar mash of things which are designed as
bribes for key electoral groups regardless of what this does to the quality of
the nation as a whole.It’s like opening the a box of what are assumed to be a conservative
assortment of teatime biscuits, – shortcake, pink wafer, cream sandwich,
bourbon – only to find it has been replaced with a half-and-half mix of
sunflower seeds and pig’s ear. Never mind what is written on the lid of the
tin; the contents are an offence against good sense and would be insulting if
offered by the Surprise Biscuit company. But take these back to the shop and
point out that their chef has gone mad or the marketing manager is a liar, and
they say ineffably stupid things like “Don’t complain, you’ll be sorry if the
Surprise Biscuit Company get the contract”.Will I? And how am I supposed to tell the difference when the Conservatives
have clearly got their underpants on their heads, pencils shoved up their
noses, and going ‘wibble’.- February
1, 2013 at 04:43 -
Spot on! The Left (in particular, the ‘Guardian’ and the stranger
websites that seem to have provided us with Zanshin, like some weird and
wonderful deep-sea inhabitant best left ungazed upon by the eyes of men)
keep banging on and on and on about ‘the Tories’ and I keep thinking
‘Really? Where?’.This bunch aren’t the Tories I grew up with…
- February 1, 2013 at 08:09
-
The sort of Tories I grew up with used to win elections.
- February 1, 2013 at 19:56
-
If it pleases you to use me as some sort of poster person for “the
left” or “Grauniad readers” then alright, but I think that says more about
you than me. I have no drum to beat for the left, the right or the centre.
You are obviously seeing, but not reading, at my posts ???- February 1, 2013 at
21:29 -
Bullshit, Zanshin – gotcha. “No drum to beat” my arse! I’ve just
caused myself some slight mental pain by reading a succession of your
posts, and perhaps an illuminating extract is, “..try thinking of a
future where the States (countries) of Europe start to move as Europeans
instead of the old school tribal divisions that we currently use. That
also needs European wide political integration, which may be impossible,
but I’m always hopeful that people may become a bit better than manger
defenders…”
A couple of chaps rather better know than you had
similarly grandiose visions, which brooked no opposition – until they
were defeated by force of arms. Napoleon and Hitler were rather keen on
“European wide political integration”. Denial of any similarity, by you
and quite a few other ardent “political integrationists”, always ring
hollow: ultimately you engage in the wildest sophistry in an attempt to
excuse your authoritarian wet dreams – see above…
Fortunately quite a
few of us will resist your Greater European Co-Prosperity Sphere. We
might even know as much as you do about firearms – and be better
armed.-
February 1, 2013 at 22:07 -
“Bullshit, Zanshin – gotcha. “No drum to beat” my arse!”
You are talking utter bollocks, no wonder you had slight mental
pain.
I only wrote about political integration by democratic means
and certainly didn’t advocate the use of violence or force of
arms.
My only reference to firearms (and explosives) was in reply
to the words of the noble Chris, whose only answer to disagreement, is
to threaten to sue me to penury, so Yah boo sucks to your arse. -
February 2, 2013 at 12:15 -
Zanshin – EU political integration is not being attempted by
democratic means, and it never has been. The decision-makers in the EU
are the Commissioners (unelected). The only time Britons have been
consulted about European politics was in the mid 1970s, and the
question put was whether or not we would like to continue as members
of a free trade area, or withdraw. We were signed up to it first, and
asked the question later. We have never been consulted on whether or
not we would like to join the Euro, or whether we agree to closer
political integration.The EU is, with the exception of a toothless talking shop set up to
rubber-stamp the decisions of Commissioners, completely free of
democracy. The current leaders of Italy and Greece were appointed by
the EU, not elected by their voters.There is no chance whatsoever of the EU doing anything
democratically, because it is not structured to do so. The EU is, to
all intents and purposes, a dictatorship.Now, you either think that dictatorship is a good thing, or you
don’t. I don’t.
- February 1, 2013 at 20:20
-
Blue Labour where once there were blue rinses, and an unattractive
comfort in their association with Clegg’s Yellow Labour. DC no doubt happy
not to be frightening the horses with any worrying veering from the middle
way.
No wonder the back benches need sick bags.-
February 2, 2013 at 12:41 -
Engineer – I know, I voted to join the EEC. I have also stated a
number of times that there are problems that need addressing about the
lack of elected anybody (MEP’s?) But that doesn’t change the fact that,
given the solving of the problems, that a Federal Europe could
work.
The USA has still not solved it’s problems and they’ve had over
200 years to do so. Early days yet, but I can see a time when the
evolution will happen, given a bit of goodwill and good people, and 200
plus years – so not much chance there then Sigh!-
February 2, 2013 at 12:55 -
Above, you stated that you were committed to EU integration by
democratic means. Now you say that there is a problem with a lack of
elected ‘anybody’.You’re just a bullshitter, aren’t you?
-
February 2, 2013 at 17:57 -
“Above, you stated that you were committed to EU integration by
democratic means. Now you say that there is a problem with a lack of
elected ‘anybody’.
You’re just a bullshitter, aren’t you?”Engineer – I am committed to EU integration by democratic means.
There is a problem with a lack of elected ‘anybody’. Both statements
are true, and unambiguous.
You’re just being deliberately obtuse,
aren’t you? -
February 2, 2013 at 18:41 -
Bullshit. You changed your original stance because it was found
wanting in free debate.
-
January 31, 2013 at 22:02 -
The problem is not conservophobia. It’s being damnably gullible, unable to
use their critical faculties to spot a spoof and unable to make elementary
checks for themselves. I see it every day on social media – and as well know,
some of the worst offenders are journalists. Luckily, in real life people are
less easily fooled and all together more sensible. I don’t know why that
is.- February
1, 2013 at 04:40 -
The problem these days is that the spoofs are so plausible, because real
life is so damned strange!
- January 31, 2013 at 20:37
-
There does seem to be a bit of an unhealthy trend to this. Some of those
decrying the article and the supposed actions of Ann Coulter (must admit,
first thing I thought on starting to read was “Ann Who? Never heard of her”
and on reading on, realised why) may be a tad hard of thinking, but such
people are not limited to the left. The right have their own ‘knee-jerk
reactionists’, it’s just that they don’t get quite the same publicity, not
being popular on the BBC, for example.There are plenty of examples. Offer the opinion that wind power is a waste
of taxpayer’s dosh (which it is), and you’ll be berated by a brainwashed,
fact-free loon quicker than you can say “George Monbiot”. Point out that we
have accumulated several decade’s worth of temporarily stored nuclear waste
(which, incidentally, hasn’t actually harmed anybody yet), and it needs to go
into a permanent store of some description, and you’ll be similarly
berated.The problem is that it shuts down sensible, fact-based discussion, and we
end up with loony decisions that will cost even more to put right later – if
indeed, they ever get put right. That costs us all a lot of money, including
the knee-jerk shouters. They do need to shut up and think a bit before they
allow their knees to jerk. Won’t happen, though – human nature. No doubt we’ll
muddle through somehow, regardless.- January 31, 2013 at 21:51
-
The right have their own ‘knee-jerk reactionists
I’m a bit confused here – are the anti-wind, anti-nuclear reactionists
right-wing, or just examples of arguments that are dismissed by name
calling?As a general principle, and I think that is your point, I don’t think it
is helpful to respond to arguments just by name-calling. Trying to look at
this with an open mind I can’t think of any examples of the ‘right-wing’
doing this, possibly bevause we are ‘all ‘left-wing’ now, or so the media
would have us belief.The ‘left’ have deliberately carried out a policy of denying space for
true debate by defining some words as ‘totally unacceptable’ and redefining
others, e.g. ‘tolerance’ used to mean ‘put up with’ whereas now it is closer
to ‘positively embrace’.An earlier comment (Zanshin) suggested that I am taking a ‘right’ stance
by ignoring various ‘right-wing’ groups throughout Europe; apparent they
have risen (and fallen) so what is the problem? My gut feeling is that most
if not all of these groups are formed in response to perceived mass
immigration and a frustration that their governments do not listen and act
on their concerns. I don’t think their is a political movement here in the
sense that Marxists and Islamists clearly would like to achieve as their
goals. Indeed these ‘right-wing’ groups are formed and recruited from the
same social groups that the ‘left-wing’ intellectuals try to incite to their
causes. They aren’t some sort of ‘Oddessa’ seeking the Fourth Reich, indeed
that is already under way but we call it the EU, which is hardly
‘right-wing’.-
January 31, 2013 at 22:45 -
Ah – no, I didn’t phrase my original comment very well, so I see how
you misunderstood me – my fault entirely.I meant to make two seperate points. Firstly, that knee-jerkism isn’t
just a left-wing monopoly, though as they seem to get disproportionate
coverage in some parts of the mass media (such as the BBC) the lefty
knee-jerkism does have a disproportinately distorting effect on public
discourse. Secondly, that the lefty knee-jerkism over such matters as wind
power and nuclear waste tends to drive fact-based discussion out of
political discourse, to the eventual detriment of all of us. - February 1, 2013 at 00:25
-
No, I suggested that a typical rightist response was not to see when it
suits – if the cap fits though….
You have hit the nail on the head with
your gut feeling, however perceived mass immigration and prejudice are not
starting points for a rigorous debate. It’s certainly not helped when
headline news is that Polish is the second most spoken language in the UK,
at 1%(+-) of the population, most won’t get past that figure and start
fulminating instead of thinking. Remember, lies, damned lies and
statistics.
No-one has suggested a Fourth Reich Odessa, however no-one
(who was listened too), thought that Mr Hitler (that’s what he’s called in
my 1936 copy of “Mein Kampf”) would be responsible for the deaths of
millions.
Then of course there’s that charmer Breivik and his
supporters, notably those from the UK, but also worldwide. Then you have
stated there is no Fourth Reich conspiracy and promptly lay that at the
feet of the EU???????
I’ll be glad when they give the UK it’s
referendum, and then all the uninformed luddites who want the UK out can
vote and with any luck the EU will be rid of the whiners and leave the
rest of us alone.- February 1, 2013 at 04:39
-
“…perceived mass immigration…”
Eh? Are you referring to the clustering that occurs in cities or do
you think they really aren’t here at all?-
February 1, 2013 at 19:20 -
“Eh? Are you referring to the clustering that occurs in cities or
do you think they really aren’t here at all?”Actually Julia, I didn’t say it, I was quoting JimS, but I took it
to mean the public perception of immigration. The constant blatting on
by old favorites like The Daily Mail, Telegraph, The Star, The
Sun.
I’m not “here” (wherever that is) but of course there’s
immigration, notably amongst the Asians in places like Birmingham,
Bradford, Manchester and of course London. Of course now there’s a new
demon, Poland. In France theres notable clustering of immigrants in
places like the Dordogne, Lot and Garonne, the same can be said for
Spain, Italy, Bulgaria and so on.
- February 1, 2013 at 11:45
-
We’re not all stupid or unquestioning, and from experience I guess
most people have enough sense to pick over the dross that is published
and broadcast. Tempered of course by our own not necessarily rational,
but not particularly harmful prejudices and eccentricities.
So I
don’t buy the archetypal ‘Sun reader’ myth, applied to whatever
media.
We’re humans, not clones in some world where if only we made
the right choices (i.e. did as we’re told by the better informed), we’d
create a brave new world. It’s why we choose different breakfast cereals
and motor cars, regardless of what’s most efficient.
So I happen to
find the present and the planned future eu and it’s consequences very
disturbing. The more my views are patronised and offensively mislabelled
by the disciples, the more misinformation, the more often I’m told there
will be a plague of boils if we don’t get with the programme, the firmer
my resolve.
We’re way past any balanced debate and the resources
available to stifle it are huge.-
February 1, 2013 at 19:37 -
Believe it or not Binao, I don’ disagree (not that you’ll care:))
I’m just as tired of the endless rhetoric and noise, but it requires
more than a simple Yes or No.
As for your belief in the Sun reader
myth, look around. There are, and were, also rational thinking people
in places like Germany in the late 20′s and 30′s, Russia in 1917,
North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Spain, Italy, Greece, China, USA and that
didn’t help any of them.
My concern about a referendum is that the
result may be No, but it should be for the right reasons, not based on
some “bloody foreigners” nonsense. I also think that a Federal Europe
is a logical conclusion, no more stupid than a US of A.
- February 1, 2013 at 13:19
-
“When they give the UK it’s referendum …”
Think that exemplifies the difference between you and the loony
Luddites. Here in Luddsville we think that referenda are an essential of
democracy and not something to be ‘given’ by the Statists.Incidentally, and off-topic, why on earth are you so content with the
lack of democracy in the EU? Lessons from history an’ all …-
February 1, 2013 at 19:48 -
There is a lot of bureaucracy and kingdom building in the EU, but I
think that is the nature of the current beast, just human nature –
look at Whitehall and Parliament or your local council for
example.
Of course there should be democratically elected people in
charge of the EU, but I think that by missing the principle of a
Federal Europe, you are in danger of chucking out the baby with
bathwater. No doubt at all the EU is a bit of a basket case, but try
thinking of a future where the States (countries) of Europe start to
move as Europeans instead of the old school tribal divisions that we
currently use. That also needs European wide political integration,
which may be impossible, but I’m always hopeful that people may become
a bit better than manger defenders.
- January 31, 2013 at 20:31
-
Does individual responsibility for health care mean getting rid of the
NHS?- January
31, 2013 at 20:42 -
Yes. I think it’s no news I have expressed support for that view at every
single possible occasion, but let’s not sidetrack the discussion.- January 31, 2013 at 23:39
-
Republican through and through.
-
February 1, 2013 at 12:29 -
He didn’t say “get rid of healthcare”, he said “get rid of the
NHS”.The NHS certainly isn’t perfect. Despite substantial funding
increases since about 2000, there are increasing and depressingly
frequent scandals of failure – South Staffordshire, care of the elderly,
Maidstone, among others. There is a perfectly reasonable point of view
that a different way of organising healthcare may offer better service,
and it deserves to be aired. Shutting the debate down may have the
effect of perpetuating whatever it is about the current arrangements
that lead to the failures, and ultimately, that helps nobody.-
February 1, 2013 at 19:05 -
Actually he said that INDIVIDUAL healthcare meant getting rid of
the NHS. All fine and dandy for those who can afford individual
healthcare or the insurance, but what about those who can’t?
I
know, let’s copy that paragon of healthcare, the USA, where nearly a
quarter of the population have no basic health cover at all. Perhaps
they should put away more of that minimum wage to cover their costs,
if they have a job.
What do you mean the anaesthetist will cost
£30,0000? The surgeon will cost £60,000 and the maintenance drugs
afterwards will cost £2,000 per month???
But I’ve also got type1
diabetes and without insulin I’ll die………
The NHS may be a bit bent
out of shape, but it is better than the alternative, so you can sleep
better as you get older.
-
January 31, 2013 at 19:51 -
Conservophia has been a regular theme of the Left for many years. It is the
mindset that says: you want to reform, you want to express concerns about the
direction of travel: Fascist! Racist! You dare to question wwhat we, the self
appointed Guardians, have decreed should be so!
One of the best examples of
a form of “conservophobia” was the fabulous and telling incident of Gordon
Brown and life long labour voter Gillian Duffy. This seinsible elderly lady
expressed concerns about the numbers of easternd europeans moving into the
area – and whether you are pro or anti that is a legitimate debate to have –
but the mere expression of concern, the mere touching on a topic, caused her
to be labelled in his world a “mad”, “bigotted” woman.
To many of the Left,
ignorant of history and unable to tell the difference between a Nazi and a pot
plant, to express concern for the direction of one’s community was was the
Great Sin!
The greatest affliction the Left has wrought upon modern Europe
is straight from the pages of “1984.” With delicious irony it is exactly what
any Nazi Gauleiter or Kulak killing Commissar would have recognised and
adopted as part of the brutal apparatus of control: “Thought Crime!”.
In
earlier times it was the mindset of the Inquisition: in all times it is
doctrinal, blind, unintellectual and in the end game cruel.
If anuthing is
contrary to the self referential and established mid left concensus on how the
World should be, then it the work of the modern political Heretic – the
Deviant Right, meaning anyone who disagrees with those who declare themselves
to be the Intelligentsia, but are just those with the biggest mouths and
smallest minds, and who have the smallest library of history books
too.
Phew! Rant over.
Great writing btw- January 31, 2013 at 20:11
-
Gildas – When I was younger I watched the big noise about a place called
Cuba and some bloke called Nikita and troops marching in Red Square and
people in the USA beating up black Americans for trying to catch a bus, or
go to school and couldn’t quite see any difference between them. They all
seemed to have to swear allegiance to their respective countries on a daily
basis, had big armies and interfered in other countries while not sorting
out their own.
Now go and look again at the history books and see how
many times, say in the last two thousand years, you can draw a parallel ,
What goes around, comes around, plus ca change.-
January 31, 2013 at 21:12 -
Sorry, I am a bit slow. And your point is….? As I say, sorry, I am a
bit limited in the brain box department-
January 31, 2013 at 23:36 -
” ignorant of HISTORY and unable to tell the difference between a
Nazi and a pot plant, to express concern for the direction of one’s
community was was the Great Sin!”
“meaning anyone who disagrees with
those who declare themselves to be the Intelligentsia, but are just
those with the biggest mouths and smallest minds, and who have the
smallest library of HISTORY books too.”Oh, I don’t think you’re limited in the brain box department, social
grace is something else though.
I do think your allusions to
knowledge and history speak for themselves though and if you’d actually
bothered to read, rather than scan my post, you may have got the point
that history is in the hands of the writer BUT as they say it’ll all be
the same in a hundred years.
My personal views, which are being
shaped by some of the self-righteous, libertarian, I’m alright Jackery
on this site lead me to believe those with the biggest mouths and
smallest minds are gathered hereabouts complaining about immigrants, the
EU, dole scum, dodgy disabled. The irony is that quite a few of the most
vociferous are actually NOT living in the UK (immigrants to the EU and
elsewhere) and also pensioners, disabled or not – and so it changes.-
February 1, 2013 at 12:34 -
You’re not suggesting that just because someone happens to be an
ex-pat, or a pensioner, they’re not entitled to an opinion and the
right to express it, are you? -
February 1, 2013 at 20:06 -
Zanshin, you might as well have strapped live chickens to your
self. Even the late Steve Irwin would have thought twice about which
posts he commented on.
- February 1, 2013 at 04:38
-
Don’t sell yourself short, Gildas..
-
February 1, 2013 at 18:45 -
Engineer – of course not, I believe in freedom of speech and abhor
censorship. There is however, more than a smell of hypocricy , when
those who do all the complaining about immigrants for example, are
immigrants themselves. Or those taking their winter heating allowance,
who live in warm climes complain about “benefit scroungers” And before
anyone starts banging on about “I’m a taxpayer – blah”, everyone who
buys just about anything in the UK is a taxpayer, so no kudos for
that.- February 1, 2013 at 19:00
-
Interesting and uninformed comment on the winter fuel allowance –
you are aware that apart from southern Italy (n some years) those
who live in so called ‘warmer climes’ actually endure far harsher
winters than anything you whinge abou t in the UK. Minus 12 doesn’t
even get talked about around here, perfectly normal for this time of
year.
Been reading the Sun again have you?- February 1, 2013 at 20:04
-
Uh, Uninformed? Who says so, you Anna, and you are in no way
biased at all, are you? I don’t whinge about the weather in the
UK, I don’t live there, the weather is just the weather. the last
time I was in your neck of the woods it was a good minus 14 and no
relief.“Been reading the Sun again have you?”
Certainly not, I prefer more adult comics. Why have you been
writing for them?- February 1, 2013 at 20:59
-
Hang on a minute – just up the thread you complained about
the hypocricy of ex-pats expressing opinions on UK current
affairs. Now it seems you’re not a UK resident. For an ex-pat,
you sure have a lot of opinions about UK current affairs….- February 1, 2013 at 21:06
-
Petard sighting….
- February 1, 2013 at 21:26
-
“Petard sighting….”
Exactly Anna, but the next time you sight it, just bear
down and it’ll pop right out….
- February 1, 2013 at 21:25
-
No I didn’t and who said I’m an ex-pat?
I complained
about the hypocricy of ex-pats who live in the EU and
complaining about it to the point of swallowing their own
tails. As an uninformed, uneducated person, I do know that in
France people with potentially terminal illness get 100% cover
for travel, treatments and medications, those in glass houses
should have their catapults confiscated.
- February 1, 2013 at
21:35 -
I visited someone just north of Sarlat last year, who said he’d
recorded -20 on one day the previous winter…
-
February 1, 2013 at 21:11 -
Saul – It beats stamp collecting
- January 31, 2013 at 18:38
-
“My MP tells me that he is concerned about the potential of ‘right-wing’
terrorist groups in the UK. ………………….. So, really just a made up panic for
political reasons.,”As usual a right wing “blind eye” response to a worrying problem. Obviously
the rise (and fall) of far right groups like the BNP, BNF, EDL, EFL and
countless others has passed you by, and those are just in the UKOn a Europe wide basis, there has been a large rise in the number of right
wing, nationalist and usually specifically rascist groups – nowadays often
anti-Muslim/Asian. This is probably because right wing nationalist parties
usually appeal to the ignorant and stupid or give the hopeless a target to
blame for their own shortcomings – a switch from Jews, Romany, Homosexuals,
Communists etc to “Muzzie scum”
Perhaps if you were in the position of
being a shopkeeper of asian descent or on your way home from mosque you
wouldn’t be so blasé about the threat of right wing terror groups. – ref.
Norway, Greece, France, Italy, Spain, former Yugoslavia, ad nauseum, not to
even mention the “home of the free” and their thriving right wing, neo-nazi
sub culture.
Incidentally, to equate National Socialists as left wing is
trying satire and failing, at least I hope it is..- January 31, 2013 at 18:55
-
You seem to equate left wing with nice/caring and right wing with
evil/racist – do you work for the BBC, the Guardian, or the Labour
Party?- January 31, 2013 at 19:44
-
Not at all, I have no time for dogma from either “side”, I do however
use my eyes and ears and I call a spade a shovel as needed. My post was a
reply to the right centric previous post and I don’t think I mentioned the
left except in relation to the comparison of Nazis with Communists.
Do
you work for The Telegraph, Daily Mail or Conservative Party?-
January 31, 2013 at 20:21 -
Just as a point of order, a ‘spade’ and a ‘shovel’ are two different
tools designed for different jobs. Calling a spade a shovel is like
calling a left-winger a right-winger – they may be related is as much as
both have political opinions, but there the similarity ends.PS. The use of the word ‘spade’ in this context refers to a tool for
digging, and not to a human being of any particular skin pigmentation.
Just for the avoidance of doubt.-
January 31, 2013 at 23:48 -
You ar,e of course, absolutely correct I didn’t write clearly
enough. I should have written, I call things as I see them, if it’s a
spade then it is and if it’s a shovel it is – don’t mix them
up
“they may be related is as much as both have political opinions,
but there the similarity ends.” though sometimes you can’t see
daylight between the dogma and cant of either.
- January 31, 2013 at 19:00
-
Zanshin, the so called far right groups are in fact very hard left. The
German National Socialists were also very left wing – hint, there is
Socialist in the name and we have yet to find a right wing socialist.- January 31, 2013 at 19:55
-
Ivan, adding the word socialist to your party title does not make it
so, anymore than most Communist/states using the word Democratic in the
countries name, makes them so.
I do think though that different
labels/descriptors would be useful, because I agree that if most far left
or far right groups looked over their shoulders they would see each other
close up. Thanks for the hint but I got there about fifty years ago, all
by myself. It seems that the only critique of the main point of my post
has been semantics and not the subject itself – far right terror
groups.- February 1, 2013 at 08:18
-
Or even “Liberal Democrat” when neither.
-
February 1, 2013 at 17:17 -
Exactly, perhaps we should see politics as something other than
linear, left or right of central (or whatever you want to call it)
- February 1, 2013 at 12:59
-
The thing to note re. the Nazi’s is that they didn’t steal votes from
the socialist or communist parties or other left wing groups – their vote
increased at the expense of the right wing conservative parties.
So
either there were a lot of closet socialists at the time, or else just
maybe the label ‘national socialist’ was adopted as an opposition to
‘international socialists’ of the left.-
February 1, 2013 at 17:19 -
You are of course correct, but others don’t want the facts to spoil a
good story.
- January
31, 2013 at 19:08 -
The British National Formulary is a right-wing terror group? Sure, I know
it’s full of drugs, but terrorism?!- January 31, 2013 at 19:58
-
Chris, I think they’re waiting for you at The Apollo.
- January 31, 2013 at 20:41
-
Or the place where we know the names of organisations we dislike. If
you don’t so much as know that the NF is not the same as the BNF, and
that basically it’s been defunct since 2000, what the heck DO you know?
Other than talking points gleaned from various websites?-
February 1, 2013 at 04:23 -
I am fully aware that the name of the party concerned is The
National Front, but tend to call it the British National Front as
clarity for the hard of thinking.
I also know that the NF is
basically defunct, but like most of these extreme right-wing
nationalist groups they become defunct and then the Yobs, Skinheads ,
Football Hooligans and other savoury characters with pickaxe handles
just move along with their hatred, violence and rascist idiocy anf
join the BNP, and when they lose members ,those same charm school
graduates become members of the EDL, Infidels and Casuals. These
bastards don’t disappear, they just change shape. Incidentally how
close have you been to John Tyndall?
I know that as a Republican
Contitutional Lawyer you must be busy, but why don’t YOU do some
research on far right groups, I don’t have to because the knowledge is
in my head and have my own talking points from experience. Get to it
quickly as Republicans are dying out at a rate of knots and you may
learn something useful and real for a change. Happy hunting and don’t
kill any kids – Doh!
- February
1, 2013 at 16:30 -
I challenge anyone to show me a single casualty, in the UK, of an
actual right-wing (not racist, not national socialist, not xenophobic, not
Islamophobic but right-wing: capitalism ‘n family values ‘n shit) terror
group. Go on. Entertain me.FYI Zanshin dear, I came to Britain in October 2005, a few months after
Tyndall died (also, make another vague insinuation of racist/neo-Nazi
associations, and I’ll sue you into penury). So far, I’ve been a lot of
things but no Republican, not being a US citizen or resident. The fact
that I despise the sheer stupidity and phobic irrationality of the left
does not make automatically Republican. The fact that I’m very familiar
with firearms doesn’t make me automatically American. I seriously think
you need a dose of actual reality. And by ‘research’ on right-wing groups,
can you please tell me which academic institution you have done that
research, who your supervisor was or refer to any peer reviewed articles
you have authored? Otherwise, I might think you confuse ‘research’ with
‘looking shit up on t’internet’.- February 1, 2013 at
17:06 -
Cleansing operative to Public Bar please! Cleansing Operative to
Public bar!
Customer reports scattered remains of left wing
commentator squelching underfoot….-
February 1, 2013 at 18:10 -
Who’s that then Anna? I don’t know any left wing commentators,
squelching or otherwise.
-
February 1, 2013 at 18:07 -
“I challenge anyone to show me a single casualty, in the UK, of an
actual right-wing (not racist, not national socialist, not xenophobic,
not Islamophobic but right-wing: capitalism ‘n family values ‘n shit)
terror group. Go on. Entertain me.”Well obviously when we get a casualty from the far right, as defined
by you (wtf?) then you’ll be suitably entertained, time will tell.“FYI Zanshin dear, I came to Britain in October 2005, a few months
after Tyndall died”
“(also, make another vague insinuation of
racist/neo-Nazi associations, and I’ll sue you into penury)”Ok sweetie, good luck with that. I think that you think, that you’re
still in the USA – You came to the UK AFTER Tyndall died, so basically
you know sod all, except what you have gleaned from “‘looking shit up on
t’internet’.” Is that supposed to be a Northern UK accent?
I’ve made
no insinuations, vague or otherwise that you have racist/neo-Nazi
associations – so keep taking your medications, or don’t listen to “the
voices”, you are delusional and need a good dose of actual reality.” The fact that I’m very familiar with firearms doesn’t make me
automatically American.”The fact that I’m very familiar with firearms (and explosives)
doesn’t make me automatically American either. However I forgive myself
for thinking you may at least be dual nationality as a) your original
post is very USA centric and b) You have a lot to say about the USA
Constitution c) You claim to be a constitutional lawyer, d)Your kneejerk
response to the call for stricter gun control is typically Republican
right-wing American – so if I’m wrong about you being American, then
tough shit.- February 2, 2013 at 04:55
-
“However I forgive myself for thinking you may at least be dual
nationality as a) your original post is very USA centric and b) You
have a lot to say about the USA Constitution…”Great logic there, Zanshin. I have a lot to say about dangerous
dogs, but I don’t have a shaggy coat and a wet nose…
- February 1, 2013 at 15:09
-
Whereas there is a rise in ‘right-wing political groups’, even in
‘organised right-wing thuggery’, we have yet to see any ‘right-wing terror
groups’.Or perhaps you are engineering the usual conflation of “things I don’t
like” with “things no rational person likes.”- February 1, 2013 at 18:32
-
I’m not conflating anything, if that were the case I’d mention the
Conservative Party, The Labour Party, UKIP, the LibDems, SWP, Marxists et
al.
At what point does “organised right-wing thuggery” become
right-wing terrorism? Is it when a UK Breivik turns up?
In October 2012
fifty-three EDL supporters in a furniture removal van, were stopped by
police on the motorway and arrested. They were “allegedly” on their way to
a mosque in London, to coincide with a TUC demo, which would occupy the
police. Would this have been right-wing terrorism?- February 1, 2013 at 19:18
-
No because the EDL are left wing!
-
February 1, 2013 at 20:09 -
In what universe?
- January 31, 2013 at 17:53
-
My MP tells me that he is concerned about the potential of ‘right-wing’
terrorist groups in the UK. I’m inclined to think this is rather like public
and government concerns over predatory ‘stranger-danger’ to our children. The
reality in this case is that the real risk to children comes from their own
parents. Fortunately that risk is reasonably low, so, so far, we don’t put
children into the care of the state, (the highest risk case?). So, really just
a made up panic for political reasons.,This whole ‘right-wing’ business is carefully nurtured by the Marxists and
their fellow travellers, implying that their political opponents are the spawn
of the (left-wing) National Socialists of the 1930-40s. For the German working
class thug it was probably a toss-up whether to join the communists or the
Nazis and many swapped sides. Nobody likes to be labelled a Nazi so all the
thugs are now right-on members of the UAF, SWP, Animal Rights or Occupy
movements and proud to be self-described as ‘left-wing’.My MP is concerned that these invisible ‘right-wing’ groups spread hatred.
Now I might lead a sheltered life but I hear plenty of ‘hate speak’ on the
BBC, all of it from self-described ‘left-wing’ writers and so-called
comedians, many of whom are not beyond launching nasty attacks on named
individuals. It is strange that these people find it offensive to ‘insult’ a
group, (individual members of which can always excuse themselves “Yes most
Jews are…, but I’m not”), but not to go for an individual. But then as Polly
Toynbee says, it is interesting that most ‘nice’ people are left-wing, (if you
have ear-plugs in?). - January 31, 2013 at 16:52
-
The 22nd Amendment? The one introducing term limits to the Presidency?!
- January 31, 2013 at 16:36
-
You don’t live in America, apparently! Become more familiar with the 22nd
Amendment, and then argue it. We don’t need a standing militia to defend
ourselves against the government – might have 200 years ago, and then armed
only with muskets, not automatic weapons capable of spitting out two rounds
every second, in the latest instance riddling the bodies of 20 young children
who had done nothing but go to school.- January
31, 2013 at 16:51 -
The 22nd Amendment relates to the President’s term limits. The right to
keep and bear arms is in the 2nd, not the 22nd, Amendment. Please read your
own Constitution. As a constitutional lawyer, I happen to be rather familiar
with it, so I know for instance that the purpose clause is not construed as
a limitation thereon. Automatic weapons ‘spit’ out those two bullets per
second (you actually mean around ten rounds a second, the fire rate of an
AR-15 on full auto is 13.3- rounds per second or 800 rounds a minute) every
day, hurting innocent people in a tiny, minuscule percentage of instances.
Newtown was a truly regrettable instance of that, and my heart goes out to
all wounded by that terrible incident, but you really don’t need a gun to
kill a lot of people, as Timothy McVeigh proved. To make guns the culprit is
to completely miss the point, namely that there have been multiple systemic
failures in identifying a violent offender.Take this as my position – I will not dispute the 2nd Amendment (or 22nd,
as you would call it) with you, as that was not the subject matter of my
post. You want that debate, fine, but not here. And also, ideally, after
you’ve brushed up on con law.- January 31, 2013 at 19:48
-
Chris, your automatic might fire 10 bullets and eject 10 cases per
second but if it ‘spits out’ 10 ROUNDS then there is something very
amiss.- January 31, 2013 at 23:28
-
ZING!
Entirely right. I’ll blame this one on my meds. As a marksmanship
instructor, I should really be ashamed
- February 1, 2013 at 21:05
-
An AR-15 is not a selective fire weapon: it cannot fire full auto, just
semi-auto, in which mode it is impossible to fire ten rounds a second.
This is not just weapons pedantry: the point is that anti-gun types
usually (yes, customarily, most of the time, nearly always) get their
facts wrong.- February 1, 2013 at
21:07 -
I just noticed that Chris is not an “anti gunner” – apologies. But
what I said holds.-
February 2, 2013 at 00:00 -
Obviously you’re not an engineer. There may be no “legal” way to
convert to full auto, but it has and can be done – why you’d want to
is another matter.
- January 31, 2013 at 18:06
-
The Newtown, Connecticut shootings were carried out with two automatic
pistols. The ‘Assault weapon’ people keep mentioning was never used and
remained in the trunk of the killers car.- February 1, 2013 at 04:36
-
There’s a lot of obfuscation about this as that has apparently been
retracted, with the police now claiming that he killed them with the
rifle, and the item recovered from the trunk (boot) was a shotgun. - February 1, 2013 at 04:39
-
Doesn’t really make a lot of difference except as a Headline grabber.
My last two semi-automatic pistols had 15 & 18 round magazines and
three/four mags for each was normal – you do the maths.
This “Assault
weapon” thing is just gabble, as is all the bollocks talked about High
Powered Assault Rifles. They said that guy in Cumbria had a powerful
Sniper Rifle – because it had a telescopic sight and a silencer, it was a
22LR, certainly fatal but the media just had to have it’s uninformed say,
s usual- February 1, 2013 at
05:05 -
Zanshin; I agree that to the ignorant people who live in the bubble
world of the mainstream media, even an air rifle with a cheap 10x
telescopic sight could be an ‘assault weapon’. My wife and I are often
annoyed by the ‘fact lite’ version of events they often portray.Julia; yes, I’d heard this, but had also heard no mention that the
killers mother (to whom all the murder weapons belonged) actually owned
a shotgun. A shotgun and bullet wound are pretty distinctive (I’ve seen
both for real). How Police Officers could fail to tell the difference
makes me wonder if political pressure was brought to bear on front line
personnel and eyewitnesses to make them change their story. Stranger
things have happened.- February 1, 2013 at 05:36
-
True, but I don’t thing we need to reach for wilder theories when
we can look instead at human error, public sector flapping at the
scene of a major incident and the modern fast-paced news story that
desperately tries to keep up with FaceBook and Twitter.In one of the recent (post Sandy Hook) shootings, a reporter (CNN I
think?) was actually responding to the Tweets of someone caught up in
it and pumping her for information!I mean…what sort of bizarre disconnect from reality lets you do
that?
- January 31, 2013 at 19:14
-
mewsical, as has been mentioned I think you are talking about the
second Amendment but never mind.What you should be looking at is who are the idiots that think a sign
saying it is a no gun area will stop a drugged up loon from taking a gun
there.From all the reports I have seen regarding the various mass killings in
the US the perpetrator has been the recipient of various ‘black box’
prescription drugs, all of which can, and have, lead to what has been done.
Until the pharmaceutical and medical ‘industry’ takes responsibility for
what they are causing – I include the psychologists in this as well –
nothing will change. Ask yourself why is it that many children line up at
the start of the school day to get their drug ration? When you have the
answer to that you need to find a way that would stop it and communicate
that to the masses.- January
31, 2013 at 23:41
- February 1, 2013 at 00:43
-
“We don’t need a standing militia to defend ourselves against the
government ”Lol…good job a majority of Americans seem to disagree with your
position…
- January
31, 2013 at 16:18 -
As a sufferer from Humanophobia, my dear the people, this may not be
rational but it is the only thing that makes sense.- February 1, 2013 at 00:42
-
The Ann Coulter item is another spoof parody by the Daily Currant…
http://www.mediaite.com/online/no-everyone-ann-coulter-did-not-refuse-to-board-a-plane-because-pilot-was-black/ - February 2, 2013 at 00:26
-
I know Anna is a clever type, but I can’t tell if she’s satirising us
when she says conservaphobia is a fear of the Nazis? The Nazi party (or it’s
full name, the National socialist German party) was not right wing or
conservative. High tax, high public spending, anti-capitalist and
bankers.Not many lefties like to talk about that.
-
February 2, 2013 at 00:09 -
You might not have advocated violence openly, chum, but then your sort
never do. I, on the other hand, made it clear that the only answer to your
sort, ultimately – when your monomanical utopianism runs out of control as it
unfailngly does, every time – is superior force. Your schoolboyish yah-boos
(goodness, you’ve been an expat since the 1960s by the sound of things) are
just a little pathetic. - February 2, 2013 at 01:50
-
So you’re saying that I advocate violence privately (based on what
evidence?), whereas you advocate violence publicly, so your sort is the better
sort? As for the yah-boos, I didn’t mistake insult for debate, you did, and
your sort never understands satire or irony – pathetic chum. -
February 2, 2013 at 11:00 -
Zanshin:
1. I am quite possibly more familiar with the AR-15 than you
are – I fired many rounds from one (and other semis: FALs, Rugers…) prior to
the 1988 Act which stopped us from owning them. Of course it can be modified,
in fact in the USA one can buy a kit to do so without much difficulty – but
it’s not manufactured or marketed as a selective fire weapon. You’re probably
confusing it with the M-16, the vulgar error of those who know less about
firearms than they pretend…
2. Your millenarian view of the virtues of the
EU places you firmly in the category of people who know that their extreme
radical views can be imposed only through force. You’re just another
collectivist authoritarian hypocrite. - February 2, 2013 at 13:05
-
“You’re probably confusing it with the M-16, the vulgar error of those who
know less about firearms than they pretend…”No, you see it’s easy, just follow me and move your lips if you want to –
the AR15 is the AR15, the M16 is the M16 – clear? good! They ARE incestuously
related which IS vulgar.” Your millenarian view of the virtues of the EU places you firmly in the
category of people who know that their extreme radical views can be imposed
only through force. You’re just another collectivist authoritarian
hypocrite.”I think that you need to seek professional help. Your mindset is the reason
why you lost your kit in 1988. -
February 2, 2013 at 17:00 -
Now you imply that you know something about the history of UK firearms
legislation, as well as guns themselves. I don’t believe you. I think you’re a
contrarian – as well as the other things I already mentioned. We all “lost our
kit” for several closely related reasons, in 1988 and 1997 too, but the
individual mindset of any given gun owner had nothing to do with it. It had
far more to do with the repressive, intolerant, intellectually lazy mindset of
the UK Establishment as demonstrated consistently since the Fireams Act of
1920 – aided & abetted by their lapdogs, mindless hangers-on with a slave
mentality. People like you. -
February 2, 2013 at 18:50 -
The evidence so far suggests you won’t perceive the teensy contradiction
between your silly injunctions/observations, and your increasingly wild (now
scatological) outbursts. You talk about “anger” but I doubt the police would
be so rash as to permit you a Firearms Certificate – something I’ve held for a
very long time. I just threw in that little guns reference to crank up your
hissy fit a notch or two, maybe bring on indigestion if not a mild stroke… - February 2, 2013 at 23:42
-
Yes, you are completely stable aren’t you. No axe to grind at all, just a
one subject noise about your lack of firearms, your random attacks on what I
do and don’t know, based on nothing other than your inner frustrations at ”
the repressive, intolerant, intellectually lazy mindset of the UK
Establishment as demonstrated consistently since the Fireams Act of 1920 –
aided & abetted by their lapdogs, mindless hangers-on with a slave
mentality. “
You are full of shit and bile, go get a life, AND some
professional help with your anger issues -sheesh! - February 2, 2013 at 23:48
-
” something I’ve held for a very long time”
Yep, me too chum.
Extremely bored with you now.
TTFN
X
{ 119 comments }