Exclusive Update:Lynne Owens and Surrey Police – Pt 264.
It has been a long time in gestation. It was back in February when I discovered a dropbox belonging to one Kevin Hurley, then Police and Crime Commissioner for Surrey. Mr Hurley, at that time, had been rather keen to dispense with the services of Lynne Owens as his Chief Constable. He accused her of ‘moral cowardice’ and of blaming others for a ‘litany of failures’
She had responded by instigating a policy that she would now prefer to distance herself from. It was ‘arrest first, investigate afterwards’. Since the story has appeared in the mainstream media this week – first the Sunday Times, then the Telegraph, today the Daily Mail, Ms Owens had made a number of comments:
An NCA source said that the comments were not necessarily direct quotes and were part of a discussion on the safe-guarding of victims in the wake of a rape review by Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary.
Surrey Police have also commented:
Surrey police also said the timing of an arrest was considered on a “case by case basis.”
At that time, my article contained a link to that dropbox; however, before the mainstream media could verify my account, that dropbox disappeared. Kevin Hurley was replaced as PCC by David Munro, and Lynne Owens went off to become Director-General of the National Crime Agency – she is now on a shortlist of two, the other being Cressida Dick, to replace Bernard Hogan-Howe as Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis.
Several people who had found themselves on the wrong end of this policy had saved copies of the correspondence concerning ‘arrest first’, investigate afterwards – so you may judge for yourself whether, as Ms Owens would have you believe, they were direct quotes or not. Here is the missing document, preserved for posterity.
Surrey PCC Scrutiny Meeting Public Protection 3-Sep-15
You can also see here, in a letter dated September 28th that Ms owens took ‘personal responsibility’ for ‘corporate promotion’ of ‘earlier arrest’ – moving away from the previous ‘culture’ of ‘delayed’ voluntary interviews.
You may also wish to consider for yourself whether Surrey Police are being entirely truthful when they say that ‘arrest first’ is considered on a ‘case by case’ basis. You see, until yesterday, there was on their website an interesting item; to wit:
Feel free to plough your way through Code G of the PACE regulations, handily linked to here: to see if you can find the bit of PACE that says you need the authority of your Detective Inspector to dismiss the possibility of voluntary attendance…the guidance to Surrey Police Officers was clear enough up until last night – if it is a sexual offence, whether historic or not, ‘arrest first’.
Following the publication of the story in the Sunday Times, and Lynne Owens attempting to wriggle out of responsibility, this guidance has mysteriously vanished. I do have a copy.
This does matter because of the sheer weight of numbers of people being ‘arrested first’ by Surrey Police (amongst others) and then it being found that either there is no crime committed, or there being ‘insufficient evidence‘ to charge them with any crime.
Surrey has a population of 1.6 million, give or take. Roughly 30,000 of the adult population in Britain have faced arrest for sexual offences in the last year. In Surrey that would amount to some 5/600 people.
There have been 1263 crimes reported this year compared to 829 crimes for the same period last year (an increase of 52.4%). Out of the 1263 offences this year, 628 are non recent, historic offences (49.7%). The increase in sexual offences is thought to be due to growing confidence amongst victims that police will treat their complaints seriously as well as a more victim-focused and ethical crime recording processes that means more sexual offences are being recorded appropriately and sooner.
OK, so Surrey have more people walking in their door feeling confident that the police will take seriously their complaint of sexual abuse. They cheerfully rush out and arrest whoever has been named as the perpetrator. Then what happens?
The positive outcome rate for serious sexual offences remains an area of focus and concern for the Force. A 15.1% positive outcome rate (191 positive outcomes) has been recorded across the Force and is the same as this period last year. There has been a steady improvement in performance and whilst the number of positive outcomes has increased year on year (191 compared to 131), the increasing in recorded crime has outstripped this increase.
Even if we take the figure of 635 offences of a ‘non historic nature’ where part of the problem could be that the perpetrator is dead (last year roughly 10% of the people ‘under investigation by Operation Hydrant’ were dead and buried!) so I will generously ignore the ‘historic offences’, that still leaves us with 444 people who have been subjected to ‘arrest first’, investigate later, on the basis of someone making an allegation.
Whilst it is true that a few of those allegations may have been withdrawn because of intimidation, I am holding information that some of them were downright ‘opportunistic allegations’ and one at least was a false arrest without any investigation – and more to the point, even if the allegation had been genuine, without any jurisdiction!
Now one of my commentators has made a formal complaint to the Surrey Police and Crime Commissioner demanding an investigation into the policy of ‘arrest first’.
This in itself will prove interesting – both the Deputy Chief Constable, the Crime Commissioner and the Assistant Chief Constable were at that meeting when Lynne Owens laid out the policy for which she takes full ‘personal responsibility’ for instilling as a ‘corporate promotion’, and none of them even questioned whether this policy might be legitimate, so they would inevitably be investigating themselves. One of the criteria for a complaint being passed from the PCC to the IPCC is:
Any attempt to pervert the course of justice or other conduct likely seriously to harm the administration of justice, in particular the criminal justice system.
If the IPCC become involved, we face the prospect of one of our most senior police officers finding themselves under investigation by the IPCC.
My commentator, who has instigated this investigation, spent four weeks on bail, with all the commensurate embarrassment, humiliation, and expense of retaining solicitors before the police got round to discovering, on interviewing the ‘victim’ that a) she hadn’t ‘not consented’ to sex, and b) the ‘rape’ she had reported was alleged to have occurred some years before in another jurisdiction. The arresting officer happily quoted (in writing)
“It does not matter where in the world the offence took place as we have jurisdiction to investigate and prosecute offences of rape no matter where in the world the offence took place as per Section 72 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003.”
It might have helped if he had read the section:
Section 72 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 makes it an offence for a UK national to commit an act outside the UK, against a child, which would constitute a relevant sexual offence if done in England and Wales.
The woman concerned was nowhere near to being ‘a child’!
Four weeks later he received the bleak:
Once the enquiries were completed the case was reviewed and it was established that there was not a realistic likelihood of prosecution at court and so your bail was cancelled and no further action was taken against you.
Now you know what no ‘realistic likelihood of prosecution at court‘ actually means….er, no offence was committed and we had no jurisdiction anyway.
If you are reading this, and are one of the many hundreds of men arrested by Surrey police for serious sexual offences under this policy but not charged after investigation – now is the time to get in touch. Those of you already in contact with me, I will continue to update you.
- Joe Public
August 15, 2016 at 1:23 pm -
‘It’s Always the Cover-up ……’
- Jim
August 15, 2016 at 1:47 pm -
Bloody Hell!!!
I just cannot believe this is happening in a country where we are so revered for our justice and fairness when it comes to the law.- Ted Treen
August 15, 2016 at 1:53 pm -
The British legal system is concerned solely with the law. It is not, and never has been, concerned with justice and fairness.
At one time justice and fairness might have been in the minds of our lawmakers and law drafters, but I regret that those days have long since passed.
- tdf
August 15, 2016 at 2:59 pm -
@Jim
“I just cannot believe this is happening in a country where we are so revered for our justice and fairness when it comes to the law.”
Tee hee hee ha ha ha ho ho ho
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birmingham_Six
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guildford_Four_and_Maguire_Seven
https://www.amazon.com/Credible-True-Political-Personal-Proctor/dp/1785900013
- tdf
- Eric
August 18, 2016 at 10:46 pm -
Like all great facets of human endeavour that have been built up over 100s of years – ie our system of law – the unraveling of same can happen so quickly.
This is very misleading : ” The increase in sexual offences is thought to be due to growing confidence amongst victims that police will treat their complaints seriously “. That does automatically translate into claimants being truthful.When I worked in the insurance industry we regularly noticed spikes in certain claims that were not connected to either natural disasters or a spike in crime. After thorough investigation it was invariably found to be a situation where the insurance trade had not covered itself accurately and suspected fraud was increasing via word-of-mouth. Such cases were staged car accidents and dodgy whiplash claims.
And like the insurance trade such fraud costs everyone much more via their premiums. The false allegations industry has spun out of control and we are now seeing horrendous behind the scenes manipulation such as this dreadful “arrest first ask questions later” policy.Next time you are burgled and your hard earned assets are pilfered and (Surrey?) Police claim they simply do not have the manpower to investigate, ensure you state the burglars groped you on the way out.
- Ted Treen
- Ho Hum
August 15, 2016 at 2:53 pm -
And, taking my, as ever, slightly lateral view on other semi-related proposals, if the ‘team of volunteers’ mentioned in the article below, who are going to assist our wonderful thought police force, include representatives from the list of usual suspects, you’ll probably be the first, or at least amongst the first cadre, to be arrested….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37076995
- Mudplugger
August 15, 2016 at 3:35 pm -
The good news is that this revelation may prevent Lynne Owens becoming Commissioner of the Met.
The bad news is that this revelation could then result in Cressida Dick becoming Commissioner of the Met – and that’s particularly bad news if you just happen to be an innocent Brazilian electrician taking the Tube to work……
- Joe Public
August 15, 2016 at 3:55 pm -
If only there was a person-of-colour (other than white) on the candidates’ list. Heck, a disabled, non-binary transexual POC would be a shoe-in, fulfilling a multitude of quotas for the cost of a single salary.
- tdf
August 15, 2016 at 4:09 pm -
@Joe Public
Lol. A 30 second Google search shows that the UK police are considerably more white than the general UK population.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_the_United_Kingdom#Ethnicity
- dearieme
August 15, 2016 at 9:29 pm -
Isn’t that just the familiar pattern of people of hue not pulling their weight in society?
- dearieme
- tdf
- Cascadian
August 15, 2016 at 5:04 pm -
Once again in Theresa May’s former fiefdom-the Home Office-we find that WOGs (white old guys) need not apply.
This might be acceptable if high quality female candidates were available, but plainly there are none.
Arrest first, investigate later at their leisure, sounds like Zimbabwe or Venezuela. Implemented during May’s tenure it further reveals the Prime Ministers anti-democratic bent.
- tdf
August 15, 2016 at 5:14 pm -
^ “Arrest first, investigate later at their leisure, sounds like Zimbabwe or Venezuela”
Sounds like the UK to me. In the 1970s. When my people were being arrested more or less at random (well, ok, not those in ‘respectable’, ‘white collar’ employment, just the luckless blue collar workers – the ones that actually worked for a living and built most of the British motorways) due to the actions of a small number of utterly depraved terrorists, combined with police corruption, far right tabloid media pressure and class prejudice.
But you’re not interested in hearing about that Cascadian, are you; I reckon you want to romanticise the past of a country that you left decades ago.
- Cascadian
August 15, 2016 at 6:57 pm -
I do not wish to romanticize anything tdf, strange that you should think so and put that interpretation on my comment.
But you keep carrying that giant chip on your shoulder if you think it helps. As to “my people”, your claim of ownership of an entire country’s population speaks of megalomania, you may wish to try to control that (or not) if you wish to be taken seriously.
- tdf
August 15, 2016 at 7:23 pm -
“But you keep carrying that giant chip on your shoulder if you think it helps. As to “my people”, your claim of ownership of an entire country’s population speaks of megalomania, you may wish to try to control that (or not) if you wish to be taken seriously.”
Genuinely haven’t the foggiest clue what you’re on about. I made no such claim. Can you explain why it is that you think that I did?
- tdf
August 15, 2016 at 7:36 pm -
^ I think, Cascadian, that possibly we misunderstand each other.
So I’m going to try and explain.
I’ve seen this tendency before, in my race. It’s the ones that emigrate that have the strongest, and most patriotic views.
From what I’ve read, the Brits that don’t actually live in Britain were, demographically, the strongest pro-Brexit vote. Which is interesting, I think. ( Feel free to disagree. )
But if you do disagree, then for example, consider the following. I ask you to bear in mind the IRA were financed by NORAID. What was NORAID, you may well ask? Well, NORAID was essentially a Provo campaign in the US targetting middle class Americans of Irish descent (most of whom had never actually visited ‘the old sod.’)
In other words, the thesis I’m presenting is that sometimes, the emigrants, or descendants of emigrants, have more nationalistic/patriotic views than those that actually live in the original country from which they, or their descendants, emigrated.
Finally, I will note that rock star Paul Hewson, much as many (including me) criticise him for some of his more ludicrous pronouncements, did a good thing, in my view, when he tried to dry up the financing of the Provos in the US.
- Cascadian
August 15, 2016 at 8:19 pm -
” I think, Cascadian, that possibly we misunderstand each other.”…….quite possibly.
It would be stretching a point to say I am a Brit patriot, indeed I have a great deal of ambivalence to the yUK in their treatment of pensioners abroad, compared to recently arrived free-loaders. No secret that I supported Brexit, but had no vote.
Our views on NORAID are in accord, the difference being I would not contribute a cent to overthrow of the yUK government no matter how bad, and it has been extremely bad for a long, long time now.
I am not familiar with Paul Hewson, I do not follow pop culture.
So I reject your thesis personally, but understand there may be many who do fit your theory.
If there is a misunderstanding amongst us two, it resides with the statement…..”But you’re not interested in hearing about that Cascadian, are you;” I react strongly to reading that I am not interested in others opinions, it is exactly why I (and I assume many others regularly visit the Raccoon Arms.) As to romanticizing the Britain of my youth that would be a task beyond my fictional abilities.
- tdf
August 15, 2016 at 8:33 pm -
“If there is a misunderstanding amongst us two, it resides with the statement…..”But you’re not interested in hearing about that Cascadian, are you;” I react strongly to reading that I am not interested in others opinions, it is exactly why I (and I assume many others regularly visit the Raccoon Arms.)”
Ok.
So what if were to say that the ‘Irish’ troubles were essentially started by the Loyalist/Unionist side, and that the reaction was mainly a counter-terrorist campaign?
- Cascadian
August 15, 2016 at 11:49 pm -
Well IF that related to the issue at hand, I might wish to debate it.
My point was Mrs May has a strong anti-democratic bent, and seems to accept stupid-plod made-up-on-the-fly regulation waffle rather than centuries-old legal jurisprudence. Perhaps that relates to policing of the Irish troubles in the 1970’s ( I don’t know) but even you seem to agree that the gravity of these situations are some quantum degrees divergent and to me at least, not pertinent.
If you wish me to believe that British policing in the 1970’s was similar to what exists in Zimbabwe or Venezuela today I would disagree, if however you wish me to state that British policing is in a woeful condition and apparently has been for quite some time, then we seem to agree (again). But mixing the actions of police and security/army services is a dangerous game. One, that I think Mrs May might well approve of.
- Cascadian
- tdf
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 16, 2016 at 7:16 am -
What was NORAID, you may well ask?
I will lay good money that every single regular at The Arms wore a tie and blazer to school (or if their chosen gender is female then they would have also worn a skirt that reached to the knee).
In other words, I doubt anyone here needs explaining who NORAID were/are (and I say that as a former card carrying member of SF/Caidre myself).
- Mudplugger
August 16, 2016 at 8:22 am -
Some of us had the ‘privilege’ of wearing not only a tie & blazer, but also a compulsory cap and short-trousers up to the age of 14 – those who say they were ‘the happiest days of our lives’ obviously weren’t there at the time.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 16, 2016 at 9:58 am -
‘the happiest days of our lives’
Arrggh…thank you for the memory. Every special Assembly they would drag in/dig up some ‘Old Boy’ who would never fail to say that and every time I would be a little sick in the back of my mouth. Been been 3 and half decades and I still don’t have a ‘best days’ feeling. Nightmares that wake me at 2 AM in a cold sweat and requiring several cigarettes, valium and coffee to deal with? Yes. Positive glow whilst remembering the beatings (and I do mean ‘beatings’ in the sense of being professionally ‘worked over’ ) as The Best Days Of My Life (which looked like being very short back then)? No. Mind you the memory of the day this rather wormy worm decided he’d just had too much fun and hospitalized (god, my English teacher would be appalled) his tormentors does raise snigger in me when I recall the look of horror on the faces of the those ‘children’ spectators who’d thought I’d actually killed my tormentor and how they recoiled when The Violence came upon me.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Mudplugger
- Cascadian
- Cascadian
August 15, 2016 at 7:50 pm -
My car, my house, my dog………indicates ownership does it not?
Then “my people” would also indicate ownership.
The “chip on your shoulder” comment relates to reference to the 1970’s when drastic (perhaps emergency) powers were enacted to deal with murderous acts against innocent civilians, I saw no correlation to the subject at hand, where plod is using draconian measures against a much less damaging alleged crime (that statement will be controversial!)
- tdf
August 15, 2016 at 8:24 pm -
“I saw no correlation to the subject at hand, where plod is using draconian measures against a much less damaging alleged crime (that statement will be controversial!)”
Not controversial for me.
Obviously, in the general sense, sex abuse cannot be a more damaging crime than planting bombs in pubs and shopping centres. It seems to me that even if one were brutally raped, that would still allow at least the potential for recovery and moving on, so it wouldn’t necessarily be worse than dying in a terrorist (whether state or other) attack.
But, this is a complicated issue, and perhaps more complicated that many realise.
For example, if the death penalty existed in the UK during the 1970s, probably, potentially, most of the Birmingham Six, Guildford Four, Maguire Seven would have been executed – got rid of. They were, after all, ‘fairly and duly’ convicted, as of, until the Great British Sate decided that they hadn’t been fairly convicted at all, and that their convictions were ‘unsafe and unsound’.
Hypothetically, had they been falsely convicted in, say, the 1920s, they might have faced the gallows. And, in that hypothetical case, plausibly, potentially, our ancestors might have learned hundreds of years later that they were innocent.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 16, 2016 at 10:06 am -
For example, if the death penalty existed in the UK during the 1970s
“Sheila Buckley, whose daughter Maxine played a major part in securing Kiszko’s conviction, criticised the police for not arresting him earlier and told the Manchester Evening News that “.. children are a lot safer now this monster has been put away”.[5] She also demanded Kiszko’s hanging.”-wiki Murder of Molseed
Although I’m too young to recall the headlines I’m betting Mrs Buckley was not alone in ’76 and that the Daily Hitler etc all ran ‘this is why the Death Penalty needs to be reintroduced’ headlines.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- tdf
- tdf
- tdf
- Cascadian
- tdf
- JuliaM
August 16, 2016 at 9:55 am -
It’s not a very promising field of candidates, is it?
- Joe Public
- Matt
August 15, 2016 at 7:06 pm -
Joe Public
Shoo in
Regards
- Joe Public
August 15, 2016 at 8:16 pm -
1. Thanks.
2. Maybe my spelling wasn’t quite so inappropriate, given that some of those ‘shoed’ into positions for quota fulfillment, get booted out.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Dizaei
- Matt
August 15, 2016 at 11:34 pm -
Brilliant !! Just Brilliant.
- Joe Public
August 16, 2016 at 12:44 am -
Some turn out to be right R Soles.
- Joe Public
- Matt
- Joe Public
- Moor Larkin
August 16, 2016 at 9:10 am -
Seems to me, from what I have read elsewhere, that this Hurley guy is probably guilty of harrassment of an officer doing her duty in accordance with the protocols and understandings laid down by the appropriate authority, the glorious NPCC, after diligent discussions with the appropriate prosecuting experts, the CPS. Joined-up Government. I find your article to be somewhat partial with the facts since it has long been established that all men are rapists.
- JimS
August 16, 2016 at 9:13 am -
“The positive outcome rate for serious sexual offences remains an area of focus and concern for the Force. A 15.1% positive outcome rate (191 positive outcomes) has been recorded across the Force and is the same as this period last year. There has been a steady improvement in performance and whilst the number of positive outcomes has increased year on year (191 compared to 131), the increasing in recorded crime has outstripped this increase.”
What does your quoted paragraph actually mean? We are told that the ‘positive outcome’ rate is unchanged yet there has been ‘a steady improvement in performance’. The ‘improvement’ would appear to be solely down to the public reporting more cases, (which, to their credit, the police would appear to have coped with). What is the significance of the ‘positive outcome rate’ anyway? Taking a less controversial area of policing, responding to ‘suspicious behaviour’, it is to be expected that some of those calls won’t lead to a ‘positive outcome’ and that the rate, year-on-year, will remain broadly the same. If it doesn’t then perhaps something has changed, but what? When we make measurements it is always a good idea to know why we are doing it. All to often it is done ‘because we can’ and it is all too apparent that no-one has a clue as to what to do with the results anyway.
- Cam mcarthur
August 16, 2016 at 12:59 pm -
does this imply a life sentence over the senorita on an Almeria beach in 79….35 years before Spain raised the age of consent from 13 – 16…she was 14 coming 40 and as RP Mcmurphy said…doc I woulda had to sew my pants (trousers to you) shut. As aliases do not appeal , I guess a can expect a pack of plods knocking …
- DP
August 16, 2016 at 1:09 pm -
Dear Miss Raccoon
“… she is now on a shortlist of two, the other being Cressida Dick, to replace Bernard Hogan-Howe as Commissioner of Police of the Metropolis.”
So the choice comes down to ‘arrest first, investigate afterwards’ or ‘shoot first, investigate afterwards’ for next Commissioner?
Lucky London.
DP
- Mudplugger
August 19, 2016 at 8:09 am -
You flatter Ms Dick – more like ‘shoot first, cover-up later’. With a CV like that, the job’s as good as hers.
- Mudplugger
- Dick
August 17, 2016 at 8:06 pm -
The choice comes down to one incompetent or another.
- Major Bonkers
August 18, 2016 at 8:09 am -
It seems to me that you can probably add the name of Tommy Robinson (leader of the English Defence League) to that list, as he appears to be subject to an on-going campaign of official harassment along the lines of what the old Soviet Union got up to against its own dissidents.
- Greg Tingey
August 23, 2016 at 9:07 am -
she is now on a shortlist of two, the other being Cressida Dick, to replace Bernard Hogan-Howe
THAT is truly scary.
Along, of course with having Cressida D, the murderer of C de Menezes on the list ……[ Oh, I’ve just noticed DP’s comment – so true. ]
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