Slater & Gordon – ‘Ouch’ edition.
Last April, one of those little noticed tweeks to regulatory matters, brought in by the Government without publicity, was made to the rules surrounding court costs:
(1) Orders for costs made against the claimant may be enforced to the full extent of such orders with the permission of the court where the claim is found on the balance of probabilities to be fundamentally dishonest.
Lo! A new addition to the legal lexicon. ‘Fundamentally dishonest‘. Nobody was sure precisely what it meant. Not that anybody other than a few academic lawyers were even discussing the matter.
The case of James v. Diamanttec similarly attracted little interest. A Mr James, an operator of diamond drilling equipment, was claiming £85,000 from the insurers of the now liquidated Diamanttec company as damages for the hearing loss he said he had suffered.
Mr James’ case was dismissed at trial. The Deputy District Judge Kilbane said quite firmly that, ‘the claimant has not been telling the truth here today‘. However, she did not feel able to rule as to whether this meant he was ‘fundamentally dishonest’. When the matter came back before her, she ruled that although he had ‘not been telling the truth‘ his dishonesty fell short of making him a ‘fundamentally dishonest person’.
The insurers appealed – and that appeal was granted on the basis that the correct test to be applied was whether the claim was fundamentally dishonest, rather than the claimant. Since Mr James’ principle claim was that he hadn’t been provided with hearing protection, that was ‘fundamental’ to his claim and since he had lied about that – he had been provided with protection – then his claim was ‘fundamentally dishonest’.
Mr James, and those backing him financially get to pay all the costs of his court case.
Now, you may be wondering what this has to do with Slater & Gordon, who had nothing to do with this case?
It will have an impact on them for two reasons.
1) It is the first case to have such a ruling under the new Civil Court rules which are aimed at discouraging ‘spurious and speculative’ claims in the area of personal injuries. Personal injuries include those grey areas such as post traumatic stress suffered as a result of alleged sexual abuse at the hands of those of whom all that remains is their estate…
2) And the reason I picked up on this case, is that it was a ‘hearing loss case’, a newish area of ‘mortgage vouchers’ for the legal profession. It was the area specialised in by one Rob Terry who built up a firm called Quindell. A firm he sold to Slater & Gordon at a heavily inflated price and which nearly bankrupted the firm.
Indeed, 4,000 of those 8,000 case that Slater & Gordon’s team of due diligence lawyers pored over before the purchase, are ‘hearing loss cases’ – all now with a large red flag waving over them if any of them turn out to be ‘fundamentally dishonest’. Losing a case used used to be known as ‘coming second’, a bout of bad luck – now it might come with a reversed costs order if it turns out the client was just ‘flying a kite’.
Rob Cummings, of the Association of British Insurers, said: ‘Insurers have seen a spike in opportunistic claims for noise-induced hearing loss, fuelled by greedy claimant lawyers and claims management companies.’
This ruling will of course, apply to all personal injury cases where the case is found to be ‘fundamentally dishonest‘. Who would want to be stuck with a court order for the costs involved in suing the Savile estate? There were no less than 17 Barristers involved in one hearing.
There is a reason why I trawl through these boring case notes – they can act as an excellent pick-me-up on a glorious summer’s day. Gladden your heart indeed.
My heart, if not Slater & Gordon’s.
- Major Bonkers
May 5, 2016 at 9:16 am -
O, if you have tears to shed, prepare to shed them now!
‘Troubled law firm Slater and Gordon avoid bankruptcy after reaching deal with lenders – but could still face a class action from investors hit by value loss of $1.8BILLION’
- Helen
May 5, 2016 at 9:42 am -
Please may I ask a question? Does this only apply to Civil Court cases and if so, why does it not apply in all other Courts? I am thinking about the retrial of Ched Evans and the further claims against Rolf Harris. If the costs ruling applies to all Courts then surely if the cases are found to ‘fundamentally dishonest’ then they have a case to claim costs? I am very curious to know the answer as this would affect the non celebrity cases and would maybe be a deterrent in bringing spurious and malicious claims.
- Jonathan King
May 5, 2016 at 10:08 am -
As usual Anna you have spotted something very interesting; and how about those, like the police, who may intentionally or unintentionally assist the claimants either through incompetence or laziness? Are they not then conspiring to pervert the course of justice? Or does the concept of justice only exist in the criminal courts? If a case fails to reach the courts or the accused is found to be innocent, may not the false allegators be not merely mistaken but, in some cases, might not their claims at least be fundamentally dishonest?
- Eric
May 5, 2016 at 11:08 am -
Perhaps the Colony of Oz will lead the way. In Victoria there is talk among many lawyers that the new State government is soon to crack down on third party insurance claims that cannot really be proved: the famous ‘whiplash’ injury suffered when a shopping trolley rolls gently into your parked car as you return from the supermarket. The proliferation of such claims has boomed over the past 15 years and have been driven by no-fee upfront law firms with one by the name of Slater & Gordon being heavily involved in advertising for such victims.
In NSW they have already brought in a law to limit compensation in historic sex abuse claims where, as an example- victims touched up by a former TV star or a wobble board wielding singer where getting compensation of up to $75,000 (if your son or daughter was brutally murdered by the evil BackPacker Murderer and had their body dumped in a State park you got the princely sum of $7500).
Victims must now apply within 10 years of the abuse (or by age 28 if you were a child by time). The howls of outrage from compo lawyers (S&L) and “survivor” support groups has been furious. They claim this limits victim’s rights to justice thereby linking compensation to the notion of justice. The Attorney General ignored their pleas and the State parliament passed the law. Generally when Oz states pass a law the other states follow suit. God Save The Queen!
- Carol42
May 5, 2016 at 2:21 pm -
That sounds a really sensible change, one we would do well to adopt here, similar to the American statute of limitations I believe. I think it is very wrong that the estates of the dead can we sued on the basis of unproven allegations depriving the families and charities of any inheritance.
- Carol42
- The Jannie
May 5, 2016 at 11:13 am -
The idea of ambulance chasers being bitten in the arse so gladdens my heart that I mixed a metaphor specially for the occasion.
- Fat Steve
May 5, 2016 at 11:15 am -
Actually Anna there has always been something along these lines in Court Proceedure but not codified so far as I know. I am hopelessly rusty (if ever I was bright and shiny) on the law but there always was Champerty and the Court had jurisdiction to award costs against a Solicitior personally and I think also a Barrister. The issue was well chewed over in the Tolstoy and Aldington case and I recollect a specific sub section in what was known as the White book (the Old Civil Proceedure) . I suceeded once in getting a costs order against another Solicitor but not for big money …..and aaaarrrrgggghhh !!!!! had to defend my firm once against such an application for a six figure sum. Interestingly the Court found that my firm had acted as it had because of a less than totally honest representation by our opponent . For those interested this might be a link to start with http://swarb.co.uk/tolstoy-miloslavsky-v-aldington-ca-27-dec-1995/
But you are right fundamentally dishonest has a nice ring though I fear a bit that the mouth from which it is uttered may carry too much weight …..like the person who utters words like racist homophobe fascist or anti semite…….establishments do have a habit of destroying those who challenge it often more by succesful use of invective than substance.
The origin of why so many specualtive claims came about was because Insurers looked at every claim ‘commercially’ on an individual basis …within certain limits it was invariably cheaper to settle than fight on merit …..the costs of settlements were taken care of by increased premiuims and so the industry of claims farming was born.
Hope you enjoyed your swim- Pericles Xanthippou
May 5, 2016 at 7:35 pm -
Steve
Boosting claims is fundamental — it’s that word again — to the insurance industry’s ‘business model’. The higher be the claims, the higher the premia; profits are a function of premium income.
ΠΞ
- Fat Steve
May 5, 2016 at 8:02 pm -
Dead Right Pericles …..the more money passes through your hands the more you can skim ……and the less you try to impose discipline on claims the less work one has to do and the less costs incurred…..I have always thought modern day insurance to be a bit like privatised taxation or a form of Extortion/Protection Racket. Little incentive in the legal profession taking a stand since work from insurers is pretty much the daily bread for most profitable litigation departments
- Fat Steve
May 5, 2016 at 8:18 pm -
For those interested in alternatives to the present system
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort_reform
- Fat Steve
- Fat Steve
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Bandini
May 5, 2016 at 11:43 am -
Off-topic, but an article linked-to by Windsock yesterday (beneath ‘Fathoming Farron and Cooper’) alerted me to another sprouting branch of the P.I. money-tree: refugees & immigration.
The Guardian piece dealt with a 16-year-old ‘child’ who had been detained ‘illegally’ by those who doubted his true age – but he had someone on his side: “Asif Anwar of Duncan Lewis solicitors, which is representing the boy…”Curiosity got the better of me, and I had a peek at that firm’s website, included upon which was a court ruling relating to a hoped-for ‘claim for cash’ from a life-long criminal who didn’t much fancy being booted-out of his adopted country (admittedly one in which he had resided since a very young age):
“He seeks from me a declaration that he was unlawfully imprisoned [for a period of 19½ months], following which the parties would seek to settle the quantum of damages.”
They lost. Perhaps there’ll be an appeal. I wouldn’t dare attempt a calculation of the enormous cost of the detention orders as a child, imprisonment in Young Offenders’ Institute, and on into adult life with substantial spells in prison proper, but I’m guessing that the claim against the UK will also have been funded BY the UK, so there’d be that figure to add to the rest.
Maybe ‘fundamentally taking the piss’ could one day take its place beside ‘fundamental dishonesty’.
http://www.bailii.org/cgi-bin/markup.cgi?doc=/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2016/406.html&query=duncan+and+lewis&method=boolean- Major Bonkers
May 5, 2016 at 9:54 pm -
The judge in that case is Tony Blair’s brother.
- Major Bonkers
- Wigner’s Friend
May 5, 2016 at 12:49 pm -
I wonder of “Public Interest Lawyers” and “Leigh Day” may be getting a little worried. (I hope so.) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/11301737/Law-firm-at-centre-of-Al-Swaedy-inquiry-has-faced-repeated-criticism-from-judges.html I have only include a single link but there are many more.
- The Blocked Dwarf
May 5, 2016 at 2:07 pm -
Upon confirmation of the decision to consider the appeal last month, CCRC chair Richard Foster said: “The decision of the commission is not a judgment on guilt or innocence in relation to Ched Evans, nor is it a judgment about the honesty or integrity of the victim or any other person involved in the case.
In other words I doubt TPTB will allow this whole ‘fundamentally dishonest’ thing to be applied to ‘victims’ trying to claim from the estates of the dead. Bit of a two edged sword, they can’t prove Savile abused them but , by the same token, it will almost impossible for the estate to prove that the allegators are making a fundamentally dishonest claim.
- Bandini
May 5, 2016 at 3:07 pm -
There are cases where the estate, the police, or investigative journalist – even a UK-based blogger with connections! – could easily prove that not only the allegator but also the media & legal firm profiting from the claim were ‘fundamentally dishonest’:
“I have experienced Liz and her team to be highly professional and incredibly caring in their work with me on the Savile case. How can I get you to know though how professional, how caring??
Really, unless you’re me, I doubt that you can.
For this is a hard case, a hard time for me. And it goes on, and on.
So, sometimes I’m on the phone to Jessica, ranting and raving. And she stays with it, with me. Another time I can revert to the child that was sexually assaulted by Savile and I’m crying. Again she hangs in there. And yeah, that’s what Liz and her team do, they hang in there and they say “hang in there Dee”.
They believe me. They fight for me. On and on.
I’m sure others can put it far more eloquently than me, so I’m just speaking from my heart when I say the guys at Slater and Gordon work with good practice, excellent communication but far more importantly they work ( and work bloody hard) with good heart, with love, love for justice, love for humanity.”
http://www.slatergordon.co.uk/personal-injury/sexual-and-physical-abuse/
A tottering tower of Jenga… it can’t go on (and on) for ever.
- Bandini
- mike fowle
May 5, 2016 at 2:41 pm -
I am rusty on inter partes costs now but usually the claimant insures against paying costs. Did this judgment affect that?
- Chromatistes
May 5, 2016 at 6:28 pm -
Hooray for Common Sense!
- Lord T
May 5, 2016 at 7:13 pm -
British justice. The best that you can afford. All that you need to do now to win a case is put 100 expensive barristers on retainer and the other party will be too scared of losing everything that it will never take you to court.
Where is the reasonable costs clause that means you won’t go bankrupt because someone has a lot more dosh than you have.
Yet another nail in the coffin for Justice.
- Stephen Lewis
May 6, 2016 at 7:31 am -
It is already about how much money you have for the accused – lower down the food chain. Any allegations defence must be paid for by the accused unless particularly lowly paid. I suggest many of the accused choose guilty and 1/2 the penalties rather than fight an allegation that is particularly difficult to disprove.
Seems to me that some people are now defending claims of “he touched my leg” 30 years ago. I cannot see how you can defend yourself against such a claim… then lawyers build that into “it ruined my life”.
It’s a difficult situation, but I feel that the only way these cases should be processed is if there is undeniable evidence. Unfortunate for some and many perpetrators will escape. However evidence is the only way forward or alternative miscarriages are going to take place.
- Eric
May 6, 2016 at 11:12 am -
the lawyers only do it …”with love, love for justice, love for humanity.”. Instead of plastering the media with adverts as Compensation Lawyers that should be their slogan.. “Messrs Sue, Grabbit & Runn…we do it for the love of humanity”.
- Bandini
May 6, 2016 at 12:04 pm -
Are you suggesting they might be full of something other than love, Eric?!? So cynical…
- Bandini
- Eric
- Stephen Lewis
May 6, 2016 at 12:45 pm -
Very few members of the public are exposed to false claims either for themselves or family or friends. Thus they know little of the problems false claims cause. They are however exposed consistently to claims of assault by people they may have a prejudice against, thus they are continually wound up by the media to be horrified.
I suggest that very few people who make a false claim are brought to the publics’ attention. Almost no-one knows that if you do become a victim of a false claim you will have to pay for your own defence whether successful or not. The ones that may know are confident that they will never be a victim because these things only happen to other people.
- Stephen Lewis
- Pericles Xanthippou
May 5, 2016 at 7:36 pm -
I suppose that ‘fundamentally’ means what on Lord Hall-Hall’s transmitter is now usually called ‘bicyclee’.
Part 44 containing no definition of the word, I assume the usual rule applies: unless defined otherwise (within the legislation or contract, as the case might be), a word has its normal meaning in the English language. Now, I accept that, as part of the ageing process, I might have missed something. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least to find the Roundheads had changed that rule too, along with half the rules of science!
Something I certainly do seem to have missed is the idea that losing a civil case was ‘known as ‘coming second’, a bout of bad luck’. I thought the general rule in English law — in contrast with American — was that costs went with the decision.
I love reading these technical items from Mme. Raccoon.
ΠΞ
de minimis: ‘principal claim’. Aren’t homophones wonderful?
- VileSubvert
May 5, 2016 at 9:33 pm -
The UK Fake Whiplash Crash-for-Cash false claims BIG scam is finally exposed.
Yet STILL the dumbed down UK sheeple can’t see precisely the same ambulance-chasing mentality in their Fake SeXlash False Claims BIG biz. Unknown beyond the 19Hateys ongoing rabid Right wing fascist fraud market phoney Anglophone.
A Monetarist/Mammonite/Pirate-ized fraud market for corporate pirates, pimps, whores, and profit – not for people.
Anything goes in the profit craZed phoney Anglophone, not least lowbrow Murdochized media turning tricks by shafting their dumbed down shallow ignorant masses.
Don’t dumb down – Wize UP!!
Crash for Cash
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v - Barry Cook
May 5, 2016 at 9:57 pm -
For the last few months insurers and their representatives have been busy gathering evidence against claimants they believe could be fundamentally dishonest (FD).
I can tell you for certain that they intend going public with these cases and aren’t any of spending money proving the claimants are taking the perverbial.
Efforts are being made to redact certain elements of the evidence (3rd party ID etc) such that when the case is proven to be FD they can present their evidence to the media as clear warnings to others who may be tempted to jump on the bandwagon.
- Dave
May 6, 2016 at 12:33 am -
From Anna’s post dated 2nd May
https://annaraccoon.com/2016/05/02/hogan-howe-cult-leader-or-not-in-control/“At the point when someone makes an allegation of crime, the police should believe the account given and a crime report should be completed on the relevant force system. If, at the time of reporting, there is credible evidence to the contrary that determines no crime was committed then the matter should be recorded as an incident.”
In today’s post
https://annaraccoon.com/2016/05/05/slater-gordon-ouch-edition/We read this
“Last April, one of those little noticed tweaks to regulatory matters, brought in by the Government without publicity, was made to the rules surrounding court costs:
(1) Orders for costs made against the claimant may be enforced to the full extent of such orders with the permission of the court where the claim is found on the balance of probabilities to be fundamentally dishonest.”
So the Police say that the person making the allegation is always to be believed-
and the courts are saying that any case brought that is found to be fundamentally dishonest will have an order for costs made against them. I’m only a layman. Have I got that right? - VileSubvert
May 6, 2016 at 10:19 am -
Top Lawyer Turley, on the case(s).
- AdrianS
May 6, 2016 at 11:38 am -
Used to work in claims department of insurer, the view was the claims only got more expensive the longer they went on. Even if you had a rock solid case it could still come unstuck in court and you could end up paying much more ,then management would be asking why didn’t you settle earlier.
A number of cases did come unstuck for plaintiffs when we made early offers and they failed to beat these and picked up a load of extra costs - Alexander Baron
May 6, 2016 at 4:18 pm -
Like you I have some inside information on this firm of shysters, from a lawyer who has been on the receiving end of their shoddy practices.
What I would like to see but I doubt will happen is the police take a real close look at some of these claimants, and not just the Savile claimants.
The fact that five women made the same spurious allegation against Jimmy Tarbuck is something that cannot be dismissed as coincidence, rather it suggests if not a conspiracy then at least a hub. At the very least, team Dux have been encouraging if not coaching such claimants. A thorough investigation would I am sure lead to many of these claims being withdrawn and maybe even to a few canaries singing.
- Andy marshall
May 10, 2016 at 6:32 pm -
See you next Tuesday…
- Bandini
May 12, 2016 at 5:25 pm -
Here someone had a change of heart over pursuing their claim… but it came too late:
https://www.forbessolicitors.co.uk/news/display/35425/what-a-scoop-claimant-found-fundamentally-dishonest-after-relying-on-a-photograph-taken-before-the-accident-occurred:
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