Tuff on Rape, Tuff on the Consequences of Rape.
I have never stumbled drunkenly into the hotel room of a Premiership footballer in the early hours of the morning to listen to his collection of ‘Changed Direction’ CDs.
I have never wandered the streets of Newcastle at 2am, dressed only in the remnants of my Ibiza ‘ravewear’ and asked an unlicensed taxi to take me home free of charge because I’ve lost my purse.
I have never agreed to go home with, and share a bed with, a near stranger who happened to be sitting next to me on the train when I had a row with my boyfriend.
I have never consumed three quarters of a bottle of vodka, come to that, nor shared a strange cigarette with a man I met on the train. When I do go out, I wear clothes appropriate for the time of year, and ensure in advance that I know how I am going to get home – and it wouldn’t rely on promises from my ‘fwend and her new boyfwend’ that she met yesterday.
Now, I’ve always put the above down as the reasons why I’ve never found myself ‘roasted’ between three of Manchester United’s strikers, nor lying in a ditch beside the last known sighting of an unlicensed taxi driver, nor floating upside down in a canal. Colour me old fashioned.
Ms Saunders, the Director of Prosecutions would no doubt be baffled that nothing untoward had happened to me, given that in my time, I had been a vulnerable under-age girl, a ‘child at Duncroft’, a teenage delinquent, a runaway, a homeless girl, and all manner of perfect candidate for the position of ‘Victim of the week’.
Ms Saunders, you see, holds to a view that the world is full of ‘predatory males’, who have ‘lairs’ to which you could be ‘lured’, who ‘cover their tracks’ by inviting you for a drink, or thanking you for your company on Facebook the following day. In Ms Saunders world, just standing up on your ‘hind legs’ at the bar and ordering a drink with three fellow priests to celebrate your decision to become celibate for life, can be turned into wolf-behavioural allegories, whereby they are disguising their scent or something.
I very nearly subscribed to the view that I simply wasn’t attractive enough to have attracted this predatory behaviour – but now that I am aware sex has nothing to do with physical attraction and is a manifestation of power; I have to face the fact that surrounded by predatory men, no one has ever wanted to hold power over me, not a single Tory politician, not one; it is depressing knowledge. Woe is I.
So I have turned my attention instead, to what can be done with the army of predatory males when Ms Saunders has managed to convict them, notwithstanding their efforts to put her off their scent, by marrying their victims, buying them breathtakingly expensive engagement rings, hiring Gondolas on the Venice canals (God help George Clooney – did you ever see such grooming in plain sight?) (And She a lawyer?).
There are, apparently, 15,000 rapists in Britain’s prisons already – if only 5% of rapists are convicted, a figure I understand Ms Saunders goes to bed at night mumbling to herself, then we need an extra 285,000 prison places urgently. Wandsworth is our largest prison, and that only holds 1,800 prisoners, so we are talking about 150 Wandsworth’s being built immediately.
The Labour Government aimed to achieve an overall net capacity of just over 96,000 by 2014, mainly through two major prison building programmes. We need treble that! They estimated costs at 1.2 Billion per 7,500 prisoners. That’s, er, well, 38 Billion give or take…oh, plus the 36,000 times 285,000 prisoners cost per year to keep them there.
Then what do we do with all these predatory males when they leave prison? We can’t see them ‘rewarded’ for their disgusting behaviour by returning to their previous occupation as Glasgow dustmen or Ipswich traffic wardens – think of the children they might come in contact with!
We shall have to build Rapist Colonies, as they have done in the good old US of A. On the lines of the old Leper colonies, they are built in the Florida marshland on land that is of no interest even to developers who provide you with a glass bottomed boat to see the site of your new home…we call them Welsh caravan parks.
They have to be sited further than 300 feet from any place that might be utilised by a child – so no nearby bus stops, shops, parks, schools or houses; residents have been known to creep out in the middle of the night with tape measures to ensure that this is adhered to. Ensuring that they do not come within 300 foot of a child or a woman obviously negates any chance of employment, so we will have to feed and clothe them for life…
There is a film premiered at the Sundance Film festival last week called ‘Pervert Park’ which basically ‘explores the unthinkable’ (quote) which turns out to mean sex offenders just over a mere 300 foot from your child…expect violent demonstrations at any cinema which dares to show it.
Following the linear progression of these statistics, I can foresee a time when there will no longer be a North/South divide, but a Rapist Colony/Survivor divide across the country.
I trust Ms Saunders has thought of the taxation burden she is putting on the women of this country. Never mind ‘who is going to put the bins out’ – who is going to empty them?
- FrankH
February 2, 2015 at 9:45 am -
Once all the rapists and potential rapists (aka men) are in prison or otherwise segregated from normal human beings (aka women) who’s going to father the next generation of paedophile bait? You obviously haven’t thought this through, have you?
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 2, 2015 at 9:55 am -
“I very nearly subscribed to the view that I simply wasn’t attractive enough to have attracted this predatory behaviour”
Having seen a photo of you in your younger days I find *that* to believe that. It is more likely you don’t have the ‘victim’ air about you, that ‘mark of cain’ , ‘#MOLESTME’ in big dayglo letters tattooed on your forehead. Any Sexual Predator worth his bromide can ‘sense’ or ‘scent’ whether or not a girl (or boy for that matter) is a suitable victim….that’s why they are ‘predators’, clue is in the name.
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 2, 2015 at 9:55 am -
*I find *that* hard to believe
- IlovetheBBC
February 2, 2015 at 10:16 am -
You are not alone Anna, it never happened to me either. Three of us did get ourselves into a potentially very dangerous situation while hitch hiking. We extricated ourselves honour intact, thanks to being gobby and forceful and one of our would-be molestors turning out to be a mensch. I then gave up hitching without a male companion as that seemed sensible. I must have been all of 16. Looking back at my youth, it wasn’t lack of attractiveness that made me safe but assertiveness and an ability to read people and situations. That ability only comes with practice, and that is very often what young people no longer get. They are segregated from non family adult males in social situations as kids, just as effectively as in many Middle Eastern countries.
I’m glad to say my teenager is also gobby and assertive and despite suffering from quite severe anxiety over some things, has an admirably cheeky and knowing approach to would-be online abusers since she was about 13. She can spot them, out them and alert other girls in 5 minutes flat.
It has however been instructive, while seeking help for her anxiety and the depression that followed, to note how many times she has been questioned about abuse. It’s an article of faith that such problems are rooted in abusive situations, either at home or not, and her flat denial never seemed to convince. Now, years later, they accept what a GP first told me – that puberty had screwed with her brain chemistry.- Lucozade
February 2, 2015 at 10:46 am -
Ilovethebbc,
Re: “It’s an article of faith that such problems are rooted in abusive situations, either at home or not, and her flat denial never seemed to convince. Now, years later, they accept what a GP first told me – that puberty had screwed with her brain chemistry”
I actually had the opposite problem – anytime I was upset about anything it was put down to ‘puberty’. Couldn’t possibly have been the unworkable situation my parents force me into, and they couldn’t possibly be asked, or heaven forbid expected to do something real and practical to help could they….
….I know now that if it hadn’t been for them and their attitude, I wouldn’t have faced the majority of those problems (which i’d never have chosen for myself or excepted if i’d had any option) in the first place and they didn’t have a clue….
- IlovetheBBC
February 2, 2015 at 11:01 pm -
I admit to being clueless when her problems first started but soon wised up. None of the family had any experience with it and it’s a steep learning curve. I realise of course that those trying to help do have to ask her about abuse. I just think they seemed to expect to find it.
- Lucozade
February 3, 2015 at 1:08 am -
IloveBBC,
Re: ‘I realise of course that those trying to help do have to ask her about abuse. I just think they seemed to expect to find it”
It’s probably gone too much the other way now, instead of just ‘puberty’, ‘hormomes’, ‘growing pains’ – give them some anti depressants – now they have to have been sexually abused. The reasons for depression and anxiety probably vary from person to person, these are only a couple of many other reason that have been known or thought to trigger it in some people….
- Lucozade
- IlovetheBBC
- Mrs Grimble
February 2, 2015 at 12:06 pm -
I had a stepfather who was an alcoholic gambling addict (I know now that this was due to PTSD from his wartime service, but that was unknown in the 60s/70s). pretty much every time I’ve revealed this to a friend, I get asked “Did he abuse you?” The true answer “He tried once or twice, but only when he was so drunk he couldn’t even stand up, so nothing happened” never seemed to satisfy them.
My first husband was convinced that all my problems down to being abused and not admitting it – that was just one of the many reasons he became my first husband!- Lucozade
February 2, 2015 at 10:16 pm -
Mrs Grimble,
There are many different types of abuse, other problems that can lead to depression can be be bullying, neglect, isolation. If someone, especially if they are young and therefore under the control and command of other people, comes to a councillor or doctor claiming to be depressed but not sure why then I think it is quite right that the doctor fishes around for possible reasons – without telling them those need to be the reasons. A lot of people (especially young people), possibly know full well what is upsetting them but either feel ashamed because they are encouraged to feel that anything going wrong in their life is always down to a fault in them – because they have total control over their life don’t they? – (the last people you should ever blame are your parents, the ones who are responsible for bringing you into the world and making most of your decisions on your behalf up to a certain age, they deserve ‘respect’ for bringing you into the world – no matter how clueless (or selfish) they are). So any problem that could be solved by them being ask to make changes that don’t directly benefit them could be off limits as we’re often convinced to blame ourself (for situations we would never have chosen for ourselves or excepted in a million years had we actually be allowed to choose ourselves). Bullying is another one, a lot of people might be ashamed to admit they are being bullied, as when someone is being bullied quite often any and every fault they have (never mind any faults the bullies themselves might have) is dredged up and used to make the recipient feel useless, inferior, and to amplify any faults they have to the exclusion of any good points resulting in the person feeling down, negative, ashamed, if the person is also isolated they might fear that everyone views them in this way and it’s understandable that they might be worried or ashamed to open up to a councillor. And yes, in some cases sexual abuse might be a reason, it’s not the first thing that i’d think about when there are so many more common pressures and unpleasant situations people, especially young people, are faced with, but it can be a possibility in some cases.
The bottom line for me is, while it may be the case with *some* people, I think it is very unfair to assume that most people just get ‘depressed’ for no reason, or just because of hormones or chemical imbalances in the brain – it would suit everybody (but the person going through the depression) to believe that in all, or most, cases – then it can be solved by dishing out pills and an easy diagnosis can be made, far easier than looking into the persons life for things that are wrong and giving advice or making any attempt at helping to change these things, especially if it means having to ask for help from mum and dad (not always mum and dad, just using and example here as they are often a huge factor in a lot of young peoples lives), who are way too busy, can’t be bothered, don’t want too etc….
Pain is usually a warning that something is wrong in my opinion, by asking questions, i’d hope a psychologist or councillor would just be trying to find out *what* the actual problem is so they can work on some coping strategies or a solution to it, rather than tell them, without actually knowing themselves, what the problem is….
- Lucozade
February 2, 2015 at 10:22 pm -
Mrs Grime,
Re: “pretty much every time I’ve revealed this to a friend, I get asked “Did he abuse you?” The true answer “He tried once or twice, but only when he was so drunk he couldn’t even stand up, so nothing happened” never seemed to satisfy them.
My first husband was convinced that all my problems down to being abused and not admitting it – that was just one of the many reasons he became my first husband”That’s a huge problem, but I suppose if anyone knows, you’ll know best where most of your problems stemmed from, they could be down to that, some could be down to that, some could be down to different things that happened entirely.
It’s not always clear cut, life can be complicated…. x x x
- Lucozade
- Lucozade
- John Galt
February 2, 2015 at 10:16 am -
The real problem with the likes of Ms. Saunders is that it ignores the myriad of reasons why women who haven’t been subjected to rape, but merely caught “in flagrante delicto” and used accusations of rape as a catch-all excuse for such things as going to bed with the wrong man or being caught by boyfriend / fiancée / husband, etc.
Ms. Saunders view on this is presumably that of most Rad Fems, that of “I believe her”, so irrational bias without consideration of the facts. Just what we need in the UK’s Prosecutrix in Chief.
The reason Ms. Saunders feels that rapists are “getting away with it” is that all too often UK juries are unwilling to convict men on the basis of accusation alone, particularly when the accused is a decent lad and the whole thing comes down to “he said / she said” misunderstanding or at best post-coital regret. In this I suspect that the UK jury system is doing a far better job than Ms. Saunders in protecting the law from accusations of disrepute.
- Lucozade
February 2, 2015 at 11:12 pm -
JohnGalt,
Well said.
- Lucozade
- Chris
February 2, 2015 at 10:20 am -
**Do Not Adjust Your Mind, There Is A Fault With Reality**
Starting to wonder if I’ve developed “trust issues” or just an inability to block out reality, even after a few drinks…. I go out and where I used to see women I now see chattering neon exclamation ‘warning’ signs.
But which ‘side’ is missing out?- Lucozade
February 2, 2015 at 11:16 pm -
Chris,
Re: “But which ‘side’ is missing out?”
Both sides, but there will come a time when nobody remembers any different so will think it is entirely normal, it might not feel right, but they won’t know why….
- Jacqui Thornton
February 3, 2015 at 12:20 am -
I was mulling this over a few days ago. Being of a certain age, I found myself remembering my Grandmothers regular supply of Mills and Boon. I was sure I could remember their popularity was in the female readers fascination with the masculine heroes, masterful and forceful in their seduction of young, yielding, inexperienced women.
Curious how these little gems of cheap, accessible female fantasy had fared in today’s PC climate, and if women still had a thirst for such thrills I did the obvious and turned to Google. Apparently they are as popular as ever, more so if you count their online e-books. They have 3,000,000 regular readers annually in the UK!
But how long before these poor 3,000,000 woman are shown the error of their ways in thinking anything to do with male seduction could possibly be desirable – let alone enjoyable? Not long, the Radical Feminists have sent in Julie Bindel who is knocking on the door alerting the world to everything that is wrong with poor old Mills and Boon. She claims that the genre promotes misogyny and the sexual submission of women to men and calls it misogynistic hate speech. Now I do not condone rape in any way, or indeed any kind of forced dominance of one individual over another, but 3,000,000 women a year in the UK are not being forced to buy these books. They are obviously getting something out of them.
Julie Bindel is a Lesbian. I have absolutely no problem with that, each to their own in my view. However, as a lesbian, she would be sexually attracted to other females, not males. What would she know of how such submission plays out in the desires of the the heterosexual female, how is she qualified to put herself forward as moral guardian of them and dictate what they should, and should not find sexually stimulating and trying to marginalise those whose sex life is enhanced by such material? If ANY heterosexual tried to rewrite the rulebook on how gay/lesbian desire works and what activities/fantasies they should or should not partake in, or indeed enjoy, I think the Gay community would be out in force.
To wipe out this genre of fiction is denying a huge portion of the female population something they desire. How long before Mills and Boon is relegated to under the counter? The way things are going it won’t be long before their readership of middle aged housewives are forced to smuggle them into house after dark in brown paper packaging!
- AdrianS
February 3, 2015 at 8:56 am -
That’s it each to their own. Trouble is that certain sections of society want to cause rift between men and women and make ordinary acts of flirting, and sex a form of male abuse.
Funny thing is usually those who shout the loudest about these things are the worst offenders behind closed doors.
Women get a lot of pleasure from reading romantic books it’s their escape and allows them to fantasise about meeting an ideal man, not one who spends his time watching football , fishing and riding motor cycles - Moor Larkin
February 3, 2015 at 9:35 am -
re. The Island of Lesbos
It’s long been observed that women are dressed by gay men and told how to behave by gay women. If Gok Wan were to to tell men how to behave I suspect the’d get the bum’s rush and a man dressed by any woman (gay or not) is generally viewed as hen-pecked. Vive la Difference? - Anne.
February 3, 2015 at 9:55 pm -
Ah Mills and Boon, think I still have a few copies of these around. I wondered how long it would take the rad fems to catch on. Now – 50 Shades of Grey, havent read that, the movie sounds a bit lame from what I have read about it.
- AdrianS
- Lucozade
- Alexander Baron
February 2, 2015 at 10:21 am -
My belief – not unique to me – is that rape is a vastly over-reported crime, a conclusion I have come to with some reluctance, but it is amazing how these lies have been peddled since at least the 1970s and probably much earlier than that.
Having said that, there are predatory males out there, but their victims are not “date rapes”, usually they end up in a ditch, or more often hospital.
- Peter Raite
February 2, 2015 at 1:28 pm -
It can probably be safely said that at one time rape – by the standards of the day – was very much under-reported. The problem we have now is that the standard has been ridiculously expanded to include interactions that would never have been counted as such, predicated on the idea that the male is inherently predatory and manipulative, and the female is inherently prone to being the victim of such behaviour.
Anna notes that by today’s stereotype, she should have been the victim many times over, yet was not. One can also through into the mix that many women today – as they always have – find themselves in situations in which other may choose to define them as a victim, yet they resist that label, not least because they are prepared to take responsibility for the consequences of their own actions. This reality is something the radical feminists rarely want to confront, that thousands of women will indulge in risky behaviour this weekend, many of them ending up havinng sexual encounters that they may retrospectively regret, yet will not seek to place all the blame on the other party (invariably but not always male, suually as incapable of “reasonable consent” themselves). Like the man who wakes up to realise how much the beer goggles deceived them the night before, they will dust them selves down, put it down to “one of those things,” and go on their way.
- Moor Larkin
February 2, 2015 at 1:43 pm -
I’m not exactly Bluebeard but only two women have ever told me they had been “raped”. One said her parents used to involve her in sex games as a child but it needs to be added that she was in bed with me and was supposed to be a lesbian. The other was someone who said she was raped by an Uncle as a teenager; she never seemed to be willing to sleep with me, saying I was “old-fashioned”; but she was fairly eager to spend time with married men who had a lot more money to spend that me… All other women I have known have never given me the slightest intimation that they had been raped or even seemed to fear it as any sort of clear or present danger as they went about their social and private lives.
- windsock
February 2, 2015 at 1:56 pm -
Just because those who didn’t tell you they had been, does not mean they had not been – maybe they are more likely to be the ones who feel shame or embarrassment than those who “disclose” as if it were nothing more than chit chat.
- windsock
- Moor Larkin
- Peter Raite
- Ed P
February 2, 2015 at 10:50 am -
As transporting criminals to Australia is no longer a viable option, send ’em to South Georgia. Dual benefit: they’re out of here and it’ll piss off Argentina.
- English Pensioner
February 2, 2015 at 10:54 am -
A young friend of mine, now in his second year at university considers the females to be far more predatory than the males. He’s engaged and is intending to get married when he finishes at university, and does not want to get involved with women, but this seems to make them even more determined. He’s reached the point that he avoids all females unless they are part of a larger social group in a public place.
- AdrianS
February 2, 2015 at 8:30 pm -
Does happen , having worked in offices since the 80s some of the women are as bad as the men. Some women bosses have wandering hands as well and others hate other women and are really nasty to them but nice to men.
- Mr Wray
February 6, 2015 at 1:56 pm -
The typing pool … still makes me shudder.
- Mr Wray
- AdrianS
- Moor Larkin
February 2, 2015 at 11:15 am -
My understanding is that all Saunders has done is modify the CPS advice to investigating police. The guidelines now say specifically that the investigating officer must specifically ask the accused man on what basis he took it that he had the victim’s consent. I’m guessing that this is simply so that this can be taken down in evidence and used against him later. No law has been changed or new law introduced. Clearly the Establishment is determined to stop casual sex, and since women have to be innocent, it is the men who must change their behaviour.
- corevalue
February 2, 2015 at 12:05 pm -
I applies to married partners as well, Moor. I see it as encouraging the police to go fishing in the accused’s past, to find some bolstering evidence of “sexual predation”. I mean, going to sleep afterwards is seen as the sort of behaviour a rapist might do to cover his tracks?
Talk about hiding in plain sight! It all goes back to Savile. There he was, doing perfectly normal things in everyday life, right in front of the public. Now we know, of course, that those “normal” things were merely his never-ceasing efforts to hide his hideous perversions.
I think there was a book about this sort of dichotomy – look normal, you’re guilty. Look guilty, you’re guilty. Catch-22 was it?
- Robert the Biker
February 2, 2015 at 12:10 pm -
I suppose if he got up, put a lampshade on his head and ran up and down the street shouting *WIBBLE, WIBBLE, WIBBLE* that would pass for normal behaviour with these people!
- Robert the Biker
- Mr Ecks
February 2, 2015 at 12:07 pm -
The falsely accused would be dumb to tell the police that info (or anything whatsoever) –they will at once set out to specifically undermine whatever he has told them. Either by slanting the facts or coaching the victim or making up appropriate lies or…. Tell them nothing.
- Mr Ecks
February 2, 2015 at 12:11 pm -
Victim of course should read “victim”.
Also Saunders needs to be sacked without compensation, her pension confiscated and the Law Society told to de-frock her–or disbar or whatever they call it–on pain of their own destruction.
The question of charges arising from Yewtree –where “conspiracy to pervert the course of Justice ” will be the word of far longer than a week–that remains to be seen.
- Moor Larkin
February 2, 2015 at 12:32 pm -
The prospective Labour MP for Holborn is the one in need of the defrocking. It could just be that Saunders is trying her best to manage a situation and make clearer to everyone how the system will work. It cannot be easy when the media is hounding the Establishment on this paedo-sex-issue. Let’s not forget that Starmer’s Famililar, the other Alison – Levitt – the pretty blond one, got the bum’s rush and flounced out of the CPS when Elsie got the job instead. I suspect matters could be an awful lot worse than they are if somebody somewhere hadn’t realised the network that was being created.
Unless and until the NuLab Sex laws of 2003 themselves are recognised as being wide open to abuse, then I suspect we will be abused as the authorities see fit, and better the devil you know and who at least offers clarity.
- Mudplugger
February 2, 2015 at 3:54 pm -
I suspect that La Saunders is developing a plan to follow Sir Kier in the same post-DPP career direction.
By establishing her ‘wimmin credentials’ up-front with this latest nonsense, she can then be sure of the support of Harriet & The Harridans to secure her a safe sexist seat around 2020. Watch this space….
- Mudplugger
- Moor Larkin
- Mr Ecks
- Moor Larkin
February 2, 2015 at 12:13 pm -
* It applies to married partners as well *
Lestrade: What made you think she consented?
Soames: She married me for god’s sake.
Judge: Take him down.- AdrianS
February 2, 2015 at 8:35 pm -
I would certainly advise anyone arrested on sex allegations by the old bill to say nothing, absolutely nothing , other than confirm your id.
Stops lots of fishing trips
- AdrianS
- corevalue
- Welsh Rarebit
February 2, 2015 at 11:39 am -
In her thirst for self publicity Ms Saunders should possibly have paused for a moment.
Had she done so she may have realised that publicising the questions, that any competent PC or prosecutor should have asked anyway, has tipped off any real rapists about the questions that they will now need to rehearse answers to in order to avoid conviction. - Roderick
February 2, 2015 at 12:32 pm -
Is there not an opportunity here for us males to play the victim card too?
“I’m sorry your honour, it was my genetic programming that did it. I’m unable to look at a woman without mentally undressing her, and I’m forced to think about sex every 7 seconds, whether I want to or not.”
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 2, 2015 at 12:40 pm -
” it was my genetic programming that did it.”
Islam-dealing with uncontrollable male lust since 640 AD.
- AdrianS
February 3, 2015 at 8:58 am -
Burqa the lot of em!
Only joking girls!
- AdrianS
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Chris
February 2, 2015 at 12:56 pm -
Here’s a topical story.
http://m.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/Takeaway-boss-squeezed-girl-s-shop/story-25959730-detail/story.html- Moor Larkin
February 2, 2015 at 1:08 pm -
Interesting. I have a pet theory that part of what is driving this process is the Establishment attacking Multi-culturalism via the law Courts. That is to say, the establishment is wedded to Multi-Kulti in theory but clearly some of Johnny Foreigner’s habits are a bit antideliuvian – not to say Savilesque. Now the Establishment cannot undo what they have done for the past half a century, but by targetting the bits they like the least, the can drive Johnny down what they deem certain necessary roads. Of course, whilst they do that, they must persecute the white men too, just to show it’s nothing personal but rather that evil must be fought on all fronts. Savile erupted just as the Asian Grooming threatened to hit the headlines. I recall some Romanesque men being banged up a while back and the defendant wailing that the girls never said No, so where was the crime?
- Chris
February 2, 2015 at 1:54 pm -
I have thought for a while that racially-motivated civil war is the destination of the UK – like Yewtree means an unproven tap on the backside lands a man on the Sex Offenders Register for 5 years, middle-class hand-wringers in the media like Cathy Newman are finding subtle new ways for their audience to voice anti-Islamic or anti-Semitic opinions, and the working class to then lead the charge towards “hate crimes” and before you know it, those not on the Sex Offenders Register will be criminals anyway
- Robert the Biker
February 2, 2015 at 2:55 pm -
“The War between Men and Women”
James Thurber - Moor Larkin
February 2, 2015 at 3:19 pm -
That sacred cow is after the Freemasons in Wrexham first….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04KjXx-74DU
- Robert the Biker
- Chris
- Shaftmonde
February 2, 2015 at 2:02 pm -
Oh The poor dear!
The degrading things poor women have to suffer. Squeezing her bottom? Horrendous!
Perhaps when she is older she might consider joing the army and campaigning to be sent to the front line, where she can wreak her vengeance on men by murdering a few enemy soldiers with her AK47- Moor Larkin
February 2, 2015 at 3:34 pm -
Just because he’s Johnny Foreigner doesn’t mean he’s guilty. Maybe she tried to get free pizza after persuading him to let her pee in his pot, and he told her to get lost. No mention of any witnesses in the shop. Why was her boyfriend sitting in the car? If he was innocent, now he’s getting a higher punishment for having the temerity to claim he WAS innocent. That’s English Justice? Pretty crap.
- Chris
February 2, 2015 at 4:04 pm -
This could be the first stirrings of a post-Rotherham witch-hunt of men from ‘The East’ who run takeaways. If the “culture” for such shenanigans is anything like I’ve seen & heard round our way then it will be easy pickings – and 25 years of such culture to go at.
And if any historic allegations come to light remember the rule – the men are the age they are now, the “victims” remain at whatever age they said they were at the time.- The Vatman Cometh
February 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm -
To provide a little local perspective to this story you should be aware that said kebab shop is situated in Grimsby’s least salubrious area (which is saying something..) – the East Marsh, featured so prominently in Channel 4’s latest series of “Skint” – so the chances of any self respecting retailer letting members of the local populace behind the counter to use the amenities is fairly minimal; within five minutes his kitchen would probably have been stripped of anything of value! The lack of any corroborating evidence (witnesses? CCTV inside the shop?) leaves this as one of the growing number of cases where the word of the victim is taken as sacrosanct – the survivors must be believed as we are constantly told. As an aside, her boyfriend sounds a charmer – more bothered about getting his money back than the fact his girlfriend had been sexually assaulted !
- Peter Raite
February 3, 2015 at 3:45 pm -
“Boyfriend”? The article mentions only a “driver” who had “driven” the “victim” to the “shop” (OK, quote marks getting silly now!). It’s odd that the relationship is not clarified, but it does suggest that neither were particularly local to the shop.
- Peter Raite
- The Vatman Cometh
- Chris
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Carol42
February 2, 2015 at 4:50 pm -
Must agree Anna, I never ran into any of these predators either. When I did get into a couple of tricky situations I was able to talk my way out of it. Now what is called rape is ridiculous and should be changed to a less serious offence, though some of the things that reach court now we would have brushed off. I do think some people do give off an aura of vulnerability that predictors pick up on, I remember a friend who was in a home for difficult children saying they knew exactly who to pick on and left the others alone. Still I wouldn’t like to be a man these days.
Carol - Cascadian
February 2, 2015 at 5:59 pm -
How refreshing it is to have the landlady dissect the nonsense that disguises itself as British “justice”.
Apart from anything else she highlights the improbable jail construction costs and prisoner maintenance costs, obviously these cannot be afforded, so what is the purpose? Once again, like Saville it appears to be for the enrichment of the feminazi bloc within the “justice” system, a transference of funds from men defending themselves into the purses of the feminazi inquisitors.
While we are discussing rape, suppose we turn the minds of the feminist-“justice”-complex to proven issues. Can they not turn their attention to the madrassahs and mosques teaching those hateful men to beat their wives into submission and demanding sex, or to those younger men pimping and abusing young white girls in the liebour-heartlands in industrial quantities or even to enforce existing law against female genital mutilation?. Listen while they whistle past the graveyard, crime appears to be anything that their sensibilities abhor (sex with men) not actions taken against the written existing LAW of Britain.
- Med
February 2, 2015 at 6:16 pm -
There was a young man of Begur (look it up)
Who suffered with thoughts most impure
He went to his priest
Who said “don’t desist”
Tell me more, tell me more, tell me more.Ps I feel better now.
- Eppy
February 2, 2015 at 10:13 pm -
There was a senorita from Sa Riera
Who loved to go out on fiesta
Whenever she pulled
She’d present her tool
And demand at least 7 orgasma- Mudplugger
February 3, 2015 at 8:11 am -
There’s a limit to what Google Translate can handle evidently.
- Eppy
February 4, 2015 at 12:14 pm -
Different Begur?
- Eppy
- Mudplugger
- Eppy
- Engineer
February 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm -
Is this a vision of the future?
(The feminists still won’t like it – she actually bothered with a man!)
- Ms Mildred
February 2, 2015 at 6:20 pm -
As said before my town, when I was young, was a garrison town. Airmen at Padgate doing NS. Fleet air arm. Americans. Army signals, Army barracks. The nurses had many pregnancies when I was in training. I did have to plan carefully what to do at night, if alone, and off the train returning to the nurses home. I was chased. It was very frightening Mostly we went in groups to dances and left in a group. Young blokes want to get close up to young girls and get on with as much as they can. Now they have made the things some of us used to consensually get up, short of full sex, into rape. I think there is an agenda behind this expansion. Instead of moralising or blaming the poor weak, and possibly drunk, female for her dress, lack of caution, and horrendous taste in casual partners. The guy has to be pushed into being very cautious. Will it work with all the drink, drugs and smart phone porn to wind people up……I doubt it?
- Not Long Now
February 2, 2015 at 6:53 pm -
*Will it work with all the drink, drugs and smart phone porn to wind people up……I doubt it?*
Is it intended to work? I doubt it. These people may be a lot of things but they are not stupid and they all have their own agendas and their own advisers telling them how to play the long game. If we doubt that they are not stupid, ask yourself, how is it that whatever happens they come out on top? We just can’t bring ourselves to believe how deeply malevolent they are.
- Jacqu1999
February 3, 2015 at 1:18 pm -
Their own agendas indeed. Waiting in the background is probably a host of firms of abuse lawyers rubbing their hands at the prospect of all the newly manufactured potential claims. We are fast becoming a country engineered by lawyers, for the benefit of lawyers.
- Peter Raite
February 3, 2015 at 3:53 pm -
I think said lawyers are already working on expanding their remit as much as possible. Some odious creature from Slater & Gordon was spotted on BBC Breakfast the other morning, stressing that the fact that MH17 was ordered to fly at a higher-than-usual altitude meant that those responsible were aware of the risk, and therefore liable….
- Peter Raite
- Jacqu1999
- corevalue
February 2, 2015 at 7:47 pm -
It wasn’t much fun being a local bloke in those places either.
- Not Long Now
- binao
February 2, 2015 at 8:46 pm -
I fully accept that the balance that existed between M & F when I was young was very different from the values of today.
Fair enough, I think it’s progress.
There are also enough brain cells still working to cringe at memories of some of my youthful encounters with girls.
And a bit later too.
I have no idea what goes on in other people’s heads but I have to assume that all blokes have the same preoccupation with sex; married twice, I still have no idea what women think about.
Even so, I just cannot conceive of the people I knew then or since, or myself, raping anyone, M or F, and I’ve been around a bit.
I know it happens, there are some very nasty people about, but they aren’t round every corner.
Just a view. - Ergathones the Philosopher
February 2, 2015 at 9:08 pm -
I seem to recall not long ago an American beauty queen, or somesuch, came in for an online battering for suggesting that women should learn basic self-defence in case of assault.
She was accused of that most heinous of sins – Victim-Blaming – and the most common response to her suggestion was along the lines of “Or men could just not rape.”
Is it me, or is that an argument that no one would even consider using in relation to any other crime?
Buy a burglar alarm? How dare you? People just shouldn’t steal.
And so on, and so on, and Scooby-Dooby-Doo.
- The Blocked Dwarf
February 3, 2015 at 1:15 am
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Cloudberry
February 2, 2015 at 10:48 pm -
One way of getting a man into court and safely behind bars with his wallet hanging open would be for your friendly police officer to tip off another liar about your own lies so that she can bring her lies into line with yours, you can both provide mutual corroboration, other liars look more credible, the jury buys it and you can all file for compensation. If the friendly officer also finds some useful images on a computer that were left there by someone the perpetrator wants to protect, all the better, just make sure the jury know in advance!
- john malpas
February 2, 2015 at 10:58 pm -
Are you sure that all this rape talk is not a way of bringing back marriage. But as it was in the ‘shot gun’ , ‘mother in law’,’no divorce’ – sort of way.
- Lewis Deane
February 3, 2015 at 2:53 am -
You are a writer, a thinker, which is what writing is – thinking! Don’t despair, please, because, however sour this modern, British taste feels, our history is more than a thousand years old. Our passivity will not last that long, will it?
- Lewis Deane
February 3, 2015 at 3:23 am -
What I mean is how you fight against irrationality and it’s absurdities. Your loneliness in this fight appeals to me. Men, and your compassion for them, for us, makes me stupid, are not as bad as they say. We are poets, we are lovers, adventurers, farers on the seas, mappers of the world, describers of Hell and Heaven, to, murderers, yes, violent (we invented violence) but inventive even in our violence. For what is the meaning in this world and how do we grasp it? Not by making people feel ashamed of who they are, not by denaturing them. A man, foursquare and sure, to quote Whitman.
- Lewis Deane
February 3, 2015 at 3:34 am -
So don’t despair, my new friend, if I can be impolite enough to call you that, there are countless suns that haven’t set yet. We are so full of beautiful possibilities we cannot understand what may happen. If you have not chaos inside you how can you give birth to dancing star?
- JuliaM
February 3, 2015 at 9:23 am -
Hmmmm….
“A police chief has called on students to “reflect very deeply” on their drinking – after a fourth river death in just 15 months was only averted by a dramatic rescue.
Assistant Chief Constable Dave Orford said “reckless consumption of alcohol” had played a part in the deaths of Durham University students Sope Peters, Luke Pearce and Euan Coulthard in the Wear since October 2013 and a fourth tragedy was only prevented by the bravery of his officers.
“My appeal to the student body is to reflect very deeply on these four incidents.
“I believe the reckless consumption of alcohol has played a part in all of them – and there’s a high degree of responsibility there.
“You need to look after yourself and your friends. Don’t leave university either with a prosecution from us or having put yourself or your friends at risk.”
His uncompromising message was echoed by Police and Crime Commissioner Ron Hogg, who said he was totally shocked at the incident and it was very fortunate Durham was not mourning the loss of another young life.
“A lot of this is about personal responsibility. This young man was seriously drunk. He wasn’t able to look after himself.”
Now, can anyone see this same victim-blaming being rolled out should some young bit get herself dateraped? Is it different if you’re a male student?
- Not Long Now
February 3, 2015 at 10:52 am -
*Now, can anyone see this same victim-blaming being rolled out should some young bit get herself dateraped? Is it different if you’re a male student?*
I appreciate this was a rhetorical question but the reasons for it are equally obvious. These senior and oh so politically correct figures of the establishment know their own livelihoods and future, would be at risk if they attempted to say the same about females. So powerful have the outraged PC brigade become that some of the Establishment I have met are so frightened of the backlash if they went off script, they can only go silent when asked to declare their position on these issues. They can’t bring themselves to utter the drivel necessary to justify the unjustifiable but aren’t prepared to self destruct by being honest.
Self interest has always propped up the objectionable and generally self justifies on the basis that they were just following orders.
- Moor Larkin
February 3, 2015 at 12:11 pm -
‘For too long society has blamed rape victims for confusing the issue of consent – by drinking or dressing provocatively for example – but it is not they who are confused, it is society itself and we must challenge that.’
Alison Saunders, Director of Public Prosecutions
http://thejusticegap.com/2015/01/dpp-consent-sexual-activity-grey-area/- Cloudberry
February 3, 2015 at 2:08 pm -
Her argument seems to make sense if they’re trying to tackle situations where people have been sexually assaulted after having their drinks spiked. The perpetrator would clearly claim it was consensual and the victim was so legless they couldn’t remember and would be only too happy for the victim to be blamed for “getting themselves date-raped”.
- Moor Larkin
February 3, 2015 at 2:26 pm -
One myth leads to another:
“despite popular beliefs, police have found no evidence that rape victims are commonly drugged with such substances, the researchers said. Dr Adam Burgess from the university’s School of Social Policy, Sociology and Social Research, said: “Young women appear to be displacing their anxieties about the consequences of consuming what is in the bottle on to rumours of what could be put there by someone else.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6440589/Date-rape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend.html
Nick Ross, chair of the Jill Dando Institute of Crime Science, commented: “There is no evidence of widespread use of hypnotics in sexual assault, let alone Rohypnol, despite many attempts to prove the contrary.- Cloudberry
February 3, 2015 at 2:55 pm -
But there wouldn’t be any evidence if there was no trace of it in their system. The police warn about it.
https://www.essex.police.uk/be_safe/alcohol/drink_spiking.aspx- Moor Larkin
February 3, 2015 at 2:59 pm -
You see how myths work. Clever isn’t it.
- Moor Larkin
- Cloudberry
- Moor Larkin
- Cloudberry
- Not Long Now
- Lewis Deane
February 3, 2015 at 1:39 pm -
Sex is often about power but it needn’t be – or is it ‘sex’ when it’s about ‘power’ and mostly the lack of it? The tenderness, the gentleness of love where one really is discovering the ‘other’, the question and the answer? The tears, the laughter, that silly smile (shared) after? It can be a power game, a means of feeding a lack, an emptiness, an inadequacy but it can be something other, an overflowing gratitude, a mutual richness?
- Lewis Deane
February 3, 2015 at 1:42 pm -
Song of Myself
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Walt Whitman (from Leaves of Grass, first published in the 1855 edition)
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I celebrate myself;
And what I assume you shall assume;
For every atom belonging to me, as good belongs to you.I loafe and invite my Soul;
I lean and loafe at my ease, observing a spear of summer grass.Houses and rooms are full of perfumes—the shelves are crowded with perfumes;
I breathe the fragrance myself, and know it and like it;
The distillation would intoxicate me also, but I shall not let it.The atmosphere is not a perfume—it has no taste of the distillation—it is odorless;
It is for my mouth forever—I am in love with it;
I will go to the bank by the wood, and become undisguised and naked;
I am mad for it to be in contact with me. - Lewis Deane
February 3, 2015 at 1:44 pm -
Have you reckon’d a thousand acres much? have you reckon’d the earth much?
Have you practis’d so long to learn to read?
Have you felt so proud to get at the meaning of poems?Stop this day and night with me, and you shall possess the origin of all poems;
You shall possess the good of the earth and sun—(there are millions of suns left;)
You shall no longer take things at second or third hand, nor look through the eyes of the dead, nor feed on the spectres in books;
You shall not look through my eyes either, nor take things from me:
You shall listen to all sides, and filter them from yourself. - Dai Brainbocs
February 5, 2015 at 11:15 am -
A business plan for the next series of The Apprentice – consent stationery in a variety of colours for every conceivable form of sexual activity.
Mrs Brainbocs is a former colleague. We used to work shifts and I first suggested a date late one evening when the workplace was sparsely populated. We married within months and we’ve now been together almost 33 years.
As a young man in the same situation today, would I do the same thing? You must be joking.
- Mr Wray
February 6, 2015 at 2:19 pm -
This has been suggested at several US universities as a means of young men proving they had consent. There is a serious issue with this. What is to stop the woman saying she was forced to sign the form and what is to stop a man from forcing her to do so? The signed consent now becomes useless.
Plus has anyone considered what some young men will do with these consent forms? They could become the modern version of the hickey …
- Mr Wray
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