Hard Cases Make Bad Law.
When Roy Whiting snatched – and then murdered – eight-year-old Sarah Payne, feelings were running high in the entire country; empathy for the ‘living nightmare every parent dreads’ was enormous. Sarah’s mother, Sara, was an effective media communicator; initially in appeals for her daughter’s return, later, in appealing for effective changes in the law to protect all children, culminating in ‘Sarah’s Law’ to inform parents when paedophiles moved into their district.
One of those who responded to the intense and emotive media interest in the fate of young Sarah Payne was David Blunkett, then Home Secretary. The 2003 Criminal Justice Act contained the infamous s.225 – intended to provide a measure of control that could extend beyond the sentencing of the court. It was designed to deal with those situations where a ‘life sentence’ didn’t mean an entire life spent in jail, but could result in the release of a person still known to represent a considerable danger to the public. The intention was that the Parole Board would monitor the prisoner, attempt to rehabilitate them, and if they were resistant to rehabilitation, continue to contain them – ‘for the protection of the public’.
All very laudable, and the people who supported s.225 had in mind monsters of the calibre of Roy Whiting.
‘Murphy’s Law’ soon came into play, as the judiciary, always hypersensitive to the idea of public criticism, started to use s.225 as a way of protecting themselves from criticism of overly lenient sentencing.
‘Yes, I know I only gave him a two year sentence, that was all I could give him for that offence, but in reality it is up to the parole board to decide when to release him.’
It was a great ‘failsafe’ way of placating the public. In no time at all, there were over 6,000 prisoners serving an ‘indeterminate prison sentence’. More than half had already served the sentence for which they had been convicted – but were still trying to find a way of showing the parole board that they had been rehabilitated.
When you are moved from prison to prison because of the notorious overcrowding, often to a prison with NO rehabilitation courses, or courses which were already fully subscribed, that is a near impossibility. Prisoners were incarcerated, no longer for the crime which they had committed, but because they literally couldn’t comply with the only means by which they were free to leave.
By 2012 the scheme was so discredited that that the European Court of Human Rights ruled that it was ‘arbitrary and unlawful’.
The Strasbourg judges said the prison system was “swamped” by prisoners without fixed release dates after the indeterminate sentences were introduced in 2005. They said the three inmates who brought the case had “no realistic chance” of accessing the rehabilitation courses they need to qualify for release.
The law was changed, and since 2012, there have been no new IPP sentences.
Needless to say, the media filled the space between the double glazing ads and the appeals for funds for donkey sanctuaries with a series of emotive articles conjuring up the spectre of Roy Whiting type monsters being allowed to roam the streets, scooping up small girls and carrying them off for unimaginable terrors. The idea that European judges were forcing the innocent public to live next door to a selection of headline murderers and rapists was welcome fodder…
Most people are probably under the impression that this was the end of the matter, unaware that there were still many thousands of prisoners already in the system for whom the change in the law didn’t apply. Even three years after the law was changed, there were still 4,133 who had served their sentence, but were still awaiting transfer to a jail where they could access the courses required to prove to the parole board that they were safe to release. They have no idea when they might happen. Year after year, they have no idea when that might happen.
But these are hardened criminals, right? The sort of men who would hack you to death with a machete? Recidivist paedophiles who would snatch a child as soon as they were allowed out of the door? Psychopathic murderers?
No, that is the media perception of a profile of a far from homogeneous group. The only factor they have in common is that once upon a time, a judge erred on the side of caution and made sure he wouldn’t end up on the front page of the Daily Star.
Young Danny was just 18. A few months earlier and he would have been termed ‘a child’. Entitled to our tears if so much as a hair on his head was disturbed.
He was no angel, a hoody, a young tearaway. He was in court as a result of two unsuccessful, nay bungled, robberies. The judge decided that he should serve at least 16 months before he was released. Time to settle down, lose contact with his unwise friends, maybe read a book or two in prison? Just to be on the safe side, the judge tacked on an IPP sentence.
That was 10 years ago. Danny is still waiting to ‘be rehabilitated’. He has been to HMP Northumberland, HMP Moorlands in Doncaster, HMP Armley in Leeds, HMP Frankland in Durham and is now in HMP Hull. He has met an interesting collection of the sort of monsters that you might imagine the law was designed to contain. He has become a 28-year-old man with no idea when he might see the outside world again. Scarcely unsurprisingly, he has become very depressed, seriously clinically depressed. Even the prison recognise that – they might not have a course available for him, but they have put him in the hospital wing.
He isn’t a danger to the general public – he is a danger to himself. So far he has attempted to cut his throat with a razor at least seven times. One of these days, the probability is that he will find a method of taking his life that will be successful – then he will become just another of the 60+ individuals who have taken their own life in prison this year alone…
Keeping him incarcerated will only exacerbate his depression and in the meantime he becomes more institutionalised, treading water so to speak and trying to be normal in an abnormal environment with no light at the end of the tunnel. He’s a bungling robber with mental health issues, not a monster.
The three prisoners who brought the case before the European court had been held up to two years and 10 months longer than the original minimum recommendation of their trial judge.
Danny has been held for eight years longer than the original minimum recommendation of his trial judge.
It is wrong to imprison someone not for what they have done but what they might do.
It is doubly wrong to imprison them not for what they might have done, but for what they might do to themselves – particularly when the reason for their distress is so blindingly obvious.
Well, Liz Truss, Lord Chancelloress? What are you going to do about Danny Weatherson?
This is the young man the justice system was entrusted with ten years ago, to rehabilitate. You’ll find him in the hospital wing at HMP Hull. He doesn’t look the same today.
Liz Truss’ e-mail, should you be minded to jog her memory:
elizabeth.truss.mp@parliament.uk.
- David
July 25, 2016 at 11:22 am -
I have never believed in prison, except if people have committed violence, and might be a danger to society. How can we decide who is a criminal, the boy who’s father bought him a car when he was 18, may have stolen one had his father been poor. And the poor 18 year old, who stole a car, might not have if his father had been rich enough to buy him one. It is only when circumstances are forced on someone that we see their true colours.
- Dioclese
July 25, 2016 at 11:50 am -
Not being able to afford something hardly excuses stealing it instead.
- David
July 25, 2016 at 11:55 am -
I agree, but my point was, how do we know that the 18 year old, from the wealthy family isn’t also a criminal, who would have also stolen a car, had it not been given to him. and visa versa?
- leady
July 25, 2016 at 12:45 pm -
In a world of crazy arguments that’s a pretty novel one. Strangely I’ve never been concerned with the tiny segment of society that doesn’t commit crime because they have rich parents
- David
July 25, 2016 at 12:56 pm -
Most crime is about wanting things others have acquired, by fair, or fowl means. Most wars are caused by the same thing. Only if everyone has the same wealth, can you really see who the criminals are.
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 25, 2016 at 12:59 pm -
or fowl means.
I know KFC are evil but I don’t think they actually send out gangs a la Fagin.
- David
July 25, 2016 at 1:44 pm -
Foul, how that happened i do not know
- JuliaM
July 25, 2016 at 2:16 pm -
So, David, you believe ‘only if everyone has the same wealth, can you really see who the criminals are’..?
So all crime is acquisitive? What about sex crime? Road rage? Murdering the nagging mother in law?
- David
July 25, 2016 at 2:22 pm -
wanted things we can’t have, or are told we can’t have by others, the law, economics, etc. Wanting our own way, despite having enough money, is real crime.
- Ho Hum
July 25, 2016 at 3:31 pm -
So, if I have enough cash, slipping Big Billy Goat Gruff a few bob to do the needful will be OK?
- Ho Hum
- David
- Ho Hum
July 25, 2016 at 3:28 pm -
I bet you say that to all the referees….
- JuliaM
- David
- The Blocked Dwarf
- David
- leady
- David
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 25, 2016 at 6:42 pm -
As a former active, violent and rather unpleasant criminal myself (who managed to avoid prison even for capital offences) , I have thought long and hard what you wrote and I have to say you’re talking….
….BOLLOCKS!
Well meaning, good hearted, nice liberal bollocks but bollocks none the less.Grade A, 24 Carat, Undiluted, 100% proof, lead free, decaffeinated bollocks. Such bollocky bollocks they could almost be dingos kidneys.
- Ho Hum
July 25, 2016 at 8:06 pm -
Do you think that you could possibly repeat that? It was so good, I’d like to read it again…
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2016 at 10:09 pm -
Really Blocked Dwarf? You mean you think would have turned out to be a more constructive member of society if you’d either been executed many years ago or spent pretty much your entire life in jail? Maybe you should consult with the Bestes Frau and your frail but generally law-abiding children (as best I know) before condemning yourself in such a manner, or perhaps there is another side to this story I have missed.
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 25, 2016 at 11:54 pm -
perhaps there is another side to this story I have missed.
No but you perhaps misunderstood what bit of Davidness I was ‘bollocking’. Personally I can say that the ‘turning point’ for me was when a Judge in chambers told me he was not going to issue a custody order and the two armed (this was Germany) CIDers were to unhandcuff me. I thought they were going to be sick, they certainly looked shell shocked and about to vomit. I didn’t catch exactly what the one CIDer said under his breath in the general direction of the judge but I’m guessing he went home that evening and kicked the dog. I ascribe the illogicalness of the judge’s decision to God keeping his end of the deal we’d struck that morning in the cells. So yes I’m all for 2nd/3rd/4th/5th …hell,70×7 chances, for rehabilitation.
What I don’t agree with is David’s PERSIL thoughts on the causes of grime, sorry…on the causes of Crime.
A lot of my crime was down simply to me being a nasty bastard who got his jollies hurting people. An emotional vampire feeding off fear. The only reason there was never any money in my pockets was because I need the space for weapons (No one ever died from being too well tooled up IMO).- tdf
July 26, 2016 at 12:35 am -
^ @TBD
speaking as a strict materialist atheist, I don’t believe in deals with god, or with painted roses, or bleeding hearts.
What I do like, though, is the music some of those (in my view, strange and not very rational) Christian ideals have influenced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wp43OdtAAkM
- tdf
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ho Hum
- Bill Sticker
July 26, 2016 at 5:18 am -
David, treasure your naivete, it has a certain charm. However, your assertion that all crime is financially motivated is so far wide of the mark you must permanently wear a blindfold. I have quite a few old mates who did time in HMP, and I can tell you with some authority that none of them were jailed because their crime was some kind of social justice protest. No one stole because they were hungry or poor, they did so because it was easy. No one beat anyone up because of privilege, they did so because of various violations of our peer groups rules or rivalry between the gangs. No one killed anyone because they needed the money, they killed because they were a paranoid schizophrenic with a shotgun (Look up the Brimingham airport shooting) who got disturbed while taking pot shots at aircraft taking off.
So, as the Blocked Dwarf indicates, your arguments are complete and utter bollocks.
- Dioclese
- Jim
July 25, 2016 at 11:47 am -
Surely to God someone in the prison system can spot genuine, ill prisoners who should have been released. This is outrageous.
- Actually a lawyer
July 25, 2016 at 11:48 am -
Excellent work and excellent article!
If you don’t mind me asking how did you find out about this case?
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 25, 2016 at 11:50 am -
A few years back Eldest Useless Object nearly ended up in prison for burglary and the theft of a pot of Yoghurt from the fridge of the house he had unlawfully entered (ie his ex’s to get his clobber back while she was out). Very very nearly went to Prison for that. *falls to knees and thanks God for the deliverance of his Eldest , it could so easily have been him and not Danny that this post was about*
By 2012 the scheme was so discredited that that the European Court of Human Rights ruled that it was ‘arbitrary and unlawful’.
The law was changed, and since 2012, there have been no new IPP sentences.
Thankfully sometime soon this country’s leaders will no longer have to kowtow to the terrorist loving, liberal, ECHR. Thank God for BREXIT.
..
- windsock
July 25, 2016 at 12:02 pm -
May has dropped plans to leave the ECHR.
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU… but you knew that, you little mischief maker, you!
- Ho Hum
July 25, 2016 at 1:55 pm -
Of course he did!
The BD is not the sort of person to fall for the enthusiasm of Bonkers Rightwingers Expecting Xanadu’s Instigation Tomorrow
- Major Bonkers
July 26, 2016 at 2:19 pm -
Except that England has been in the position of rejecting foreign judicial dominance before:
http://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/tudor-england/the-act-in-restraint-of-appeals/
And here’s John Redwood’s take on it:
http://johnredwoodsdiary.com/2012/06/07/this-realm-of-england-is-an-empire/
On the one hand, it seems likely to me that Danny, an unpleasant street thug using violence to steal, probably deserved a longer sentence than he was given.
On the other, the situation described by Mrs. Raccoon – whilst absolutely disgraceful – arises more out of a failure of management than a failure of law or legal process. Surely a writ of habeas corpus, with reference back to Magna Carta (‘No freeman shall be taken, imprisoned, disseised, outlawed, banished, or in any way destroyed, nor will We proceed against or prosecute him, except by the lawful judgment of his peers or by the law of the land’) would get him out PDQ?
A final thought: huge efforts were expended getting a rather dubious character – Shaker Aamer – out of Guantanamo. Not only was he not British, but his explanation of how he came to be in Afghanistan was so unlikely as to be absurd. He spent 13 years in Guantanamo.
- Major Bonkers
- Ho Hum
- windsock
- Actually a lawyer
July 25, 2016 at 11:58 am -
Thank you very much! I am very interested in researching this!
- Ox
July 25, 2016 at 12:22 pm -
I only enquirer have you actually read s225? As drafted it made IPP almost mandatory and was a legislative rather than judicial knee jerk.
- Lisboeta
July 25, 2016 at 1:13 pm -
So, by 2012, the whole idea of IPP had been deemed unlawful? Thus, logically, all prisoners on IPP who had already served the statutory portion of their sentence should have been released in 2012? Keeping them incarcerated is indefensible. And the fact that they cannot complete the rehabilitation requirement because the courses do not exist is positively Kafkaesque.
“Losing your life is not the worst thing that can happen. The worst thing is to lose your reason for living.” Jo Nesbø - JuliaM
July 25, 2016 at 2:12 pm -
“It is wrong to imprison someone not for what they have done but what they might do.”
But isn’t that the basis on which most mentally ill criminals are held? That might not have applied to this one on the first day of his sentence, but it arguably applies now.
- dearieme
July 25, 2016 at 2:28 pm -
That seems to me to be the problem. Whatever the route by which the chap has been got into his state, what’s for the best now? Damned if I know.
In fact, it’s most unlikely that anyone knows, since the notion that psychiatrists are much good at prediction seems to me by a conspiracy by the rest of us to
deny that next-to-nothing useful is understood about these things.- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2016 at 3:48 pm -
Interesting. Here’s a 1988 quote from the man who was acknowledged by the government of the day as the best man to restructure Broadmoor at the time.
“Right. Tangible results as follows. Every year, at that hospital, repeat, Hospital, we release maybe a hundred and fifty patients who’ve come in. Not the glamour patients you’re talking about whose names are in the paper and things like that; people who have problems in the mind who have become violent to one degree or another. They come in, they are treated by our doctors and nurses and after one two three four five eight ten years they are now able to cope with society so they can go back out. And we release a hundred and fifty patients a year. Now then, every now and again one of those lets us down so I’ll tell you what I’ll do with you pal, I will line those one hundred and fifty people up, from 18 upwards, right, who have become violent, we’ve got them in and cured them over two eight ten years whatever and I’ll say, ‘Out of those hundred and fifty, one of those is going to let you down; you tell me what to do. You going to keep all the hundred and fifty in? Forever? Or are you going to take a chance and let them out and hope none of them let you down. It’s a very very difficult thing to do. So we are the silent success hospital. You don’t see our successes because… if you are very important and you leave hospital, you’ve got the media there, you’ve got the Sister of the ward there, if you’re famous and you’ve come out of hospital…. We can’t do that at Broadmoor, we can’t put somebody back out, with a Broadmoor tag on them – so we are the silent success hospital. What are you going to do? Going to keep a hundred and fifty people in, that shouldn’t be in there? People who shouldn’t be in there should be outside. Or back in the prison from which they came from. It’s not an easy task but we try and get on with it.”
- dearieme
July 25, 2016 at 5:07 pm -
But that’s not evidence, that’s boasting. It could be just a sign that the government in 1988 was party to the “conspiracy by the rest of us to deny that next-to-nothing useful is understood about these things”.
The question is whether psychiatrists do any better than some random bloke (with the same sort of IQ and age) would do. Maybe, maybe not.
Psychiatrists will undoubtedly be far more confident at sticking a label on the mentally ill put before them, I’ll give them that. And they are entitled to prescribe drugs, some of which (I assume) do some good while the patient takes them.I’m suspicious of people with The Answer, and “Dr Snooks can confidently urge release” seems little different in kind from “lock ’em up for ever”.
On the other hand, the Alice-in-Wonderland nature of the imbroglio, as described by AR, makes me shiver. “trying to find a way of showing the parole board that they had been rehabilitated” makes me wonder whether it’s a system for rewarding either thespian skills, or Maoist self-abasement.
If not Lewis Carroll, then Kafka: what a bloody mess.- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2016 at 5:13 pm -
Thought the significant thing was that he was actually telling us that there was a 0.6 chance the “authorities” would be wrong and someone they let out WOULD re-offend.
It seemes slightly better odds than that old chestnut “better 100 guilty go free than one innocent be imprisoned”. But who believes in that any longer anyway…
- dearieme
July 25, 2016 at 7:50 pm -
“Thought the significant thing was that he was actually telling us that there was a 0.6 chance the “authorities” would be wrong and someone they let out WOULD re-offend”.
I missed that. Are you sure?
I thought he was claiming that only one out of 150 would ever re-offend, a claim that I assume is absurd. If humans were that predictable, they wouldn’t be human.- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2016 at 10:06 pm -
All I know is that one out of 150 is approx 0.6%. Presumably if all 150 were bogus decisions there’s have been a whole lot more crime going on in the 1980’s. Having said that, I felt persobnally dubious that 150 were being released from Broadmoor every year. I wonder if turnover figures are available for mential institutions.
- dearieme
July 25, 2016 at 10:21 pm -
I see; you didn’t mean 0.6 chance, you meant 0.6% chance. Now we’re agreed.
A 0.6% error rate would be remarkably low: as I said, I plain don’t believe it.
Added to which, how does he know how many re-offended? At best he’s likely to know how many re-offended and were caught, charged and convicted for it.
WKPD says that the “Broadmoor complex” houses about 210 patients, so 150 p.a. sounds like a high turnover to me; it implies that they are in there for an average of only 18 moths or so.
- Bandini
July 26, 2016 at 1:12 am -
Released back into society, or “back in the prison to which they came from.”
From Wikipedia:
“The average stay is six years, but this figure is skewed by a few patients who have stayed for over 30 years; most patients stay for considerably less time.”
The figure might not be that far out.- Bandini
July 26, 2016 at 1:25 am -
Broadmoor holds 210 patients, with a turnover of around 50 a year.
Once patients are assessed as ready to leave Broadmoor, where do they move on to?
35% NHS medium-security unit.
30% independent medium-security unit.
15% prison.(Suggesting about 20% are released in the traditional sense of the word.)
- Moor Larkin
July 26, 2016 at 9:46 am -
It appears the old Broadmoor housed as many 850 in 1959, so extrapolating the proportions, it could make 150 a viable figure by the more liberal 1980’s, depending on how that population stood byn those years.
“In 1959 Broadmoor didn’t seem too different from other mental hospitals of those days but peripheral security was clearly tighter, the wall more impenetrable and checking of everything more meticulous. ”
“At about 850 patients at that time (in a hospital built for 500)”
https://thepsychologist.bps.org.uk/volume-26/edition-12/looking-back-broadmoor-hospital-%E2%80%93-unique-facility - Moor Larkin
July 26, 2016 at 8:23 pm -
For the record, there were circa 520 inmates inside Broadmoor in Jimmy’s time: https://twitter.com/moor_facts/status/758019255807909891
- Bandini
July 26, 2016 at 8:27 pm -
In which case the figure Savile gave sounds about right, Moor.
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
- dearieme
- Moor Larkin
- dearieme
- tdf
July 26, 2016 at 1:03 am -
@ohdearyme
“But that’s not evidence, that’s boasting. It could be just a sign that the government in 1988 was party to the “conspiracy by the rest of us to deny that next-to-nothing useful is understood about these things”.”
Potentially, yes, and potentially, plausibly, also, evidence that the Tory Thatcherite government in 1988 were implementing a privatisation agenda, and the Labour opposition weren’t all that inclined to go against that in the area of care homes or psychiatric hospitals, because the latter were influenced by the ideas of “well, maybe all those people that we’ve locked up in Broadmoor et al aren’t really mad – maybe they have just been deemed mad by the evil capitalist imperialist society. We support human rights for those so-called mad people – release them! ”
What I’m suggesting is that there may have been a coalescence of interests between left and right, and the likes of Savile (perhaps a social entrepreneur – before the phrase was invented) might potentially have helped to fill that gap.
I’ve read that some of the Labour controlled councils in London in the 1970’s-1990’s were the worst at turning a blind eye to reports of child abuse in the care homes that were under their administration – much worse that some of the care homes that were in areas under the administration of Tory controlled councils Because, you know, a gay can never be also a paedo (the gays being above criticism).
- dearieme
July 26, 2016 at 1:16 pm -
tdf, that’s the era when Harriet Harman represented the interest of the Paedophile Information Exchange, wasn’t it? Much of the left supported the PIE, if I remember rightly.
“plausibly, also, evidence that the Tory Thatcherite government in 1988 were implementing a privatisation agenda”: nah. I remember Thatch: there was never the first whisper about privatising the likes of Broadmoor. Hell, she didn’t even rise to privatising the railways. “Privatising the NHS” was a perpetual Labour scare story, that’s all, from the party that was the last to adopt a policy of having an NHS, and was the party that introduced charges into the NHS.
- dearieme
- Moor Larkin
- JuliaM
July 25, 2016 at 6:24 pm -
For ‘hope none of them let you down’, read ‘hope none of them slaughter an innocent person’, I think…
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2016 at 10:13 pm -
innocent? what kind of talk is that
- dearieme
July 26, 2016 at 7:32 pm -
About the Japanese mass murderer:
“He was released from hospital on 2 March after a doctor deemed his condition had improved, a Sagamihara town official said.”
- Moor Larkin
- dearieme
- Moor Larkin
- dearieme
- Junican
July 25, 2016 at 3:49 pm -
This is all very odd. I know nothing about how these things work, but is there not a system for ‘sectioning’ people who are so mentally unstable that the are a danger to the public and themselves? And what happened to the principle of ‘habeas corpus’?
- Don Cox
July 25, 2016 at 5:22 pm -
The borderline between mental illness and crime is extremely foggy. Nobody knows what to do about this.
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2016 at 5:22 pm -
take no chances. kill them all…
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 25, 2016 at 6:43 pm -
Nobody knows what to do about this.
Elect them.
- dearieme
July 25, 2016 at 7:51 pm -
“take no chances. kill them all…” Ah yes, God will know his own.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- David
July 26, 2016 at 9:50 am -
Yes I have noticed that anyone who breaks into Buckingham Palace, is always detained under the Mental Health Act.
- Moor Larkin
- tdf
July 25, 2016 at 8:08 pm -
My only comment on this is that Michael Gove, who I am not otherwise a fan of, seemed genuinely committed to the idea of prison as rehabilitation, but now he is gone.
- dearieme
July 25, 2016 at 10:24 pm -
I like the idea of prison as rehabilitation. The problem I have is that I don’t know whether that’s largely wishful thinking.
- Don Cox
July 26, 2016 at 10:00 am -
It is wishful thinking without a colossal increase in staff.
A young man who has drifted into crime because he has completely failed at school, for example, will need extensive one-to-one tuition by very good teachers to train him to a level where he has employable skills.
- David
July 26, 2016 at 1:12 pm -
Tom Swarbrick @TomSwarbrick1 1h1 hour ago
At 1: prisoners being kept inside even after they’ve served their sentence.
How do you prove you’re not a risk to the public & who judges? - dearieme
July 26, 2016 at 1:17 pm -
But how do we know that he’s done so “because he has completely failed at school”? Are such things remotely knowable?
- David
- Don Cox
- dearieme
- tdf
July 25, 2016 at 11:08 pm -
^ Has it ever been tried though?
I actually somewhat agree with David’s admittedly idealistic point at the top of the thread.
People being imprisoned for non-payment of fines for, as an example, not possessing a tv licence is a disgrace, whatever way one looks at it. Even pragmatically and on a pure cost-benefit analysis, the cost of jailing them is likely to massively exceed the cost to the state of the lost income.
On the other hand, I’d be, if anything, much more severe with the worst type of violent criminals, especially repeat offenders. There is still a lack of consistency in sentencing guidelines, particularly in my country, but I have the sense that it is also a problem in Britain. I reckon a lot of the judges live in upper middle class enclaves so don’t personally experience the crimes perpetrated by these scum.
- David
July 26, 2016 at 9:53 am -
Yes threatening someone with a knife is a lesser crime than non payment of a TV license
- David
- David
July 26, 2016 at 11:34 am -
My link of the day – Frances Oldham QC is earning more than three times the daily amount Sir John Chilcot http://jerseyeveningpost.com/news/2016/07/25/abuse-inquiry-chairman-is-being-paid-2800-a-day/
- dearieme
July 26, 2016 at 11:43 pm
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