Fathoming Farron and Cooper.
‘There is nothing wrong with people being afraid of something that’s dangerous,’ he observes. ‘This is dangerous world and you are better of with your friends and neighbours than you are against.
All that ‘Project Fear’ stuff is a load of baloney.’
Tim Farron March 10th 2016.
That was Tim Farron, speaking in favour of remaining in the EU. The comforting EU, bulwark against a dangerous world.
He still is in favour of us staying in the EU…but now says Europe is far too dangerous a place for children…
‘That is why the PM must act now and offer safety to 3,000 vulnerable refugee children who are unaccompanied in Europe.
Tim Farron May 4th 2016.
I really don’t understand this notion that the UK is supposed to ‘rescue’ children from the dangers of Europe. Is it all children, millions of them, that don’t have parents? In which case we had better start emptying the orphanages of Germany, France, Italy, Spain etc. Or is he suggesting that we just rescue children of a particular race?
Yvette Cooper has said ‘children’s homes in Italy and Greece are full and charities are warning thousands of children are at risk.’ Has she not heard that the UK faces an 8,000 shortfall in the number of foster carers? 2,000 more needed in London alone.
Why is Yvette pushing money in the direction of the private sector?
Private companies now run 75% of children’s homes in England and in recent years, some of the bigger players expanded significantly, with one running over 100 homes across the country.
At present, the total cost of caring for around 5,000 young people living in residential care homes currently runs at around £1bn per year – caring for society’s most vulnerable children is not cheap, and for good reason.
We have pro-EU MPs telling us that Europe is too dangerous a place, and anti-privatisation MPs trying to push another 3,000 children into the private sector.
Two ‘children’ were rescued from that dangerous Europe yesterday – ‘Mohamad, aged 17, and Yazan, aged 16. God only knows what could have become of them in a place like France…but both of these ‘children’ had family in the UK (which is why they were among a group of 23 who gained admittance under the Dublin 111 agreement) which makes me wonder what sort of family they have here who couldn’t travel to France and ensure that these vulnerable youngsters had an adult to protect them from the ‘living Hell’ of the Calais Jungle?
Is it just me – or is everybody ‘changing sides’?
‘Confused of Norfolk’.
- The Blocked Dwarf
May 4, 2016 at 3:03 pm -
Age 16 living in an illegal camp in France, where no law reacheth, without adult supervision? That’s the stuff teenage dreams are made of !
- Bandini
May 4, 2016 at 3:11 pm -
What a topsy-turvy world – even the Mail is joining in:
“The U-turn [by Cameron] follows calls from the Daily Mail to give sanctuary to unaccompanied children in squalid European refugee camps.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3573053/David-Cameron-announces-major-U-turn-refugee-children-opens-door-living-camps-inside-Europe.html - Bandini
May 4, 2016 at 3:30 pm -
While I remember, a comment from Lilith caught my eye the other day (beneath the ‘Daesh and the hand-made Rug Rats’ piece):
“It’s worth remembering that Muslims generally neither adopt nor foster so these kids, if they are lucky will be looked after in a children’s home in an inner city, ferried about by taxi drivers….”- Peter Raite
May 4, 2016 at 3:50 pm -
As with many things, it seems a bit more complicated than that….
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_adoptional_jurisprudence
- Bandini
May 4, 2016 at 4:09 pm -
Peter, I assumed Lilith was referring to the situation in the UK and my five-minutes of research (would’ve been ten, but endless ‘peace being upon the links’ quickly made me lose interest) suggests that ‘in general’ it is indeed the case.
The ‘community’ made an effort a couple of years ago to promote the idea of adoption/fostering with a six-part documentary:
https://www.devonadoption.org.uk/please-can-i-have-a-mummy-and-daddy-the-islam-channel-sky-813/
Maybe it helped. I hadn’t been aware of the cultural differences, to be honest. - Bandini
May 4, 2016 at 4:15 pm -
Oh, go on then – two minutes more:
“As you may or may not be aware, there are a large number of Muslim children in public care today all over the UK, and the majority of them are living with non-Muslim families. They therefore live with people that have different beliefs, that eat different food, that do many things differently.
The situation has occurred simply because there is a massive shortage of Muslim foster carer’s. You may help these children by joining your Local Authority fostering team, or by joining our agency. You will get a fostering allowance for looking after these children which could be up to £330 per week, more importantly you will inshallah be rewarded in the Aekhera (life-hereafter). Many of our ladies cannot earn this kind of money by going out to work, but fostering involves every member of the household. These children need complete support.”So says the Muslim Fostering Society UK (“We are located in central London and are soon hoping to open up branches in other parts of the country.”)
http://www.axcess-it.co.uk/MFS/homepage.html - Bandini
May 4, 2016 at 4:44 pm -
And three more makes ten:
“Notwithstanding the above, the MCB [Muslim Council of Britain], representing the widely held views of the Muslim community, considers any attempt to remove the ethnicity clauses from adoption legislation is unacceptable to all faith and ethnic communities. In particular, we believe the bill’s proposal jeopardises the fundamental right of Muslim children [sic] to their religious identity and therefore the MCB considers such a change will be detrimental to the right of the child and the family.”So the ‘community’ is neither too keen on fostering nor adopting but likes to have a good moan when a ‘Muslim child’ [sic] might have the religion that was forced upon it ‘threatened’ by its being placed with a non-Muslim family. Bah! Enough.
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmpublic/childrenandfamilies/memo/cf106.htm- Lilith
May 4, 2016 at 10:22 pm -
Bandini, this aversion to adoption came about because the story goes that Mohammed had an adopted son. They were terribly close. Eventually the son got a gorgeous wife. Wife was so hot Mo couldn’t bear it and asked his son to divorce her. Son obliged and Mo took up with his ex daughter in law. This set tongues wagging and tutting. “I know he likes the bints, does Mo, but his daughter in law? That’s incest.!” Luckily for Mo, just in the nick of time Allah had a word, specifically that adoption is an abomination and is neither legal or holy. This is the famous moment his child bride Ayisha said “phwoar Mo, Allah don’t half turn up at just the right moment, you and he have a great connection!”
- Mudplugger
May 5, 2016 at 8:26 am -
Lilith, great story beautifully told, but what we really need is a cartoon to help us visualise the tale and all its participants.
Feeling lucky ?- Bandini
May 5, 2016 at 11:02 am -
Will a film with a certain cartoonish-quality suffice, Mudplugger? From about 9’40”:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmodVun16Q4&bpctr=1462443457 - JimS
May 5, 2016 at 12:24 pm -
Mohammed’s Believe It or Else has lots of good stories.
- Bandini
- Mudplugger
- Lilith
- Bandini
- Peter Raite
- Cascadian
May 4, 2016 at 4:43 pm -
I am sure they are good kids, and I hope they will be very comfortable living with Yvette Balls totally at her expense. (because that’s exactly what she suggested she would do, and we all know she would not lie)
- Mudplugger
May 4, 2016 at 8:41 pm -
But surely, billeting any innocent kids in the Cooper/Balls household would count as ‘cruel and unusual punishment’ under Human Rights legislation, leading to hosts of compo-lawyers salivating at the prospect of the pay-off – it could be the saving of Slater & Gordon.
Hard-hearted as I am, I reckon no feral child is quite so bad as to deserve being subjected to Cooper & Balls every day – even King Herod would be preferable as a secure source of childcare.- Cascadian
May 5, 2016 at 1:27 am -
Surely you are mistaken Mudplugger, the Balls are assuredly doubleplusgood-certified for raising the next generation of liebour voters, because that was all that the immigration surge was (and is) about. The King Herod model wastes useful voting fodder.
Now, off with you to the re-education camp.
- Cascadian
- binao
May 5, 2016 at 7:41 am -
If only we could apply this solution in response to all handwringers.
I had in mind unlimited immigration provided each person is sponsored. By sponsored I mean the lifetime cost, a home, supervision and any consequences associated with the presence of the new citizen being wholly and irrevocably underwritten by the sponsor.
It seems at present the champagne socialist set are carrying on business as usual, i.e. salving their wet consciences with other peoples money.
And if mainland Europe is so unsafe why the obsession with submerging ourselves in it?
- Mudplugger
- Don Cox
May 4, 2016 at 5:46 pm -
I wonder what proportion of these “children” will turn out to be teenagers.
If Muslims are reluctant to adopt, then priority should be given to Christian refugees.
- Don Cox
May 4, 2016 at 8:08 pm -
And Yazidis.
- Don Cox
- Fat Steve
May 4, 2016 at 6:00 pm -
‘Confused of Norfolk’
Don’t know whats in the water in Norfolk but Dwarfs that drink it look for Justice in the Law and Raccoons that drink it look for logic and consistency in Politicians …..in the light of the outbreak of amnesia of events since the last war in East Anglia I am taking no risks in Sussex and sticking to LIDL’s wine counter till the NHS tell me give me the all clear.- The Blocked Dwarf
May 4, 2016 at 6:20 pm -
Don’t know whats in the water in Norfolk
The run off from thousands of hectares of well manured sugar beet fields… and limescale, Norfolk water is harder than Vinnie Jones. Which explains why so many Norfolkers have calcified shit for brains.
- Fat Steve
May 4, 2016 at 7:01 pm -
Naaahhh Dwarf having learnt of the KGB conspiracy from my mate Stewart I reckon you are part of a false flag dark ‘op’ to cover up whats really going on in Norfolk
- The Blocked Dwarf
May 4, 2016 at 7:49 pm -
whats really going on in Norfolk
If you find out then please do let myself and The Racoon know. There is a dead drop at Euston Station where messages may be left or you could use that ultra modern Optical Telegraph-thingy .
- Fat Steve
May 4, 2016 at 8:02 pm -
Shuuush Dwarf you are being monitored 24/7/365 by the Masons . Make your mind go blank and proceed to the kitchen immediately and fashion a tin foil hat. Once it is on your head recite Gandalf’s blessing to the dwarfs you may start thinking again ……but lay off the water
- Fat Steve
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Fat Steve
- The Blocked Dwarf
- David
May 4, 2016 at 6:39 pm -
I presume that if Britain stays in the EU, we will have to take our share of refugees. Even if we don’t, refugees, once the have EU residence can come anyway?
- Mr Ecks
May 5, 2016 at 10:23 am -
Which is why leaving the EU is only a start.
- Mr Ecks
- Carol42
May 4, 2016 at 6:45 pm -
It’s the definition of children I object to, they show pictures of small children who could not have got to Europe on their own but the children accepted seem to be 17/18 years olds and often look a lot older. What tests are done to ascertain their age? Or Dna to prove they are related to relatives here? and why are they not being protected in the safe countries they are in? Living in Kent I can see the terrible strain on social services etc. I think we are being taken for mugs again.
- windsock
May 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm -
- JuliaM
May 5, 2016 at 7:52 am -
“What tests are done to ascertain their age?”
I suggest we cut ’em in half and count the rings.
- windsocl
May 5, 2016 at 8:24 am -
Ha!
- windsocl
- JuliaM
- windsock
- Bandini
May 4, 2016 at 7:24 pm -
He “travelled through nine countries without his family, [and] finally reached safety in the UK… …he travelled through Lebanon, Turkey, Greece, Macedonia, Serbia, Hungary, Austria, Germany and France before reaching the UK…”
- Carol42
May 4, 2016 at 8:42 pm -
Seems like we are the only safe country in Europe !
- Mudplugger
May 5, 2016 at 8:27 am -
Some of us have known that for a long time, certainly since 1973.
- Mudplugger
- Carol42
- Andrew Duffin
May 5, 2016 at 3:35 pm -
Water under the bridge now that Cameron has caved (where did we hear that before, I wonder…).
But all of these “children” should have stayed in the first safe country they arrived in, which certainly wasn’t the UK.
And of course once they’re here and settled at our expense, it’ll turn out that they are not unaccompanied at all – it’s just that the company is following later – under family membership provisions of course. Probably about 10-20 people for each unaccompanied (for now) “child”.
Why do we go on putting up with this?
- Mudplugger
May 5, 2016 at 6:04 pm -
Because not enough of us have voted UKIP yet – there’s still time today to vote UKIP for everything: the parish council, local authority, Police Commissioner, Mayor etc. If we all do that in every poll, the message will finally get through.
You may not like the candidates or the party itself, but hold your nose and vote for them, because only then will the message be heard loudly and clearly enough.
If you vote for anyone else, you’re part of the problem, not the solution.
- Mudplugger
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