Immigrants – 'Gimme Grants'!
Immigrants add to the full richness of British life.
There, I’ve said it. Now you can all land on my head and not bother to read the rest of the post.
There are a plethora of articles on the Internet, joyfully linked to by each new entrant, extolling the many benefits that Britain enjoys by welcoming immigrants to its shores. Even Wikipedia joins in on the beanfeast, listing the ‘most notable’ British Bangladeshis. Every year, the ‘Britbanglas‘ host a glossy function – at the House of Lords these days – to honour the great and the good (er, presided over by Lord Ahmed, shurly shum mishtake here?) from the Bangladeshi community.
Only the dastardly BNP, it seems, ever dares to raise its head above the parapet, and so much as hint that the picture is not one of wall to wall achievement and contribution to British life. When they do, they are roundly condemned as ‘racist’, it only being racist to comment on the downside of immigration, not the upside. Upside is good.
Were I to pen an article this morning describing in detail the wonderful achievements of a single Bangladeshi family, the Guardian would happily publish it and take it to be representative of all Bangladeshis everywhere. Trouble is, I’m about to detail the horrendous cost of one single Bangladeshi family, which is not representative of all Bangladeshis everywhere, but I see no reason why the downside should be hidden from polite view, like a Victorian table-leg.
Apart from an article in the Independent, honing in on one small aspect of this Court of Protection case – the media have left it alone. Yet it is an important case. So important, that it has become one of the few cases published by the so called ‘secret court’.
I shall call her ‘Tia’. She has a husband ‘Mustapha’. We are not told by what means either of them came to be living in England, nor whether they are employed – though Tia patently can’t be, and I very much doubt, as you shall see, whether Mustapha could be either. They live in a two-bedroomed housing association flat in Tower Hamlets. They both originate from Bangladesh.
Despite the fact that they are first cousins, they married in 1999. This was also despite the fact that Tia has a mental age judged to be between 4 and 8 years old. Neither factor was a good omen for the genes, nor for the care of the ensuing children. As it proved, in the fullness of time – by 2010, Tia had given birth to four children. All four had to be taken into immediate care and were subsequently placed for adoption. The usual lengthy court cases and legal representation was legally aided.
Tia was not able to care for herself, never mind a child. Social Services found it necessary to install 24-hour, 7 day a week, 52 week a year care in that two-bedroomed flat for Tia. In order to provide 24 hour care, we are talking about a bare minimum of four full time employees on a rota, possibly more. Tia had no comprehension of the necessity to feed or wash herself, nor ‘how babies came to be in her tummy’.
Since the birth of her first child, Tia has been in the care of a clinical psychologist, and an independent social worker, in addition to the rota of full time carers and the inevitable interpreters. They confess they ‘have made no progress with her’ – she neither speaks English nor takes any interest in other people, merely lying on a sofa watching Bangla TV during the day, attended by her carers.
The number of people crowding into this small apartment appears to have been curtailing Mustapha’s sex life. He arranged for Tia’s (and his) cousin Alia, to arrive from Bangladesh on the soon to be proved worthless, assurance that she would be financially independent. She was initially refused an entry visa – but a legal challenge was mounted to this, and she moved into the crowded apartment as Mustapha’s ‘second wife’. Mustapha quickly impregnated Alia.
Alia has subsequently given birth to two more of Mustapha’s offspring. These children have not been taken into care, but are now living with their Mother in council provided bed and breakfast accommodation. It would appear that Alia’s entry visa was obtained dishonestly, and attempts have been made to deport her, each accompanied by a legally aided defence. Since she is now the Mother of two children belonging to a man legally resident in Britain, no doubt she will eventually win the right to remain, and be supported physically and financially, as she cares for them.
With Alia parked up in a bed and breakfast, Mustapha turned his attention to his first wife once more.
‘No, no, no’, cried social services – ‘she’ll be pregnant again in five minutes. We’re supporting six of his children already’, and they very smartly moved the compliant Tia to a full time care facility and out of Mustapha’s nightly forays.
Thus began the latest legal battle – reported by the Independent as ‘Man banned from taking wife out of care facility to have sex with her‘. As far as the Independent (and the Mirror) are concerned, this is merely a case of whether a man has the right to have sex with his wife. Neither paper has reported on the background to the case.
It is not – it is primarily concerned with whether Tia has ever had capacity to consent to sex, and whether it is a deprivation of her liberty to remove her from the family home and prevent her from returning. I cannot argue with Mr Justice Mostyn masterly summation of those issues, they will be of great interest to anyone exercised by similar issues. He concludes that ‘she hasn’t’ and ‘it doesn’t’.
What I am primarily concerned with here, is the cost to the taxpayer of these events.
We have two adults, possibly three if we include Mr Ouanq, fully supported by the taxpayer.
We have housing association accommodation subsidised by the tax payer.
We have six children, each fully supported in care by the taxpayer.
We have full time care via a rota of employees for Tia.
We have (I may have lost count here!) nine high court actions/family court/court of protection/immigration tribunals – each of which has been attended by a murmur of black gowned legal experts including top flight QCs.
We have a range of psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, case conference attendees, and assorted council employees.
I can’t begin to compute the cost to the tax payer of that little lot, but if we are to have glossy occasions at the House of Lords to publicise the advantage to the British public of Bangladeshi immigration, I don’t think one little article illustrating the reverse of the coin is pushing the ‘racist’ boat too far out to sea….
The main stream media obviously disagree.
*Please note: the address given for this family in the case notes is false – just in case anyone was thinking of paying Mustapha Ouanq a visit – with a pair of garden shears….
- Ho Hum
January 5, 2015 at 9:28 am -
Very valid points Anna. But the ‘garden shears’ could be cut to no ill effect. They give this a slightly tawdry, unfunny, detracting, edge
Cut this comment too, if you do
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 5, 2015 at 9:30 am -
Can anyone explain to me why the ‘husband’ hasn’t been charged with ‘rape’ or abuse of a minor (his ‘wife’ obviously isn’t capable of informed consent)?
- JuliaM
January 5, 2015 at 9:41 am -
Because he holds a winning hand in Victimhood Poker.
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 5, 2015 at 3:01 pm -
Yes…I suppose so…I just wondered if anything had actually changed after that whole ‘Yorkshire Flesh Gangs/White Slavery’ thang…seems not to have. Mind you, if the ‘husband’ happens to offer his ‘wife’ (Child Bride?) a post coital cigarette he’ll swing for sure!
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Fat Steve
January 5, 2015 at 12:37 pm -
She has a husband ‘Mustapha’.
I wonder Anna if it shouldn’t be husband in inverted commas rather than ‘mustapha’.and I say this because it must be doubtful that Tia ever had capacity to enter into a marriage and I would hazard a guess (though I don’t know) that that same principle of incapacity is probably recognised wherever their marriage was contracted.
I am hopelessly out of date on recognition of foreign marriages and divorce but just as some contracts are abhorrent in English Law surely this ‘marriage’ must also be abhorrent.
The surprising thing is that social services must have had knowledge of this case from the birth of the ‘couple’s’ first child and yet appeared to take no action to protect someone (‘Tia’ ) who was I think cannot be viewed as other than a true victim.
I wonder if the real causation of this little disaster (like some others) wasn’t political correctness and a misplaced insistence on respect for a ‘marriage’ which may have had some legal form but probably lacked adequate substance from any cultural or legal viewpoint including Bangladeshi
- JuliaM
- right_writes
January 5, 2015 at 9:36 am -
And not one single person that you mention Anna, actually produces or even assists in producing ANYTHING at all.
People take the mickey out of UKIP for pointing this stuff out, and we know that Farage was making a joke when he referred to the M4 traffic situation… If you have attempted to move a car around London recently, you will know that immigration really does have a big effect on our lives…
It is the numbers, I don’t care where they come from, to which god they prostrate themselves or what colour they claim they are.
- Major Bonkers
January 5, 2015 at 9:41 am -
Perhaps this gentleman is a relative of the well-known Turk, Mustapha Kunt?
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archibald_Clark_Kerr,_1st_Baron_Inverchapel
- Moor Larkin
January 5, 2015 at 9:59 am -
Oddly enough, some while ago, a similar thought-train was set in motion for me when I was out cycling. I headed off down what turned out to be something of a dead-end. On the way I passed what appeared to be two young families. I say ‘appeared’ because it was in truth difficult to be sure if maybe it was one big family but not as we think of a family necessarily. The two men and two women had buggies and a couple of scampering footloose children were being shouted at on an interminable basis as I approached. The women seemed to be being shouted at fairly regularly too in the sense of being given advice by the two men. As I reached them, there was much shouting at the footloose kids to keep out of my way and also at one of the women who inexplicably began manoeuvring her pram across my path. A sharp instruction from the man who seemed to be the partner of her made her scurry forward again. I was smiling benignly and ambling very slowly on my bike by now, slightly embarrassed by the furore my approach was causing. The dominant male smiled and nodded, as if slightly exasperated by his charges, as I went past. Discovering in due course that this road went nowhere anyway (a bypass road reconstructed elsewhere it seems) I had to return the way I came. The family groups were a little further up the road; they seemed possibly to be picking blackberries from the wild bushes lining this abandoned ex-road. Whatever they were doing was accompanied by constant shouting, corrective “telling off”, and what seemed a constant chivvying of the others by the dominant male in the Pride. Thoughts of abuse were naturally in my mind since such is the flavour of civic discourse just now. The women seemed abjectly passive – obeying every instruction about where to move and what to do, but as I cycled past slowly the second time, they seemed to have already learned how to keep out of my path, as I gave them the widest berth that I could. The Pride male once again smiled and nodded to me and the footloose kids stared in wonder at this tall stranger on a long bike… I wondered if they had social workers on a regular basis at their home. I felt they must have. Untermensch – the eternal problem of the urban society it seems and a seemingly constant bar to our quest for Utopia. They were just as white as me by the way.
- JuliaM
January 5, 2015 at 11:12 am -
“…by the dominant male in the Pride.”
No Alphas here, strictly the runts of the pack!
- JuliaM
- Moor Larkin
January 5, 2015 at 10:28 am -
Not sure if it was just an Urban Legend, but I read a report once that Reagan once offered an open-door policy for the oppressed Cuban population. It was said that Castro emptied his prisons and mental institutions, put them all on boats and sent them to the land of the Yankee.
- Robert the Biker
January 6, 2015 at 7:43 am -
Indeed, this was the premise of the movie ‘Scarface’. It’s perfectly true by the way, the cons were tattooed inside their bottom lip so they could be recognised if they tried to get back in.
- Harold Angryperson
January 9, 2015 at 9:08 am -
- Moor Larkin
January 9, 2015 at 9:12 am -
Cheers Harold. Peanut brain! I imagine somebody blamed it on Ronnie Raygun later… perhaps me…
- Moor Larkin
- Harold Angryperson
- Robert the Biker
- Don Cox
January 5, 2015 at 10:51 am -
The husband could greatly reduce his problems if he had himself sterilized.
- Span Ows
January 5, 2015 at 8:06 pm -
Or used his hands more as alluded too with the name Anna has given him.
- Robert the Biker
January 6, 2015 at 7:44 am -
Two bricks instead of the shears perhaps – Oh dear, Ho Hum will have something else to moan about!
- Ho Hum
January 9, 2015 at 9:51 am -
I did miss the intended humour, didn’t I?
OK, some you lose spectacularly….
- Ho Hum
- Span Ows
- Backwoodsman
January 5, 2015 at 11:06 am -
Major problem in Glasgow, with the first cousin marriage issue. In addition to the costs outlined above by Anna, all the kids will presumably be basket cases too.
Back in the mists of time, Clarissa and I disagreed on this topic here on the blog. Having at the time two business partners from the sub-continent, I was fully aware of the practice of granny arranging for cousins and uneducated , ie unwesternised, brides to be shipped over for arranged marriages, thus perpetuating the stream of immigrants who would never learn English or integrate into British society.
Untill this link is broken, any talk of integrating the majority into our culture, is pie in the sky. - Hadleigh Fan
January 5, 2015 at 12:59 pm -
This case is absolutely appalling on any number of levels. My heart bleeds for the women concerned, my wallet bleeds for the costs.
Surely his second marriage is not simply bigamous but is unlawful here if he didn’t leave the UK to contract it.
We have enough problems with home-grown morons (e.g. Mick Philpott) without importing them from sundry cess pits around the world.
- Peter Raite
January 5, 2015 at 3:09 pm -
As Mr Philpott himself proved, actual bigamy may be illegal, but multiple co-habitation isn’t.
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 5, 2015 at 6:50 pm -
“Her husband, SA, is, in fact, her first cousin. SSB is also her first cousin and her husband has taken her as a polygamous second wife. That marriage is valid under the laws of Islam but is completely invalid under the laws of England and Wales. .””
- Peter Raite
- Not Long Now
January 5, 2015 at 1:17 pm -
‘..but I see no reason why the downside should be hidden from polite view, like a Victorian table-leg.’
This for me is where the issue lies. It shouldn’t be necessary to have to say that at all, but such is the all pervasive canker of largely Left driven Political Correctness that every comment has to be excused or justified before it can even be formed, let alone voiced publicly.
The simple truth should be that no matter who we are or where we come from we should obey the laws governing the land in which we reside. Breaches or suspected breaches of those laws should be dealt with, commented on or whatever, using the same set of guidelines and rules for everyone. Race, religion, culture or mental capacity should not be useable as an excuse to change the way breaches are dealt with even if, in particular reference to mental capacity, more gentle options should have been written in during the formation of those alternatives.
If opinion decides that the system is inadequate for any reason, considered appraisal should be possible on the basis of what has gone before, not solely on what the new politically motivated pressures have imposed for the few, whomever the few are comprised of.
Strewth I’m getting just as badly caught up in this PC bo…cks as anyone. What I am saying without pussyfooting around is, this is the rules dummy, if you don’t like it make a convincing case to change it, on behalf of the majority it has worked well for up to now and not the minority hell bent on converting the existing culture to one better suited to their own.
Either we are all equal or we are not, the effects this obscene ‘positive discrimination PC think’ are having are in danger of turning me into a grumpy old man.
Rant over.
As to the rest of the circumstances, my case is that they are an inevitable consequence of the PC brigade gaining ascendency. Throw out the PC bit and a lot of this could have been avoided or neutralised or at the least now stopped from getting worse still.
- Moor Larkin
January 5, 2015 at 2:42 pm -
Truth requires Tolerance. The irony is unbearable at times.
- Moor Larkin
- Engineer
January 5, 2015 at 3:19 pm -
On the other hand, if you’re a 73 year old white grandmother from Orkney, the Court of Protection can have you dragged out of a theatre, handcuffed, thrown in a police cell overnight, not allowed access to a solicitor or your regular medication, and then summarily imprisoned for the crime of hugging your grand-daughter – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/11323130/The-most-sinister-court-in-Britain-strikes-yet-again.html
- binao
January 5, 2015 at 4:42 pm -
Our politicians & their executive have decided that this situation is acceptable as long as the impact is insufficient to affect their personal comfort. After all, the only people actually disadvantaged are those competing for the services involved, including housing. Bit unlikely any millionaire frontbencher or senior civil servant will ever be in that situation.
I watched Dave C trampling on pitiable Marr yesterday. D.C. seems to be pinning his hopes on benefits control to limit immigrants, obviously recognising that the eu high priests will never allow backsliding on free movement in the eu.
If only it were that simple.
I remember in the ’70s in a long line at arrivals, I was checked against a massive book, which I assume was a file of visa holders.
I was bluntly informed by the official that if I wasn’t in the book, I’d be on the next flight back.
Didn’t seem to hold back the California economy. - Span Ows
January 5, 2015 at 8:00 pm -
Mustapha Ouanq! Brilliant! LOL
- Junican
January 6, 2015 at 1:07 am -
“At para 1 of my decision in Rochdale Metropolitan Borough Council v KW I referred to the very serious resource implications to local authorities and the state generally if periodical court reviews are required in such cases. Notwithstanding the arrival of the streamlined procedure recently promulgated by the Court of Protection Practice Direction 10AA there will still be tens if not hundreds of thousands of such cases and hundreds of thousands if not millions of documents to be processed. The streamlined procedure itself requires the deployment of much man and woman-power in order to identify, monitor and process the cases. Plainly all this will cost huge sums, sums which I would respectfully suggest are better spent on the front line rather than on lawyers.”
That is the final para in the Judge’s Opinion in the case which AR refers to:
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWCOP/2014/53.htmlThere are a number of massively expensive processes which seem to be untouchable and unmentionable in politics. I refer to the UN, WHO, IPCC, World Bank, IMF, EU, etc, etc. While the people of this country suffer ‘austerity’, those organisations continue to spend like drunken billionaires.
Yes, the case of Tia, Mustapha and the second wife has cost/is costing taxpayers incredible amounts of money. Why is that? Apart from the initial import of T and M, which, I assume, no one knew about at the time, the problems only became known to Social Services when the first child was born. Is that not the occasion when the problem should have been rooted out? Or at least, when the mental age of Tia became clear.My point is that, for various reasons, the taxpayer is stuck with this situation just like any other similar, very unusual situation.
But there are many situations which the taxpayer DOES have a choice and our Government has a choice. For example, the whole Public Health set up is costing the country billions per an. I do not mean direct costs, which might be only in the millions of pounds. I mean in indirect costs which are passed on the taxpayers, such as policing, boarder controls, UN costs, WHO costs, etc, along with all the costs which industry is saddled with as a result of decisions made by all the leaches.
Why are all these leaches protected from ‘austerity’? It beats me. - JohnRM
January 6, 2015 at 4:52 pm -
Obviously neither SocSec nor Po-Lice are aware of the sexual offences act 2003; sections 30-34. Or, more likely, they do not want to know.
- James Lovelace
January 11, 2015 at 1:16 pm -
According to the EHRC, 75% of muslim women in Britain and 50% of muslim men are unemployed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/8054403/Britains-coping-classes-at-breaking-point.html
For years I lived in a muslim ghetto in Britain. On one side I had muslim neighbours who had lived here for 16 years, with neither of them ever working in that time. After 10 years of being my neighbours, and me calling quite regularly at their home, the wife could not speak a single sentence of English. On the other side was a muslim family who had moved to Britain because it was more islamic and had better welfare benefits than the European country in which they were living. Neither him nor his wife can speak any English, even after 5 years. Neither of them nor their 2 adult sons, have worked in those 5 years. When I would go inside the homes of these neighbours, they were more finely decorated than my home, with massive plasma TV screens on which they watched Bangladeshi TV all day.
These men could be seen toddling off to the mosque 5 times a day. Whilst my friend who lost his job was harassed by civil servants when claiming benefits, it’s clear that these muslim immigrants are not even expected to look for work.
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