No Sex Please, We're British Neighbours.
Those souls who take the Bible to bed with them, have long pondered the conundrum of where precisely did Cain’s wife appear from? Logically (and who else but I would even dare to put logic and the Bible in the same sentence?) she had to be from the same loins as him, or at least from the ‘same neighbourhood’ as they say.
The Daily Mail has been fretting over the issue in their curiously convoluted article of ‘Britain’s most successful sperm donor‘. ‘Why’, they shriek with horror, ‘Doctors warn of a health time-bomb of siblings being born within 50 miles of each other’.
Surely before ‘Kieran and Jason’ were able to fly to Magaluf for the week-end, or sign up to the ‘SinglesAroundMe‘ app that extended their range to 100 miles, then fathering siblings within a 50 mile radius of your local pub must have been a regular occurrence over the past 2,000 odd years?
It is barely a year since the Mail was lauding ‘virile’ Dutchman Ed Houban for fathering 98 children in 12 years. Ed has a website too. Now they have taken to the smelling salts because because Declan Rooney has allegedly fathered 44.
‘The murky world of unregulated sperm donation’..they continue…’unregulated sperm donation’ – what we used to call casual sex…but when a turkey baster jumps into the picture, it changes everything.
‘Women could end up pressurised into having sex’…nooo! You mean when they find out that a nasty man is involved getting that Turkey baster ready for action, they might fall victim to the notion of leaping on a penis as a means of getting pregnant – what a ghastly thought! Sister, rise up in horror!
Fear not. The Mail has leapt into action, unmasking the anonymous donor, and forcing him to take his web site down. (Not for long! He’s back in business).
Declan Rooney set up his anonymous site last March, offering to visit women in their homes or hotel within a 50-mile radius of his Middlesbrough home and give them a sample of his sperm in a specimen pot for them to inseminate themselves.
[…] ‘I am willing to help either through artificial insemination or naturally with no strings attached…’
Well, I’m sure he is, as are a lot of other lads doing their bit to inseminate ladies within a 50 mile radius of their home – it’s a full time job for some of them – but they don’t get treated to a Daily Mail demonisation.
Mr Rooney was photographed on the front page of the Daily Mail in 1993 leaving court smirking after he was found guilty of causing £60,000 of graffiti damage. He was given a suspended sentence and served seven months in a young offenders’ institution while waiting to stand trial. As he stepped out of the dock he said: ‘My barrister’s a genius. I’m laughing. It’s a soft touch.’
Questioned on his criminal past last night, he said: ‘I don’t mention it to recipients, but if the subject comes up then I will talk about it.’
We can’t have criminals exchanging bodily fluids, can we now?
Not even when they are legally ‘man and man’. I’m not sure whether it is the lack of facility for conjugal visits or a health and safety ‘risk assessment’ that is responsible for the prison authorities stepping in to ensure no bodily fluids are exchanged in the latest tale of ‘approved romance with no turkey basters involved’.
Since Marc Goodwin, who will take Mikhail Gallatinov to be his lawful wedded husband some time this week in prison, is better known by his penchant for ‘savage, senseless homophobic attacks that resulted in the death’ of the last gay man he got up close and personal with, it is probably better that they don’t share a cell – but then on the other hand, his ‘future intended’, Mikhail, a delightful paedophile, strangled his last (of age) lover in a ‘cold-blooded, well-planned, callous, chilling and apparently motiveless killing’. This promises to be a wedding night ‘with attitude’ as they say in the bridal magazines.
Quite where all this fretting about the exchange of bodily fluids leaves the four women and one man selected to fly a one-way trip to Mars ‘with the intention of setting up a permanent self-supporting colony on Mars’ is unclear. I look forward to the Mail’s considered analysis. Will they use a Turkey baster; will the unfortunate male find himself lambasted for ‘unregulated sperm donation’; who’s going to put the bins out when he’s busy; who’s going to collect the bins; what if he turns out to be gay?
The man in the Moon might just die laughing.
- Chromatistes
February 26, 2015 at 9:22 am -
Are you trying to kill the Raccoonistas with laughter?
- Robert the Biker
February 26, 2015 at 9:38 am -
Now now Anna, be fair, the Mail is only trying to keep us from siring a generation of thick defectives who couldn’t be educated witha hundred yard run at it! The sort of people who sit on the couch all day thinking Jeremy Kyle and Big Brother are intellectual programs!
Oh, wait…….- AdrianS
February 26, 2015 at 11:53 am -
Try judge Rinder
- AdrianS
- JimmyGiro
February 26, 2015 at 9:39 am -
Sounds like the ‘z’-ark to Golgafrincham.
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 9:47 am -
To be terribly pedantic, shouldn’t that be ‘from’?
- Ho Hum
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 9:44 am -
Looks like he wrote a guide to good taste in sperm donating, if this priceless literary ovum is indeed his work. It has such a lovely ending……
‘And Finally
DO REALISE BEING A GOOD DONOR TAKES EFFORT, DISCRETION, UNDERSTANDING AND PATIENCE
http colon //www dot spermdonorupnorth dot com/good-sperm-donor-guide/
copyrightVivaSperm dot com and UpNorth’http://www.vivasperm.com/m/articles/view/Good-sperm-donor-guide
… although if you read the first admonition, you might think that the concept of irony was completely bypassed from travels along the educational path.
Oddly, it doesn’t mention the need for donor’s conversion from painting the town red, to merely a bit off white
Otherwise, once again one is left feeling that it was a real shame that those living in Arnos Grove around the end of 1948 hadn’t earlier been subject to a bit of regulated sperm donation.
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 9:53 am -
And, of course, there is an accompanying Good Recipient Guide.
Almost more standards than the media.
http://www.vivasperm.com/m/articles/view/Good-sperm-recipient-guide
- Frankie
February 28, 2015 at 6:58 pm -
Not many people could incorporate ‘good taste’ and ‘sperm donating’ in the same sentence without causing offence… Ewww!
- Ho Hum
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 9:44 am -
“Those souls who take the Bible to bed with them, have long pondered the conundrum of where precisely did Cain’s wife appear from”
Don’t have time to explain about Cain’s Missus (gives a whole new twist to the phrase ‘raising Cain’) but a better example of a biblical, friendly, neighbourhood, Sperm Donation by a PAEDOPHILE was Lot….that story has it all…
The book of the bible and a couple of pages in (Genesis 19 if we want to get technical):
“And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters. 31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth: 32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father. 35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. 36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. 37And the firstborn bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day. 38And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day”- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 9:56 am -
“….that story has it all…”
Just been pondering on what I said there and the story of Lot could keep the Daily Xenophobe in headlines for a week from REFUGEE DATE RAPE to PAEDOPHILE CELEB PREACHER ABUSED BOTH DAUGHTERS or even EVIL JIHAD GIRLS GROOMED FATHER.
- Robert the Biker
February 26, 2015 at 10:05 am -
LATEST!!! POLICE INTERVIEW LOT OVER SODOM ATTACK, PILLAR OF SALT STORY!
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 12:55 pm - Wigner’s Friend
February 26, 2015 at 3:59 pm -
Lives in a £20k cave on the lee side of the mount.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Robert the Biker
- Ed P
February 26, 2015 at 10:35 am -
Zoar or Phoar?
- Engineer
February 26, 2015 at 10:35 am -
“….and they made their father drink wine……and he percieved not when she lay down, nor when she arose..”
Totally blotto, but apparently no brewer’s droop? They weren’t using cheap plonk from Tesco, were they!
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 11:35 am -
“Totally blotto, but apparently no brewer’s droop? They weren’t using cheap plonk from Tesco, were they!”
Probably a bottle or two of Chateau Du Noah they had kicking around at the back of the tent. 9xGreat (I think) Granddaddy Noah had brewed a wine that was the Rohypnol of the antediluvian era..
“20And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. “
- Engineer
February 26, 2015 at 12:03 pm -
There’s some belting material for sermons in the Old Testament. No wonder church attendance is down; in my day the Vicar always picked the boring bits as starting point for his sermons.
Mind you, a sermon based on Genesis 19 verses 30-38 could give rise to some interesting discussions in the Vestry afterwards. Even worse for the Catholics. Sorting out what was a sin or not during confession could become a real headache…
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 1:26 pm
- Engineer
- The Blocked Dwarf
- windsock
February 26, 2015 at 11:56 am -
Is this the same Lot who features is Sodom and Gomorrah, who offers up his daughters to the populace so they don’t shag his guests, who happened to be angels? If so, I take it that this would be the prequel because Ruth got turned into a pillar of salt and the girls were still virgins.
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 12:13 pm -
Yep that’s him, ‘Lot’ as in Sodom and the salted wife…
- Robert the Biker
February 26, 2015 at 2:29 pm
- Robert the Biker
- The Blocked Dwarf
- The Blocked Dwarf
- windsock
February 26, 2015 at 9:51 am -
Perhaps authorities are hoping that by sharing a cell, the “happily” married couple might end up reducing the prison population (by two).
- Duncan Disorderly
February 26, 2015 at 11:20 am -
Sayeth one Mail reader: “They’ll be looking to adopt when they get out of prison, you could’nt make it up.”
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 11:44 am -
“Sayeth one Mail reader: “They’ll be looking to adopt when they get out of prison, you could’nt make it up.”
…only if neither of them are Vapers.
- windsock
February 26, 2015 at 11:50 am -
I’ll be surprised if they – or the marriage – would last that long.
- windsock
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Duncan Disorderly
- Ian B
February 26, 2015 at 10:05 am -
Also, I see the Savile circus is in full swing today. Apparently his brother has now been posthumously convicted as well.
- Peter Raite
February 26, 2015 at 12:04 pm -
A virtual drink goes to anyone who can find any acknowledgement in Kate Lampard’s review of the NHS hospital reports than quite a few of them either say the alleged incidents never happened, or if they did, that they couldn’t possibly have involved Savile!
- Mr Ecks
February 26, 2015 at 1:42 pm -
This is the stoke Mandeville “report” isn’t it?
Since Jimmy Savile was largely instrumental in getting said hospital open it seems a rotten reward for his efforts. The same fantasy bullshit is all there–“He climbed in a window and forced himself into her bed”.What -he’s Batman now is he?– as well as his “Record Breakers” attempt to be the World’s number 1 sexual predator.
Well as the late Roy Castle (perhaps he was lucky to die when he did–at least he hasn’t been accused–so far anyway) used to say “Dedication’s what you need”.
Sometimes despair seems the only option. Why did God fill the world with fuckwits?
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 26, 2015 at 2:08 pm -
” Why did God fill the world with fuckwits?”
It keeps the Mail Group’s share price solid and MPs in the HoC…part time anyways.
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 2:39 pm -
Just finished reading the main and supplementary reports – albeit with selective surface skimming on the ‘organisational blurb / management speak’ parts
Basically, you can summarise it as:
1 – He was a letch. That’s fairly universally acknowledged, and matches what he wrote about himself
2 – The reports’ authors acknowledge that in the relative standards of the time, open lechery in the workplace, or promiscuous sexual conduct between employees, wasn’t all that unusual. Nor did it necessarily engender the sort of level of complaint, or resultant action, that it might today. It was just something that individuals dealt with on a personal basis, probably by their being a bit more robust
3 – JS did seem to get away with behaviour and practice that others might not have – eg girlfriends in his room – which would certainly not have been tolerated of others. Cut too much slack by the management, it would seem.
4 – A lot of the complaints now made come from staff and visitors, and fall into the adult lechery category
5 – None, or almost none – can’t be absolutely certain I got every reference – of the contemporary witnesses inteviewed / quoted said that they had any inkling of his misbehaving sexually with patients. Few, maybe only one patient, is recorded as having made a complaint that went to anywhere in the NHS management line, and those involved in that seem to be deceased
6 – No-one here, ie in these reports, is going to dispute what the complainants, patients or staff, are saying, either directly or even between the lines, as seemed to be the case in some of the earlier tranche of reports. All the consequent analysis of modus operandi etc is based on what is being said is true, irrespecxtive of whether or not the complaint detail is clear and specific, or not
7 – The authors are particularly careful to note that they are being careful of vulnerable victims. I guess that you’ll have to make up your own minds from the recorded detail as to what that might mean
8 – JS’ nose seemed put right out of joint around about the time NHS Trusts were formed, and PFI schemes were proposed. Given some of Moor Larkins blog posts on his politics, it’s possible he may have seen those measures as moving the NHS from the public to the private sector and disapproved – as well as perhaps reducing the influence, and the apparently proprietorial vision, he had. Anyway, there was a bit of falling out where both sides seemed to take potshots at each other. The NHS side slagged him off to the Charities Commission on his handling of Charity monies, but interestingly the report points out that, on the whole, there were no proven major irregularitiesThe only thing left which really bothers me about this is, if JS was the voracious sexual predator that he is made out to be, why are there not many many more complaints, not in respect of a lot of tawdry shagging of staff, but from those who were patients , of which there were ‘000s over the period? And why, even allowing for latter day self preservation, can’t anyone credible be found to stand up and say that something was known about abuse of patients at the time? That really doesn’t make any sense.
- Engineer
February 26, 2015 at 3:47 pm -
BBC Radio 4 lunchtime news reported that Salive had been (allegedly – my word) responsible for a string of sexual misdemeanours including five rapes. Quite how someone surrounded by an entourage is supposed to perpetrate one rape (which involves inserting part of one person’s anatomy into part of someone else’s, with both parties at least partially unclothed, so is hardly a quick activity) in a fairly public environment without the victim complaining, let alone five rapes, is stretching credibility somewhat.
I could quite accept that Savile might well have been something of a letch, and notquite everybody’s ‘cup of tea’. He may even have been responsible for the odd inappropriate touching (bearing in mind that one person’s friendly pat on the leg is another person’s inappropriate touch); but multiple rape and multiple sexual assaults over a prolonged period without any charges being brought beggars belief, even in the different standards of the ’70s and ’80s.
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 4:00 pm -
You should read all the complaints, those in the main report and the 4 in the supplementary.
There’s a difficult balance to be drawn.
Those who wrote the reports will have met a lot of the complainants, which can help with credibility issues in a way we can’t experience. Even if they didn’t/don’t? believe in mass multiples, they are left with the other side of the question which is ‘Is every one of them a deluded fantasist, or lying’?
On the balance of probabilities, in their position, you might well think not…..
But on the other hand, a whole heap of otherwise probably sane people were convinced as recently as the ’90s about the presence of multiple instances of satanic child abuse, not to even start on the ‘reflex anal dilation’ panic.
Nothing is certain
- AdrianS
February 26, 2015 at 9:42 pm -
Now then, now then as it happens…….
- Ian B
February 27, 2015 at 2:20 am -
A couple of points; first the minor one. People are much less good at guessing whether another person is lying than we think we are. Some people are extremely good liars; and many fantasists really do believe their fantasy, and thus aren’t even lying anyway. When horrible stories are being told, we are also reluctant to be sceptical. “Credibility” in this sense comes down to how one is emotionally affected by the speaker and it is terribly unreliable. If the listener is also a “believer”… well.
The second point comes down to probability. Humans are notoriously bad with probability and prone to many well known fallacies. And one of them is in play here. Let us suppose that, in the general population, the number of people who will lie/fantasise about abuse is 1 in 10,000. This is a very tiny proportion of the people you will meet. The fallacy comes here- we wrongly convert this into a belief that the probability that a complainant is a fantasist is 1 in 10,000. We then compound the error by concluding that the probability of two complainants being fantasists is 1 in 10,000×10,000 (1 in 100 million) and so on; thus seeming that the idea that even two, let alone many, complainants are all fantastists is too small a likelihood to consider.
But this is the error; the probability calculation only applies if you pick two people at random from the general population and calculate whether those two partiuclar people are fantasists- the probability is in indeed 1/100M that you picked two fantastists out of the phone book. It is not the probability that two people who have come forward are fantasists (most simply, since by their nature they will make false claims). But this fallacy, informally applied, is why “conviction by volume” works so well for the prosecution. In the simplest case, if 1 in 1 million of the population are prone to believe or lie that they were raped by Jimmy Savile, that’s 60 people; most or all of whom will come forward, even though the probability that 60 people that you select are all fantasists is the unimaginably microscopic number of 1 in (1 million to the power of 60) which is of course correct- the chance you could pick at random all 60 people in the country just picking random names from the phone book is remote indeed.
- Ho Hum
February 27, 2015 at 8:54 am -
Sure. But you also have to apply the same principle to those who self select to work, or volunteer, over a range of care, and similar, environments, where scope may exist for any bad eggs to indulge themselves. I can also assure you, from practical experience, that even raising a general concern about the possibility that there is scope for unhealthy groupings of such to propagate, with the risk that untoward activity may be perpetrated by those whom others can only see as ‘star employees’, can bring down wrath upon your own head. That one such, years later, did jail time certainly doesn’t bring any self satisfaction.
Unthinking disbelief can be every bit as risky as unthinking belief. That’s one of the reasons why the Landlady’s blog makes for a good place to go, in that the overly credulous don’t have a monopoly of the discourse, and that all shades of heresy are tolerated without the perpetrators being burnt at the stake for what they might consider to be of some consequence. Maybe just roasted a wee bit on the keyboard, but that’s fine
My particular contempt is really reserved for the media, its bias, lack of balance and willingness to deceive the general population – I can’t think of any better way of putting that – in pursuit of its own agendas; the individual and organisational SJWs who will use anything they can, irrespective of the damage that may be done to individuals, to promote and empower their own ‘isms’; the politicians who will use scare tactics, and the fear of fear itself, to impose measures of misery on any number of good people when introducing useless laws and procedures purporting to deal with the small number of the bad, as fearful for their own image and the desire to be shown to be waving a bigger willie than their political opponents; lastly, but not least, the lawyers and the emergent leeches that slither across our paths, who will so readily jump on whatever bandwagon rolls by in the pursuit of fame, fortune and filthy lucre.
And thanks for the opportunity to get ‘Rant of the Day’ out of my system so early
- Ian B
February 27, 2015 at 9:51 am -
Yes, but that’s not the calculation I was addressing. I was addressing the issue of corroboration by volume. On the specific question of whether Savile was a premeditated paedophile (er, omniphile apparently) who used charity work as a front to gain access to victims, there isn’t a probability involved; either he was or he wasn’t.
- Mr Ecks
February 27, 2015 at 1:27 pm -
Don’t forget that –I think the figure is –2 out of every 100 human beings is born a psychopath. Who would be very happy to pursue 1000s in compensation for telling a few lies and turning on the waterworks behind a screen in court. Without any concern that some poor sods life gets ruined. What does that matter to a psychopath?. No one will ever even know their identity outside of the police/CPS. This alone bumps the numbers up far beyond those of fantasists/celeb freaks alone.
- Ian B
February 27, 2015 at 2:11 pm -
Ecks- I was being deliberately very cautious with the hypothetical example. The actual number of people willing to ruin others for their own benefit is as you say apparently much higher. You have to add to that the large number of genuine people who have been convinced they are victims by “survivor therapists”.
- Ian B
- Mr Ecks
- Ian B
- Ho Hum
- AdrianS
- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 4:02 pm -
I would think if a 12 year old, presumably a virgin, would be in a lot of pain and bleeding after being raped. How would this go unnoticed and unreported? But we are not supposed to ask awkward questions that might undermine the story. I couldn’t stand him and think he was an unpleasant character who probably did behave in a way that made some uncomfortable but I simply don’t believe all the nonsense when we know at least some of it is untrue.
- Ho Hum
- Giles2008
February 27, 2015 at 4:06 am -
I notice that this article about JS in schools was posted further down the BBC website than the SM Report.
Seems to have been “despite “credible” informants, none of the 14 separate investigations had found sufficient evidence of abuse”.
So this man who spent every waking hour abusing all and sundry ….
…On these 14 occasions actually didnt!!
- Giles2008
February 27, 2015 at 4:07 am
- Giles2008
- Engineer
- Michael M
February 26, 2015 at 5:01 pm -
Why should he need to come through the window if he had unrestricted access? Someone had removed the garlic!
- The Blocked Dwarf
- The Vatman Cometh
February 26, 2015 at 2:27 pm -
Possibly someone here can illuminate me with regards to the Stoke Mandeville report – the news reports tell us there were more than 60 victims (63 if I recall) but the report itself only mentions interviewing 37. So where did the other 26 come from and, if they weren’t interviewed, how can their “evidence” form part of the report ? In addition, the report states that there were no patient, staff or visitor records for them to corroborate the allegations against (they’d all been destroyed over time); again, how on earth can the allegations possibly be taken seriously with little or no supporting evidence ! Anyone would think the government had just announced a £40 million pot with which to compensate the “survivors” of Jumping Jimmy …..
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 2:40 pm -
Some only provided written details
- Ho Hum
- Peter Raite
- Ed P
February 26, 2015 at 10:39 am -
Four women & one man suggest the Mail headline, “Mormons or Muslims for Mars Multiplication”
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 10:47 am -
* Mr Rooney was photographed on the front page of the Daily Mail in 1993 leaving court smirking after he was found guilty of causing £60,000 of graffiti damage. He was given a suspended sentence and served seven months in a young offenders’ institution while waiting to stand trial. *
About time they exposed that Banksy geezer……
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 10:58 am -
Just a point on the Breeding Programme. I was listening to a radio interview a couple of months ago with a Sperm Donor, and he was excitedly explaining how he had bred on behalf of a gay couple, a lesbian couple and a straight couple. He himself classed himself as gay. But this got me to wondering if the Gay by Genes or Gay by Nature conundrum has been resolved or not. My understanding of the gays gaining the protection of Hate Crime legislation was on the basis that just as black person couldn’t help but be black, or a disabled person couldn’t avoid being disabled then a gay person couldn’t help being gay. Thus differentiating against them was morally wrong.
However, listening to this guy happily explaining how he was passing his gay genes on to all and sundry raised the question in my mind as to whether a potential parent has the right to know if their child has a pretty high chance of turning out to be gay too. Anyone got any answers?
- windsock
February 26, 2015 at 11:49 am -
It is my understanding that certain genes are activated by the environment into which the children are born. There have been studies to show that children brought up by gay/lesbian parents do not turn out to be gay disproportionally to the rest of the population. Also, genes are inherited from both parents. What is there to say that the mother’s genes for heterosexuality may not be the ones activated (or dominant). And finally, I was born to heterosexual parents and so were most others of my generation, but I’m gay. Where did we get our gay genes from (I would suggest from either parent and that nurture/environment activated them, or something in one set of genes interacted with something from the other set).
I think it would be interesting to follow the progress of these children.
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 12:05 pm -
Can’t be done if you don’t know in the first place.
I’m guessing folk have the right to know if they’re copping sperm from a black geezer.- windsock
February 26, 2015 at 1:20 pm -
Fair enough. There’s also an argument presented by some that homosexuality increases as population pressures on resources increase. Well, looks like we’ve won the Darwin Award if that’s true.
Your 2nd point: are they informed?
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 2:46 pm -
Basic profiles only provide information on race, ethnicity, eye colour, hair colour, height, weight, blood type and usually profession/education.
http://dk.cryosinternational.com/donor-sperm/the-donors/
Evidence suggests that single women and same sex couples in particular prefer Non-anonymous sperm donors, while heterosexual couples seem to prefer Anonymous sperm donors in order to protect the man’s integrity as the father and thus their own family identity. But this is not always the case. Some heterosexual couples choose a Non-anonymous sperm donor precisely because they plan to inform the child of its origins and therefore want to ensure the possibility of future contact with the donor. Conversely, many single mothers choose an Anonymous sperm donor because they plan to find a partner who can more easily take on the role of father and adopt the child when there is less focus on the existence of a sperm donor. The choice is both highly individual and complex.- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 2:56 pm -
You can just see it, in 10 years time, in the playground….
“My dad’s better than your dad! He’s Anonymous! He’s got his own infantile – or sumfin’ like that – Twitter account. Just last week he posted that infanticide should now be legalised” (Ed; No, that’s not shome mistake)
- Ho Hum
- Moor Larkin
- windsock
- Moor Larkin
- windsock
- AdrianS
February 26, 2015 at 12:34 pm -
Perhaps they should have a “Lucky Dip” on sperm donation
- Engineer
February 26, 2015 at 1:19 pm -
It’s called “a club 18-30 holiday”.
- Justin
February 26, 2015 at 1:32 pm -
“Lucky Dip” – for the recipient or the donor?
- Engineer
- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 3:02 pm -
After watching the news today it is going to be very hard to ever convince the General public that JS was not guilty of a lot of the accusations. We know it started with lies but they are now firmly embedded in the public mind. Just sit back and watch the NHS and BBC pay out our money in dubious, unprovan claims. It is very disheartening, I never liked him but it seems very unfair.
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 3:25 pm -
Nothing in this farrago is about truth any more. It’s about damage limitation and doing deals to minimise cost.
Keep it from expanding to engulf other parts of the organisations involved. Throw in a few scapegoats to help – the boys on . Gold line the lawyers underpants, and copper-bottom those of the politicians. Maybe, if they’re lucky, a bit of cash thrown in for claimants too, just as long as they form an orderly line and don’t outrageously overdo things.
And never mind tomorrow’s resultant other witch hunts – or the bottom feeders that will live off them. They’re problems for someone else, and their kids, not me and mine.
Stop this happening again? Oh yeah, that’s a good idea. Easy peasy! Here’s another new bunch of laws. See, we’ve made you all criminals now…..
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 3:27 pm -
Oops. That should have read;
‘Throw in a few scapegoats to help – the boys in blue can plant some more covering foliage’
- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 3:34 pm -
You sre probably correct and it is all very depressing, shame about the old celebrities thrown to the wolves with ruined lives. I suppose they are just collateral damage.
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 3:39 pm -
So far as I can see, and I’ve not had time to look far; there are two women who worked intimately with Jimmy the S at Mandeville and both are insisting that you can say what you like, but they never saw it and never heard of it. Two women of courage plainly.
The report waffles long and hard but again simply believes; there is no evidence. The only people convinced are the lawyers and the mass media, and guess who I don’t believe.
- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 3:45 pm -
Trouble is no one will listen to them, doesn’t fit their narrative but I admire their bravery. I still can’t get over the believing anything said with no proof at all. I wonder when this will be applied to other things and people will be convicted on the unsupported word of victims, who knows where it will end?.
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 3:52 pm -
It’s happening every month in Historical Abuse cases. Most of them we never even hear about because they are not famous. Sometimes I wonder if this whole hysteria has been constructed to maintain the belief of the people that the justice system hasn’t gone completely mad years before, and has been locking innocent folk up for years and years.
In a spartan special-visits room at Wakefield prison, Roy Shuttleworth leans across the bolted-down table and displays his most treasured possessions: letters and cards from his wife, Irene. ‘My darling, innocent Roy,’ one begins, ‘I am as much in love with you as the day we met nearly 40 years ago. My only wish is to spend what life we have left together. I only hope nothing happens to either one of us, because I know the other will die of a broken heart.’
As he speaks of his shattered family, he makes no attempt to hide his grief. His children, Roy junior and Suzanne, cross the Pennines from Cheshire to visit him twice a month. Now 67, the pale, broken man they find is a ghost of the jolly paterfamilias they see in family photos. This former champion swimmer, mining foreman and long-distance truck driver is serving a 10-year sentence for crimes deemed by some to be worse than murder – 11 counts of sexual assault and buggery against boys once in his care.
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2000/nov/26/socialcare.childrensservices- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 4:16 pm -
That is very disturbing reading, do you know what happened with the appeal?
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 4:18 pm -
He was eventually released and died not long after as I recall, without checking.
- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 4:23 pm -
How very sad, just listening to Iain Dale on LBC on this subject. Not even a tiny doubt allowed and so far all the callers believe implicitly in JS guilt.
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 4:28 pm -
If LBC operate anything like the Mail & the Guardian comment is free policy, I’m not surprised…
- Carol42
- Moor Larkin
- IlovetheBBC
February 27, 2015 at 10:28 pm -
Oh lord that brought me almost to tears. Poor sod.
- Carol42
- Ian B
February 26, 2015 at 4:51 pm -
I find it all very depressing, though having followed this since I got interested in the 80s in the Satanic Abuse Panic, I’m not entirely surprised. There has been a concerted campaign by various interest groups to bring our society to this point. And once a bandwagon like this is rolling, it’s very hard to stop. I have no respect left for authority, the “justice” system or the press.
- Moor Larkin
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 3:47 pm -
Yes. They don’t quote the PAs much do they?
‘and the mass media, and guess who I don’t believe’.
Sir J would not have been too impressed with your lack of faith, would he? LOL
ex quote from p102, para 9.180
‘It became something that was in the national newspapers, and the day after he backed off he went to the press and he held up his hands with a banner saying, ‘We won’, and that was the headline. I went and challenged him about it, and I said, Jimmy, you know that’s not true, and he said, it doesn’t matter whether it’s true or not, if it’s printed in the newspapers it’s what people will believe. So he was quite prepared to make the story up if he needed to, to further his own position
- Mudplugger
February 26, 2015 at 3:57 pm -
The only thing the lawyers are convinced about is that there’s money to be made here. They don’t need to believe the case, just pursue it to pay-out time, bank the cheques, then move on to the next Community Chest opportunity – it probably says something like that in Slater & Gordon’s covert corporate mission statement.
- Carol42
- Moor Larkin
- Carol42
- Ho Hum
February 26, 2015 at 11:24 pm -
Just watched the Beeb coverage. See? I told you so! Criminals of the world, line up with your children. Mandatory Reporting of all suspicions. Let’s go for it!
At my school, there was a Dux, whose name was painted, each year, in gold, on the Board of Honour. And there was a Dunce. He didn’t get his name in lights, but everyone knew who was The Contender. The Dux was very clever. But even the Dunce could tell you that if the Dux got their way on some of his ever so clever ideas, such as the one above, the people who would benefit most would be the lawyers who could then make claims on behalf of huge numbers who stood to be falsely accused.
Hell may be coming soon. The wheels on the handcart are being oiled as we write. So which of the political parties will succumb to the temptation to push it?
- Ho Hum
- Bandini
February 26, 2015 at 3:58 pm -
Flicking through the Stoke Mandeville report… Victim 29, adult member of staff, voluntarily & repeatedly had sex with him & yet retains her ‘victim’ status.
Victim 44, 24 years old, should have been visiting her poor husband (a broken neck) but: “One day he took Victim 44 up to his office where he very quickly “made a move” and she was in such a state of shock she ended up having sex with Savile. It happened very quickly and it was so unexpected that she did not stop what was happening. Victim 44 does not claim that Savile raped her…” Again, in what way could she be labeled a ‘victim’? Her husband on the other hand…
Words seem to be having their meaning eroded. How on earth can the public be persuaded that a ‘victim’ was not, in fact, a victim, when the word itself no longer signifies anything?
Meanwhile, it’s hard not to think of the Rutger Hauer film ‘The Hitcher’ reading the latest installment from Exaro (multiple graves known about since August, one wonders why they haven’t hired a ground penetrating radar to test these easily verifiable claims). The Mirror, whilst recycling the ‘eyeball jewellry’ rubbish, at least raises a smile with this preposterous nonsense:
“Another witness remembers Savile taking the body of a four-year-old child to the mortuary in a pram one night in the 1970s.
A pram had to be used as the child was too big for the trolley usually used for children and too small for the one normally used for adults.”- Mr Ecks
February 26, 2015 at 10:30 pm -
That of course assumes that their accounts are even true. Never mind was it voluntary or not–did it ever happen is the first question. After this distance in time all we have is their entirely unsupported word.
It seems that the bluebottles are determined to “avenge” their humiliation by sticking some bullshit on Cliff Richard. The trouble is that–for a sleb–there are so many psychopaths,attention-seekers and celebrity freaks out there that –if their unsupported accusations are enough –then no one can escape. Unless the CPS let thro’ something that can still be checked–like the nutter who said she was warned about “Ken Barlow” in 1968 by “Mike Baldwin”–the actor having no connection with the show until 7 years later–which destroyed her in court.
- Mr Ecks
- Ho Hum
- GildasTheMonk
February 26, 2015 at 4:38 pm -
Such a great photo!
- Chris
February 26, 2015 at 5:18 pm -
I’m just realising that I too am a ‘victim’ and a ‘survivor’ – exposure to all this “abuse” hysteria has rendered me unwilling to engage in relations with members of the opposite sex in case I cause the delicate princesses untold trauma – so would I be able to claim compo against the ghastly Karen Danczuk for hammering the final nail in that coffin and finally ‘curing me ‘ of the curse of male sexuality?
And can anyone recommend a good monastery?
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 5:43 pm -
Looks like you’re destined for a different filthy habit…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_abuse_scandal_in_the_English_Benedictine_Congregation
- Moor Larkin
- Ms Mildred
February 27, 2015 at 9:57 am -
@Carol 42….I listened in the morning, for a while, to the presenter between 10 and 1pm on LBC. I got the impression that if you were allowed to go through in support of JS….if? You would smothered by being harangued and talked over and given short shrift. Just a boring procession of, mostly men, believing all they hear and read. Too wary to even disagree in the slightest in case they get the hair drier treatment. So that is free speech. OK if you toe the politically correct line to a guy who says ‘no such thing as PC’. In the evening they were gloating about their ‘car crash’ interviews. How to trip up politicians and others and reveal what ‘wallies’ they all are. A form of bullying which is excruciating to listen to. They are in their own medium, ready with a trip up question, and a triumphant follow up. They move in for the kill. This ratchets up our disrespect for the police, the judiciary, politicians and allows us more room to sneer at celebs. Then we find how some journos work with phone tapping in a royalty programme last night. Just reading Les Dawson asking plaintively why we build people up only to knock them down?. Why indeed?
- Carol42
February 27, 2015 at 2:30 pm -
I never listen between 10 and 1 it’s the worst part but Iain Dale 4 – 8 is ok and Nick Ferrari 7 – 10 is always entertaining. I don’t know what it is like at night though but avoid that 10 – 1 slot, it’s awful. I will never get over the vast waste of money and resources wasted on this and the ridiculous prison sentences, they will have to set up a geriatric wing. I despair.
- Carol42
- Upton North
February 27, 2015 at 10:15 am -
As expected the Mail on Sunday is full of so many deliberate inaccuracies
1. About one third of successes are within a 50 mile radius, about third are 50-100 mile and then another third are 100+ miles including Scotland, and the USA!
2. I have taken much more pre-cautions than fertility clinics to prevent siblings unknowingly meet.
3. “or naturally with no strings attached” was a cut n paste error (not my copy) it was made as clear as day that donations were for AI only.
4. I was never given a suspended sentence (did they exist in 1993?) and I didn’t serve any time….also the conviction was long sent so should the Daily Mail of brought it up?- Ho Hum
February 27, 2015 at 10:57 am -
Yeah. Never Knowingly Right, are they?
BTW, just in case it fits into your longer term business planning, I don’t think www dot spermsreunited dot com is in use. You might want to get that while you can. A sort of post-caution exercise, perhaps?
- Ho Hum
- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 4:36 pm -
Just had a long term friend of JS on, he said he had never seen anything untoward and that, contrary to reporting, he never saw any sign that children were afraid of him. Added that if staff or management did know they should have dealt with it. He accepted the report but didn’t seem too convinced from his own knowledge. Iain Dale is pretty fair I have found but I expect they have to assume the report is true, like the satanic abuse rubbish it might be a long time before anything like the truth comes out. LBC is ok, not usually sensational at all like the press.
- Moor Larkin
February 26, 2015 at 5:44 pm -
Good on ’em…
- Carol42
February 26, 2015 at 6:18 pm -
They did have one dissenter on who said many of the claims were from people who were adults at the time and he could see no reason why they didn’t report it and that most of the complaints were pretty trivial and common at the time. Found it hard to believe that nurses would stand by if they saw children being abused in any way.
- corevalue
February 27, 2015 at 3:10 pm -
I wonder when mandatory reporting is required by law, how these nurses will fare when a future abuse scandal arises. They too will be criminalised, for failing to report (that which they never knew about, because it never happened).
- Moor Larkin
February 27, 2015 at 3:35 pm -
Slam goes the cell door.
Dunk goes the head in the slops bucket. - Ho Hum
February 27, 2015 at 11:37 pm -
Only the lawyers will win.
Say one for the complainant, one for the CPS, but goodness knows how many for the multiple defendants.
- Ho Hum
February 27, 2015 at 11:37 pm
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