Savile and the Zombie Factoids – West Yorkshire Police Report.

by Anna Raccoon on August 22, 2013

Screen Shot 2014-04-23 at 17.34.27 1Another day, another expensive inquiry into the ubiquitous ‘Savile allegations’. Operation Newgreen, the ‘Oh my God, someone’s making allegations that West Yorkshire Police were complicit in concealing Savile’s ‘offending’ – we’d better hold an Inquiry’ knicker waving exercise that has been convulsing West Yorkshire Police.

The Police, nationally, are well aware that, if you broadcast a programme on national television, followed by nationwide newspaper coverage, that ‘x’  – now deceased – is a paedophile and that lawyers are lining up to formulate civil claims against their estate, you will awaken long buried memories in people of once meeting that individual, and that the knowledge that other people are making compensation claims means they will no longer be ‘alone’. If you add in the fact that anyone making such claims ‘will be believed’, then you can be assured that the phone lines will be busy. Thus it was that ‘within 24 hours’ of an obscure made-for-TV ‘fictumentary’ being aired – West Yorkshire police had agreed a budget,  committed specially trained personnel, and were ready and waiting for the onslaught of ‘victims’ requiring support and advice.

The report doesn’t actually investigate any of the ‘Allegator victims’© raised from their torpor to snap at Savile’s heels – or rather his multi-million pound estate. Not investigating victim’s accounts is now ‘national policy’.

“The majority of these crime reports have been finalised and recorded as having being committed by Savile, in line with national policy.”

Instructions were issued to make sure that there were no rogue investigations carried out by enterprising police forces and that Operation Newgreen remained true to the ‘nationally agreed’ policy of not actually investigating anything concerning victims…(page 21 Newgreen report) so we have no details of any ‘victims’ stories.

What it does do is painstakingly take apart some of the 150 people who were part of the ’600 people who came forward to provide information to Operation Yewtree’ – for you see, not all the people who came forward to Yewtree were alleged victims, some were merely repeating tittle tattle that they thought Yewtree should know about. And some of those people were West Yorkshire policemen. Some of the stories that they had to tell have appeared in national newspapers (policemen leaking information to national newspapers? Whodathought it?) They are now enshrined in the national psyche as Zombie factoids. Shot down by painstaking investigation and interviewing – not the fallible memory of traumatised ‘victims’ who can’t be expected to remember whether it was 1978 or 1988 that they were raped in a crowded hotel foyer by a national celebrity – but truthful policemen, trained in the art of recounting solid facts.  Not that shooting them down will do any good – the factoids are already up and running for the Augean stables of conspiracy sites muttering ‘whitewash’, ‘cover-up’ and ‘pathetic excuses’…

Still, for the benefit of those interested in the truth, here are a few spent carcasses of some of those Zombie factoids:

At 7.5 (all these references refer to the Newgreen report) In October 2012, media reported that Savile had been investigated by the police in relation to offences of indecency involving ‘young girls’ (age not stipulated) – an employee of Savile’s nightclub was quoted as saying that ‘he had paid them (the police) off’.

Radio Leeds then conducted their own interview with this unnamed employee who had told them that he had been misquoted (surprise!) regarding ‘paying off the police’. The West Yorkshire Police (WYP)have also traced this employee and he has reconfirmed that he was misquoted by the media – he had actually said Savile had paid off the alleged victim’s families.

However, WYP didn’t leave it at that, they also trawled through the CPS records and court records to see if they could find any trace of such a prosecution ever being started, never mind withdrawn. Nothing. Zilch. Just the word of an ex-employee of the nightclub.

Still they didn’t rest. They trawled through the Yewtree ‘victim’s’ reports – surely this person would have come forward and told their story now – after all, they had allegedly been prepared to stand up in court 50 years ago? Nothing. Zilch. Just a misquoted newspaper report of an allegation.

At 7.9. The 1964 ledger compiled by the Metropolitan Paedophile unit that the HMIC report ‘Mistakes were made’ said should have been sent to West Yorkshire police.

This is the famous ledger that HMIC ‘linked to Savile to Duncroft school’ as early as 1964. Only obliquely! It named Savile as a possible visitor to the house of a musician who was later found to be living off the immoral earnings of two prostitutes who had earlier attended Duncroft. There was no suggestion that Savile had even met the two girls! Still ‘join the dots’ is a popular zombie game…

West Yorkshire police are puzzled as to why the HMIC report ‘should have been sent’ to them – for there are no mentions in the ledger of any connections to West Yorkshire!

At 7.11 The anonymous letter received by MPS in 1998.

WYP went to the trouble of tracing the Met officer who received this letter. He apparently received more than one such letter, which he was of the opinion were written by the same anonymous author. He acknowledged that at the time there was a popular rumour circulating in his department that ‘Savile was a paedophile’ – a claim refuted by his senior officer. However, a series of ‘green ink’ anonymous letters alleging Savile was a paedophile would be more than sufficient to start such a rumour.

They also traced the WYP officer to whom the Met officer had imparted this information. He handed the information over to a Detective Inspector who headed the equivalent unit in WYP. All 24 police officers who worked in this unit at the time, many now retired, have been traced and interviewed. None of them have any recollection of receiving a copy of this anonymous letter, or what happened to it. At 7.19 the force acknowledge that even though the Met police had been unable to verify the information – they should have recorded it.

At 7.21 The HMIC report claimed that in 2003 the Met police ‘spoke with’ a woman who claimed to have been assaulted at a recording of Top of the Pops (is this the famous ‘hand on bum’ incident?) The HMIC said this information should have been passed on to West Yorkshire Police. Again WYP are mystified – the victim was not from Yorkshire, nor was the offence allegedly carried out in Yorkshire, nor was any prosecution mooted against anyone from Yorkshire.

At 7.22 The infamous 2007 Duncroft allegations. Surrey Police did make enquiries of WYP as to whether they had any intelligence on ‘Savile the paedophile’. They did it via the anti-corruption unit because not unreasonably (and faced with the sort of ‘Allegator victims’© that were capable of waving forged letters from Surrey police around) they didn’t want to risk some enterprising policeman earning himself a few bob from a tabloid by reporting that a national celebrity was under investigation (as if!). The WYP replied that there was only one crime report concerning Savile – as the innocent victim of having his spectacles stolen!

There was only a telephone conversation at this stage, with the promised follow up of a report. Neither Surrey Police nor WYP have any record of this promised report having been sent.

Surrey Police did interview Savile under caution. They sent him a letter asking him to make contact – a letter which he promptly mislaid. He asked his friend Inspector Mick Starkey (tactfully described as DI(A) in the report – no one wants to be publicly identified as a fried of Savile’s these days!) to find out who he was supposed to be contacting in Surrey. Mick Starkey phoned the Surrey police control room, found out who Savile was supposed to be talking to and passed on a message giving that policeman Savile’s phone number – all done on the official recorded police telephone lines.

The intelligence thus gleaned from Surrey was correctly logged onto WYP system, in a confidential section – and importantly ‘tagged‘ so that its existence would show up in any subsequent search, but without making the salacious details apparent to any enterprising policeman with a hot line to the Daily Mirror (as if!). The full report could then be accessed by any genuine future enquiry.

At 7.33 Police Officers who had made reports to Operation Yewtree.

Not surprisingly, the words of an ex-police officer would have been taken extremely seriously by Operation Yewtree. They do not suffer from the ‘memory distortions’ of traumatised victims, and could be expected to be truthful, factual, objective and not salacious. Thus when one retired officer reported that he had met an ‘angry Savile’ jogging in Roundhay Park, shortly followed by an ‘upset’ female stating that Savile was a ‘horrible man’ who she wished would not come into the cafe that he believed she worked in – it was taken very seriously.

WYP have traced the owners of the cafe and all their former female employees. They all say that Savile came in regularly, they had become good friends with him, and that he never behaved or spoke inappropriately to them. He took them to London to see the filming of Top of the Pops and Jim’ll Fix It and always behaved like a gentleman. The only record WYP could find of any police presence at the cafe, or anything involving a female, was one woman who complained of having been short changed in the cafe whilst Savile was drinking tea there.

WYP have also traced all 21 former colleagues of the officer who made this claim to Yewtree – none of them have any recollection of the incident, or of any claims being bandied around alleging a sexual offence.

Now in the HMIC report this incident was referred to as a ‘victim attempting to report an offence’ by Savile at a prior date to Yewtree. However, the officer concerned has now confirmed to WYP that no such allegation was made to them at the time nor subsequently!

At 7.36 Yet another retired officer – offering the ‘ooh, that proves it’ information that Savile had volunteered the use of his flat to support the policing operation of the Robbie Williams concert in 2006. The offer wasn’t taken up. An entertaining example of the ‘serious allegations’ that were made to Operation Yewtree…

At 7.37 And another retired officer reported to Yewtree that there were ‘rumours’ that Savile was a ‘pervert’. When interviewed by WYP he was unable to provide any more information as to the basis of these ‘rumours’.

At 7.38 Yet another ‘retired police officer’ ringing Yewtree to report that Savile took ‘young girls’ (age unspecified) to his barge in Leeds for parties. Again, challenged by an interview from WYP he was unable to substantiate this. Edited on August 31st 2013 by Anna to add the priceless information that Savile couldn’t have taken anyone to this barge in the 1970s as alleged – the barge sunk in 1959 and remained resolutely underwater until cleared away by the volunteers cleaning the canal in 1970s. So much for information received from ‘impeccable sources’….

At 7.39 A person later described as having a ‘vivid imagination’ reported to Yewtree that two of his/her ex-partners had knowledge of Savile’s sexual abuse. Both ex-partners were traced and interviewed and independently denied having any knowledge of the incidents or even having met Savile…(!!!)

At 7.44 The famous ‘absconder’ who spent the night in Savile’s flat. Sometimes this particular Zombie Factoid is even enlarged to be a Duncroft absconder…of all the people who have made allegations regarding Savile’s offending, none has a greater claim to legitimacy than this young lady – for Savile had even recorded details of the incident in his personal diaries, and his autobiography now in the possession of WYP. A cut and dried claim for compensation from Savile’s estate one might think. No need to clutch the yellowing picture of you standing in front of Savile’s car as evidence that he abused you – you have it in the man’s own words that you spent the night in his apartment! Anything could have happened to you.

But there’s a thing – amongst the throng of eager ’Allegator victims’© – not one claims to have been this young lady! Nor can WYP have any records that support the incident ever having occurred. They can find details of a female officer attending both Savile’s flat and his club whilst searching for a female reported missing by her parents – not an unexpected event for Savile’s club was ‘the place to be seen’ in the words of the officer and a natural magnet for young people – but he doesn’t remember ever seeing anyone other than teenagers aged 16/17 at the club and sweet bugger all at Savile apartment. He did add that he thought Savile was a ‘weirdo’ because he used to dye his hair garish colours…

At 7.50 Another retired officer reported that ‘he remembered’ that another unit had conducted an investigation into allegations of indecent assault by Savile. He named the unit responsible. The WYP traced all those members of the team still alive – and none of them remembered carrying out any such investigation. Nor is there any record of any such investigation.

How many Zombie Factoids is that now? I’ve lost count. All shot down, but all no doubt staggering into the middle distance muttering ‘cover-up’. They will be regurgitated by the main stream media. They are not about to let the facts get in the way of a good story.

For those of us more interested in actual truth, we are still where we started; numerous allegations – and the only ones which have seen the light of day – Jimmy Savile’s niece, now the subject of 11 signed statements to Police calling her a liar, the Duncroft girls with their forged letter and supporting cast of utter liars such as Bebe Roberts, even Police Officers reporting to Yewtree have been shown to be nonsense – all that remains are the unpublicised allegations and in those we ‘must believe‘ for the BBC is about to give each one of the ’Allegator victims’© £33,000 a piece of licence fee payer’s monies rather than risk traumatising them by actually subjecting their claims to the harsh light of day….

‘Giving Victims a Voice’ is starting to resemble the Holy Bible – something that doesn’t bear any examination of the facts, but which sees you denounced as an infidel if you don’t swallow hook, line, and sinker.

The graphic attached to this post entertained me – it seems even a Goat victim must not be identified and thus pixellated – ‘will no one think of the Kids?’

Has the country gone stark staring mad?

Tagged as: #Yewtree, Jimmy Savile, Operation Newgreen, Operation Yewtree, West Yorkshire Police

{ 113 comments }

Jonathan MasonAugust 27, 2013 at 17:55

We were all indoctrinated in our upbringing with the idea that British Justice was the best in the world, and maybe it was true in colonial administrations where British administrators were ex-public schoolboys who were above local politics.

After WWII when TV came along, there was No Hiding Place, Softly Softly, Barlow, Dixon, Z Cars, Inspector Morse, Inspector Frost, The Sweeney, Cracker, New Scotland Yard, Rumpole, etc. which reassured us that even if the system occasionally creaked, there were any number of maverick detectives there to buck the system and make sure it all turned out right in the end.

However, with all this Savile stuff, you wonder whether the countries that have investigating judges, or at least judges who direct the investigation, don’t have a better system with more accountability than just leaving everything up to “the police”, a hotch-potch of numerous provincial police forces with very little overall supervision or public accountability. I suppose that is what the new police commissioners are supposed to address, but we will see how they go about commissioning policing.

Moor LarkinAugust 29, 2013 at 08:56

@Jonathan Mason @better system with more accountability than just leaving everything up to “the police” @
It’s not been “up to the police” for some years. The Police are now purely an enforcement and prosecution body. The CPS is a separate body created to do exactly what you were proposing. The days of Z-Cars are long gone. I have read accounts that the police do not disclose contrary evidence they have uncovered in the course of their “inquiries”, because their job is to get people prosecuted and they are judged on the success of their numbers. The CPS is then responsible for the success of the “conviction”, not the police, so if a defence team knows to ask for the evidence the police hold, then they do of course hand it over, but by then the collapse of the prosecution is no longer their problem. I personally sat on a jury and the entire case was abandoned because the police witnesses started testifying about evidence the defence lawyer had never heard of before that moment.

There does seem genuine cause to believe that the bigger police forces have long become subject to that Bureaucratic Law – Pournelle’s was it? There are pressures to break up huge forces such as the Met, and as is so often the case in Britain it is not more centralisation of powers that is needed, but rather, much less of it. The current Savilisation of the country seemed to be being powered direct from the DPP via his CPS system. The Levitt Report gave Yewtree the green light.

Rocky Racoon (No relation)August 27, 2013 at 06:51

Merion Jones described Duncroft as a strange place with celebrities/famous people regularly dropping in, which he found odd. Could another email by researcher Hannah Livingstone provide an answer? Hannah explains one of the witnesses said her father was a BBC radio producer, the witness also said that a number of the girls at Duncroft were from the ‘higher echelons’, the implication being the girls or their family were well connected to famous people, hence well known faces visiting Duncroft. Yet the BBC allowed Merion Jones to give his opinion of Duncroft as ‘sinister’ without any supporting evidence other than the claims about Savile, who I believe was introduced to the school by the mother of one of the girls at the school.

rabbitawayAugust 27, 2013 at 09:27

Join in – if you will

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-savile-scoop-journalist-liz-mackeans-says-corporation-has-become-get-rich-quick-scheme-officer

Sally StevensAugust 29, 2013 at 01:46

The producer was Alastair Scott-Johnson, who produced the very successful “The Navy Lark” for BBC Radio for at least 20 years, and it was still in production in 1977. His adopted daughter is front and center in this stew.

There were really not a lot of celebrities visiting Duncroft, just Jimmy Savile, James Robertson Justice and John Gregson (popular actors, who were personal friends of Margaret Jones and Dr. Pamela Mason, the supervising psychiatrist, whose husband was a producer at Shepperton, where both JRJ and Gregson filmed on a regular basis.) Jimmy Savile would not have been a personal friend of either Margaret Jones or Pamela Mason, he was a bit of a wild card for them. Though not in their social circle, he certainly had the bona fides via his OBE, connections with the Royals, etc, and so on. And the girls wanted him to visit, because of his connections to rock music at the very least. Jimmy was introduced by the mother of Susan B. The mother worked at Broadmoor in a nursing capacity as I recall, had seen Jimmy there and what good work he was doing with the patients there, and suggested to Margaret Jones that she might consider him as a visitor.

Sally StevensAugust 29, 2013 at 01:57

James Robertson Justice and John Gregson both died in 1975, and I was assured by MWT that, despite Bebe Roberts’ attempts to cast aspersions against JRJ via Friends Reunited, that he had no interest in JRJ. Still have that email.

Speaking of MWT, looks like the UK and Portuguese plods are suddenly hot on the trail of the Maddie McCann. Good. Keep the effing media as far away as possible – you’ll get there a lot faster.

Sally StevensAugust 27, 2013 at 01:13

I know the identity of R2 and she never mentioned receiving any letter during our communications, and why would she receive a letter anyway? She has further told me that she never encountered Savile while she was at Duncroft. The only person entitled to such a letter would be the complainant, not a big stretch to figure out who that was, and then they all joined in with the “I got a letter” farce. Another case of “I saw Goody Proctor talking to the Devil.” Where is Increase Mather when we need him??

Margaret JervisAugust 27, 2013 at 01:24

It all ended in Salem when they started accusing the witchhunters…. though no doubt many others got off

Sally StevensAugust 27, 2013 at 01:38

“Increase Mather, however, understood that innocent blood was being shed, and that the Salem court ran rampant without concern for the advice of the clerical guides, an unprecedented development in the Puritan Colony. In the witchcraft trials that grew out of the supposed afflictions of young girls in Salem Village, Mather may also have seen the symptoms of a fundamentally changing Puritan world. He was caught in the middle of it, along with the rest of New England, and no doubt agreed with his friend Thomas Brattle that, “ages will not wear off that reproach and those stains which these things will leave behind them upon our land.” http://salem.lib.virginia.edu/people/i_mather.html

Well, Salem enjoys an excellent tourist trade these days!

therealguyfauxAugust 27, 2013 at 02:54

Does it ever!

Their attitude is that of “Hey, whatever sells!” The same Yankee traders, who were the backbone of the Salem economy in the pre-American Civil War era of the clipper ships, figured that, rather than try to live down the whole sordid chapter of their history a century and a half previously, they would embrace it in a manner of speaking, so much so that a local product, Nathaniel Hawthorne (a descendant of the “Hanging Judge”) could write about the Trial era as a backdrop to The House Of The Seven Gables and contrast it to the beautiful prosperous Salem of his day, now made more beautiful by the peace of the two families (Maules and Pyncheons) reconciled at last. Salem achieves “closure”!

“A-yuh, we hung the witches, Bub– ‘course, we were pretty stupid religious fanatics in those days, but no longer, thank goodness! Wanna buy an official ‘Salem Witches’ Broom,’ Bub? A talisman, to ward off the Evil Eye? Pet shop’s got plenty o’ black cats, if yuh fancy that sort of house pet, lots o’ folks do! Book store’s got plenty o’ ‘how-to’s’ on spells and potions…”

Salem is nowadays much more reliant on witchcraft tourism than shipping; after steamships entered the picture, its maritime industry became only pleasure boating. Salem soon became a bedroom community to its much larger sister Boston, less than a half hour away by train, and remains so to this day. But witch-hanging is still a moneymaker– look at the seal of the city, the logo on their police cars:
http://mytravelswithkikiandbinky.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/salem_gh10.jpg

I have no doubt that at some point in the future, someone will do a “Jimmy Savile coach tour” or some such other nonsense related to all this fooferaw going on now. The Crown Jewels, after all, are not the ONLY reason people visit the Tower.

AnonAugust 27, 2013 at 03:54

Sadly, at the entrance to the cemetery where he is buried, there is a recently erected sign, “no coaches past this point”, so the “tourists” have to now walk up a hill. There was also a really interesting walk round his home City of Leeds, but that was cancelled when this idiotic storm broke – there is such huge interest out there, and one day the good will outweigh the bad I hope, and once again you will be able to have an informative walk round “Jimmy Savile’s Leeds”. Please God, no trinkets though!

Rocky Racoon (No relation)August 27, 2013 at 00:20

Having take a look at appendix 12 of the Pollard Report, the forged letter is more curious that I thought. I understood (R2) had said she received the letter dropping the case against Savile due to his age & health, and others were just aware of it, possibly told of it by (R2). But in emails by the Newsnight researcher Hannah Livingstone she states a few girls told her they’d received the letter as well….How? Would that not mean (you know who) knew their addresses ie they were in communication with each other? Or could it be no one received such a letter, they just said they had? Interestingly (R20) seems to claim to have received the letter, (R20) was the one who’s sister (not at Duncroft) was in a choir and claimed to have been kissed by Jimmy Savile.

Margaret JervisAugust 27, 2013 at 00:52

Interesting. Amazing how these ‘professionals’ miss the wood for the trees. But fortunately the BBC, bless it’s cotton socks, still has the integrity of documentation. Even if many there can’t read it. Or maybe some still can!

Margaret JervisAugust 25, 2013 at 19:39

@Anna @Duncan re the Elm – Fernbridge.

It’s my understanding Fay did not have much choice. But the ‘register’ isn’t genuine either. There’s much more that should come out about this. As two people from the children’s home (in Hounslow not Barnes) are awaiting trial and the possibility of more arrests it is unlikely that the full story will come out – and there is always a possibility misplaced sacrificial lambs – though I would think the prosecution is very weak. But the big political scalps appear to have gone.

Rocky Racoon (No relation)August 27, 2013 at 00:45

Didn’t all this stuff come from a woman who had a conviction, who’s B&B was used for child abuse, she didn’t notice a thing, claimed she was arrested under the terrorism act, folded the notice of arrest and hid it in her mouth (for hours?) and reproduced it for Chris Fay 6 years later. Oh and her children were in care. And Chris Fay seems to noted down what she said as gospel. The house isn’t massive, the loft extension was after she and her hubby left the building. So how did men going in and out with children get past her? A neighbour is referred to as a prostitute in the notes who says so, the convicted mother? There’s no indication Fay checked any of this, why is he only checking 25 years later?

Margaret JervisAugust 27, 2013 at 01:39

Why indeed. Carol Kasir lost her children through the 1982 raid. some years later she approached Naypic to try and help her get her children back from the ss. Why Naypic one might wonder? And what could they do to get her children back. You might well ask. But I think there may have been a quid pro quo. When Carol Kasir committed suicide in 1990 (leaving notes for her lover(s)) she took an over dose of insulin – she was a diabetic). It was at the inquest that Mary Moss made her ‘bumped off’ claims. However Naypic were intent at that time in getting names and accusations. There was a compo dimension. And sometimes these people were not that sensitive to the person who was being quarried. And sometimes the people being quarried, because they were desperate or had other problems, said things they regretted because they were not true….Sometimes people in these situations feel upset, isolated and guilty – it’s a shame that can’t speak its name because they are cornered by the people who only accept lies as the truth – and they have by this means, alienated themselves from people who do care.

Sally StevensAugust 25, 2013 at 16:11

We’ve just extended the PI statute here to two years, simply because it put too much pressure on the courts at one year.

Margaret JervisAugust 24, 2013 at 13:35

Sounds reasonable. But would never catch on here. See http://www.insidetime.org/articleview.asp?a=213

Interestingly ‘recovered memory’ is rarely claimed by the complainant in UK trials where there is no limitation period. But then magically pops up in civil claims against institutions after the criminal case. Of course there is a limitation rule in PI cases here – 3 years after discovery of the cause of action or 6 years from majority. So if that ‘discovery’ came late for some reason (usually couched in C-PTSD mumbo jumbo), you may ‘recover’. So first off ‘it’s always remembered’, and then, not.

Miss MildredAugust 24, 2013 at 10:48

All I can observe is that it is about time we had a statute of limitations, as many more civilized countries do apart from murder perhaps other crimes too.
This would put a stop to this stupid ‘lets believe what historical ‘victims’ allege’ and name and shame the real victims, who just might have some spare cash to splash’. Most of us ladies have put up with unwelcome attentions in the past when young and fresh looking. We are still perhaps feeling some resentment at probing hands and the ruination of a day in town! No compensation required. We did not know our prodding person; whether cash to splash or not, nor a name to append to the person either. There are a lot of manipulative persons out there, robbing us. See latest car insurance frauds prosecuted. Benefits fraud and therefore, historical allegation fraud re sexual accusations. MIND THE GAP and STOP THE GAP is what I say.

Jonathan MasonAugust 24, 2013 at 13:01

All I can observe is that it is about time we had a statute of limitations…

Seems an obvious thing after all these allegations from 30 years or even 40 years ago. Clearly at that distance a fair trial for the defendant is impossible, there will be no physical evidence, witnesses will have died, and alibi information will not be available.

A statute of limitations need not be absolute. In Florida it is 4 years for rape, but there are exceptions for aggravated rape (rape plus use of a weapon and injury, or kidnapping) or when there is DNA evidence available, and in childhood or incest cases the 4 years may start from the time that the young person left the care of the rapist and last until the victim is 25.

Sally StevensAugust 25, 2013 at 01:55

I strongly agree that there should be a statute of limitations for this sort of money-driven rubbish. If the perpetrator is still living, and his accusers are ready to face him in open court then the statute should allow that, otherwise the statute should expire at 20 years.

The human brain is a tricky instrument, and for a few women to suddenly dredge up all this from a long-distant past, it’s suspect at that level, and if living accusers and living accused could stand up to examination by reputable forensic psychologists or psychiatrists, I’d be surprised. The UK needs to catch up with the US, and throw a lot more psychology TV up there. Dr. Phil would have carved the Duncrofters up long, long ago. http://www.drphil.com/

Does David Lee Travis have accusers who are coming to court?

Jonathan MasonAugust 25, 2013 at 02:13

I think you are right. Here is a kind of “before” and after view of a famous “victim”. It will be no wonder if DLT denies all knowledge if they look like this.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2401524/Former-model-Christine-Keeler-71-unrecognisable-pulls-shopping-trolley-50-years-Profumo-affair.html

Of course Ms. Keeler is also a victim of the tobacco and alcohol industry.

Sally StevensAugust 25, 2013 at 16:09

Oh dear me! Poor Christine – not very attractive these days. What’s up with Mandy Rice-Davis these days?

Margaret JervisAugust 23, 2013 at 18:05

Heck Chris- there’s people on Dr Death raving about the corrupt totalitarian state and here you are seeing the witchhunts as an instrument of capitalist Totalitarianism. Not sure what a’perfect’ capitalist’ society would look like but think it wouldn’t work – But the compo higher courts cases that have allowed this farrago have been decided by the liberal new school judges’ of a HR type disposition – it’s the more conservative by and large that have expressed disquiet. Compo law is the privatisation of justice though – it’s an invitation to those who want to get in on the money like crash for cash – but you don’t have to rig up a crash or evidence for injury – only an allegationa nd a compo psych report for PTSD. Of course much more could be debated!

Chris RetroAugust 23, 2013 at 16:48

*THIS* is all about money – but not so much in terms of paying a few lunatics or even – in the grand scheme – soulless solicitors.
This is about the creation of the ‘perfect’ capitalist society. A society with no values other than ££££ and no ethics, no context and who’s morality is dictated by the media, and for whom historical a
When they say “this is just the tip of the iceberg” *they* are telling the truth, for once.

BlondeAugust 23, 2013 at 15:11

Can’t send it from my email, but would like Richard Littlejohn to read this Blog. Could anyone else send it please? Richard.littlejohn@dailymail.co.uk

Cheers

Margaret JervisAugust 23, 2013 at 13:29

It’s only an interim hearing. It could be a year or longer before the trial. But at least he hasn’t succumbed to a plea bargain.

Ergathones the PhilosopherAugust 23, 2013 at 13:44

True… small mercies…!

Jonathan MasonAugust 23, 2013 at 12:32

Decent Richard Littlejohn article about the Davidson fiasco today in the Daily Mail. I would like to see the allegators counter-sued in civil court, but I guess this will never happen as probably they have nothing worth suing for.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2400422/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Jim-Davidson-deranged-witch-hunt-thats-turned-British-justice-head.html

Ergathones the PhilosopherAugust 23, 2013 at 13:23

Thanks Jonathan, that brought a smile to my face and ties in nicely with Anna’s recent piece about the Guardian!

At least some journalists can still use the word “alleged” about the Savile Revelations, regardless of what “national policy” may dictate.

I’m no Mail fan but it’s nice to see a major newspaper rumbling Yewtree for what it is – especially with regard to the great imbalance between the investigations of “historic” abuse claims and current ones. And let’s hope the remark about the £4m payout from the licence fee draws appropriate attention, this article puts a whole different spin on it compared to the Mail’s previous report!

I see Dave Lee Travis is off to Southwark Crown Court in a fortnight, and I for one wish him well. Though part of me thinks that even if he’s acquitted of all charges, it’ll be a long time before his Top Of The Pops episodes return to our screens…

Mina FieldAugust 23, 2013 at 17:36

Re: Littlejohn article.

Only flaw in that article is that he says, ‘tactics vindicated’ by Stuart Hall situation. Is it just me that feels this bit seems to negate everything else he says??

Ergathones the PhilosopherAugust 23, 2013 at 12:06

@Miss Mildred, thanks, I’ve found the article.

I’d planned on sharing it but it does rather take the angle of “But the directors got MORE MONEY than these POOR VICTIMS! This isn’t GOOD ENOUGH!!!”

I suppose it’s taken as read that the licence payer deserves to foot the bill for all this. After all, we “allowed” him to “groom” us over many, many years… and in today’s society, those perceived as enablers seem to get hit even harder than those perceived as perpetrators!

The thing is, even Savile’s detractors should take umbrage at having to feed the compo fund for another man’s “crimes”. And those of us who regard Yewtree as little more than an exercise in money-making at the cost of a dead man’s reputation have even more reason to be outraged. Yet the DM’s comments section for this story has been disabled… I wonder why?

“Four legs good, two legs better”, indeed…

Margaret JervisAugust 23, 2013 at 10:59

I may be wrong but suspect the BBC settlement was subject to news-management as to timing. Silly season, people on holiday, and a massive blow-up about a man being held for nine hours because he was waiting for his choice of lawyer.

Miss MildredAugust 23, 2013 at 09:54

I’m afraid I read it in the DM on the internet before I read it here. It was tucked well down the presentations though. Maybe many persons would not get that far, after reading all the gloom, doom, and utter tosh that precede such DM nuggets as The Beeb awards for unproven and badly researched allegations. Splashing tax payers money around. Now some are whining that it is not enough!

Ergathones the PhilosopherAugust 23, 2013 at 08:25

I found out about the BBC “victim” payouts through this blog, rather than through the news, which speaks volumes.

I wonder how many Men In The Street would raise their voices in protest if the papers were to appear with the headline:

BBC TO PAY £X MILLION OF *YOUR* MONEY TO SAVILE “VICTIMS”

@Rabbitaway, you’re absolutely right – money is the crux of all this, and regardless of how they view Savile, I’m sure the average licence payer would have something to say about footing the bill for all this personally, especially since anti-Yewtree sentiment appears to be increasing among the public.

Speaking of which, all the best to DLT today!

rabbitawayAugust 23, 2013 at 10:36

Ditto re DLT – ‘Justice for Jimmy Savile’ was it not Peter Spindler who said “we’re coming for you” ? Well, we (the people) will be ‘coming’ for the lot of you in due course, now that your actions are hitting folk where it hurts …..

corevalueAugust 23, 2013 at 23:22

The news is remarkably selective in the UK. Ever heard of Joanna Deheny? Thought not.

If you want to find out who she is, try the names Lukasz Slaboszewksi, John Chapman, Kevin Lee. Those were the men she is alleged to have killed, she was due in court July 17, but can I find a trace of information about her court appearance?

Why is an alleged pat on the bum thirty years ago more scandalous than real, actual, multiple murder?

Margaret JervisAugust 23, 2013 at 23:35

I could wax lyrical on disposals and news values Core. It is indeed a mystery in an age of sentimental narcissism. Now where’s my Flannery OConnor on this? I quoted it elsewhere on AR. Too late – but you’re on the right track.

Chris RetroAugust 23, 2013 at 07:25

Pretend Victims.
Pretend Investigations.
Pretend TV presenters.
Pretend Policemen.
Pretend Lawyers.
Pretend Law.
Pretend Justice.
A Real Hell.

Can anyone spot the pattern?

Sally StevensAugust 23, 2013 at 01:25

parties that were settled with be available under a FOI request, perchance>

CurmudgeonAugust 23, 2013 at 02:49

IANAL, but I suspect you might get a list of how much was paid in each case, but all the names of the ‘vulnerable victims’ would be redacted.

Sally StevensAugust 23, 2013 at 01:25

“all that remains are the unpublicised allegations and in those we ‘must believe’ for the BBC is about to give each one of the ‘Allegator victims’© £33,000 a piece of licence fee payer’s monies rather than risk traumatising them by actually subjecting their claims to the harsh light of day….”

A couple of questions regarding settlement of what I assume are tortious claims against the Beeb. In the good ol’ USA, where compensation claims have been the order of the day for a good few years, the lawyers generally bargain for 33% if the claim isn’t litigated, and 40% if it is. Also, whatever monies the claimant recovers are tax-free. Is that the case in the UK?

The settlement is 4 million pounds. The lawyers then take 1.5 million among them, on which they DO have to pay taxes of course. And then these alligators walk off with twenty two thousand a piece of what the legal profession here at least like to call “go away money.” Please tell me they have to pay taxes at least! Standard Settlement and Release in which the Beeb admits to no wrongdoing and so on.

Wonder if the Old Duncroftians are continuing in their claims against MIND, Barnardo’s, etc., or if they settle with the Beeb, would they then be required to release all other parties?

And would a list of these

Margaret JervisAugust 23, 2013 at 01:56

Not at all. Assume the BBC is only paying out for alleged acts by ‘Savile’ while under or connected to the BBC brand. Alleged acts committed in private, or through other charitable ventures would be separately actionable against NHS, Barnardos, Savile Estate, Mind, HMP, …..

Sally StevensAugust 23, 2013 at 02:03

Interesting. One of those “follow the money” things.

carol42August 22, 2013 at 21:18

High time the whole BBC was greatly reduced and sold off they way they are throwing our money away like this and their vast payouts. Let them compete in the market and see how they do. No need for a licence fee now anyway. The whole thing is a fiasco.

John PickworthAugust 22, 2013 at 22:24

“… the BBC is about to give each one of the ’Allegator victims’© £33,000 a piece of licence fee payer’s monies”

Over my dead body.

This is public money and if the BBC pay these people based on unsubstantiated/unproven allegations I seriously believe the trusties could find themselves being sued. And with that in mind… anyone here know how to launch a class action, or a law firm that would take such a case? Assuming there’s no limitation, could such a class action become the largest one ever for the UK? Would such a legal challenge be the spark that blows the whole thing wide open and reveals what a pack of nonsense the entire affair has been?

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 22:38

@John – money started this bloomin thing and it WILL be the end of it, but we must fight the overall injustice otherwise the same will happen again and again. More ‘legal’ challenges just means more diversions and another payday for another set of lawyers. Spread the word, we want Justice for Jimmy Savile and we want the legalised theft of his money and ours to stop asap !

carol42August 22, 2013 at 22:43

If you find a way count me in, I am furious about this misuse of our money, everything the BBC is and was is built on all our money and they have no right to squander it like this.

Margaret JervisAugust 22, 2013 at 21:13

Very concerned about Moor’s Twitter suspension. Could be technical. But no response from Moor to queries. What’s going on guys and gals?

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 22:15

He’s having a few days off – it’s on his blog – don’t worry

Margaret JervisAugust 22, 2013 at 23:29

Thank you, Rabbit . Well deserved.

Margaret JervisAugust 22, 2013 at 20:48

I once saw Jimmy Savile jogging around the inner circle of Regents Park. This was in the late 70s. He was alone. Instantly recognisable via his hair and tracksuit. And completely absorbed in his running. Like any other jogger.

johnd2008August 22, 2013 at 20:15

I once dined in a restaraunt in Aylesbury where Jimmy Saville was also eating, and he once walked past me in the railway station in Aylesbury. I thought at the time that he was rather weird, but then most TV people are weird in one way or another. Can I claim because I thought he was strange ?

EngineerAugust 22, 2013 at 21:23

Undoubtedly. Also, on the basis that we’ve read about your experience and been traumatised by it, we can claim too!

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 22:21

@Engineer – I’m ‘feeling your pain’ can I NOT claim please

BlondeAugust 22, 2013 at 17:37

Why is Moor’s twitter account suspended? Have the Zombies had enough already?

Anna RaccoonAugust 22, 2013 at 18:11

Deeply suspicious – he’s only had the account two days – even Old Holborn lasts longer than that! I don’t know what is going on at the moment, will report back when I do.

Mizz MildredAugust 22, 2013 at 16:50

I wonder how the police can get anything done at all currently. They seem so bound up in looking at their own navels. Trawling ancient written records. Then apologising for throwing some of them away, using national protocols. Some retired officers must be in Spain or OZ or NZ. How were they contacted and found? It is mind blowing the public money spent on this denial of any coverings up for JS’s alleged criminal activities. The nauseating activities of MSM helped to bring about this silly process into being. In the 10.5 section on the FMC I read phrases such as ‘recollections of events were often vague or incomplete’. Oh so surprising. Not when it comes to the allegations it seems. No detail given on these accusations…..crystal clear recall then? Lots of IN DEPTH probing to get to the truth? Probably not allowed in case the victims feel that they are being too challenged.

Ergathones the PhilosopherAugust 22, 2013 at 16:49

I should really know better than to peruse the Comments sections on Yahoo too deeply… In spite of many shows of support for Jim Davidson, there is still:

“Name the accused a whole lot of gold diggers crawling out of the woodwork to tarnish the names of most of these celebs named . Except for dirtbag Saville that is .”

and:

“People like Jim Davidson are like sacrificial lambs while some people who have abused children, because they’ve got friends in high places or are in a high place themselves, are never brought to justice and I don’t just mean Jimmy Savile.”

The allegations are now officially crimes, meaning they “DEFINITELY HAPPENED” and who would dare contradict an “ESTABLISHED FACT”?

It was easy for the media to stir up public frenzy by giving it the slant of “Savile fooled you all”. And now that same public it seems would much rather stick its collective fingers in its collective ears and squawk LA LA LA LA LA LA LA until anyone suggesting that Sir Jim’s “crimes” wouldn’t stand up in a court of law has gone away.

Still, the ban on Galileo’s writings on heliocentrism was finally completely lifted by the Church in 1835 – a mere 193 years after his death – proving that the powers that be really could admit they were wrong about “ESTABLISHED FACTS” like a geocentric universe.

Roll on the 23rd century and the final triumph of sanity!

BrianAugust 22, 2013 at 16:48

Didn’t Pixellated Goat play at Glastonbury in the early seventies? A prog/folk rock group like Jethro Purple as I remember. I think they played live on John Peel’s programme a couple of times, so there’s another possible Yewtree link. Yewtree Link was their second album coincidentally.

Margaret JervisAugust 22, 2013 at 17:23

Interesting. Was trying to work out the meaning of spinoffs ‘Fairbank’ ‘Fernbridge’ and ‘Cayaco’ – there’s Pallial, Torva and….but.
Thought they might have some ref to the children’s tv show in the Midnight Garden or some such. Any ideas? A Cayaco is a place in California but also a small West African fishing boat that was said to ferry illegal immigrants – though I only got the last bit on a fashion blog thesis. Police Ops sued to make direct refs to aspects of the investigation but these days they’re more obscure.

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 15:48

I’m now a twitter er ….. enjoy my ‘conversation’ with FMJ Stewart Smith who cannot get anything right …..

F M J Stewart-Smith ‏@Felicity_SS 9m

@rabbitaway Strictly speaking, you are right. It’s picture of block of flats which houses #Savile’s apartment. His is at rear. @wypWHnpt
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Margaret JervisAugust 22, 2013 at 16:14

@Chris Retro Yes – meant R3 as well but it’s patchy. BBC4 certainly the exception to the TV veto. R5 Up All Night with Rhod ??? v.good, if you’re awake.

Margaret JervisAugust 22, 2013 at 14:05

BBC under fire re ‘Savile’ compensation . Not enough at an average of £34K per head it seems.

http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/89455-bbc-faces-backlash-over-jimmy-savile-compensation

Chris RetroAugust 22, 2013 at 14:17

They should be under fire.
I’m not funding a Liar’s Lottery, it’s for making quality TV & Radio. On that basis, I won’t be paying a TV License anymore. I can live without todays media, and I have a pretty comprehensive archive to keep myself entertained from back when decent broadcasting was the norm.

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 14:24

Here Here Chris – most of the TV progs are shite anyway ….. we should all tell them to shove it up their arses, trouble is, I’m on DD so I’ve already paid most of next years ! ….

Margaret JervisAugust 22, 2013 at 15:07

Still lots of good stuff on R4, 4 and Test Match Special. But you don’t need a licence for radio!

Chris RetroAugust 22, 2013 at 15:43

Indeed Margaret – is it worth my while for just 6music, R4 and a smattering of BBC4? Not when millions are thrown at bullshitter and cut-throat highwaymen masquerading as “solicitors”…

JimmyGiroAugust 22, 2013 at 18:05

According to the Telegraph, 12% of all criminal cases brought to Magistrate courts, are TV licence related:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/10256679/TV-licence-offences-account-for-one-in-ten-UK-court-cases.html

BlondeAugust 22, 2013 at 14:02

Well done and thank you! x

Randy HacckAugust 22, 2013 at 12:41

Yes, the country has gone utterly mad. If I hear one more ambulance chasing lawyer and/or faux victim saying: “it isnt about the money….” before deciding they have suffered nervous shock for 30 years but never mentioned it….
Madness

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 12:33

When Newgreen came out (the first time), I noticed that, despite using the SAME data, the Metropolitan police found 2 ‘attacks’ at High Royds Hospital and their report (yewtree) signified that the youngest ‘victim’ was just 8 yrs old. WYP details the same incidents but cites the ‘victims’ age as 5 years old ! The West yorkshire report has one redeeming feature and we must seize this, it gave us the words ‘unsubstantiated’ ‘gossip’ and ‘rumours’ and that is all they had on Jimmy Savile.

Anna RaccoonAugust 22, 2013 at 12:57

Unsubstantiated and gossip was all Surrey police had too.
In fact unsubstantiated and gossip is all the media have had….
But I agree, the West Yorkshire report is the first attempt to actually investigate some of the Yewtree allegations, albeit only the ones made by West Yorkshire Police.
How many man hours of experienced and specialised child abuse officers have now been wasted on this travesty instead of being able to concentrate on real child abuse – here and now?

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 13:04

Aye Anna but good that they, (whoever ‘they’ are) used these words and then go on to formally record 70 odd ‘crimes’ CRAZY

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 13:12

That’s just it Anna, I don’t think that the police actually did alot of the work. They admit to not speaking face to face with all the accusers, I imagine alot of the contact was via phone on specially manned help desk/s. It will be interesting to see the data behind the data WHEN the shit hits these particular fans. No dates or ages of the ‘victims’ at the time of the alleged ‘attacks’, what sort of ‘crime’ report does not even have the rudimentary details ?

Moor LarkinAugust 22, 2013 at 13:23

Operation Ornament carried undertones of annoyance, just as the inserted phrase by WYP of “national policy” probably speaks of feelings of powerlessness too. This is all coming from the centre, although the GMP seemed pretty keen to embrace convicting the dead people too.

Chris RetroAugust 22, 2013 at 13:55

We know ‘Operation Yewtree’ is called thus because it is a slow-growing poisonous evergreen that saps the goodness of its surroundings, is Operation Newgreen called so because it exists to find ways of creating ‘new green’ in the bank accounts of more liars and professional liars?

Jonathan MasonAugust 22, 2013 at 18:50

High Royds Hospital at Menston near Leeds has been closed and converted into flats and a housing development decades ago, but I worked there in 1976-77. I never heard that Jimmy Savile had ever been to the hospital, but perhaps the “attacks” were later. I don’t think there were any child patients there, though I remember a man in his eighties who had been born at the hospital as his parents were both patients, and then was sent away to a school for the blind for a few years, where he was unmanageable and thus returned to High Royds, where he had lived for several decades. There was also a very old retired employee who lived on the grounds who had retired in 1939.

The hospital opened in 1885 and was originally known as The West Riding Pauper Lunatic Asylum.

Jonathan MasonAugust 22, 2013 at 18:58

I should also add that the hospital was divided on sex lines, with a locked door in the middle of the hospital at the ground floor level that divided the male side from the female side. As I recall no male staff whatsoever (or patients) were allowed to enter the female wing, and I think no females on the male wing either, though I have no specific memory of that. Being found in the “wrong” wing was grounds for instant dismissal or “handing in your keys” as it was known. I doubt whether Savile could have had unsupervised access to female (or male) patients, though my opinion should not be taken as gospel, due to the lapse of almost 40 years.

Mina FieldAugust 22, 2013 at 20:13

@Jonathan Mason
It was quite a place. However, if I remember correctly the JS allegations were around 1989 – allegedly with kids who may have been 5 or maybe 8 – Yewtree and Newgreen differ! Apparently at ‘open’ events.
Interestingly (or maybe not) I accompanied my mother there, visiting 3 different patients at different times, and have little or no memory of the times when I’d have been around 7 or 8 or so, and none whatsoever of going there aged 4. And yet these allegators (liking the new word) claim all these ‘events’ happened to them, vividly!
We never really adapted to calling it High Royds. It remained, Menston.

Jonathan MasonAugust 22, 2013 at 20:27

OK, I see they were later allegators.

Moor LarkinAugust 22, 2013 at 12:28

@ This is the famous ledger that HMIC ‘linked to Savile to Duncroft school’ @

I might have blinked and missed it, but didn’t Spindler come up with that ludicrous tome just before he resigned from HMP, rather than just after?

Anna RaccoonAugust 22, 2013 at 12:56

mmmn, and nobody knew by whom or more importantly when, it had been written.

NigelAugust 22, 2013 at 11:50

I think there is an even bigger scandal/payday for lawyers hiding that has yet to surface. I remember reading an account years ago, of the newly re-constituted special air service operating in the jungles of Malaya during the emergency. They were in the jungle for long periods of time and therefore unable to avail themselves of the delights of Bugis Street in Singapore and would ravish the native goats instead. I suspect that a diligent trawl of villages deep in the jungle would find many goat keepers willing to be represented in court in a damages claim against the MOD

Ergathones the PhilosopherAugust 22, 2013 at 11:37

“Fictumentary”… love it…!

Another well-researched post – if only The Man In The Street would exercise such initiative when confronted with Yewtree mud-slinging.

Yes, most of them seem perfectly happy to denounce the process as a “witch hunt” now, and wish all the best to Dave Lee Travis as he prepares to face the court, and to Jim Davidson as he escapes charges altogether… but then, they will always have the bogeyman that Sir Jim has been posthumously turned into as a target for their hatred, and for most people that seems to be more than enough.

This “National Policy” of posthumously making a criminal of someone without arrest, charge, or trial, is truly frightening, and sets a worrying precedent. As I said in Moor’s blog yesterday, this is history in the making – in a literal and most disquieting sense.

On a similar note, I see several charges of historic sexual abuse have been brought against the former headmaster of my old school, dating back to the 1950′s and 1960′s. He’s been dead twelve years so I guess the powers that be will just accept all allegations and make him a criminal in his grave too! Come to think of it, I’m rather short of cash just now… he was no longer headmaster when I attended the school in the 1980′s but frequently appeared at big school events at that time…

Of course I wouldn’t – I never even spoke to the man, let alone underwent abuse at his hands, and most importantly I have a conscience and value the truth over getting a wad of cash and five minutes of fame through making spurious allegations! Now, I have no idea if what these ageing former pupils claim is true, and I don’t suppose anyone but them ever will. But the ease with which I could potentially come forward as a “victim”, be believed without question, and just have my word turn into a dead man’s criminal record, makes me fear for the state of the “justice” system in this country.

Moor LarkinAugust 22, 2013 at 11:44

Jimmy Savile: It’s a lot easier to make negative TV shows than it is to make positive ones. And if we are doing nice things and good things and happy things, imagine how many millions of people you will cheer up and will say “That Louis Theroux, he’s a fabulous geezer, he doesn’t just interview unusual people that leaves us with nothing except how unusual they are, look at the wisdom he extracted.”
Louis Theroux: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It can’t all be positive though, can it? I mean, that’s just not reality.
Jimmy Savile: Oh that’s alright, make it as negative as you like! That’s alright, see you in court. Take a few quid off you sir, take a few quid off anybody. Money has no conscience.

mandrakeAugust 22, 2013 at 16:51

and a chance meeting with Paul Theroux could see me claiming he abused me as a child.
Louis’ denials and shocked denials of his father’s abuse will only be seen to confirm how manipulative, secretive and cunning Theroux elder was.

Ergathones is correct- we are seeing history in the making and a dark chapter is opening.

Anna RaccoonAugust 22, 2013 at 11:49

What I find so alarming is the number of ‘retired’ or ‘jumped before they were disciplined’ ex-police officers that have been exposed in this report as having jumped on the ‘I always knew he was a nonce’ bandwagon.
I mean, its not as though I didn’t know that ex-policeman can lie through their back teeth, bulldoze and bully the media to print their version of the truth, that goes without saying, but to see that every single one of the ‘West Yorkshire policeman’ claims proved erroneous was startling. Not one of them stood up to examination.
If we can’t trust the allegations emanating from trained objective reporting policemen, then how can we believe the anonymous ‘other allegations’?

Moor LarkinAugust 22, 2013 at 12:04

“I am acutely conscious of the difficulties and risks inherent in piecing together a history of the legal advice given by the CPS to the Metropolitan Police nearly five years ago based on documents created by, and recollections of, others.”
Keir Starmer – April 2011
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/culture-media-sport/Keir%20Starmer%20QC%20CPS%2001%2004%2011.pdf

Stop giggling at the back.

Anna RaccoonAugust 22, 2013 at 12:14

Moor, surely you are not referring to the Drusilla Sharpling, Independent Complaints Commissioner, report that was at pains to exonerate the Head of the CPS for that legal advice?
Er, the very same Drusilla Sharpling wot was head of the CPS at the time in question…..
http://www.annaraccoon.com/annas-personal-stuff/the-merry-knives-of-winsor-and-yet-another-savile-inquiry/

Moor LarkinAugust 22, 2013 at 12:16

Nah, my one was Alison Levitt’s report for Kerr Stormer about Mulcaire & Co and Yates of the Yardies…..

Chris RetroAugust 22, 2013 at 13:52

The CPS…. another set of morally bankrupt arseholes that think they can destroy British Jurisprudence by stating black is white.

What is alarming (or it would be if I hadn’t recently completed a law degree, having sat next to some of these vacant buffoons in university) is the amount of Lawyers and indeed Barristers who are are without any level of intellectual honesty whatsoever.

mandrakeAugust 22, 2013 at 17:02

Oh just read this saga if you want “retired” British & Australian coppers (so reminiscent of MWT) who have been bullying their way around Cambodia SINCE 2007 claiming to “save children and women from slavery”.
Their benefactor, the billionaire Gina Rinehart has thrown them to the wolves after discovering her funds to build schools and refugees was being spent on Range Rovers and French provincial mansions.

Almost MWT’s modus operandi to a T..an “ex-detective” (who everyone seems to recall was just a constable) with ‘qualifications’. When will the penny drop that when a new “expert” says “we must think of the children”, they are very first ones we should look into.
http://penhpal.com/2013/05/shisha-the-anti-trafficking-org-implodes/

Mina FieldAugust 22, 2013 at 18:29

Anna, its when you dissect reports like this that I am most appreciative of your work. Brilliant job again, and by having included ‘West Yorkshire Police report’ within the title, you might have ensured that some of the ‘right’ people read this.
As for the old, probably quite dotty, coppers, with their claims about investigations, and memos that never were – don’t forget that it was felt insufficient by West Yorkshire Police that they had investigated these thoroughly, to no avail – they then felt obliged to refer themselves to the IPCC, so seriously did they decide the unsubstantiated ex coppers’ assertions ought to be taken. And the thanks they have had for all their hard and diligent work? Slated by the chief paedofinder-general, and even by their own PCC.

MarianaAugust 25, 2013 at 16:39

Does it come as a surprise? Remember the ex-cop whose claims largely triggered the Stoke Mandeville accusations. He proved completely unable to substantiate them. I’ve learned to treat any revelation beginning ‘a former policeman told us . . .’ as myth. I guess they do it because they’re nostalgic for the days when they could get a ‘drink’ for passing on real information, or just because it breaks the tedium of retirement. Some other fine examples of this can be found in The Independent’s coverage of the highly dubious Operation Fernbridge/Elm Guest house affair. But that’s another interminable story.

Margaret JervisAugust 25, 2013 at 17:38

@Not today it’s not. The whole ‘Vip’ ring story has been blown apart by astonishing admissions from the source Chris Fay, ex local councillor , Ex Naypic (National Association of Young People In Care). Watch that space see my Twitter feed on @mscjervis or go to David Hencke’s (Ex-Guardian, now exaro) WordPress blog.

Anna RaccoonAugust 25, 2013 at 18:22

I’m just catching up on this now – been away for two days – quite an astonishing admission – and credit due to the man for speaking up now.

Duncan DisorderlyAugust 25, 2013 at 19:15

The number of people alleged to have gone to Elm Guest House for sex with children would have them queued around the block five times over.

Duncan DisorderlyAugust 25, 2013 at 19:33

The ‘documents’ allegedly proving the VIP paedophile ring seem to be the work of a lunatic. I particularly like the diagrams with arrows pointing everywhere, elucidating exactly nothing:
http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/richmond/the-mary-moss-elm-guest-house-documents-with-transcripts/

Rocky Racoon (No relation)August 26, 2013 at 23:01

Give him credit? The list has been in existence since 1988 compiled by Chris Fay & Mary Moss, for 25 years they have made assertions based on THEIR list. Could it be David Hencke’s was going to announce much the list was garbage and that’s why Fay has backed off ? Weren’t there claims about a singer in January based on that list? Then 6 months later Chris Fay or the author website he contributes withdrew their allegations, and pasted the blame on to the singer for not making a statement!!

Elena ‘andcartAugust 22, 2013 at 11:36

£33,000? Bugger, missed a good one there.
Oh, hang on a minute. I saw Jimmy Savile run past me in Plymouth, and he smiled and waved at me, all while being filmed by The BBC. All very traumatic because people thought he knew me. Who do I phone?

Jonathan MasonAugust 22, 2013 at 13:27

If he was exposing his legs, you probably have a case.

Elena ‘andcartAugust 23, 2013 at 06:35

OMG, now look what you’ve done. I’m having a panic attack. It was horrible, horrible I tell ya. That must be worth another £10,000

LucozadeAugust 23, 2013 at 07:23

Elena ‘andcart,

Re: “I saw Jimmy Savile run past me in Plymouth, and he smiled and waved at me, all while being filmed by The BBC. All very traumatic because people thought he knew me. Who do I phone?”

He patted my dads shoulder as he was finishing the London Marathon, do think that’ll count too???

rabbitawayAugust 22, 2013 at 11:36

But Anna wait, we have the findings of the NHS investigations to look forward to yet ! No doubt, dozens will have come forward, or not as the case may be ! Something ‘Mina Field’ said yesterday struck a deep chord with me and I’m sure that it will with others to …..

None of us now can die, and be content that we don’t have a criminal record. No matter how clear our consciences, our innocent status can’t be guaranteed to survive us. Something to bear in mind if saving for a nice funeral and a decent headstone.

http://www.annaraccoon.com/duncroftsavile/savile-the-beast-the-inside-story-of-the-greatest-scandal-in-tv-history/

Mr Parkinson, your daytime television ads may need to be amended and the funeral plans you take payment to advertise may become obsolete. You too put your pennies worth into the post death vilification of a man you interviewed decades ago and for that you too, you will be remembered.

mandrakeAugust 22, 2013 at 16:45

You are spot on : the alarming precedents that have been set will come back to haunt hundreds. No-one is safe even if death : or at least, their estate isn’t.
Just imagine- any meeting or the slightest brush with fame with a celebrity and a raft of claimants may come out of the woodwork.

But will it stop there?. Of course not. Dad or Mum leaves a simple suburban house , the only asset , to their children. One decides he/she wants a greater share. ” Dad abused me mercilessly and I never spoke up while he was alive out of fear !”. Once the lawyers take their cut the ‘victim’ will take the rest. Anyone with any asset, famous or not is fair game.

I truly do not think the legal fraternity, police or politicians have given a single thought to teh damage they have done by blindly accepting the lynch mobs of the media.

BlondeAugust 23, 2013 at 07:05

That’s why we’re fighting Mandrake – spread the word!

Joe PublicAugust 22, 2013 at 11:22

Astounding, Anna.

Are you alone in trying to sift fact from fiction in this affair?

Anna RaccoonAugust 22, 2013 at 11:28

No, Moor Larkin on http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/ has also most successfully had his teeth into the Zombie Factoids for some time…
The media dust them down, stand them upright again and help them walk off into the sunset…

Moor LarkinAugust 22, 2013 at 11:15

There was a deadly silence. Amazed, terrified, huddling together, the animals watched the long line of pigs march slowly round the yard. It was as though the world had turned upside-down. Then there came a moment when the first shock had worn off and when, in spite of everything-in spite of their terror of the dogs, and of the habit, developed through long years, of never complaining, never criticising, no matter what happened – they might have uttered some word of protest. But just at that moment, as though at a signal, all the sheep burst out into a tremendous bleating of- “Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better! Four legs good, two legs better!” It went on for five minutes without stopping. And by the time the sheep had quieted down, the chance to utter any protest had passed, for the pigs had marched back into the farmhouse.”

Jonathan MasonAugust 22, 2013 at 13:26

@Anna: Tremendous analysis, Anna. I am truly impressed.

@Moor: As a lifelong fan of George Orwell since I had Animal Farm read aloud to me in school when I was 12 and then read a book of his essays on my own when I was 14, I am delighted to see that the government of the day has been taking his works to heart. Orwell will be totally over the moon to know that the strategies he outlined in Animal Farm and Nineteen Eighty-Four as possibilities for the future are finally being implemented.

JuliaMAugust 22, 2013 at 11:00

“Has the country gone stark staring mad?”

A rhetorical question, I presume?

AnneAugust 28, 2013 at 23:08

Yes! It has.

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