Proctor Gambles on Fairy Transparency.
Harvey Proctor has unsheathed his ‘sword of truth’ and come out fighting; unwilling to cower in the closet any longer whilst rumours swirl around the Internet.
Taking the lectern in the Marlborough Suite, he issued a robust response to the allegations first espoused by Chris Fay when he claimed that Proctor’s name appeared on his now discredited ‘list’ of alleged paedophiles operating out of the Elm Guest House in Barnes. Proctor firmly denies ever having set foot in the place.
He has robustly stated: “I am a homosexual. I am not a murderer or a paedophile.”
In fact Proctor has been open about his perfectly legal sexual preference for some years; in the ‘After Dark’ programme in 1988, he took journalist Annette Witheridge to task for a story she published in the News of the World a few days before his trial for homosexual activity with a youth he believed to be over 21. During the trial it came to light that he had only met the youth twice; the first time Proctor claims that the young man told him he was over 21, a claim given much credence by the fact that the second occasion, when the young man returned, helpfully wired for sound and vision by a Sunday newspaper, the young man repeated his claim that he was over 21 – on tape!
Proctor had no choice other than to accept that he had committed a crime, that of gross indecency, when he became aware that the youth was in fact only 19 – so he pleaded guilty. He also resigned as an MP a few days beforehand. However, this background made his name inevitable to join the list of ‘VIPs’ to be traded in the darker corners of the Internet. The charges he pleaded guilty to in 1987 related to the then age of consent for homosexual activity, and are no longer offences as the age of consent has been lowered to 16.
Mr Proctor said that he had been accused of being part of a child sex-ring with the late Prime Minister Edward Heath, ex-Home Secretary Leon Brittan, along with ex-heads of MI5 and MI6, revealing that he had been questioned over claims of the alleged murder of three boys supposedly linked to an “elite Westminster sex ring”. Mr Proctor and another man are accused of raping a boy, before the former MP strangled him until the boy’s body went limp, according to the statement issued by Mr Proctor. He was accused of punching and kicking another boy to death.
“They amount to just about the worst allegations anyone can make against another person including, as they do, multiple murder of children, their torture, grievous bodily harm, rape and sexual child abuse.”
“I denied all and each of the allegations in turn [to police] and in detail and categorised them as false and untrue and, in whole, an heinous calumny,”
The allegations are based on the testimony of an anonymous witness.
He said the police are now in a quandary – “support the victim, however ludicrous allegations, or risk charge of cover-up.” By ‘victim’ he is of course referring to Exaro’s famously anonymous ‘Nick’. In a document that Mr Proctor says was sent to him by police before his interviews, Nick accused Mr Proctor of stripping and tying a child to a table, before stabbing him over his body during a 40 minute attack.
‘I should either be arrested and charged – or Nick should be stripped of his anonymity and be prosecuted for wasting police time.”
He has called for @tom_watson to state “outside protection of Parliament, the names of ex MPs he says are part of alleged ring” and is extremely critical of the police, calling for the head of Operation Midland, DS Kenny McDonald, to resign.He said that Labour MPs, led by Tom Watson, had acted disgracefully over their pursuit of Establishment figures allegedly linked to a child sex ring, and challenged them to sue him for saying so.
Journalist are divided, it would appear, as to whether he said he wanted DS Kenny Macdonald to be tested for signs of psychiatric illness – or ‘Nick’.
[Ed. Or do we prefer?]
He finished his statement by saying:
“The paranoid police have pursued a homosexual witch hunt, egged on by a motley crew of certain media, internet fantasists and Labour MPs”.
So far, ‘Giving Victims a Voice’ has comprised a series of low-rent documentaries, and ‘kiss and tell’ articles in the dying main stream media, backed up by a furious social media campaign designed to convince everyone that there is no such thing as an innocent man against whom allegations have been made. The rolling news has been dominated by tearful faces explaining why they never thought to mention that they were brought up on a diet of grilled foetuses and chained in a basement throughout their childhood – whilst those accused of the most heinous of crimes are rarely given column inches to speak out in the months leading up to their trial, (or more usually an arch statement from the CPS, a disgraceful number of months later, merely saying ‘not in the public interest to prosecute’)
By calling this press conference, Proctor has taken a bold gamble. He is daring to stand up to the Internet bullies, and challenging the supine main stream media to take a close look at what is going on.
I shall look with interest to see who is reporting this in the media in the morning – and how; and whether Tom Watson, who aspires to be deputy leader of the Labour party, is prepared to take up the challenge of taking his whispering campaign outside the protection of parliament.
- Joe Public
August 25, 2015 at 4:19 pm -
Surf the internet, be Bold, ignore those who shout ‘Omo’, just ensure there’s no whitewash.
- Jon
August 25, 2015 at 6:12 pm -
Maybe the young man was called Daz…
- Ho Hum
August 25, 2015 at 6:21 pm -
…who drank all the Zal….
- Joe Public
August 25, 2015 at 7:42 pm -
Maybe the Tide will turn, the accuser will Vanish, and he’ll rEcover his reputation?
- Engineer
August 25, 2015 at 7:47 pm -
That’s Brillo!
- Hadleigh Fan
August 25, 2015 at 8:28 pm -
Surely ‘There is a tide in the affaires of Mann …’
- Engineer
- Engineer
August 25, 2015 at 7:45 pm -
This Persil-cution must stop.
- Ho Hum
August 25, 2015 at 7:50 pm -
May be Lysol of it
- Joe Public
- Ho Hum
- Jon
- David Warner
August 25, 2015 at 4:28 pm -
Harvey Proctor seems to be taking a principled stand – maybe he can do this because his reputation has been trashed previously.
A Labour figure I am intrigued by is John Mann MP, who made a speech alluding to child abuse in the reply to the Queen’s Speech recently. He seemed to have imbibed sufficient refreshment to be noticeably slurring at the time. Which I think is a bit worrying. Was he so disturbed by the subject of his speech that he needed Dutch courage?
If child abuse is to be debated in Parliament (or anywhere else) we need total accuracy and clarity – and minimum hyperbole and rhetoric.- Anne.
August 25, 2015 at 6:34 pm -
True – a proper debate is needed on this very important matter – what are the chances of that happening though, any attempt at rational debate would be shut down.
- Anne.
- Carol42
August 25, 2015 at 4:52 pm -
I just hope this gets the publicity and scrutiny it deserves, it gets more ridiculous by the day and is a waste of police time and public money until some hard evidence is produced. Saying it is a homosexual witch hunt is a good move, as it is not done to discriminate against gay people and it is largely related to boys. Maybe this will bring it to a head and the trashing of people’s life will stop.
- Chris
August 25, 2015 at 5:22 pm -
I see they’d attempted to weave ‘Savile’ into Proctor’s questioning yesterday too – making matters even more absurd.
So many vested interests in this lunacy, but I have found myself wondering if one of those is to hold this former empire up to international disgust and ridicule and effectively neutralise the UK as a ”force”?
- Mrs Grimble
August 25, 2015 at 5:44 pm -
….and far too many egos to fit into a single room!
- Carol42
August 25, 2015 at 6:11 pm -
Just listened to an hour on LBC on this subject, as usual the guy from exaro was adamant that the police believed Nick was credible but to my surprise one caller said he thought it wrong that Jummy Savile was traduced when he never faced a trial and comparing the current situation with the Satanic Ritual abuse hysteria which also ruined many children’s lives, that was child abuse from forced anal examinations to removal from their innocent families. There is some sanity out there.
- Anon
August 26, 2015 at 5:53 pm -
I could fill a football stadium with like minded people regarding Sir Jimmy Savile, but most are too scared of being called a Denier and the rest at the moment – when it does happen it’ll be a Tsunami of sanity Carol42.
- Mr Wray
August 28, 2015 at 6:57 pm -
I my limited experience most people believe the Savile story and are genuinely surprised to hear that there is another way to look at the ‘evidence’.
People believe what they want to believe and that’s that. No matter how hard you hit them with the ‘truth’.
- Mr Wray
- Anon
- The Vatman Cometh
August 25, 2015 at 6:25 pm -
Isn’t it strange how many of the accusations currently flying about regarding the Great VIP Paedospiracy seem to emanate from the same small group of people and involve the same (dead or nearly dead) VIPS. “Nick” names Heath, Brittan, Oldfield et al as Dolphin Square partygoers; Richard “Kincora” Kerr names the same ones as popping over to Belfast to carry on their nefarious activities whilst the they also seem to have patronised the Elm Guest House, Cannock Chase and anywhere else the fantisists claim they were; these names, of course, have been doing the rounds of the internet and the rumourmongers for years – they’ve just been given credence and publicity by Labour’s three stooges, certain media stirrers (Exagerrato anyone?) and the no-win, no-fee crowd let by Slater & Moron.
- Mrs Grimble
August 25, 2015 at 6:55 pm -
It’s also strange how this seems to be jogging the memories of elderly ex-plods; suddenly, they’re remembering how they were told to cover up this or that case of VIP child abuse. Even stranger, they don’t take their stories to the current plods investigating these crimes, but to the tabloids! Are police pensions really that bad nowadays?
- The VATman Cometh
August 25, 2015 at 10:08 pm -
Yes – usually ex-DCI Clive Driscoll, who claims to have been thwarted by those dark forces when trying to expose the paedospiracy back in the dim and distant past (anyone would think he had a book to publicise – oh, he has …) although he has some new completion from another ex-plod called Geoff Platt who also knows all about the conspiracy of silence (and also has a book out..). Similarly, when they want a old pressman’s opinion up pops Dodgy Don “Bakewell Tart” Hale with his Barbara Castle paedo dossier which no-one has seen but him and his conspiracies which even Exaro would think we’re a bit way out …
- The VATman Cometh
- Mrs Grimble
- Outlaw
August 25, 2015 at 6:28 pm -
It’s high time that Exaro’s pet ‘Nick’ was ‘Nicked’ or at least stripped of his anonymity, which is something that saddens me to say.
But innocent people must be protected from this Exaro-fuelled internet insanity and Scatter-gun approach, which apart from destroying careers, reputations and indeed lives – also does a great disservice to genuine ‘victims’ of abuse.
I tend to avoid the word ‘survivor’ now as it’s become a somewhat exclusive club which is harder to gain entry to than it is to join the Labour Party now.
- SW
August 25, 2015 at 6:33 pm -
They name those people who they can remember or on whom they can dig out some old story. Exactly the same happens in historic ‘care home’ cases.
The head, i.e. the only person whose name most are capable of remembering, is invariably accused or implicated, sometimes along with other staff, such as unit heads. One could easily believe that ‘Paedophile’ is highlighted as an essential requirement for those aspiring to leadership roles in care homes.
- Ho Hum
August 25, 2015 at 6:47 pm -
‘or on whom they can dig out some old story’. Such prescience.
The DM has actually got comments open on this story(!), and someone (not me) has posted this… (I’ve taken the poster’s name out as one might assume that when someone there wakes up this afternoon, the comments will be zapped)
xxxxxxxxx_xxxxxxxxxx, xxxxxxxxxx, United Kingdom, 41 minutes ago
Slater and Gordon will dig up Richard II next.Priceless.
- Bandini
August 26, 2015 at 3:58 pm -
Proctor got in there first, Ho Hum! From his statement yesterday:
“If he does not, it will not be long before he establishes “Operation Plantagenet” to determine Richard III’s involvement in the murder of the Princes in the Tower of London.”
- Bandini
- Ho Hum
- Robert Edwards
August 25, 2015 at 6:45 pm -
I recall that HP ran (for a while) a shirt shop in Richmond. I bought a few of his products. He was grave, courteous and struck me as being an essentially decent bloke.
But isn’t this a rehash of the old Richard Nixon adage? “Give your enemies something to deny…”
- darren laverty
August 25, 2015 at 6:57 pm -
I wonder if Sir Peter Morrison would have taken such a “bold gamble”? He’s dead though of course. I also wonder if the witness (James) who told Channel 4 he seen him at Bryn Estyn was of sound mind? You decide
http://www.channel4.com/news/exclusive-eyewitness-saw-thatcher-aide-take-boys-to-abuse - John Derbyshire
August 25, 2015 at 7:51 pm -
When you are young you are told fairy stories and told to stay away from strange men. When you are old you see strange men telling fairy stories and it be wise to stay away from them.
One way to solve all this is to give Proctor a polygraph and then the police and others can apologise if he telling the truth and if he is guilty then then the police can put their charges before a court.- Ho Hum
August 25, 2015 at 7:58 pm -
Why not for those on both sides to the story?
But I’d be a wee bit worried that St Nick would be proved to find assertions made as to the subject of Santa’s existence both honest and credible
And then, at least in the populist mind, it would all be back to square 1
- James Sykes
August 25, 2015 at 8:38 pm -
Perhaps Tom Watson could take one ? Preferably in public . A polygraph that is
- James Sykes
- English Pensioner
August 25, 2015 at 8:43 pm -
The trouble is that I understand you can train yourself to appear to be telling the truth; polygraphs are not that reliable.
And if he was found to be telling the truth, there would still be those claiming that the results were faulty.
- Ho Hum
- Duncan Disorderly
August 25, 2015 at 8:27 pm -
“…is extremely critical of the police calling for the head of Operation Midland, DS Kenny McDonald, to resign.”
You need a comma after the word ‘police’. I thought you were suggesting Proctor is critical of those members of the police that are calling for Kenny McDonald to resign. Excellent piece though!
- binao
August 25, 2015 at 8:33 pm -
We’re never going to stop the press taking a flyer on a possible scandal, no matter how many innocents get hurt. Only the very rich have a hope of resisting.
What we can & should do is remind the police that their job is detection & prevention, nothing more. They are not there to uphold what they think is right.
At the lowest level we have given police the power to decide guilt & impose sanction; it’s cheap because it doesn’t involve courts, but it empowers them & generates a creeping right to decide guilt.
It’s unjust, it’s undemocratic & it’s dangerous.
That’s my view. - English Pensioner
August 25, 2015 at 8:38 pm -
I’ve tried to take into account the fact that he was a politician, accustomed to public speaking, etc, but my impression, based meeting thousands of people during my working days and on instincts honed over more years than I wish to remember, was that he was telling the truth.
I find it difficult to believe in this so-called parliamentary paedophile ring, in murder of young boys and all that is claimed; I simply cannot imagine that it could have kept it secret for so long in view of all the people who it has been claimed were involved.- Eric Hardcastle
August 26, 2015 at 2:07 am -
Call me old fashioned but I like a body to be present when murder is claimed.
And if such murders were so easily committed, why did they leave witnesses?
Afterall if you intend bashing & knifing 2 to death and then a third, why not throttle the witness as well? Especially when Ted Heath is standing there in his yachting outfit.
One of the worst aspects of the false Proctor claims was that policeman who claimed the “witness” was “credible & true”. Why he wasn’t sanctioned for such ludicrous claims is a mystery and says much about the quality of Plod these days.Largely unreported is Proctor’s demand for more educated police including university graduates. If the current lot flogging their books are anything to go by, it begs the question, how incompetent were they in the past? As they all claim the same thing – cover-ups – they should be prosecuted for conspiracy.
- Duncan Disorderly
August 26, 2015 at 9:01 am -
My own view is that cops in this country these days are better than before. Some of the worst abuses cops committed in the old days, either due to corrupt or incompetent practice, are now rarer. The police were totally inept in the Peter Sutcliffe inquiry, for example. That said, the police appear to be doing bizarre work here.
- Cloudberry
August 26, 2015 at 3:20 pm -
“Largely unreported is Proctor’s demand for more educated police including university graduates.”
He should be pleased with this police officer, then, from Operation Yewtree.
https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/gary-pankhurst-msc/37/4b/155
Judging by reports, he testified in both the DLT and Rolf Harris trials and was “in charge of the case against Rolf Harris”.
“Cross-examining the officer, Mr Vullo said: “There are some very troubling things that have happened in this case. “I don’t suggest you have done anything wrong but I don’t absolve all police officers of wrongdoing.””
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-29140886
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/aap/article-2637655/No-proof-Harris-girls-groped.html
- Cloudberry
- Duncan Disorderly
- Eric Hardcastle
- AdrianS
August 25, 2015 at 9:39 pm -
Perhaps this is why we should become an Islamic Republic. They don’t do Gay, so both parties would be punished, so they wouldn’t be keen to run to the papers with their stories. All the pubs closed and turned into Mosques, so no more boozed up idiots causing a nuisance at nights.
Police could enforce speed limits with floggings. Fast food establishments could be renamed as Burqa-King in honor of the prophet- Mr Wray
August 28, 2015 at 7:09 pm -
A simple return to common decency would suffice …
- Mr Wray
- Sam Hill
August 25, 2015 at 10:24 pm -
Why does he imploringly bring attention toward his homosexuality? Doesn’t that cloud the issue he has been accused of and appear like a bit of a screen made of smoke?
- Ho Hum
August 25, 2015 at 10:34 pm -
Hid he was a pedo, din’t he! All homos are pedos, innit so? Smoke um out ‘n burn him………
Get wif de yoof, n de stoopids. mun…
- Ho Hum
August 25, 2015 at 10:38 pm -
Or Is it coz I is getting too old for black humour?
- AdrianS
August 26, 2015 at 6:01 am -
Sic
- AdrianS
- Ho Hum
- windsock
August 26, 2015 at 7:52 am -
No. It clarifies the issue for those who understand it.
- Mudplugger
August 26, 2015 at 8:58 am -
I agree. A gay pal of mine reckons he can handle the traditional slurs against gays after having 50 years of practice, but when people automatically link being gay with being a kiddie-fiddler, that really hurts him.
Proctor may have done many gay folk a favour in emphasising the difference so publicly – although whether your average tabloid reader will recognise that must be up for debate.- windsock
August 26, 2015 at 9:32 am -
Ditto… I still find the slurs tiresome, but usually can bat them back (you may have noticed the odd exception…), but I can remember the fear I felt as a young 14 year-old, starting to recognise my attraction to men, that the path I could be about to follow would inevitably lead to paedophilia and me ending up a dirty, lonely and old man in a grubby raincoat. (Didn’t happen: I am surrounded by friends and still a peacock.) Thankfully, I was able to work out for myself the difference, but it annoys me that some people still want to muddy the waters because “gays need to recruit”. Also, the different ages of consent at the time made everything even more confusing.
- Chris
August 26, 2015 at 9:39 am -
The truth of the matter is that until ‘political correctness’ was ushered in, policemen were very much trained to equate homosexuality with kiddie-fiddling – being ‘queer’ was a heinous crime in itself until Roy Jenkins changed the laws, and then the Age of Consent issues then gave the police license for another 20 years or so to muddy the waters, up to as recently as 2000/2001 with Jonathan King’s wrongful conviction, and many policemen around in the 60s or 70s still maintain old prejudices.
Proctor was chosen for *this* on account of two things – being an old-school somewhat unpopular Enochesque Pantomime Villain Tory, and mainly due to having convictions for indecency. This gravy train feeds on homophobia as much as it does anti-semeticism, and now they’ve used ‘Savile’ (himself smeared long ago as being ‘queer’) and a roll call of working class heterosexual men to ‘change things’, we find there’s many scores to settle with those puppet-masters and bedroom-bound social inadequates. This is all about ways to exercise prejudices against homosexuals and Jews that were driven underground by “p.c”, with heterosexual men used as ‘bait’ for feminist agendas.
Sheer hate.- Mr Wray
August 28, 2015 at 7:23 pm -
What I don’t understand is how so many of these s’leb paedoes turn out to be bi-sexual. They, after all seem to like both boys and girls. I would have thought that most of them would have been either hetro- or homo- sexual. Savile seems to have had a penchant for not only little girls but little boys too. Oh and post-pubescent females. And teenage girls. And women; whilst ‘everyone’ thought he was gay.
It’s almost as if we are being led to believe that perverts like the perversion rather than the objects of their sexual desires.
- Mr Wray
- windsock
- Mudplugger
- Ho Hum
- Outlaw
August 25, 2015 at 11:13 pm -
One only has to look back at the media circus surrounding the Waterhouse Inquiry to see how lucrative false allegations can be.
https://secretofbrynestyn.wordpress.com
- G
August 26, 2015 at 6:10 am -
Ah ha, good old After Dark. 90 shows (I think) over 16 years, a quick Wikipedia hunt produces these which might be relevant:-
22 May 1987
Do The British Love Their Children?
Chantal Cuer
John Rae, Linda Bellos, Germaine Greer, Gordon Whiteley, Russell Hoban, Diane Caw, Sarah Coomaraswamy30 April 1988
Bewitched, Bothered or Bewildered?
Tony Wilson
Moira Woods, Olivia Durdin-Robertson, Jack Shackleford, Jack Dover Wellman, Audrey Harper, Margot Adler, Trevor Turner9 July 1988
After Cleveland
Trevor Hyett
Beatrix Campbell, Shirley Edwards, Ray Wyre, A father from Cleveland, Ralph Underwager, Simon Court, ‘John’, Raine Roberts16 September 1989
What Do We Do With Sex Offenders?
Helena Kennedy
Gerald Silverman, John Coker, Ray Wyre, ‘Peter’, Maurice White, Nell McCafferty, Michael Bettsworth9 February 1991
After Rochdale
Tony Wilson
Beatrix Campbell, Andy Croall, Her Honour Jean Graham Hall, Sherrill Mulhern, John Shirley, Deborah Cameron, Wendy Lindsay, Bill Thompson21 January 1995
Ireland: Sex & Celibacy, Church & State
Helena Kennedy
Garret FitzGerald, Gabriel Daly, Tom Stack, Eddie Humphries, Helena O’Donoghue, Emily O’Reilly, Mary Kenny, Richard Sipe, Sinéad O’Connor1 March 2003
Child Protection: How Far Should We Go?
Helena Kennedy
Esther Rantzen, Tom O’Carroll, Bill Thompson, June Taylor, Jeremy Coid, Peter Garsden, Christian Wolmar - JuliaM
August 26, 2015 at 7:07 am -
Superb article. Proctor’s only wrong about one thing – that the police are specifically targetting homosexuals.
- Misa
August 26, 2015 at 7:14 am -
Great work again, Anna. I hope Mr Proctor gets some support.
Tom Parmenter, in one tweet, explains just how this all works.
- Roijtek
August 26, 2015 at 8:18 am -
“Take the fight to the enemy”. A bit like those three/four guys on the TGV last week.
I must admit to not following these scandals very closely, but apart from the absence of bodies, is there actually any evidence of any boys from that period even going missing?
- Peter Raite
August 26, 2015 at 12:38 pm -
IIRC there’s only one identified child, in relation to Elm House, but the “proof” of that is one anonymous and possibly/probably malicious telephone call to the grieving father.
- Peter Raite
- DiamondHead
August 26, 2015 at 11:22 am -
VIPedo mass murders?!
Roll over Ians Brady & Huntley, tell Roy Whiting the news…
[Edited by admin: Yes, well, we can do without the spam thank you.]
- Mrs Grimble
August 26, 2015 at 11:26 am -
There are missing boys galore. But only one body has turned up in connection with this – an eight-year old boy who, in 1981, was abducted within a mile of the notorious Elm guest house; his partial remains turned up months later in woodland. The father had a phone call from somebody claiming that the child had been murdered by VIP paedos at the guest house.. He says he has a recording of the call, it seems strange that he hasn’t released it to Exaro yet.
- GildasTheMonk
August 26, 2015 at 11:29 am -
I am glad to see Proctor come out (no pun intended) fighting. I can vaguely remember him being the centre of a scandal back in the mid 80’s which centred around getting kinky with a rent boy – the under age as I understand it. Ho hum…ad a massive shrug of the shoulders from me. Perhaps Proctor’s real crime was being a bit posh and very right wing. One of the suggestions in this “farce” (I use the word loosely, because there is nothing farcical about having your house turned over by plod) is that he was in on a conspiracy to do all these indecent and murderous things with Edward Heath. As I understand it Proctor openly admits the pair truly loathed each other and neither would have crossed the road with a bucket of water to help if they had seen the other one on fire. I really do feel the police ought to be investigating some more credible crimes, such as the kidnap of Prince Charles (who has been replaced with a body double by the Illuminati), and, speaking of which, the large number of members of the Establishment as well as presenters of the Great British Bake off who are secretly lizard people ben on world domination by controlling the internet and flooding it with recipes for jam sponge cake.
- DiamondHead
August 26, 2015 at 11:36 am -
H.P. real sauce: “Put up, or SHUT UP!!”
- Ho Hum
August 26, 2015 at 12:10 pm -
His name is Richard and I claim my £5
- Ho Hum
August 26, 2015 at 12:11 pm -
Sheeshhh!
That was a reply to
Anna Raccoon August 26, 2015 at 11:58 am
Have you got anything intelligent to say? If not, shut up.
- Ho Hum
- James Grumblewick
August 26, 2015 at 12:36 pm -
It’s good that Proctor is making a stand. Hopefully, that might be a nail in the coffin towards an end to this madness. I hope no further action is taken by the police. Our compensation laws badly need to be changed so that any compensation goes towards counselling costs and I feel that it would reduce the number of false allegations considerably. As long as this madness is allowed to continue it will make the real paedophiles more dangerous. My question is what about the children who really are being abused and women who are genuinely being abused by violent husbands or partners today? To have innocent men being hounded and sent to gaol for crimes they did not commit is useless and leaves real paedophiles and violent men free to carry out their evil deeds unimpeded. Not only that it prevents real victims from coming forwards. Thanks to this idiotic compensation culture and paedophile hysteria generated by politicians and the press we have now reached a situation where we can no longer tell the wood from the trees. It is not only ageing celebrities and rock stars who need to be frightened. NO MAN IS SAFE ANYMORE.
- GildasTheMonk
August 26, 2015 at 12:45 pm -
Well said!
- Don Cox
August 26, 2015 at 2:27 pm -
“I hope no further action is taken by the police”
I hope they do take further action, as suggested by Proctor. Especially charging the “Nick” character with wasting police time. He could then also be sued by those he has accused or their relatives.
- Cloudberry
August 26, 2015 at 3:55 pm -
“Our compensation laws badly need to be changed so that any compensation goes towards counselling costs”
That sounds a good idea as long as recovered memory counsellors aren’t involved. They might have a vested interest in encouraging these claims.- Ho Hum
August 26, 2015 at 6:46 pm -
Maybe they could think about how to get themselves ’embedded’ into whatever framework is developed?
I suppose that there might be quite a few people and organisations that they could approach and try their luck in asking how that might be done. They could, for instance, start here……
…………but of course, they could be completely wrong and I’m sure that they would be ever so promptly directed to another pathway, or maybe even told to push off, if their speculatively putting 2+2 together didn’t actually add up to a tandem
- Ho Hum
- Eric Hardcastle
August 27, 2015 at 4:12 am -
I would say there has been a concerted conspiracy here either by deliberate action or via bandwagon jumpers. Exaro’s role must be examined carefully. They have provided a “credible” platform for numerous rumours and false claims & given them legitimacy.
As exampled how their claims are filtered out to other media. The Australian “60 Minutes” sourced entirely from Exaro was a good example.
Every person in it was just a second / third hand “witness” and it was all the net rumours weaved into a credible platform. Only one alleged victim was interviewed and she made the usual SRA influenced claims of MPs, police etc abusing children in a (freezing ?) forest. I note she now has stared a new “charity”.Unnoticed by the fanatics is that the Australian “60 Minutes” is regarded as gutter tabloid trash nonsense with nil credibility and has nil influence on anyone except : whilst the Oz community ignored ’60 Minutes’ it gave the SRA etc promoters a new boost and has now been sold to German TV and so on.
Why is the London businessman funding Exaro to such an extent? How can a costly website with paid journalists be credible when it’s entire platform is based on promoting child abuse claims and therefore must by it’s very nature, be more & more sensational no matter what the truth is?
- Cloudberry
- GildasTheMonk
- DiamondHead
August 26, 2015 at 1:02 pm -
Gee thanx, intelligent Gildas Ole Monk (black humour BIG Fan.)
C U in the BIG Vatican clear out?
- Bandini
August 26, 2015 at 4:23 pm -
Proctor’s emphatic denial of ever having been at certain locations could be blown out of the water by any of those many ex-coppers who were previously too scared to ‘reveal all’ – the Official Secrets Act made them tremble at the knees (and fearful for their pensions, which somehow trumped children being abused/murdered).
Now that that threat has been lifted, the expected (by some) avalanche of bean-spillers has been noticable by its absence. Weren’t they all on stakeouts of these venues?!? Or they knew someone who was, they previously anonymously claimed in internet-forums…Come out, come out, wherever you are!
- Bandini
August 26, 2015 at 4:30 pm -
* Reply to Mrs Grimble’s post of August 26, 2015 at 11:26 am. Some gremlins won’t let me answer directly beneath *
The recording was supposedly handed over to the police at the time & subsequently vanished. (The family had been provided with recording-equipment in case of a ransom demand being made).
Exagaro’s Mark Watts – or ‘Herr Flick’ as Rabbitaway on Twitter so accurately labelled him! – has already poured cold water over this particular Elm-myth:
https://annaraccoon.com/2015/06/09/if-you-go-down-to-the-woods-tonight/#comment-115199 - Outlaw
August 26, 2015 at 9:02 pm -
Wasn’t it ‘Spanking’ or such-like that were involved with the earlier Proctor allegations in the 1980’s?
Nothing appeared to emerge then about multiple stabbings and presenting (alleged) murder witnesses with penknives as souvenirs.
That would have been a perfect opportunity, striking when ‘the iron was hot’ (no pun intended) and all that.
Mssr Hencke must have been busy elsewhere plotting to fit up another MP for Al Fayed, to be interested in Harvey Proctor perhaps?
- scorp
August 31, 2015 at 3:24 am -
In my opinion, the idea that Proctor was in a network with Heath is not very probable.
The idea that a victim/survivor of abuse committed by that network was gifted a pen-knife by a member of the network, and held onto the item for close to 30 years, and then furnished it to the rozzers, is, in my opinion, improbable at best.
- scorp
- scorp
August 31, 2015 at 2:55 am -
There’s something really odd about the Exaro operation. I don’t precisely know what it is but it seems to me that their stuff doesn’t pass the smell test.
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