Thereâs no such thing as big society
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Mrs Thatcherâs words, almost always taken out of context, inspired me when I read of David Cameronâs latest project. Mrs Thatcher was, of course, completely correct: there is no such thing as society, only the individuals, families and other voluntary groupings that people may define themselves by.
Mr Cameron, as many other social democrats are wont to do, is trying to disprove her words by subverting a reference to her famous quotation.
There are so many, many things that are wrong-headed about âthe Big Societyâ that I hardly know where to start. There is an article outlining a leaked announcement (remember those? They werenât supposed to be happening any more!) at City AM:
THE Prime Minister will today announce plans to fund charitable projects using hundreds of millions of pounds that is lying dormant in unclaimed bank accounts.
In one sentence, one simple sentence, an entire universe of self-righteous complacency is laid bare:
- Hundreds of millions of pounds of other peopleâs money, money that could potentially be sitting there for a rainy day, or for retirement, or some other purpose. But that purpose is not as noble as David Cameronâs âvisionâ, is it?
- If this was being done by anyone else, even a charity, would it not be called âbare-faced theftâ?
- âCharitableâ projects? By whose definition? And since when does giving taxpayersâ money, extorted with menaces, taken without consent, constitute âcharityâ?
- Which wise and noble people are we going to entrust this money to? More quangos and fake charities that will be used to peddle puritan nonsense for the benefit of the children? Anti-smokers, anti-drinkers, anti-fooders, every hateful self-righteous, priggish collection of bullies, nannies and interfering busybodies, perhaps?
David Cameron will detail proposals to siphon off money from accounts that havenât been used in the last 15 years or more, and use the cash to fund schemes in the voluntary sector.
Iâm sure Iâve got bank accounts lying around that havenât been touched for fifteen years, probably because they only have pennies in them. That still doesnât mean that the Prime Minister is allowed to steal these paltry sums from me, does it?
A new wholesale bank will be responsible for doling out the money â thought to total up to £400m â to charities and other voluntary organisations that apply for grants.
Oh, my word! So the favoured few who have the ear of unelected quangocrats in this new wholesale bank will be given money entirely unlawfully taken from frugal people and be allowed to squander it on anything that takes their fancy, will they?
I cannot believe the bare-faced effrontery of this poltroon! And yet, around the country, people are quietly nodding to themselves at what a good idea this theft will be!
Cameron is hoping the scheme, which will be announced at a speech in Liverpool later today, will prove that his plans for a âBig Societyâ have not been put on ice in the face of the tightest spending squeeze in Britainâs peacetime history.
Mr Cameron is clearly no different than his predecessor in believing that the omniscient state is wiser at spending our savings than we are. The only difference was that even Gordon brown did not have the temerity to baldly steal money out of our bank accounts to fund his pet projects.
Is there even a banana republic dictator that would steal so shamelessly?
July 20, 2010 at 14:32
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Is this where those Nigerians got the idea for the 916 scam?
July 20, 2010 at 14:22
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I take a charitable view here and assume there is method in Cameronâs
madness. I suspect that âBig Societyâ is a ploy to wean the British off the
nanny state or at least prepare some ground ready for when austerity becomes a
fact and public services are a shadow of what they are now (apart from the
NHS, which we know is going to become a completely different animal, although
eventual incorporation into the âBig Societyâ is plausible). This âBig
Societyâ is potentially a radical rethink on how we provide for ourselves that
what we currently expect local and central government to provide for us now.
The clue is the setting up of trained local organizers who when the crunch
comes can step in to mobilize the local population to enable them to be able
to be self reliant and fend for themselves albeit it in local collectives.
Like most of the new governmentâs policies they are bold and radical and
designed to return better standards and values to society and to balance the
countries books and restore competitiveness. Certainly âBig Stateâ Labour
(socialist) style has not worked and in fact brought the the UK to a point
where it is socially and economically nearly bankrupt. In the absence of any
other constructive solutions it is better to give âBig Societyâ some
support.
July 20, 2010 at 13:39
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Some people might be underestimating the ability of the self-righteous to
push on with ideas that from the beginning are unworkable. It smells like the
new managements putting their stamp on.
July 20, 2010 at 13:31
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Sorry â should have read âHegelian good cop-bad copâ â fingers before
thoughts..
- July 20, 2010 at 13:29
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When this âBig Societyâ guff was first mooted during the General Election
campaigning, for me it set off some alarm bells, since the One Big Idea that
is certainly coming our way is the Civic Society â which is a dogâs breakfast
of half-baked Fabian neo-Marxist claptrap from the stinking stables of Gramsci
and Foucault. This is the Big Idea behind domestic policy here and in the
States, France and pretty well everywhere else. People â these politicians are
poison. Politicos like Cameron, Obama, Merkel, Sarkozy et alia are hell-bent
on imposing this Fabian model â usually by stealth, using the well-worn good
Hegelian cop-bad cop method (aka Labour-Conservative).
July 20, 2010 at 12:27
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Surely money doesnât lie unused in a âdormantâ bank account, just as it
doesnât lie in an âactiveâ account, it is lent out to other people. In other
words there is no pile of âunusedâ money.
On a related topic; why are some banks so against âdormantâ accounts? It
must cost far more to chase after ârate tarts. Personally I would love to have
an account where I could put away ârainy dayâ money knowing that it was safe,
not losing value and earning a decent, if not necessarily the best, rate of
interest.
July 20, 2010 at 13:54
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âOn a related topic; why are some banks so against
July 20, 2010 at 10:57
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I seem to remember the GB plan was not to âtakeâ the money but merely to
âborrowâ it for an indefinite period.
The money would be collected from dormant accounts and spent, and whenever
anyone put in a claim for their own dosh they get reimbursed by the Government
(taxpayer). What they are banking on is inertia with respect to people
checking old accounts. They can spend a lump sum now with a big fanfare and
pay it back in dribs and drabs.
Although to me it is tantamount to theft, the Government doesnât intend to
deprive us of these pennies as they are likely to be repayable on demand, so
probably isnât theft as the law would see it.(Though a jury might
disagree!)
A question that needs answering: If I have money in a dormant account it
attracts interest. If the Gov. takes that money and I later claim it back will
it reimburse the cash *and* the lost interest that should have been building
up?
July 20, 2010 at 10:40
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With some experience, little of it good, I have cause for concern on the
competencies and motivations of those funded by the public purse to take more
money from them and then assess who is worthy to get whatâs been taken,
especially after a nice cut for âexpensesâ.
July 20, 2010 at 10:27
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We donât actually have the details yet, do we?
But whether itâs as described or not, no way will it realise a take of
July 20, 2010 at 09:03
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Perhaps Mr Cameron is relying on a transatlantic precedent for his
authority to commit this theft:
âWhen the President does it, that means it
is not illegal.â
Richard M. Nixon
July 20, 2010 at 08:38
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Will any attempt be made to find out if someone living is entitled to this
money? Like grandchildren and such. Just because they donât know about it
doesnât give the government the right to spend it.
July 20, 2010 at 13:20
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I believe the criteria is that the client has been uncontactable for 15
years, and that the bank will have to have made reasonable endeavours to
contact them.
I think T J W is right. But then on the other hand I know I have about
67p in an old student account registered to a student house from more than
15 years ago, I donât mind the government stealing that, Iâm more worried
about the thousands from my pay packet every month.
July 20, 2010 at 08:28
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Good article, Thaddeus.
Indeed, itâs stealing from us in order to give to the stateâs mates. Canât
have the public doing what it wants with its own money, now can we?
July 20, 2010 at 08:23
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Actually Gordon Brown proposed exactly that and a social investment bank to
fund community projects to boot; this is actually a fair amount of rehashed
labour policyâ¦
July 20, 2010 at 08:36
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Ah, Jules, but Gordon Brown never actually did this. I fear that
Cameron actually will do this.
July 20, 2010 at 10:38
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I doubt it. GB never did it because itâs an administrative and legal
minefield. Eleanorâs point, below, illustrates one of the pitfalls: the
time and effort (=money) it takes to be certain that there is no residual
claimant makes it a non-starter.
Equally, an attempt to enact legislation designed to expropriate
dormant accounts would probably hit the buffers amongst howls of protest â
echoing the indignation expressed in your piece.
If somebody with the overarching sense of entitlement of Gordon Brown
abandons a plan, you can be confident that the game isnât worth the
candle.
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