Exclusive – Stephen Hamilton
There is a worrying shuffling of feet and staring into the middle distance in Academia. It is understandable – there is not much point in sticking your neck out so far that you end up with no job. The same thing applies to journalists. Better to keep quiet until the ‘abuse hysteria’ has passed; if it ever does.
I don’t have a career to worry about – so am quite prepared to ‘steam in’. Frankly it would require a book to do justice to the following case. What follows are only the points that particularly interested me; the omission or inclusion of any particular point has no relevance beyond that.
Stephen Hamilton is a ‘convicted pervert’. The jury has so decided, and we must accept their verdict as we accept that a man is innocent when the jury declares him ‘not guilty’.
What follows, therefore, is not a rebuttal of the jury verdict, but an examination of the process that led the jury to that verdict. Do we have a judicial system that we can be proud of, that protects the vulnerable both from external predators and equally, and importantly, from the might of the state?
My belief that we did have such a judicial system has been severely shaken by Stephen’s case.
Juries are inevitably influenced by what they read and hear in the media before they become jurors. They are exhorted not to read about the case whilst they are sitting, and there is no suggestion that they did so in this case – but the sort of emotive media reporting of Stephen’s case will be worming its way into the memories of jurors for future cases, just as his jury will have read of prior cases.
Widely reported at the time was that Stephen was charged with six charges of rape, three charges of sexual assault, four charges of child cruelty and a charge of administering a noxious substance. I shall take these in reverse order.
‘Administering a noxious substance‘.
This charge was later dismissed by the Judge, although the jury was aware of it. My first thought on hearing of it was that this was probably one of the well known ‘date rape’ drugs such as Rohypnol. Even when the drug was revealed to be Citalopram, and if you happened to know that Citalopram was an antidepressant – the juxtaposition of articles such as the Daily Mail ‘raped a vulnerable schoolgirl from the age of 10 after secretly medicating‘ her, or the Daily Star’s ‘dosed the girl’… ‘before subjecting her to sexual abuse‘ would give the impression that this was a drug administered immediately before the rape for the express intention of leaving her amenable to that rape. The jury, hopefully, would not have been influenced by these articles, but my point is that the manner in which information is presented to you by the media does influence how you ‘read’ a situation. That the jury was aware of this charge will have influenced them.
What you don’t know yet is that Stephen was a Doctor, a GP. His relationship with this girl is that she was his daughter. That much is revealed in the Appeal Court hearing, although there it is simply listed as ‘H’ and the Queen; thus protecting her identity, however this in turn is linked to the original hearing where Stephen was obviously named, hence the media coverage. So, whilst I am well aware of the strictures regarding revealing the identity of victims of sexual abuse, I am equally aware that any comment regarding the Appeal Court hearing and the coverage of this case will result in someone in the comments saying ‘but she was his daughter’. Indeed. She has changed her name, so is no longer identifiable by relationship to Stephen.
The other pertinent piece of information you require to understand the ‘noxious substance issue’ is that the girl concerned had suffered from severe psychiatric problems from a very early age. I was under the impression that it was illegal for a Doctor to prescribe for a member of their family. It isn’t. There are sound arguments against doing so, but Stephen had done nothing illegal in prescribing for a member of his family. In fact he gave her a low dose of Citalopram which had been prescribed for her Mother, also of a ‘nervous disposition’. The Crown were at pains to point out that Citalopram is not licensed for use on anyone under 18 – true it isn’t. The licence is only advisory. However that it was the right drug for her is verified by the fact that the hospital treating her continued to give her Citalopram for several years afterwards – and in far higher doses. Hence the charge was dismissed. Which leads me neatly into the next set of media distortions.
Four charges of ‘child cruelty’.
What comes into your mind on hearing of ‘child cruelty’? A terrible beating? Starvation? Torture by some unthinkable evil?
The charges of child cruelty arose from allegations of ‘neglect’. The ‘neglect’ derived from the fact that he had made several appointments for her with the Child and Adolescent Mental Health Service – which he later cancelled. Stephen put forward the defence that he cancelled the appointments when both the girl and her Mother were unwilling to engage with the mental health authorities to deal with her increasing symptoms of mental ill health. The Crown maintained that he cancelled the appointments because he feared that she would reveal to a psychiatrist that he was sexually abusing her.
That doesn’t, to my mind, explain why he would make the appointments in the first place, nor why he didn’t apparently fear that she would reveal abuse to the several doctors – her GP, several paediatricians and A & E doctors, who all saw her during this period.
The inclusion of the ‘administering’ and ‘cruelty’ charges is a classic example of the Starmer/Saunders edict on ‘case building’ where the focus is not on the reliability of the complainant’s evidence but on boosting the prospect of a conviction by seeking to introduce evidence prejudicial to the defendant. The jury were directed that they could use a conviction on this count as some support for the prosecution case on the other counts. In order for the jury to convict on the cruelty charges they had first to be sure that the rapes had taken place – but the reasoning was circular. How could the jury decide the cruelty charge as support for the abuse charges without imputing that he was guilty of the abuse he allegedly wanted to conceal? Logically the jury could only decide this after having considered the sexual charges. Thus the ‘building block’ was illusory. This fundamental error by the prosecution and the judge was brushed aside by the Court of Appeal. Yet it ought to have undermined the safety of the conviction as a point of law – if logic be admitted to the law that is.
Pertinent to the rest of the charges is the victim’s mental health. By the time of the court case, she had been diagnosed as a psychotic schizophrenic for some years. She had been sectioned three times in her teenage years. Before the intervention of the mental health authorities she had been subject to ‘terrible temper tantrums’ and had attacked both her parents. Evidence was heard from both sides that at times she had had to be physically restrained. She both heard voices (indeed, she admitted she was still subject to hearing voices during the court case) and suffered hallucinatory visions. She had at various time ‘fully believed’ that a variety of conspiracy theories were targeting her, which she now knew to be untrue.
I am the last person to rail against the idea that anyone suffering from mental disability or mental illness be allowed to give evidence in court – however, when they are the sole complainant, of a historic offence for which there is no other evidence than their word, they suffer from an illness notorious for its ability to convince the sufferer that the fantastical is in fact reality, and they are undergoing current treatment designed to ‘teach them that the voices they hear are the result of experiences’ – then additional caution should be applied.
In particular, it should not be left to the jury to play the part of psychiatric experts.
There had been no particular change in the young girl’s symptoms between the diagnoses of schizophrenia – and her making allegations of sexual abuse. She now alleged that the incidents of being ‘held down’ by her Father during temper tantrums, were, in fact, examples of her statutory rape.
However, from the time of the allegations, the diagnosis was swiftly changed to one of ‘complex post-traumatic disorder’. In short, no sooner had the allegation been aired, than her Doctors ascribed all her symptoms to the effects of the allegations. She herself accepted that she had received intensive ‘therapy’ following which she had become ‘more amenable’ to the suggestion that her symptoms may have been caused by trauma.
Thus it was, that in the ensuing court case, only her treating psychiatrist was allowed to give expert evidence, not on her diagnosis, but as to the nature of hallucinations and delusions. The defence case was that these allegations were all totally untrue and were likely to be the product of her mental illness, pre-trial therapy and suggestion. The possibility of malicious allegations could not however be excluded especially given that her parents were in the midst of an acrimonious divorce.
Other matters which should not have influenced the jury – but quite possibly could have done, is that this trial was in Manchester a mere three months after the well publicised and emotive case of Michael Brewer, where the victim, Frances Andrade, had committed suicide in the days after giving evidence where she had been branded a fantasist. In Stephen Hamilton’s trial, Judge Mansell, showing commendable concern for the young girl, enquired:
‘…can you just tell us how … how you feel about the suggestion made that you have lied about your dad?’
‘I couldn’t get the fact that someone was calling me a liar out of my head, and it made me want to kill myself.’
That is a terrifying responsibility to put on the shoulders of the jury. It served no purpose in elucidating the evidence and her response could only serve to suggest to the jury that if they acquitted the defendant, she might kill herself.
The defence sought to adduce the evidence of Dr Janet Boakes, an expert on the subject of False Memory Syndrome. Dr Boakes had prepared a number of reports based upon the girl’s police video recorded interviews, psychiatric evidence and medical notes. She concluded that the girl may have recovered her memories during psychological counselling in which case the reliability of her allegations might be affected. Dr Boakes has given evidence in a large number of cases, where even the prosecution agreed:
Psychologist Prof John Morton, giving evidence for the prosecution, admitted: “A typical case of false memory involves a well educated female in her 30s who has had treatment for some psychological problem such as depression or an eating disorder.”
However, it is true that Dr Boakes’ evidence has been rejected in two cases. The judge used this fact, amongst other details, to exclude her evidence from this case.
The court drew a distinction between expert opinion addressing physical disease and mental illness. To admit that part of Dr Boakes’ evidence of assistance to the jury “would only have had the effect of focussing the jury away from assessing X… and all the evidence; rather, it would have been towards resolving conflicting evidence of diagnosis.
Unlike expert opinion in physical disease cases, these diagnoses involved a value judgment as to “what the doctors believed represented an accurate history of X’s relationship with her father.”
Thus, it appears that in cases involving mental illness, conflicting evidence of diagnosis will not be admitted.
Her Doctors had changed their minds on hearing of the belated sexual abuse allegations relating to six years beforehand. That was the only diagnosis the jury were invited to examine. ‘False memory syndrome’ is not a diagnosis but a shorthand for a state of mind of progressive belief in non-existent events.
Dr Boakes evidence went to the reliability and hence the credibility of the complainant’s allegations The point is that the ‘product’ of such a process may be convincing and compelling to a jury, as was the case here, so that a jury might be readily swayed by the girl’s narrative and self-assertions without it being open to effective cross-examination.
Any such opinion should have an evidential foundation – which in this case was satisfied by the history of the complainant, her treatment and telltale indicators – one such being her initial statement that she ‘remembered’ the abuse as a ‘physical memory’; indicative of a belief in ‘body memories’ the royal road to ‘false memory’ – this is not something the jury are likely to understand without expert evidence so it ought to be admitted.
The theory that memories are stored in body cells so that strong physical sensations are a ‘physical memory’ which can be interpreted as a guide to past events previously hidden from consciousness is unfounded in neurological science. There is such a thing as ‘tactile hallucination’ which may occur in anybody; it is not indicative of abuse.
The judge failed to understand this; worse, he then went on to endorse the existence of ‘body memories’, state that they are a symptom of abuse, and thus assumed the mantle of an expert by expressing an expert opinion, which is incorrect and without allowing rebuttal by the defence.
When the case went to appeal, the Court of Appeal ignored this issue.
Throughout the judgment the court is highly critical of experts ‘usurping the function of the jury’. Yet, it could be argued that by concluding that the part of the report of Dr Boakes which may have been of assistance to the jury was correctly withheld from the jury, the Court of Appeal has itself usurped the function of the jury.
I wish I felt more confident that the jury had been given ALL the expert evidence that was available to help them decide ‘who’ as the judge put it, ‘was telling the truth’.
Stephen Hamilton is now serving an 18 year prison sentence. The GMC have barred him from practicing his medical skills. He has lost his home, his career, and his family. As a man protesting his innocence, he will remain on the stricter regime of a high category prison.
Stephen has a website if you are interested in further information.
I will leave Stephen with the last word:
It is hoped the complainant will continue to improve, as most young adults do after a psychotic episode. As part of her recovery it could be expected for her to perceive the reality behind her false memories. When she reports this change she should be supported by those around her, not persuaded to stick with the previous account.
- IlovetheBBC
August 22, 2016 at 10:05 am -
What a profoundly disturbing case. I can confirm that a young girl presenting with MH problems is asked repeatedly by professionals if they have been abused. Depending on the particular ideas of the ‘therapist’ treating them, the questioning can be quite insistent. A firm answer of ‘no’ is not enough for some. Suggestions will be made that the person may be deliberately forgetting. It’s not unusual that with each change of therapist (and in the NHS there may be many) the first of the few precious sessions is wasted while the patient tries to convince them that the root of their problems does not lie in sexual abuse.
- IlovetheBBC
August 22, 2016 at 10:06 am -
Btw Anna, I think the sentence beginning ‘I am the last person to rail against…’ needs a *not* in it?
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 2:35 pm -
I think the sentence says what Anna meant; it’s just that the phrase ‘to rail against the idea that’ gives it the feel of a collection of double-negatives.
“I am the last person to [suggest] that anyone suffering from mental disability or … illness [not] be allowed to give evidence in court — …” might have been clearer.
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- Pericles Xanthippou
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 10:45 am -
I am the last person to rail against the idea that anyone suffering from mental disability or mental illness be allowed to give evidence in court
As I very nearly went down for life because a mentally ill person, The Bestes Frau In The Whole Wide World, gave evidence in my defence, let me be the first to rail against anyone with a mental illness being let anywhere near a courtroom unless the court/jury have been properly briefed. I don’t know how many appointments I made for the wife to see Mental Health Practitioners etc over the years that I then had to cancel because she decided that that nice Psychiatrist was an agent of Satan.
For a long time The Bestes Wife BELIEVED (and probably still does in her heart of hearts) that I had taken up a knife to kill her. When she told it to the nice Polizei man she was telling the Truth, in her reality I did take a knife out of the kitchen drawer and attempt to kill her.. The fact in that everyone’s elses reality I wasn’t even in the flat, strictly speaking, at the time but was chatting to my neighbour on balcony would , I fear, these days been immaterial to the case….especially as even the most junior CPS tea-lady could ‘case build’ with the fact I had convictions for attempting to kill people using a knife.So with my own personal experience very much in mind, reading your post, I have a horrible feeling that SH will be spending the rest of his ruined life behind bars because by the time he is ready for release they will probably find some way to ensure he never gets out. I looked at the website and it seems the Good Ex-GP is keeping his hopes up that his daughter will ‘recover’ and tell the truth- as if that, even if it did ever happen, would make any difference to the Crown?! She will be then diagnosed with Retro-Stockholm syndrome or whatever.
- Ho Hum
August 22, 2016 at 11:38 am -
@ Anna R
The linked website provides an extremely well written, clear explanation of the background and the pertinent events in the legal process and its subsequent history. The author is to be commended for conveying the resultant issues involved so clearly
The one thing that puzzles me just a little, though, and it may be a deliberate attempt to ensure that neither is the main content distracted from nor is its tenor reduced to one of apparently merely whingeing at the professionals involved, is that there is almost no information provided as to the nature and qualifications of the prosecution’s ‘expert’ witnesses, particularly when it is alleged that so much of the diagnostic conclusions are ones that do not seem to have mainstream professional support – although that might well also apply presently to the science of rebutting recovered memory science
Without getting into any individual mud slinging, which would detract from the main points, are you able to throw any more light on any of that?
- Moor Larkin
August 22, 2016 at 12:29 pm -
The Judge’s disallowing of the Boakes expert evidence was explicitly linked to the legal notion that “experts” should not be encouraged to prevail over “the common sense of the jury”. It’s not hard to see that this will reflect back to the legally ill-starred expertise of Professor Sir Roy Meadow – from Leeds as it happens.
- Margaret Jervis
August 22, 2016 at 1:19 pm -
The treating psychiatrist whose evidence was admitted was Dr Louise Atkin. The rebuttal opinion to Dr Boakes was Dr David Kingsley, also a treating psychiatrist of the complainant. but not admitted.
- Ho Hum
August 22, 2016 at 11:56 pm -
Thanks for the references. Much appreciated. Very helpful, particularly with regard to making clearer the role, legitimacy and acceptance, or otherwise, of ‘expert’ witness testimony
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
August 22, 2016 at 11:43 am -
I have gathered, by bits and pieces of info spotted over time, that more than a couple of the celebrity paedo caes stemming from 2012 and thereabouts actually involved the children of the celebrity in the dock. That this basic information is hidden from the public under the smoke & mirrors of the law about anonymity, makes the reportage of these matter postively deceitful.
I suspect that to the broad public, such an insight would give the mass mind pause for thought about what exactly this case is all about. On the other hand, the jury knowing about this close relationship probably makes the story all the more believable in the confines of a room, for why would a loving child make false allegations? The fact that more than one of the celebrities was found not guilty illustrates how much the predisposition of the jury mind must matter.
- Devastated Mum
August 28, 2016 at 9:37 pm -
My teenage son was maliciously accused by his younger step sister, however, when the allegations were listed in the gutter press it stated he was charged with 15 counts of rape with a child. As i have a daughter of similar age to the complainant it was suggested in our local village that my son had raped my daughter ….. Given that all parties in the case including my daughter shared at the time the same surname this stance was not only very dangerous but indeed extremely misleading and led to my daughter being asked if she had indeed been raped.
It became increasingly difficult not to disclose or put right who actually was the complainant when the wrong child was being victimised The complainant however, thankfully in our case was eventually shown to be a compulsive liar and had managed to falsely accuse other children of raping her just weeks before our trial was due to commence. The prosecutor stated “the complainant is not a witness of truth” and withdrew from the trial, leaving our family to pick up the shattered pieces of our very broken life.There are severe questions that need to be asked as to why the CPS ever charged my teenage son in the first place, firstly it was suggested at the beginning of September 2012 that the case received NFA, yet by the beginning of October CPS “changed their minds” and decided to charge. CPS refuse to answer or explain as to why the mood shifted yet there can only be one logical reason as we all know what happened at the end of September 2012.
- Devastated Mum
- Fairly Sane
August 22, 2016 at 11:59 am -
Having been prescribed Citalopram many years ago for depression, I would be very surprised that anyone would use it as a “rape drug”. My own experience was that it initially caused increased sensitivity and anxiety – I was not put into a mood that would have made me docile or compliant. After a period of time (weeks) the effects changed to a subtle change of temperament from a very flat depressed mood, to a fairly flat less-unhappy mood.
This was in the 1990s when SSRI’s were the in thing. I doubt I would be prescribed them again now.- Debbie
August 25, 2016 at 12:13 am -
It is still prescribed FS, I was given it just last year. :/
- Debbie
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 12:47 pm -
It worries me that this is a raccoon Exclusive, and with your opening paragraph fresh in my mind I did a bit of googling. Uhm there doesn’t appear to be even a Wiki entry for SH and other-blogs-which-shall-remain-nameless-but-might-reasonably-have-been-expected-to-comment are silent too. Even the Changling.porg petition has less subscribers than a call to protect the Outer Hibernian Lesser Crested Warbler from Abuse At The Hands Of Extra Terrestrials would get.
Why does ‘it’ (criticism of the MSM and questioning of the Justice System) increasingly seem to come down to some Ol’Gal in Norfolk who should be spending her remaining years on gentler pursuits such as bird watching, painting and wild drunken boat parties on the Boards (I’m sure ‘sketching a windmill’ is actually an euphemism..)
My belief that we did have such a judicial system has been severely shaken by Stephen’s case
I marvel that you still had that belief, shaken or stirred. after you all have learned/experienced the last few years. Certainly just reading here has removed any doubt in my mind as to the state of our justice system. - SheDragon
August 22, 2016 at 1:01 pm -
What needs investigating, apart from the horrendous side effects of any medication that Stephen’s daughter was prescribed by persons supposedly trained as psychiatrists, yet all they seem capable of doing is saying, “Here, take these pills.” and then failing to recognise that frequently, those pills actually make their patient WORSE, is whether or not she had food intolerance.
If a person has an intolerance to gluten, although it usually presents in the form of digestive complications, it can also cause serious mental health issues, a fact which both doctors and psychiatrists are incapable of recognising!
And then there is the distinct possibility that the girl had aspartame poisoning – this EVIL artificial sweetener, which is a KNOWN poison, causes hyperactivity in children and was very likely the cause of her serious temper tantrums.
I had personal experience of how children, within 10 minutes of having this substance which is frequently contained in fruit squash, turn from nice, well behaved children, into absolute horrors!
Aspartame can also cause susceptible people, especially those with other unrecognised food issues, to hear voices, a fact which psychiatrists never bother to investigate!
Perhaps if the girl’s diet can be altered to cleanse her system completely, take her off the drugs which are being used to control her, maybe then would she remember what REALLY happened.- The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 1:13 pm -
So all my Wife’s mental illness might be down to her love of gluten based foods?
If only I had known, could have spared her the electro-shock therapy. /sarcasm.Don’t get wrong, I know what certain sweeteners can do to me (or rather what I believe they can do) but before a GP would hold down his own daughter and ‘illegally’ give her any form of psych drug, things would have gone far far beyond the ‘serious temper tantrum’ stage.
- Margaret Jervis
August 22, 2016 at 1:44 pm -
Not sure where you get the ‘holding down’ bit from.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 3:46 pm -
.@MJ She now alleged that the incidents of being ‘held down’ by her Father during temper tantrums
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 12:02 am -
@Blocked Dwarf – that’s her retro evidence -‘being held down’ and ‘drugged’ as with ‘rapes’ – not agreed evidence of being held down and drugged. Remember that there was a six plus year gap between domestic events and allegations with the divorce and hospitalisations in between.
- Ho Hum
August 23, 2016 at 12:16 am -
‘retro evidence’ cf ‘agreed evidence’?
Please forgive my ignorance, but where does the ‘retro’ descriptor come from, and what’s its significance, relative to the admissibility issue? ,
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 12:47 am -
@hohum – ‘retro’ – she made the allegations retrospectively – ie not until 6 years had passed and she ‘remembered’ the rapes. Prior to this she imagined all sorts of other things, which she would later disclaim or redefine. The nature of such narratives is that they are inconstant until there’s fixed intention. They are ‘progressive’. This of course is relevant to the reliability in the context of suggestion and language use – such as first having a ‘physical’ (ie ‘body’) memory whereby a sensation is held to be an event ‘memory’ leading to a cognitive inference. Common one with therapists used to be globus (lump in throat) being a ‘memory’ of oral sex ‘surfacing’. Juries could not be relied on to know that a ‘physical/body’ memory was a cognitive nonsense but indicative of a belief in ‘recovered memory’ – it’s not within their competence and they are probably steeped in popular culture as to this being possible and sensical as with ‘repressed memories’ ‘past lives’ etc. if the witness is compelling and convincing.
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 1:01 am -
@hohum – ref to ‘agreed evidence’ = not the defendant’s evidence. There was no ‘holding down’ to administer drugs. She was ‘held’ ie restrained for her own and others safety when suffering hysterical rages. That’s all. Don’t forget that all sorts of things happened to her in hospital (including attacks on self and others) , being restrained, being given drugs (no doubt when restrained) etc so the reliability of what was alleged could be contaminated with just about anything that had happened to her over the years since the time of the alleged rapes. That’s the reliability point. How can her evidence be tested?
- Ho Hum
August 23, 2016 at 10:19 am -
Thanks. I’d read the Story website in full, and I hadn’t quite been able to match up the different parts of the tale to your precis. Think I’ve got it now. And, yes, (and I know one shouldn’t start a sentence with ‘and’), I fully agree about the reliability issue.
But (that’s wrong too), after Meadows et al, it’s disappointing to see the judiciary, when admitting any testimony based in part on ‘expert’ knowledge in fields of no settled, or certain, science, apparently seeming to still be as crass as believe that they have some sort of innate superiority which allows them to determine whose ‘expertise’ might be ‘good’ and allowed, and whose might be ‘bad’ and excluded.
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 10:35 am -
The difficulty was the presumptions. The treating psych Atkins was only supposed to explain ‘symptoms’ but her explanations were loaded. The judge decided that because the complainant in live evidence she’d ‘always remembered’ her self certification was final – despite any other evidence and inconsistencies. She was her own ‘expert’. So an expert ‘opinion’ was excluded.
- Margaret Jervis
- Ho Hum
- Margaret Jervis
- Margaret Jervis
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 23, 2016 at 12:52 am -
@MJ you asked, I answered. As to whether she *was* ever held down by her father, Jimmy Savile, Roy Castle and the Massed ranks of Boys Brigade I know not. My view on the whole thing is very simply : No conviction based solely on the unchallenged ‘memory’ and testimony of a whack job is anywhere near ‘safe’ and I can’t understand why the CoA didn’t challenge the trial judge’s directions and admissions.
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 1:06 am -
@Blockeddwarf You would have to ask the Court of Appeal that. As with many other things about past judgements in this field. But they don’t engage in dialogue. Only judgements. Stare decisis. If you think it looks like something out of Alice in Wonderland, I might agree.
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 1:43 am -
@Margaret Jervis
That is interesting.
In an Irish case that went to Court of Appeal, the decisions are not so much ‘stare decisis’, but, as far as I can determine, were not published, or if they were, have disappeared – almost as though by magic!
- tdf
- Margaret Jervis
- Ho Hum
- Margaret Jervis
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Margaret Jervis
- Helga
August 22, 2016 at 1:51 pm -
SheDragon
We have discussed this in the PAFAA FB group. Diet and/or Aspartame has absolutely nothing to do with this case.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ljh
August 22, 2016 at 1:43 pm -
Of those medical students with whom I trained, those who became psychiatrists were not universally blessed with scepticism, pragmatism, worldliness or top grades. I can’t think of one I would be happy to treat a relative or friend. The benign understanding shrink mostly exists in popular culture.
- Jonathan King
August 22, 2016 at 2:11 pm -
We’ve all said it before – why on earth is the mainstream media, whose sole motive remains “it’s a good story”, ignoring stories like this? OK it might be undermining the faith of the public in our judicial system, but how many more cases like this must there be until someone “up top” clicks?
- Helga Speck
August 22, 2016 at 2:14 pm -
Jonathan – it’s just “not popular”. The media prefers to print the salacious stories the public crave. “Man innocent of historic sexual abuse” is not going to cut the mustard. It’s rare we see that in neon lights and on the front pages. The most recent was the David Bryant case and that only lasted a few days. Sadly.
- Eric
August 22, 2016 at 3:19 pm -
If dead PMs can be accused (and Heath is now regarded as guilty by a significant section of society) then it’s just a matter of time before a living PM is accused. The disconnect the public now feel about politics (and politicians are solely to blame having allowed a rampant media to cower them) they will, in enough numbers, accept an accusation as fact.
No politician, no Lord or Royal or businessman or celebrity should think today that their reputation is intact. Their families will carry the blame once they are dead.
Now you know why France has a defamation law to protect the dead as well. - The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 3:51 pm -
whose sole motive remains “it’s a good story”
No their sole motive is “Ker-CHING!” That’s like I-Ching but instead of reading how sticks fall one reads the runes of the Clicks.
- Helga Speck
- Fat Steve
August 22, 2016 at 2:32 pm -
On your usual Monday Morning form Anna …..what do you do with your week ends that sets you up so well for the week?
Actually leaving aside the specifics of this case within the context of your blog over the years I have followed it there are quite a few points in this post only a couple of which I comment upon.
I have done enough trials (predominantly matters of civil fraud) to be reluctant to think I personally am able to form a satisfactory view on a case without having been part of it so I don’t enter into the debate on the specifics of this case though that is not to say that I don’t have a view on the evidence of someone who has mental illness. The Dwarf expresses the issue succinctly ‘in her reality I did take a knife out of the kitchen drawer and attempt to kill her’. The issue is one of a subjective reality and whether one buys into it as a juror in a legal case ……or more generally in life how much one ‘buys’ into the subjective realities of those with whom one has dealings.
But on to the two general points that interest me.
1) I remember you making a point some years ago that the Law was not the right forum to address issues of Childhood Sexual Abuse predominantly because you though resources would be better devoted to counselling. I took issue with you , perhaps out of some misplaced confidence in my ols profession but I have now come round to the view that it is coming to look as if the present system may be sufficiently flawed
to require a total rethink. There are some possible explanations for this but if I picked one out personally it would be the oversupply of lawyers in the profession whereby standards of INDIVIDUAL Professional conduct are a thing of the past. The practice of Law has become red in tooth and claw in order to (at the lower levels) to keep ones job and (at the higher levels) to seek fame and fortune. Politics (in the broader sense of that word) appears to play a role in this. The Law is of course not the only part of the Establishment so affected and although we hear of it less often the Civil Service has become increasingly politicised. Neither is ideal but the consequences for Administration of Justice (yes JUSTICE not just with a capital J) are likely to be dire in the longer run. Its a shame for everyone concerned ….of course for the individual members of the Public caught up but not also those entering the legal profession who become mere tools in the hands of those with an agenda and position to pursue it.
2) You make a bold point when you say Do we have a judicial system that we can be proud of, that protects the vulnerable both from external predators and equally, and importantly, from the might of the state? My belief that we did have such a judicial system has been severely shaken by Stephen’s case. I suspect you are not alone and that is frightening ….how might that pan out in the medium to long run …..well Establishments get angry with those that challenge them……and no individual has greater IMMEDIATE power that a member of the Judiciary so one might expect some attempt at suppression of open debate of the Judiciary . One does speculate though once faith in the Judicial process is skaken what remains of a Legal System. We see the consequences in the Third World.
3) one final and really interesting point. You opined in one of our posts (I think it may have related to Lord Janner) that you found it difficult to believe that not one of the many people involved in investigating him broke ranks. I disagreed referring to the Kray/Boothby/ Driberg and suggesting you were in some ways fortunate having Miss Jones in loco parentis.
Why did no one break ranks on this one ?
I think the reason why no one may have broken ranks on many actual instances of ACTUAL Child Sex Abuse …..to adopt you words
‘there is not much point in sticking your neck out so far that you end up with no job’.- Fat Steve
August 22, 2016 at 2:50 pm -
PS If you want an example of what appears to be an example of INDIVIDUAL Professional integrity and breaking ranks then try this
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/mar/22/uk.iraq
Fun coz Jack Straw the proud owner of a Desmond (like myself) apparently may have over ruled/dismissed the legal opinion on the strength of his own legal expertise.- Eric
August 22, 2016 at 3:23 pm -
Chilcot report, come & gone in a few months and as the poster above says, it’s not a “good story” any more.
- Eric
- Eric
August 22, 2016 at 3:10 pm -
The Stalinisation of British law has become so entrenched I see no way out of this soon.
Show trials are the order of the day as the now wholly tabloid British media have joined in with police & prosecution now acutely aware of how to build a case, first in the media with the more formal part- the actual trial already having the defendant firmly condemned in the juries mind. You could never find a jury these days uninfluenced by the media.
The emotive issue of child abuse has been the perfect vehicle in which to introduce this whether by purpose or accident. It will get worse as the so-called hacking trials demonstrated that even when found to be breaching criminal law en masse, the UK’s media escaped unscathed with compensation paid to hacking victims a mere operating cost and slight dent in profits.
Those who presided over this mass criminal enterprise escaped unscathed and are welcome back into the corridors of power and oafs like Tom Watson who appeared to show such promise used a time old trick of inflicting some pain upon a target and then relenting and even embracing their victim: in his case media moguls, in the pursuit of power ( the ghastly Watson alone should be a reason people should pray Jeremy Corbyn prevails but in the end he won’t)
The great public is mesmerized by cheap celebrity brought to them by the very same people who have corrupted UK law. This is far more than a Witch Hunt, it is a seismic shift in UK Law and society and I see no end in sight.
It’s difficult to know just who can be accused for the masses to see sense. Cliff Richard was a step too far but the mendacious squad behind that sordid episode simply re-group and come back stronger and nastier than ever for there is no punishment. This has been happening for decades in the UK : police who lied and fabricated evidence about “IRA bombers” (and allowed the guilty to go free) were never called to account, never punished. You would be a fool to think today’s bent cops don’t realise there is no punishment fro their perversions of justice.Writers like George Orwell recognised this in the British national character but philosophers like Bertrand Russell were saying decades ago that Britain could easily go the way of the USSR. It’s happening in law but in a far more sophisticated way that the old Trots could possibly have imagined. It is just a matter of time before the concept of ‘innocent unless proved guilty ” is turned upon it’s head. It has with historic and current sex abuse trials. It will spread. Slowly but surely.
- Moor Larkin
August 22, 2016 at 5:12 pm -
interesting to reflect that one of the leading lights in the paedo-scaremongering was the anti-lefty “Labour 25” website, although I was unaware of it until long after it’s apparent creation: https://labour25.com/2011/04/03/five-year-old-boys-should-wear-dresses/
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 7:14 pm -
@Eric
An interesting and thought-provoking post. I believe you are right to mention the cases of the falsely convicted Irish alleged terrorists in the 1970s as part of the thesis you are making. I’ve been struck by this ever since Harvey Proctor’s press conference last year. When he was still an active politician, Proctor had little sympathy for the cause of Irish nationalism, whether of the moderate or violent tendency, so it’s somewhat ironic that he almost suffered a somewhat similar fate to the Birmingham Six. Several of my English or English-educated acquaintances and relatives were heard to loudly declaim, in relation to the Birmingham Six & Guildford Four, that they ‘MUST’ have dunnit, as the Great British police don’t just arrest and prosecute anyone on no basis, do they! And even if they did, a British judge couldn’t get it that badly wrong, Britain is not some South American banana republic! (to be fair, this was in the early 1990s, so not long after the quashing of the verdicts).
I would allow some sympathy for the police given they were under considerable public/press/political pressure to catch the culprits for some of the worst atrocities in the Troubles, were it not for the fact that some of the Birmingham Six are on record as saying that police openly told them, from day one, that they knew they were innocent.
Also, as you rightly state, with the exception of reputational damage to the forensics expert Dr Frank Skuse (the appointed scapegoat), no-one of those involved in the fit-ups really suffered a penalty, although IIRC the Birmingham Six did receive compensation, after a long fight.
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 4:08 pm -
The Dwarf expresses the issue succinctly
Actually The Dwarf could have expressed it better by saying not only that she ‘believed’ but also that she ‘KNEW’.
- Fat Steve
August 22, 2016 at 4:41 pm -
Aha Dwarf …..you raise issues of knowledge …..subjective ‘belief’ transmutes to subjective ‘knowledge’ transmutes to subjective ‘reality’ …. all personal knowledge is subjective but does not necessarily transmute to objective Truth …..one needs Popper’s Theory of Falsifiability to get somewhere near (or more properly nearer) objective Truth……what we seem to be approaching is that the subjective reality of a mentally disturbed individual is taken as ‘Objective Truth’ as a starting point…..capable of being put to the test of falsifiability but not apparently rebuttable by the denial of someone like Hamilton.
But this matter may not be that simple though that is a very long way from saying the conviction is anywhere near ‘safe’.- Don Cox
August 23, 2016 at 9:22 am -
Are we seeing the legacy of R D Laing here ?
- Ho Hum
August 23, 2016 at 10:01 am -
Hah! I went to a guest lecture of his once.
The local student rag described the experience as our having been treated to the ‘unedifying sight’ of him ‘picking his ear and flicking the proceeds’ and the most exciting part of the lecture having taken place when some woman in the front row – the auditorium held 500+ – had had the balls to walk out while he was rambling on incomprehensibly about butterflies.
One of our friends was a consultant psychiatrist at our local mental health establishment, and he and many of his colleagues had attended. He told me that their next day’s sharing of the event had been interesting, as not only were they all of one mind as to his being less than the whole shilling, they had all independently reached the same diagnosis. I only wish now that I had written it down, so as to be able to quote it here with certainty
Some of the old days were good ones. LOL
- Ho Hum
- Don Cox
- Fat Steve
- Fat Steve
- Eric
August 22, 2016 at 2:48 pm -
18 years seems to be an excessive sentence. Anti-depressants could never be used as ‘rape date drug’ but isn’t this yet another fraudulent CPS device to introduce another way to describe the accused as ‘evil’ and the fact that he was found not guilty means little- the damage is done.
Similar was done to Rolf Harris with cops repeatedly claiming child porn had been found on his computer. The police & the CPS now know that it ‘s so easy to plant the lie in the mind of the public from where a jury will come. And once established the lie becomes fact so you will find a 100 websites that are convinced Harris was guilty of an offence he wasn’t even charged with.- Moor Larkin
August 22, 2016 at 3:05 pm -
came across a Telegraph headline from 2013 after Giving Voices to Victims was published. It referred to “Savile was still abusing children in 2009”. The 2009 allegation came frrom a 43 year-old woman on a train (allegedly). The media is an all-powerful imbecile.
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 7:33 pm -
^ The tactic seemed to be that they wanted a back-up plan in case the main charges failed?
I think I am correct in recalling that Mark Williams-Thomas was the first major media figure to reveal that the police were investigating Harris. As it turned out, his information was accurate. We do not know who leaked the information to MWT but troubling that this type of thing still goes on post-Leveson.
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
August 22, 2016 at 3:05 pm -
The ‘facts’ of the case of getting in the way of the points made by Anna. It’s not primarily about whether he’s guilty or not but whether evidence as to the complainant’s unreliability as a witness should have been admitted and the implication of the Court of Appeal’s exclusion for this and other cases in terms of fairness.
- Moor Larkin
August 22, 2016 at 4:03 pm -
Technicalities of the law are why Dirty Harry and Death Wish became so popular in the 1970’s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAkyNyQBnyo
Of course, the twist in those movies is that it was “the Establishment” who were behind the executions and murders.
- Moor Larkin
- suffolkgirl
August 22, 2016 at 3:26 pm -
The point about body memory is particularly worrying. It’s positively medieval. I hope that your article is picked up elsewhere. Kudos to you for writing it first.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 3:42 pm -
It’s positively medieval
You don’t have to scroll very far up the page to find that the belief in witchcraft is still alive and well in the C21. But perchance the poor maiden’s suffering might be relieved by the judicious application of the leech? It doth draw out all manner of evil humours (and what pray is ‘body memory’ save but an evil infestation of the body physik?) from the blood…
Coupled with a Dr.Snappy’s Patent Detox , and much prayer, surely a cure for this unfortunate child might be affected and harmony to her soul restored?
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Duncan Disorderly
August 22, 2016 at 3:39 pm -
I do not know if this man is guilty. He may well be. This problem is that I cannot see how such a verdict could be reached, even on the balance of probability.
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 12:43 am -
@DD
The law has changed.
There is no longer a burden of proof on the prosecution
Also, Read aZ
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 12:45 am -
^ oops, I meant, read Eric’s post, which is thought-provoking if nothing else.
- tdf
- tdf
- Fat Steve
August 22, 2016 at 4:03 pm -
Anna
Suspect you may have or will pick up on this News item
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37149029
the Richmond Hill trial got under way, a second trial was proposed, again by a school psychiatrist, at Springhead Park Approved School for girls in Rothwell near Leeds.
This was a sister school to the better known Duncroft in Surrey, a small institution for girls of higher intelligence.
The more I hear about what was going on back then the more I admire those who set their face against it - Lisboeta
August 22, 2016 at 5:53 pm -
The only small comfort I can glean is that, besides our diligent and trail-blazing landlady, other well-credentialled people are now beginning to express disquiet about trial evidence which amounts to nothing more than “the victim/s must be believed”. Of course, it’s too late to help those unfortunates who have already been convicted on the basis of flimsy, untested claims. But it might mean that future witch-hunts will be tempered by the application of more rigorous evidence-testing? (Well, we can live in hopes — but I’m not holding my breath!)
“There is some good in this world, and it’s worth fighting for.” J.R.R. Tolkien - GG
August 22, 2016 at 6:48 pm -
“an acrimonious divorce”…so could it be (as with Hampstead / Hoaxstead satanism) that things started with an angry wife?
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 7:01 pm -
Ad rem, I apologize for not making a constructive (or any other) contribution to this important discussion but I need time to go through the appeal-court judgment. (Thank you, ma’am, for the correct spelling of the word!) And to find, if possible, a transcript of the trial at first instance.
This might — likely will — offend the egalitarians amongst those leaning on the bar or gathered around the fire but it bears saying. A large part of the problem with the practice and administration of the law to-day is this absurd obsession with ‘social mobility’; it’s what has given rise to an acceptance throughout society of a general mediocrity.
All fields seem affected by this but it’s most noticeable in law and medicine. For example: I don’t know when it ceased as a general concept but there was a time not long ago when, in order to read law, one had to have Latin; within my lifetime one could not read medicine without both Latin and Greek. (At some point they seem to have dropped the Greek; then the Latin; now, I believe, you can major in medicine if able to order at McDonald’s by the numbers on the menu!)
The fact is that, if we want a high standard of practice in our professions, we must return to demanding a high standard of achievement in basic education and then in the tertiary phase — whether that be under articles (solicitors) or when devilling in chambers.
We that live under what we suppose the best legal system in the World are lucky to have doggedly persistent minds like that of our esteemed executive officer — he says, gracefully crossing the brow of Broads-sword, and saluting the quarterdeck — prepared to devote time and effort to exposing and analysing its lamentable defects.
I thank you all for your indulgence; if, having read the transcripts aforesaid, I have any further comment, I’ll return to the forum.
ΠΞ
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 22, 2016 at 8:01 pm -
you can major in medicine if able to order at McDonald’s by the numbers on the menu!)
They have numbers?! Not round these parts they don’t. Be far too complicated, Norfolkers liking simple things. Round this webbed toed way you points to the pretty picture thingy…tha ois all li’ up like one f ‘hem Magic Lan’ern’s from London.
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 8:12 pm -
“now, I believe, you can major in medicine if able to order at McDonald’s by the numbers on the menu!”
“Major in?” I can adjust fine to the ditching of the Latin and Greek, but if we could leave out the bloody awful Americanisms, for the benefit of those of us of a nervous disposition.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 8:34 pm -
tdf, I feel bound to disappoint you and advise that, where a difference exists between the English of to-day’s Britain and that of America, it’s almost always, at least amongst the educated, in favo(u)r of the Americans. Let us take e.g. the suffix ‘-ize’, which the British have, since the 19th. c., erroneously spelt ‘-ise’*. Funnily enough modern Americans — now themselves almost totally unversed in Greek — often misspell ‘analyse’ ‘analyze’!
You would save yourself conniptions, I feel, were you to adopt not only the ancient languages — from which a comprehensive understanding of today’s western European ones stems — but also the traditional language of England, found more commonly in ‘the colonies’ than here.
ΠΞ
* There are good orthographic reasons for this in German (‘-isieren’) and, to a lesser extent, French (‘-iser’).
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 9:02 pm -
@Pericles
“Let us take e.g. the suffix ‘-ize’, which the British have, since the 19th. c., erroneously spelt ‘-ise’*.”
Touche. You got me. Re-reading my own posts, I see that I managed to use both in the same post above.
“You would save yourself conniptions, I feel, were you to adopt not only the ancient languages”
If I were to do so, would my own race’s ancient language (*) owe a debt to Ancient Greek or Ancient Rome? Not a rhetorical question, by the way, I’m genuinely curious.
(* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Irish_language )
- Sean Coleman
August 22, 2016 at 9:53 pm -
How they laughed when I told my old French class that Americans speak better English.
I think the Irish Times is the main culprit in the spread of the ‘ise’ suffix over here. Always trying to drag this benighted land out of the shadows of superstition and irrationality. A thankless task.
From yesterday’s Sunday Independent, the start of an article about a celebrity lawyer: ‘As always, Gerald Kean is in ebullient form, showering compliments like confetti over the waiter and I.’
It continues: ‘In fact, you would be hard pressed to find anyone in Dublin who has seen him any other way.
‘We had originally planned to meet in Dax restaurant, close to his office, but the opening hours didn’t quite fit his schedule so I inform the PR woman that we will have to pick an alternative venue.
‘She replies some time later to say that that Gerald says that ‘Dax will open for him.’ So I put in a call and drop his name. Unfortunately they won’t.’ [I added this in case anyone was interested in what came next.]
You will have noticed the grammatical error, but will others?
While I’m at it: ‘In their pomp’. Even Peter Hitchens used this recently. My hunch is that it is new. Can anyone help? The woman who claims that Clement Freud put his tongue into her mouth when she was a girl also wrote about a visit to her mother (?) starting at the local ‘train station’. It turns out (when you look closely at the small print) that this account was composed long years after it all happened so it doesn’t prove anything. I also wonder when the phrase ‘This will be our little secret’ entered the language.
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 10:20 pm -
^ “You will have noticed the grammatical error, but will others?”
I must admit that I initially didn’t notice the grammatical error – but that is mainly because, although I did scan that article yesterday, I don’t expect grammatical accuracy from a 35 year old churnalist whose articles and interviews read like the ramblings of a particularly stupid Pass English student.
As for Kean, if he’s in debt, couldn’t he just sell the, allegedly, mainly unused 10 bedroom house and cut back on the posho meals in the likes of Dax? That’s what I’d be advising, if I were his accountant.
I was told that Kean’s ex-wife drove a car with the ‘personalised reg plate’ 97-C 10 (get it?) which was amusing for about five seconds back in circa 1997 or so.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 10:58 pm -
tdf: ‘-ize’
I can understand how, after more than a century, English and Irish (https://annaraccoon.com/2016/08/22/exclusive-stephen-hamilton-2/#comment-18205726434450704) usage has been subsumed in the
output of the mainstream media.
The suffix has its origin in classical Greek: the general form ‘-izein’ (the infinitive) would be added to almost anything to create a verb meaning ‘-ize’, such as we use to-day. From this we derive our ‘-ize’: hospitalize, characterize … the list is infinite.
The letter ‘z’ was originally, as in Latin, unknown to French. French therefore substituted ‘s’ for ‘z’ in such words and created — or, as Nick Clegg would have said, ‘crated’ — the suffix ‘-iser’. The French language is full of such verbs.
In German the letter ‘z’ is pronounced ‘ts’: orthographically, therefore, its inclusion would give rise to a fundamental mispronunciation.
ΠΞ
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 11:10 pm -
@Pericles
I haven’t the faintest clue what you’re on about, to be honest.
I was told at school that Irish is an ‘Indo-European’ language, which doesn’t seem to mean a heck of a lot, as there are many hundreds of them.
It seems that Irish Gaelic is from a different route than English, which is largely from Germanic routes – that might explain why I found it much easier to learn German compared to Irish at school.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 11:34 pm -
Some years ago, tdf, I examined in some detail — ‘studied’ were too heavy a word for it — the Gaelic languages and the derivation therefrom of to-day’s commonplace ones. As a lover of ancient languages I must confess disappointment in finding relatively little.
The presence in to-day’s English of a Gaelic influence is undeniable but, by and large, the predominant influences come from Greek, Latin, Norman-French and German.
In many ways this is lamentable but the fact is that languages will be preserved only as long as they serve a practical purpose.
ΠΞ
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 11:59 pm -
“Some years ago, tdf, I examined in some detail — ‘studied’ were too heavy a word for it — the Gaelic languages and the derivation therefrom of to-day’s commonplace ones. As a lover of ancient languages I must confess disappointment in finding relatively little.
The presence in to-day’s English of a Gaelic influence is undeniable but, by and large, the predominant influences come from Greek, Latin, Norman-French and German.”
That would not surprise me. I was told at school that Gaelic was an ‘Indo-European’ language, as though that gave it a certain gravity. This was before I had figured out that ‘Indo-European language’ means, frankly, jack-all.
“In many ways this is lamentable but the fact is that languages will be preserved only as long as they serve a practical purpose.”
A friend, from a Donegal Gaeltacht background, is given to commenting sardonically on this matter (his view is that the Gaelgoirs in his community mainly ‘put it on’ in front of the tourists, and/or when the person responsible for administering or approving their grant from the Dublin government is due a visit, and that the self-styled Gaelgoirs speak English when no-one else is listening). That’s a very ‘Irish’ anecdote, now that I think of it.
- Michael Massey
August 23, 2016 at 1:22 pm -
The playing up for grants, or so that drink was taken and spirits rose is a running theme of Flann O’Brien’s book: The Poor Mouth which has me laughing out loud every time I read it.
- Michael Massey
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 12:08 am -
“In many ways this is lamentable but the fact is that languages will be preserved only as long as they serve a practical purpose.”
Of course, logically, you have defeated yourself, no?
You remind me of the school master in ‘The Deserted Village’, who e’en though argued out, he could argue still.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 23, 2016 at 1:39 am -
One ought perhaps to bear in mind that linguists are inclined to use the term ‘Proto-Indo-European’ as a convenient handle with which to manipulate a large number of modern languages. Their doing so has the unfortunate effect of making their attitude to significant differences amongst such languages seem if nothing more then at least supercilious.
The term, however, is entirely justified — from a philological point of view — in tracing the manifold modern languages back to a justifiable common source.
ΠΞ
- Pericles Xanthippou
- tdf
- Pericles Xanthippou
- tdf
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 10:33 pm -
O, Sean, how I symphathize with you! ‘Between xxx and I’: I recall even Francis Wheen — on Lord Hall-Hall’s ‘News Quiz’ — moved to lament this erroneous form in the diction of the former Duchess of York (‘between the Duke and I’). (I inferred from the audience’s reaction that his comment was not even understood.)
I too wince on hearing from a good — and adorable — friend that she will be collecting her equally delectable daughter from the ‘train station’. I must admit, however, that my revulsion stems only from my habitual use of English diction: she’s a Kiwi. In modern Greek — the ancients had no ‘siderodromos’ (railway) — ‘o stathmos’ (the station) might be said to allude to the station (stopping) of either the train or the railway … à choix.
Ah, well. Let our lives not be bound by the glories of the past of which the proles of to-day have no understanding and even less love.
ΠΞ
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 10:49 pm -
I couldn’t help but notice that Francis Wheen was in a wheelchair when he was testifying in the case against Napier a few years back.
I read one of his books a few years back. I found it alright. I hope he is ok, he seems like a nice person.
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 10:55 pm - Hadleigh Fan
August 23, 2016 at 1:04 pm -
re ‘siderdromos’: How fascinating, another ‘iron road’. Are the English alone in having ‘railways’. Everyone else I know has ‘iron roads’, e.g. chemin de fer, ferrovia, ferroviale, Eisenbahn, Iarnrod Eireann (apologies for no accents) …
- Sean Coleman
August 23, 2016 at 1:41 pm -
Five minutes after writing my comment last night I read a quote in Chrisopher Booker’s book (I can’t think of a better way of writing that) The Neophiliacs, from a work by W. B. Maxwell titled ‘The Countess of Maybury: Between You and I’ (1901). Another of those odd little coincidences. Someone is having a larf.
It seems wrong to me but someone might be able to make a case. I couldn’t say something like ‘It is I.’ That’s like ‘Allo ‘Allo: ‘It is I, Leclerc.’ Similar to English, but not quite. I would also naturally say ‘Me and John are going down the shops’ although if it is a formal setting I might be shamed into saying ‘John and me’.
‘Over the waiter and I’ You get the same anxiety about grammar, a sort of malapropian overcompensation, in what I like to call Gaelic (‘We call it Irish’) and probably in all languages. In Gaelic it is called gramatachas or graimeatachas where you try to ‘put in’ more than is necessary. So someone might say or write ‘Tá sé leis an tAire’ instead of ‘Tá sé leis an Aire’ where the ‘t’ sticks out like a sore thumb, never being used after a preposition. But they feel they have to say the right thing. It is like a story an old friend of mine from Bradford told me about his headmaster. At parent evenings he would announce at regular intervals, ‘ ‘Ow ‘appy hI ham to be ‘ere with hyou tonight!’
Have you seen this living Latin thing?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a61Dc_EFuI4
I came across it recently but I have to use the subtitles because he talks so fast I can’t catch it all.
I feel I have a duty to use the -ize spelling at work although a sharp eye further up the line will usually circle it in red ink, or put a red line through it in ‘tracked changes’. ‘But that’s an Americanisation!’ somebody might object (meaning an Americanization, if he’d looked it up in a dictionary), but who says we have to use English English in Ireland?
Bishop Bell’s anonymous accuser says he told her, when he sat her (where else?) on his knee to (what else?) read her bedtime stories in and around the late 40s, ‘This will be our little secret’. I wonder if the phrase was ever heard then. It seems to be obligatory nowadays, straight out of Myles na gCopaleen’s Catechism of Cliché, a ritual (Ritualized Sexual Abuse claims) where the fantasies are lurid but bereft of real imagination or originality. I blame television.
- Sean Coleman
August 23, 2016 at 1:47 pm -
‘I blame television’
I am talking about the therapists here.
- Sean Coleman
- tdf
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 10:42 pm -
@Sean
Can’t help you with the origins of those particular phrases. ‘In their pomp’ seems to me like a phrase that has long entered the vernacular, possibly dating from the days of Marie Antoinette, but that’s just my guess.
The case of Clement Freud strikes me, prima facie, as somewhat analagous to the case of Sir Nicholas Fairbairn (regarded as one of the most talented lawyers of his generation, or any other, in Scotland).
Allegations were made against the latter, and found their way into the print media, not too many years after he passed away, in 1995, after, it has been alleged, a lengthy battle with alcoholism. ( It was a somewhat unusual and rather one-sided battle, as he mainly fought on the same side as his foe. ) Also, he (Fairbairn, that is, not Freud) was alleged to have been a frequenter of the Elm Guest House. Seeing as the notorious EGH lists have been proven to be almost entirely (not 100%, granted, but one cannot prove a negative) unreliable, that in itself doesn’t really prove anything against him.
It has been alleged also that contemporaneous reports exist which suggest that Fairbairn, in his youth, was a bi-sexual with, if anything, a preference for his own gender, for example his involvement with the ‘Scottish Minorities Group’ and similar. Of course, that should not be taken as meaning or implying that he did anything illegal, whether under the laws of that time or of today.
- Fat Steve
August 23, 2016 at 10:26 am -
Also, he (Fairbairn, that is, not Freud) was alleged to have been a frequenter of the Elm Guest House.
Whilst not terribly familiar with the details of this Establishment it does strike me it might be called Room 101 for shorthand…..a convenient place to put people if one doesn’t like them for whatever reason- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 8:07 pm -
“Whilst not terribly familiar with the details of this Establishment it does strike me it might be called Room 101 for shorthand…..a convenient place to put people if one doesn’t like them for whatever reason”
Probably not a bad description! I imagine the process of writing the lists as running somewhat along the following lines:
“Ok tell you what, these lists are looking ok, but the thing is, we’ve too many Tories. Need to balance it out a bit. We don’t want just the Labour papers following up on this, best to throw the Tory press a few bones too.” “Well, ok, put in Greville Janner then, he’s Labour, inn he? And that Cyril Smith guy, you know, the big fat feller. Lib Dem I think.” “Ok, will do. We’ve too many Jews though, we don’t want anyone thinking we’re on some anti-semitic witch-hunt”. “Good point. What about that Harvey Proctor bloke, blonde Aryan type of feller, doesn’t look Jewish to me? Dodgy as well, I’ve heard, wasn’t he done for spanking rentboys or summat?” “Yeah, good idea. Put ‘im in.”
Btw, there are persons on the lists that most probably were indeed wrong ‘uns. The problem is that they aren’t reliable as evidence of, well, anything at all, and certainly not of evidence of illegal activity taking place at that particular guest home.
- tdf
- Fat Steve
- Mrs Grimble
August 23, 2016 at 3:33 pm -
“In his/their pomp” is not at all new, I remember it from years back. It’s probably from this Bible verse:
Therefore hell hath enlarged herself, and opened her mouth without measure: and their glory, and their multitude, and their pomp, and he that rejoiceth, shall descend into it. Isiah 5:14 – the King James version.The “Our little secret” phrase seems to be fairly new, at least in CSA cases; I don’t remember it before the 1990s. Before that, according to most contemporary accounts, paedophiles seemed to use various threats to frighten their victims – “You’ll get taken away and put into care”, “I’ll come back and kill your little brother” etc. Curious how they all seem to have dropped the threats and replaced it with this hackneyed phrase!
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 23, 2016 at 3:55 pm -
“Our little secret”
I have a feeling it might have come from the US. Certainly Vachss was using the phrase ‘Children Of The Secret’ in the mid to late 80’s. That Kiddy raping maggots no longer use threats just means they are pretending to be proper paedophiles ie they can tell themselves it was with ‘consent’….
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 4:24 pm -
‘Our little secret’ – viral late 80s and beyond. Though retro accounts date it back eg Bishop Bell 40s (but no account until 90s). Think Virginia Andrews Flowers in the Attic sagas popularised incest fantasies and feminist creative writing classes the ‘real thing’. Courage to Heal was written by former creative writing therapists.
- Moor Larkin
August 23, 2016 at 5:59 pm -
Sybil, the mummy of them all, was largely formulated by a journalist.
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
- Sean Coleman
August 24, 2016 at 9:56 am -
Mrs Grimble
I was aware of its use in the KJ Bible. But the phrase ‘in their pomp’ is a new one on me and, while I can imagine protestant evangelicals using it in earlier years to describe the Vatican, I only heard it for the first time a few months ago, when suddenly everyone was saying it (like ‘sort it’, ‘no brainer’ or ‘step up to the plate’).
‘Our little secret’ is an example that while liars and the deluded lie easily they lie badly. As I said above, it’s almost ritualized or stylized, or as if they were remembering lines from a school play.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- tdf
- tdf
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Alcibiades
August 22, 2016 at 9:13 pm -
“If we want a high standard of practice in our professions, we must return to demanding a high standard of achievement in basic education and then in the tertiary phase — whether that be under articles (solicitors) or when devilling in chambers.”
What a bloated load of old puff that was! As AR pointed out convictions like this can happen because of very particular changes in the way the legal system works: “The inclusion of the ‘administering’ and ‘cruelty’ charges is a classic example of the Starmer/Saunders edict on ‘case building’ where the focus is not on the reliability of the complainant’s evidence but on boosting the prospect of a conviction by seeking to introduce evidence prejudicial to the defendant. The jury were directed that they could use a conviction on this count as some support for the prosecution case on the other counts.”
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 9:20 pm -
@Alcibiades
I think also that Eric’s post, setting out his thesis about what he sees as a longer term trend, is interesting.
As of the late 1980s, the late Lord Denning (hardly a product of a plebeian education or background), was ranting about ‘appalling vistas’ if the verdict against the Guildford Four were not upheld. Pericles, I think, hankers after a past of what he sees as much higher standards in the professions and the judiciary that, if you ask me, never really existed. I’m more inclined to go with Eric’s thesis on this one.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 9:50 pm -
Exactly as I said: this [will] offend the egalitarians.
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- Alcibiades
August 23, 2016 at 6:30 pm -
Nothing to do with ‘egalitarians’. You attribute this verdict to problems in the secondary education system and in universities. You completely ignore what AR actually says is the cause. Might I suggest you are the one in need of a little rigour?
- Alcibiades
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 9:57 pm -
Don’t expect from me any sympathy whatever with the ridiculous idea of equality: no species in the entire animal kingdom seeks or would seek it.
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- Fat Steve
August 23, 2016 at 11:14 am -
“If we want a high standard of practice in our professions, we must return to demanding a high standard of achievement in basic education and then in the tertiary phase — whether that be under articles (solicitors) or when devilling in chambers.”
I have some sympathy for the view expressed by both Pericles and Alcibiades in so far as that possible.
I am doubtful that academic excellence alone produces good outcomes in the Law if one seeks Justice as the end to be pursued but little doubt academic ability is essential as a starting point . I think both Academic and Intellectual ability and breadth is required to produce good outcomes. I agree the study of classics is highly useful and frankly is a good test of both academic ability and intellect though not of course the only one. It is the narrowness of many lawyers nowadays that may be something of the problem. I would challenge the view that the practice should be linear and mechanistic …..the art of Law leading to just outcomes is in the exercise of discretion within legal parameters …..Law is a Humanity not a Science ….the rules of evidence for instance reflecting the accumulated knowledge and wisdom as to what is ‘safe’. in order to guard against human frailty, be it by members of the Jury or for that matter by members of the Judiciary.
But I concur that there never was a ‘golden age’ in the Law but from a personal perspective there was a ‘better age’ …..where discretion appeared to be exercised to produce better outcomes (or should that be less bad ones?) on an individual basis (though not of course for the Guildford Four or Birmingham Six though one might argue as both Denning and Donaldson did that in matters of Treason certainty of outcome must be weighed in the balance though I personally don’t subscribe to that view) …..the tail now appears to wag the dog perhaps because the dog doesn’t see purpose beyond wagging its tail…..its a safe occupation for the dog …..it’s a relatively safe way to earn a pat, a Knighthood and Judicial Pension (outside the fiscal rules that apply to lesser mortals)- Fat Steve
August 23, 2016 at 11:28 am -
Just as an interesting aside Denning extended some rules of evidence applicable to Murder to Homosexual Offences apparently because he considered homosexual practices were something on a par in some senses with the taking of a life …..There, to some I will have just shot myself in the foot about a ‘better age’ and ‘discretion’ !!!!
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 23, 2016 at 11:47 am -
Well put, Steve. This narrowness of experience besets all life to-day, a point raised this morning by Lord Baker, interviewed by Peter Hennessy, when he stressed the need for school leavers to know more than the basic academic subjects that have for years made up the curriculum.
ΠΞ
- Fat Steve
August 23, 2016 at 1:12 pm -
Actually Pericles I reckon the Classics teaches many things ….most obviously the importance of precision of expression of thought and analysis …..but also humility if one wishes to learn that lesson from its study. It does though give something of a (healthy?) intolerance for those whose analytical skills and language might benefit from instruction in the classics but are arrogant enough to believe they have no need.
I have found one of the charachteristics of what I consider to be a fine mind is awareness of its limitations ….I know it best from some Physicians who will express an opinion outside of their field (often accurate as it turns out) but always refer on to a Specialist.
But I also experienced it in legal practice but it takes real confidence in oneself to accept ones limitations
The Sally Clarke case was a classic case of lack of humility- Fat Steve
August 23, 2016 at 1:23 pm -
Just as a further observation about the classics I believe it teaches the lesson that framing the right question is more important than necessarily knowing the right answer but gettingthe question wrong. Again the Sally Clarke case illustrates this.
- Don Cox
August 23, 2016 at 5:21 pm -
I found that having studied Latin at school was helpful, not only for my degree in zoology, but later for learning computer programming. The same precision of thought is needed for programming.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 23, 2016 at 5:51 pm -
Back in the early 90s I was interviewed for University places to take theology. The interviewer was delighted to hear i spoke fluent German because, at that time, a lot of important theological stuff tended to be published in German first. Indeed back in 6th Form when we chose A level subjects in the 80s we were told that if we wanted to do Chemistry or theology later at Uni then having ‘A’ level German on our UCAS was a major plus in the eyes of the Unis. Which rather surprised me as I had assumed that Latin would be the Gold Standard for theology students. Seems only those wishing to pursue a legal career needed all that ‘dolce et decorum’ malarkey. What further surprised me was that English was not required for anything, not even for those going in to teaching! Which may go part way to explaining the appalling grammar of this post….
- Don Cox
- Fat Steve
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 7:12 pm -
“This narrowness of experience besets all life to-day”- I can agree with that statement, up to a point – in fact it’s a favourite theme of mine (though I’m no classics scholar). But this is not as recent a development as you seem to think.
Are any of you familiar with C P Snow’s landmark ‘Two Cultures’ address?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Two_Cultures
It was written in 1959!
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 23, 2016 at 9:08 pm -
Excellent reference, tdf. Follows on from my reply to Steve earlier.
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- Fat Steve
August 24, 2016 at 9:23 am -
.Are any of you familiar with C P Snow’s landmark ‘Two Cultures’ address?
I wasn’t and am grateful for the reference.
To me it highlights the point I tried to make about the right question rather than an answer.
Law is a Humanity …..taking the example of the Second Law of Termo dynamics from the reference , someone practicing the Humanities doesn’t need to understand it …..only to know of its existence, or possibly only that it may exist and its possible relevance to the issue he needs to address.
In the Sally Clarke case it was a matter of appreciating that statistical analysis was an issue but one requiring expert evidence Within the Adversarial System the only Party competant to challenge the evidence was the Defence
Actually the issue of statistical evidence given by Meadows is considerablu worse than you might imagine. Some knowledge of statistical analysis is an essential for any Doctor carrying out research ……it has to be if one thinks about it since one is seeking to draw conclusions about the efficacy of treatement or incidence of disease in a sample of Patients.When writing her Doctorate my wife had to attend a course on Statistics and learn the basic principles …..enough not to solve any statistical problem necessarily but to identify that a statistical issue needed to be addressed …..not necessarily answered by her but needing to be addressed properly. Meadows believed his personal expertise extended to Statistics ….it should have extended enough to realise there was a statistical problem but what was lacking was humility to realise he couldn’t answer it. It would be interesting to examine his academic achievements as a case study of the points under discussion between Pericles, Alcibiades and myself but I do note he didn’t appear to take the usual academic route to Professorship starting out as a GP. Does he hold a Phd ? I raise this because although he has published a book that book may not have been subject to academic review and examination by any Academic Authority. I suspect he had little training in the humanities though interestingly he was a follower of Anna Freud and within that context it worth recalling Popper’s opinion of Psychology that it is not a true science but the equivalent of ‘magic thinking’ (though not without value). Meadows (clutching to whatever bits of paper he had evidencing his academic ability) was like a twelve year old clutching to a computer who reckons he has the ability to solve all the world’s problems once he has it.
I observe that the practice of Law may recently have failed to draw adequate distinction between the practice of Science and the practice of a Humanity and hence my reference to linear and mechanistic methodology which I believe may be misplaced based on doubts as to the efficacy of outcomes such as this case
- Fat Steve
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Fat Steve
- Fat Steve
August 24, 2016 at 8:10 am -
Just a snippet for those who think the ‘Rule of Law; rules at all times (so to speak)
Tony Blair’s government stopped a corruption investigation by the Serious Fraud Office, arguing that continuation would cause “serious damage” to relations between the UK and Saudi Arabia.
His Attorney-General, Lord Goldsmith, said the decision had been made “in the wider public interest”, which had “to be balanced against the rule of law”.
- Fat Steve
- tdf
- Ho Hum
August 22, 2016 at 11:49 pm -
‘I thank you all for your indulgence; if, having read the transcripts aforesaid, I have any further comment, I’ll return to the forum’
So the provision of all the subsequent extraneous and diversionary detail is just related to your being orchitis-ized?
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 11:58 pm -
(Sorry; I ought to explain that that’s a response to Ho Hum’s earlier comment and out of place owing to my understanding — or completely lack of it — of the operation of the software.}
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- Ho Hum
August 23, 2016 at 12:08 am -
I wouldn’t worry too much about it. This particular piece of software has a habit of occasionally making dicks out of all of us, without regard to whether it was deserved or not
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 23, 2016 at 1:44 am -
Thank you, Ho Hum; there’s some comfort in knowing one’s not the only idiot in the playground!
ΠΞ
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Ho Hum
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Robert Kaye
August 23, 2016 at 10:48 am -
“At some point they seem to have dropped the Greek; then the Latin; now, I believe, you can major in medicine if able to order at McDonald’s by the numbers on the menu!”
That wouldn’t be a bad thing. One of the problems that led to the Sally Clark / Roy Meadows miscarriage was that the entire, no doubt classically educated, legal profession – barristers, judge and Appeal Court included – were functionally innumerate. In fact the medical expert was no better. Probably fine with Lain declension but sent a woman to jail because they didn’t understand the basics of non-independent variables, ignored the protests of the experts – the learned societies of mathematics and statistics – and then the Appeal Court tried to retrospectively make out the judge didn’t really misunderstand or misrepresent the evidence.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 23, 2016 at 11:35 am -
Ah … now, Robert, you hark back to the days of true philosophy: quite right.
I hope you didn’t infer from what I wrote earlier that lawyers and doctors should study only Greek and Latin.
ΠΞ
- Pericles Xanthippou
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Lottie Garonne
August 22, 2016 at 9:06 pm -
Jesus H wotnot.
I’ve no idea where to start re this one. So a set of conclusions will just have to do:1. I am not going to question any verdict about sexual perversion ever again
2. I shall resist any sexual congress with another human being or indeed any other species
3. I shall not answer the door to anyone, be they Jehovah’s witnesses or the postmistress
4. All groceries will henceforth be ordered online to avoid banter with female retail staff
5. If charged with the smear of choice by a political Establishment, I will not be taken aliveThe collective noun for these might be called My Rules of Law
Lottie xx
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 9:37 pm -
Lovely! This is a serious matter but let us all preserve a sense of proportion.
I don’t know the collective noun for lawyers &c. but, as a former resident — and perpetual friend — of America, am always much amused to recall that that for baboons is a congress!
xxx ΠΞ
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Alexander Baron
August 22, 2016 at 9:22 pm -
On a similar topic, the Exaro website is up again although it hasn’t been updated and hopefully will not.
Am currently reading Proctor’s book. Totally unreal.
- tdf
August 22, 2016 at 9:43 pm -
^ Inclined to agree. Point 5 in Lottie’s post in particular strikes me as somewhat of an over-reaction.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 22, 2016 at 11:55 pm -
What a load of …
Ho hum !
ΠΞ
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 12:49 am - Michael Miller
August 23, 2016 at 10:25 am -
Whilst this is a terrible indictment of the justice system it also reveals the parlous state of most contemporary psychiatry. Although it is unclear just what was said by the treating psychiatrist , most accounts given of the often bewildering expressions of disturbance are reduced to over simplified formula hiding behind pseudo brain science. Apart from tertiary stage syphillis, epilepsy and Alzheimers- most expressions of “mental illness” no more involve the nervous system and the brain than “normal” life does. People undoubtedly suffer and they need help but not by being automatically stuffed full of seriously powerful medication ( certainly helpful but wait until you try to come off them..!.) and frankly bizarre theories about how humans function. On the face of Anna’s account this seems ( yet another) tragic miscarriage of justice but behind it there is an equally tragic psychiatric industry where the crudest thinking predominates.
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 10:37 am -
@ MichaelMiller – yes. This point is developed on the Hamilton website.
- Ho Hum
August 23, 2016 at 10:55 am -
Not sure about that. My closest friend, his mother and latterly his daughter, have all suffered from mental health issues. They were the last people in the world that most of us would expect to exhibit behavioural problems, but one of them suffered from an almost instantaneous act of aberrant behaviour which was so severe that it put others’ lives at risk, and their personality has so radically changed since that is now utterly different from what it was previously.
I know you said ‘some’, but I fear that underlying physical causes of disturbed behaviour may actually be more prevalent than you might wish to think
But I would agree that present attempts to elucidate their cause, by guesswork based on a sufferer’s recounting their stories of past experience, is fraught with dangers if there is no way of differentiating for certain between those which were real and those which are imaginary.
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 11:13 am -
@hohum The ‘past experience’ approach is more favoured by some psychs and units than others. But they all buttress work in progress with drugs. They may be quite sensible until a ‘disclosure’ at which point the system takes over and narrative is king. All sorts of variables. Adolescent units can be a powder keg.
- Margaret Jervis
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 8:48 pm -
@Michael Miller
Interesting post.
What I’m troubled by, specifically in relation to the alleged witnesses/victims/survivors of ‘VIP CSA’, is the, to me, unanswered questions as regards what type of therapy they were given.
There was speculation that at least one alleged victim/survivor of VIP-committed abuse MIGHT have been suffering from this syndrome:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munchausen_syndrome
Can anyone shed any light on this, in a GENERAL sense, while being careful to avoid any breaches of the contempt of court rules and also the rules against identifying any alleged victim of abuse (except where they voluntarily have identified themselves) even in cases where the alleged victim’s claims have been fully investigated and found not to pass the test for forwarding on to the DPP).
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 10:17 pm -
Where to begin? Not with a ‘syndrome’ that’s for sure. Loads of ‘labels’. Bottom line is : How has the ‘story’ progressed, under whose influence and what incentives? What pre-dispositions in the complainant? A leopard does not change its spots in this league. Only perfects.
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 10:36 pm -
@Margaret
Ok. As you might be aware, a major UK national newspaper was relatively recently dragged in front of a media tribunal and fined for ‘identifying’ an alleged survivor of CSA. Personally, I was, frankly, a bit taken aback that they took their medicine and paid the fine. I don’t know if you agree or not? In my judgement, just based on the articles I read from this newspaper, they didn’t identify this alleged survivor.
I suppose that what I’m trying to get at is that if a major UK media organisation, with large resources at its disposal, can be fined for ‘identifying’ a complainant whose allegations didn’t actually proceed to the DPP, then the whole thing’s a (pardon the French) f****** minefield to the average Joe or Josephine Bloggs.
- Margaret Jervis
August 24, 2016 at 8:26 am -
@tdf Yes the issues and reports of trials are frequently obscured by reporting restrictions. There is a tendency now not to to publish Court of Appeal judgments relating to ‘sensitive’ cases. The Court can impose an order to this effect. This one was published on bailii.org. The issues are a matter of legal and public importance and in the public domain. Any development of the case as a’story’ would however be KOd for this reason. There is no direct identification in this case for other reasons.
There are many shocking stories of injustice that cannot be told or about which the public has only a fleeting and distorted impression.
As it happens I was party to one such case – the publication – with names anonymised – of the Nottingham JET report http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~dlheb/Default.htm The issues were in the public domain and had been subject to continuing distortion. When we published it on the internet Notts CC sought an injunction gaining an immediate temporary injunction- we (journalists and author) fought this and the council backed down. By that time there were already many mirror sites abroad. But the main issue was that of the public interest. There was no real issue of ‘identification’. But the fact that this can be argued illustrates the difficulties in trying to raise important issues of truth and justice.- Fat Steve
August 24, 2016 at 10:03 am -
Just a quick read through JET report
Ho! Ho! Ho! WHAT a surprise I don’t think to discover the Expert was
We were particularly interested in the author of the Satanic indictors which Mr. W. had used to brief the staff and the children’s foster parents. We asked the British Embassy in Washington USA to research his background and received the reply that he had no medical background (despite his claim to be a medical consultant) and that he was a social worker who was unpublished, had no educational pedigree and that he was not taken very seriously by the FBI.- Fat Steve
August 24, 2016 at 10:28 am -
A further Ho! Ho! Ho!
Mrs Justice Booth had formed the judgement that satanic abuse was involved.
- Fat Steve
- Fat Steve
- Margaret Jervis
- tdf
- Margaret Jervis
- Moor Larkin
August 23, 2016 at 10:05 pm -
I’m guessing there might be some money in this ‘ere “expert” lark.
https://www.jspubs.com/expert-witness/si/c/child-abuse/- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 10:52 pm -
@Moor
Speaking entirely generally and hypothetically, one wonders if it is potentially plausibly the case that persons who might have been relatively senior employees in certain types of organisations might, potentially, possibly, plausibly have had access to lists and contact details for highly qualified and recognised medical people, such as, for example, to take a specialism at random from that list, specialists in the trauma produced by ‘bite marks’ and such like.
Or who knows, the ‘revealed trauma’ of being bitten by flying insects and such like.
(I apologise if I seem to be treating the matter as a joke, but it is, quite frankly, utterly laughable at times).
- Ho Hum
August 24, 2016 at 12:51 pm -
That made me laugh! Conjured up visions of an old style fairground or clubdoor caller:
“Roll up, roll up! Buy your witness here! Want retribution, restoration and recompense for that embarrassing, life changing, hickey you got down the lane 25, or was it 26, or even 30 years ago? Time no longer matters!
Our experts’ new blood sucking technology will extract your paramour’s, er, assailant’s enzymes, from residual traces at the historical site and recreate his mouth shape, and a detailed lip pattern recreation, with a guaranteed direct match to the guilty party! – or, if you get lucky, maybe even parties!
Convince judge and jury that there is infallible proof that your bad’un did it, andm better still, watch them say that there’s no one allowed to try to say otherwise!
You can watch our experts tell the naked truth as their lips move!
Negligible cost. Champers thrown in, at £500 the bottle”
Ah, it’s too hot, and it might be more funny if there weren’t just a smidgen of truth to it
- tdf
- Margaret Jervis
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 9:10 pm -
ATTENTION PLEASE! Are you sitting comfortably? Then I’ll begin.
Courtesy of our esteemed landlady and her prodigious powers of rendition and excitement, this particular blog has received more than the average attention and quizzical repartee – even from the pedants (that means you Xanthippou) .
In fact I’m led to understand it crashed through momentary celeb RT induced onslaught (that means Louis Theroux on Twitter)
However. The fact remains. What is to be done?
One little thing Raccoonistas might do is sign the petition https://www.change.org/p/uk-parliament-free-an-innocent-man
currently far underperforming interest and outraged harummphing.Even though it was this that drew the attention of Anna to the injustice. In addition to the linked website as to the extended facts and issues of the case.
Now, I can well understand why any of you don’t want to add your names to a vulgar publicity stunt such as that normally promoted by change.org/38 degrees etc.
Coupled with that you are rightly not sure of the subject’s innocence – as opposed to fair trial in principle.
A number of people connected to the case including his legal team at trial and appeal are – and say so in the comments of the petition. This is unusual.
But, even if you are rightly not sure in the circumstances, most of us are agreed that he was denied a fair trial and that the ‘innocent until proven guilty’ dictum ought to be re-instated.
Whether names in support will add force to the case and all others that lie in its shadow I don’t know.
But please give a thought to making some impact.
Thank you.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 23, 2016 at 9:19 pm -
At whom is this petition aimed, Margaret? If the U.K. Parliament, then why is it not on that site rather than Change.org’s?
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- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 9:36 pm -
Good point Pericles. I don’t know. Maybe it’s a publicity stunt. Not party to the petition. But do know the case. Not everything is a conspiracy.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 24, 2016 at 9:55 am -
No, I wasn’t meaning to imply anything untoward about it: I just wanted to understand why, given our now having this parliamentary site of similar purpose, it wasn’t being used.
Although unsure what they might be, I agree it would be good to take steps toward a rectification of Dr. Hamilton’s plight; on the face of it his treatment by the law — even by his own profession — seems wholly unjust.
(There’s also the matter of the form of a petition to Parliament: in order to prompt consideration for debate it must be a request for exactly that, rather than just a complaint about something.)
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- Pericles Xanthippou
- Margaret Jervis
- Pericles Xanthippou
- tdf
August 23, 2016 at 10:16 pm -
^ I have occasionally signed online petitions in the past. I regret that I cannot sign this one. That is not because I disagree (or agree) with the petition, it is simply because I don’t sign petitions any more.
Petitions are either one of two things:
(1) they are ineffective (which is bad, but only in the venal sense. They might give one a nice warm cosy feeling inside, but they don’t actually accomplish anything, and therefore are a waste of time and effort)
OR
(2) they are effective and therefore, potentially, influence policy makers into changing decisions by the rule of ‘mobile vulgus’, as our Latin scholars might term it, which is a much worse outcome than (1), I think.(I was very surprised, quite recently, to see Peter Hitchens, of all people, lending his weight to a petition on another matter – which strikes me as a odd and inconsistent thing for him to do, but there you go.)
- Margaret Jervis
August 23, 2016 at 11:06 pm -
@tdf I agree with you in general. I have no idea what this petition might achieve, if anything, though I doubt it would be the ‘mob’ rule of some. It’s very slight. It just strikes me that while people are all perturbed about the fact of the injustice – whatever that be – so few are prepared to say – Salute! or whatever. ie saying this man and others deserve better than the criminal justice system has delivered. As with the complainant.
- Sean Coleman
August 23, 2016 at 11:36 pm -
tdf
Your second point is a good one. I still have Nigel Farage’s picture as my own on Facebook after my sister shared a petition to have him prosecuted for so-called hate crime. Good point too about Hitchens. Was the petition for Bishop Bell? He is strongly against referendums. I signed this one nevertheless. It just seems like common sense. Juries can get it wrong (how could they, or most of them, have swallowed Danny Day’s tall tales about David Bryant?) and it seems judges can too (look no further than the Dame), though they stood their ground well over Shieldfield and many others, including Prof. Walker-Smith’s appeal against the GMC. I also signed Ched Evans’s petition at the time and I’m glad he is now getting another chance to argue his innocence. I have little idea what the law, or etiquette, or whatever, demands in discussing recent cases but when there is madness in the air you have to say something. That is, if you accept there is madness and hysteria. You don’t seem convinced.
- Margaret Jervis
August 24, 2016 at 12:13 am -
Been with it so long just biz as usual. But appreciate your points.
- tdf
August 24, 2016 at 12:15 am -
“Was the petition for Bishop Bell? He is strongly against referendums. I signed this one nevertheless.”
You’re correct, it was. And that’s where I think he was being inconsistent.
“That is, if you accept there is madness and hysteria. You don’t seem convinced.”
Again, you are correct when you suggest that I’m not convinced. I think that at one time – not all that long ago – child abuse was treated far too leniently, but that recently, the pendulum, as it were, has swung too far in the opposite direction. But I’m not convinced that this has anything got to do with ‘witch-hunts’, or ‘moral panics’ or any of those, frankly, tired and cliched phrases that those nice people at Spiked regularly recycle, but more to do with, well, ‘society’ over-correcting itself, as it were. So I kind of take, more or less, a long term view on this stuff.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 24, 2016 at 12:45 am -
@tdf, one of the very special things about this blog is that we, Anna’s guests, do occasionally put our money-sometimes quite literally- where our mouths are. I don’t know if you were around at the time but not so long ago the Landlady asked for a few quid so she could get someone, a ‘forgotten victim’, a bunch of flowers and ended up receiving so many donations that she had to take down the Paypal Donate Button before Interflora sent the boys round to sort out the competition. Then there was the an innocent man who would be doing life for murder if one (or more , I don’t recall, before my time) of your fellow commentators hadn’t tracked down the very-much-still-alive murder victim
Look I stopped signing petitions on changling.porg too as I was fed up of signing and then discovering in the small print that what I had signed up to support was somewhat different than the headline.
None of us can do much to help SH at least get a fair trial -if we could AR would have already asked us to but we can at least sign the bloody petition to show we are *concerned* about the safety of his conviction. So be a good chap, swallow your distaste and pop over there and sign the fucking thing, yeah?
- Sean Coleman
August 24, 2016 at 10:09 am -
It’s definitely madness and it’s definitely clichéd. A clichéd madness if you like. I missed politicians out of my post just above, the people who make the laws. Just think that only two MPs voted against the climate change bill a few years ago while caught up in the global warming hysteria, a piece of legislation that would wreck the economy. One of them was Peter Lilley, who at the time of the vote pointed out that it was snowing outside. I suppose you believe in that as well? (I won’t mention Brexit!)
- tdf
August 24, 2016 at 8:10 pm -
@Sean
Is this directed at me? You seem to be setting me up as a straw man in your own head, and attributing to me a set of beliefs that I largely don’t hold.
I don’t know anything about climate change. I’m not qualified (neither are you, I suspect) to assess whether it’s happening, or if it is, to what degree (if any) governments and societies should react.
I thought that the Guardian’s ‘Climatologist-in-Chief’ George Monbiot’s campaign against the elderly botanist David Bellamy was a disgrace and tantamount to bullying. But that’s just a comment on personalities, it has no bearing on the science of the matter.
- Sean Coleman
August 28, 2016 at 7:25 pm -
tdf
I am just back from the real, off-line world. I thought I had replied from my tablet but it mustn’t have got through.
I was just asking you if you believed in AGW too. You don’t have to be a climate scientist to have an opinion and considering the claims made for it and the damage new laws based on accepting it can do I think one should have a view. Thanks for the information about Monbiot and Bellamy, by the way. I knew the latter had been dropped by the BBC but I didn’t realize he had been campaigned against.
- Sean Coleman
- tdf
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Margaret Jervis
- Margaret Jervis
- Eddy
August 24, 2016 at 2:00 pm -
Thanks for putting this post up Anna. It’s a terrible abuse of the English judicial system. We seem to have stepped back to the middle ages.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 24, 2016 at 2:21 pm -
The more I read here , the more I think that Trial By Ordeal might have had something going for it…or better still Trial By Combat -putting the adversary back into the adversarial system.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Facts Protection Squad
August 24, 2016 at 7:47 pm -
For 22 years, since the 1994 populist Tory coward Howard’s Criminal Justice & Public Order Act, England & Wales. Alleged sex crime cases can proceed entirely on the word of one complainant with no corroborative evidence. Even if a supposed ‘complainant’ was proactively trawled by ambitious police seeking promotion via positive media exposure. (Thankfully, Scottish justice still demands corroboration.)
Q.V. “Abolition of corroboration requirements under Sexual Offences Act 1956. (1)The following provisions of the [1956 c.69.] Sexual Offences Act 1956 (which provide that a person shall not be convicted of the offence concerned on the evidence of one witness only unless the witness is corroborated) – are hereby repealed.”
There is no requirement for medical or forensic evidence, no injury, no crime scene evidence. Imagine trials brought by Police/CPS for alleged NON-sex crimes supposedly committed years or decades earlier with no evidence of any crimes committed. Such cases would NOT proceed and false complainants may well be prosecuted for wasting police time.
Yet since 1994 the standard of evidence has been dramatically lowered ONLY for alleged sex crimes in England & Wales. With innumerable prosecutions and likely now thousands of falsely jailed innocent, mostly male, victims of modern UK mass injustice. With many UK families including innocent children losing adult relatives and friends, lives all destroyed.
Also very conveniently overlooked until recently. Are, often far too similar ‘allegations’ falsely paraded as so called ‘facts’. Written up by corrupt police for their next trawled complainant/’victim’ to parrot with small variations. There are numerous examples of this true criminality nationwide. Start with the expert office of Southport defence solicitor the indefatigable Chris Saltrese.
And like the later Tory media-trained ‘parrots’ Starmer/Saunders, the 1990s populist Tory Home Sec coward Howard’s motives were always about votes not child saving because huge abuses (always c.90% NON-sexual) of UK children still continued, and continue to this day. Plus Howard’s March 1997 highly discriminatory ‘Sex Offenders Register’ (a first in peacetime UK) was also just for populist votes at Election time. And nearly 20 years on still unjustly demonizes just one class of supposed ‘criminals’ (many innocent) beyond all others; including terrorists!
And, deranged UK so called ‘experts’ still falsely assert, “False Allegations are rare!”
If 1980s ongoing Right wing UK was far Left Stalinist Russia the propagandized proles would rightly chime, “What do you expect?”
http://www.chrissaltrese.co.uk/false-allegations/#rise-of-false-allegations
- tdf
August 24, 2016 at 8:15 pm -
@Fact Protection Squad
This is an interesting post. I must admit I was not aware of a lot of this. I am not a fan of Howard in any case, simply due to his populist and vindictive campaign against the killers of Jamie Bulger, Thompson & Venables. At the end of the day, they were children at the time of the dreadful deed. Children who committed a dreadful crime, but still children.
Now that said, Blunkett was as bad as Howard, if not worse.
- Margaret Jervis
August 24, 2016 at 9:58 pm -
@Fraud Protection Squad – there is a common misconception here.
There was never a time when sworn evidence of a complainant had to be corroborated in English law. The mandatory corroboration warning was established through common law – Notably the case of Baskerville sometime around 1910. S32 of CJPOA 94 abrogated this this requirement. The ref to corroboration re SOA 56 was in relation to procuration offences no to sexual allegations. Prior to this the requirement for unsworn evidence to be corroborated was also abrogated and retained only the mandatory warning until the 94 Act. (ie young children) I won’t go into the history of all this and the effects.- Margaret Jervis
August 24, 2016 at 10:01 pm -
Sorry meant@factprotectionsquard. No offence.
- Margaret Jervis
- tdf
- kevin felstead
August 26, 2016 at 2:34 pm -
I have always believed that this is a ‘classic’ case of false memory and a appalling miscarriage of justice. The parallels with this case and the example of Carol Felstead (aka Myers) are striking (justiceforcarol.com). The criminal courts are increasingly hostile to defence memory experts on the untenable ground that they usurp the role of a jury. Until this changes, innocent men (mainly) will continue to be incarcerated for impossible fantasies generated through protracted psychotherapy on the therapist’s couch.
- Richard Seddon
September 30, 2016 at 12:48 pm -
Anna,
I went to see Stephen yesterday. He is aware of your article and asked me to heck it out. I have known Stephen for over 10 years as a GP and someone that I highly respect. I know he is innocent and would like to do more to help raise awareness of the injustice with this case. Can you help me.
My nice also accused her father of rape. She has been suffering from bi-polar, hearing voices, hallucinations and claims that many people have raped her. She has made everyone’s life a misery around her and has destroyed families. Stephens case is not uncommon.
I also believe that the claimant will make many more claims of sexual abuse in the future as does my niece. Is there anyway of finding out just how many people she has accused to date?
I would appreciate it if you could get in touch to see how I can help Stephen further
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