Going on holiday this year? The following might be useful to you.

In the case of any problems when travelling is not uncommon for people to give family or friends details of their flight numbers and hotels.

In a nanny state your guardian is the state. And it likes to know all the details about your flight in case of a problem. 60 bits of details, or 74 if you are a child. However if you are the pilot in charge of the plane (or ship or train) and responsible for all the passengers the state doesn’t care you about much only holding 15 pieces of information. It doesn’t really like you knowing this and hides it away on its website.

Normally when you tell your family about your flight its so they can find out that you arrived safely at your destination. However when you tell the state your flight details it’s because the state wants to keep your information in case you might turn out to be a terrorist within five years of your last trip.

 

Passengers:

1. Name as it appears on the reservation
2. Place of birth
3. Address
4. Sex
5. Nationality
6. Any contact telephone number
7. E-mail address
8. Type of travel document held
9. Number of travel document held
10. Expiry date of travel document held
11. Issuing state for travel document held
12. Issue date of travel document held
13. Where a travel document is not held, the type of identification relied upon together with the number, epiry date and issuing state of that identification
14. Travel status of passenger, which indicates whether reservation is confirmed or provisional and whether the passenger has checked in
15. The number of pieces and description of any baggage carried
16. Any documentation provided to the passenger in respect of his baggage
17. Date of intended travel
18. Ticket number
19. Date and place of ticket issue
20. Seat number allocated
21. Seat number requested
22. Check-in time, regardless of method
23. Date on which reservation was made
24. Identify of any person who made the reservation
25. Any travel agent used
26. Any other name that appears on the passenger’s reservation
27. Number of passengers on the same reservation
28. Complete travel itinerary for passengers on the same reservation
29. The fact that a reservation in respect of more than than one passenger has been divided due to a change in itinerary for one or more but not all of the passengers
30. Code share details [the name of any other carrier who will carry the passenger]
31. Method of payment used to purchase ticket or make a reservation
32. Details of the method of payment used, including the number of any credit, debit or other card used
33. Biling address
34. Booking reference number, passenger name record locator and other data locator used by the carrier to locate the passenger within its information system
35. The class of transport reserved
36. The fact that the reservation is in respect of a one-way journey
37. All historical changes to the reservation
38. General remarks
39. Other Service Information (OSI)
40. System Service Information (SSI) and System Service Request information (SSR)
41. Identity of individual who checked the passenger in for the voyage or flight or international service
42. Outbound Indicator, which identifies where a passenger is to travel on to from the united kingdom
43. Inbound Connection Indicator, which identifies where a passenger started his journey before he travels onto the united kingdom
44. The fact that the passenger is travelling as part of a group
45. The expiry date of any entry clearance held in respect of the united kingdom
46. Card number and type of any frequent flyer or similar scheme used
47. Automated Ticket Fare Quote (ATFQ), which indicates the fare quoted and charged
48. The vehicle registration number of any vehicle in which the passenger is travelling and which is being transported by ship or by aircraft or by through train or shuttle train and, if the vehicle has a trailer, the trailer registration number.
49. The flight number, ship name, train service number or carrier running number
50. Name of carrier
51. Nationality of ship
52. Scheduled departure date
53. Scheduled departure time
54. Scheduled arrival date
55. Scheduled arrival time
56. Place and country from which the voyage or flight or international service departed immediately prior to the arrival into the United Kingdom
57. Place in the United Kingdom into which the the voyage or flight or international service first arrives from overseas
58. Any place in the United Kingdom to which a voyage or flight or international service which has arrived into the United Kingdom from oversea will subsequently go
59. Number of passengers on service
60. The fact that the passenger is under the age of eighteen and unaccompanied and if so –
61. Age
62. Languages spoken
63. Any special instructions provided
64. The name of any departure agent who will receive instructions regarding the care of the passenger
65. The name of any transit agent who will receive instructions regarding the care of the passenger
66. The name of any arrival agent who will receive instructions regarding the care of the passenger
    The following details in respect of the guardian on departure –
67. Name
68. Address
69. Any contact telephone number
70. Relationship to passenger
    The following details in respect of the guardian on arrival –
71. Name
72. Address
73. Any contact telephone number
74. Relationship to passenger

Crew:

1. Full name
2. Gender
3. Date of birth
4. Nationality
5. Type of travel document held
6. Number of travel document held
7. Expiry date of travel document held
8. Issuing State of travel document held
9. Where a travel document is not held, the type of identification relied upon together with the number,
   expiry date and issuing State of that identification
10. The vehicle registration number of any vehicle in which the member of crew is travelling and which is
    being transported by ship or by aircraft or by through train or shuttle train and, if the vehicle has a trailer, the
    trailer registration number
11. The number of crew on board the ship or aircraft or through train or shuttle train
12. The fact that the person is a member of crew
13. In relation to crew on a ship—
14. The place of birth of the member of crew
15. The rank, rating or equivalent of the member of crew.

Information from here.

SBML

1
Demetrius
May 10, 2011 at 13:15

As a chap what is long in the tooth, I wonder if the State could enable people like me to access this information readily and easily. It would save me a great deal of time and trouble checking and double checking all the paperwork.

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SadButMadLad
May 10, 2011 at 13:20

You can put in a Subject Access Request. Only £10. Though I don’t think that was what you were thinking of.

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SandraZ (Panama City)
May 10, 2011 at 13:33

This is beyond ridiculous!!! I wonder if the same thing applies to the Elites every time they take a biz trip?
and Hi from Panama!! (actually traveling in Europe right now)

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SadButMadLad
May 10, 2011 at 14:02

Correct me if I’m wrong but if you fly a private plane (or are a passenger in a private business jet) all this information is not recorded. You still have to go through customs/immigration.

Either TPTB think business people who can afford their own planes aren’t security risks (which by implication means that us plebs are always a security risk) or they think that terrorists can’t afford trips in private jets.

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JuliaM
May 10, 2011 at 17:47

Yes, after all, the 9/11 hijackers were all poor goatherders, radicalised by poverty and…

Oh. Wait.

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EasyGent
May 11, 2011 at 10:48

All passengers on Private Jets have to register with the Boarder Agency at least 24 hours before departure, ditto all inbound flights to the UK.

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Blue Eyes
May 10, 2011 at 13:48

To be honest I’m not sure I care very much. Is the information used for anything? Only in retrospect such as if a bomb goes off or if HMG is keeping an eye on someone specific. Nobody at MI5 gives a monkey’s where I go on holiday even thought they may have that information in a database.

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SadButMadLad
May 10, 2011 at 14:10

To be honest I don’t care too much what information is held as the information is already held by the travel agents, the airline, my credit card company, etc.

What I do care about is that they are holding it for reasons that are illogical and don’t actually mean anything and that they are holding it one place. All that information, for 200 million people per year, is a lot of chaff. And in that chaff you expect the security “experts” to find their needles? No way. All the people who work at the operation center in Wythenshaw are security vetted, but like CRBs and ISAs it doesn’t say anything about the staff might do in the future. All that information in one place could easily be used to create false identities. And what if a mistake occurs (the data is input by humans in the first place), what then?

The implication of storing all the data is that everyone is a potential criminal.

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Anoraknophobia
May 10, 2011 at 14:11

Not really sure where to start with this one.

*shakes head sadly*

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Anoraknophobia
May 10, 2011 at 14:12

Luckily SBML has more patience than I do!

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Blue Eyes
May 10, 2011 at 16:24

Tomorrow morning I could go out of my flat and sit next to the road and note down the number plate of each passing car, the make and model and colour of the car and a description of the driver. If you were one of those drivers would you be worried about an intrusion into your private life?

I am not worried about the collection of reams of data, apart from the cost to me as a taxpayer. If the information turned out to be being used to measure against carbon points or some such other nonsense THEN I would be annoyed.

It seems to me that lots of people need to have a cup of tea and a calm down.

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Anoraknophobia
May 10, 2011 at 17:00

Despite not being worried yourself, you’ve highlighted two of my biggest concerns:

1) To paraphrase your comment: If the information turned out [in the future] to be being used to measure INSERT OBJECTIONABLE DATA USAGE or some such other nonsense THEN I would be annoyed. It’s a bit late by then…

2) As you say, it costs money (and as it’s public money, part of it was mine at one point).

And don’t even get me started on the inability of UK Gov to keep its data secure. Imagine if, during the 80′s, the IRA got its mitts on a database containing people’s address and occupation. You may think this is a far fetched scenario; these days, I don’t.

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SadButMadLad
May 11, 2011 at 08:01

As Tractor Gent says below, function creep. According to news the database is going EU wide with other countries having the ability to examine the UK database. So everyone is now going to have to worry about other countries whose judicial system is not fair or whose police are corrupt grabbing people under the European Arrest Warrant and via the Passenger Name Record database.

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Tractor Gent
May 10, 2011 at 17:06

Function Creep. Once the data is there you can guarantee that some busybody will think up a new use for it, and not for our benefit either.
The Information Commissioner is supposed to keep it in check but he is resource-limited and has relatively blunt incisors.

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Time Traveller
May 10, 2011 at 19:26

It’s the fact that it probably ISN’T used for anything that concerns me because of the disproportionate costs involved. Like all these expensive surveillance cameras that we cannot afford to maintain or monitor, we’re gathering vast quantities of data at huge expense to the taxpayer and considerable inconvenience to the largely law-abiding psassengers.

There appears to be no consistency either: the last time I travelled via Dover, my passport wasn’t checked at all, let alone fed into the database, whereas, sailing into Newhaven it can take up to an hour just to reach the passport readers. And don’t get me started on the differences between flying to France and taking Eurostar.. Suffice to say, there appears to be a belief that it is more likely for somebody to board a flight at 30,000 feet and 600 mph than a train at zero feet and 180mph.

The Borders Agency is just a vast job creation scheme.

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Engineer
May 10, 2011 at 13:59

Easy – don’t use aeroplanes. This simple plan also saves you from the living hellholes sometimes referred to as airports.

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SadButMadLad
May 10, 2011 at 14:14

They store it even if you go by planes, trains, and automobiles or ships, though the amount of detail varies according to the travel medium. See items 48, 49, 51.

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Smoking Hot
May 10, 2011 at 15:03

Except that the e-borders programme is in total disarry. Raytheon, the prime company who was suppling and implementing this e-borders prog was sacked last year.

Oh, and foreigners aren’t on it either :-
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/security-management/2010/04/08/eu-data-laws-force-e-borders-compromise-40088561/

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Rob
May 10, 2011 at 15:03

An ‘eBorder’. Not an actual border, at which people can be denied entry, but an ‘eBorder’, which is useful for collecting shitloads of useless data but not much else.

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Smoking Hot
May 10, 2011 at 15:10

Oh, and if one person books for a group only that persons details relating to their address etc are taken. The rest of group only supply passport details when travelling … nothing more.

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Smoking Hot
May 10, 2011 at 15:18

My Bulgarian wife’s friends came to UK last month. One of the group had lost her passport at home so she used her friends passport. Booked her flight and had a lovely time here in the UK and then went home.

l also seem to remember that there was no record of Assange coming into UK?

We are talking here about a government computer system though, folks … when has ever one of these worked?

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Cascadian
May 10, 2011 at 15:57

After successfully killing off most industry, the socialists are now intent on destroying one of the last viable industries-tourism. The USA is just as bad.

I fail to see what is enchanting about tourism these days, once air travel had some cachet, it has since been reduced to cattle-class, most hotels are bed-bug infested hellholes, actual airfares can be multiplied by a factor of four or five the advertised rate to account for taxes. Short haul flights that used to take a couple of hours now are all-day ordeals involving ridiculous “security” checks. Count me out, I am content to stay home.

I do wish our overlords were subjected to these petty needless irritations every time they travelled.

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Blue Eyes
May 10, 2011 at 16:26

Tourism wouldn’t be much of an industry if only a few people could afford it, would it?!

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gladiolys
May 10, 2011 at 17:16

Would you fly if it acquired some new “cachet”?

I don’t think socialists are killing off tourism. I think you’ll find it was the Bush Republican government that started this off by requiring all this information available from the client, sorry, compliant, I mean co-operative ally states before any flier could even get on a plane to visit USA. We, as yapping lapdogs, went along. It means I won’t ever visit USA again, sadly.

Eurostar is efficient, and comfortable with more toilets than an aeroplane, and European trains are much better than ours, and you get to see the countryside. I guess it will be Europe from now on.

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Cascadian
May 10, 2011 at 18:52

Blue eyes-I fail to see where I suggest restricting travel, I am however in favour of removing most of the”security” infrastructure and deleting the associated government taxes, that would surely boost tourism revenues.

Gladiolys-You have come to the correct conclusion, boycott travel to countries that insist on petty and annoying bureaucracy. Without getting into a discussion about GWB (whom I also disagreed with on this subject) I stand by my statement that socialists continue to make air-travel almost unbearable (for clarity I regard the camoron as a socialist.) You may wish to take your Eurostar trip quickly I fear recent events will convince our overlords to impose an equally onerous system on international train travel soon.

Finally, only at Mme Raccoon’s bar can you find common cause with “Fidel” while berating socialist government.

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Fidel
May 10, 2011 at 16:16

I’m with Cascadian on this, there is absolutely no pleasure in travelling by Air these days. It’s a necessary evil to be endured in order to get quickly (in theory!) from one place to another. I don’t know why the sweating mongs all feel the need to behave like stampeding cattle, and what is so incredibly important about being first off the bloody plane anyway?

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Cascadian
May 10, 2011 at 19:01

They are good little sheeple, and they need to be first in line at the baggage carousel. Line-ups (queques in your parlance) are obviously a very important part of the tourist experience.

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Sam
May 10, 2011 at 20:04

As a non-EU citizen, being first off the plane means I don’t have to queue up in the immigration line. Also the officers are actually friendly as they haven’t seen anyone for the past hour, and don’t ask any questions.

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Saul
May 10, 2011 at 16:23

Watch the ‘Liquid Bomb Plot’ all will be revealed.

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Smoking Hot
May 10, 2011 at 16:30

Passengers aka ‘self loading freight’ by the airline industry.

@Saul … don’t think l’ll bother thanks. The security circus annoys me enough as it is.

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Saul
May 10, 2011 at 22:34

It’s not a circus, this is serious stuff and you would be advised to take it more seriously.