My 'Lidl' Pony Back on the Menu?
Never in the field of human emotiveness have so many euphemisms appeared in one House of Commons committee meeting. Not in the debates surrounding the issue of ‘helping’ elderly NHS patients to depart this mortal coil’ with an alacrity that suits the accountants, nor in the recurring knee-jerker of ‘restoring the death penalty’. This was the RSPCA trying to push for legislation that would allow them to kill horses without having to prove who the owner is, without having to wait for a ‘horse feed heavy’ 14 days, and without having to offer the horse for sale at a public auction.
It was left to Lee Hackett of the British Horse Owners Society to put a name to the shire horse in the room – ‘Bad PR’. The RSPCA man couldn’t bring himself to broach the issue, but nodded enthusiastically as Lee Hackett said that all three horse welfare representatives were agreed that the tide of public condemnation of charities that kill the animals they are supposed to be protecting ‘had turned’ – now they felt that it was a ‘reasonable course of action’.
The problem has arisen because we have stopped eating horse-meat. Now a horse is only worth between £5 and £10 at public auction – and public auction is the only solution presently available to the welfare charities that have been called in to look after an ‘abandoned horse’. The definition of abandoned is the issue.
The present Animal Act insists that even if the horse is micro-chipped, the charities have to ring every one of the 75 odd ‘horse passport offices’ within 14 days – and feed the horse in the meantime, in addition to which they must bear the cost of any veterinary care that the horse requires. The cost of this was estimated at £2,000 per horse.
At best, they recoup £5 to £10 at auction – which often means that the original owner buys the horse back, well fed and with its toe nails manicured…..
The euphemisms employed to discuss the practice of slaughtering healthy animals ranged from ‘euthanasia’ to ‘adequate enforcement options’ to ‘additional tools’ – the most common was simply ‘this amendment to the Act’ delivered in stuttering tones or with a voice that trailed helplessly away to nothing…
The RSPCA are hoist by their own petard. Those emotive ads pleading for money to look after Maisie’s much loved cat, dog or even horse with a caring and gentle RSPCA lovingly stroking the animal is belied by the fact that in 2011 they slaughtered 44% of the animals brought into their care – last year one RSPCA carer hung herself in despair when she realised this. At present they have no mandate to slaughter the horses unless they are unhealthy and suffering.
The ‘problem’ has been exasperated by the Irish government passing legislation 7 years ago which allowed to authorities to seize and ‘apply additional tools’ as they call it, to any unfortunate Dobbin whose owner has seen no reason why Dobbin shouldn’t munch the grass growing on land owned by the Local authority – a practice known as ‘fly grazing’. Dobbin’s owners, variously described as ‘impecunious’ or ‘not really able to afford to keep a horse’ have apparently been able to find the funds to transport some 3,500 of these horses across the Irish sea where they are now grazing happily on fertile Norfolk fields….
The image of a piebald traveller’s horse grazing contentedly on the verge whilst his owner peaceably whittles clothes pegs may be a charming one, but as usual, the lawyers are at the bottom of this impasse.
The owners of land where fly-grazing occurs, as any law student could tell you, have a legal duty to compensate anyone who is damaged by anything escaping from his land – regardless of whether he actually owns the ‘something’ or not. It’s not the loss of his grass that he is concerned about, but his liability for whatever Dobbin might do next – hence he calls in the RSPCA to remove Dobbin pronto – as an apparently ‘abandoned horse’.
Joseph Jones of the Gypsy Council brought the issue down to ‘culture’ – ownership of horses is a status requirement; and also that it was a requirement incumbent on the gypsy population to prove that they were ‘travelling’ and therefore they needed to own a horse (120 horses in one case) to move their caravan. Nobody dared trample over cultural issues to ask how many gypsies actually lived in a horse drawn caravan these days.
The Dartmoor Hill Pony Association is now calling for people to eat ‘Shergar Berger’ again because – obtusely – having a lively trade for horse meat encourages those of a sensitive disposition to pay higher prices at auction for Dartmoor ponies which they then take home and care for ‘to prevent them being eaten’, and those high prices ensure that the Dartmoor Hill Pony Association breeders keep breeding Hill Ponies and ensure the survival of the breed.
You may need to read these paragraphs again to get your head round the logic embedded in there! Eat more horse meat? Everyone is agreed that the horses need to be slaughtered.
Discuss.
- Dick
September 25, 2014 at 12:41 pm -
“The owners of land where fly-grazing occurs, as any law student could tell you, has a legal duty to compensate anyone who is damaged by anything escaping from his land – regardless of whether he actually owns the ‘something’ or not.”
Surely the first step should be to change the liability of ‘something’ doing damage, away from the owner of the land and on to the owner of the ‘something’.
There’s a gypsy camp around here, and many horses tied up on inadequate ground to fend for themselves. The RSPCA doesn’t want to know about mistreatment, as soon as they suspect it’s a gypsy horse. But they have no qualms about killing a family’s pet cat if they think its fur is a bit tangled: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11024414/RSPCA-prosecute-family-over-cats-long-hair.html
- Moor Larkin
September 25, 2014 at 12:45 pm - Dioclese
September 25, 2014 at 12:50 pm -
Why not eat horse meat? The French do – but then they eat snails…
- Moor Larkin
September 25, 2014 at 12:55 pm -
- Peter Raite
September 25, 2014 at 2:49 pm -
Brits are strangely squeamish when it comes to converting certain animals into calories. Only the “cute” ones, obviously.
- Engineer
September 25, 2014 at 5:22 pm -
Not just the cute ones. I think I’d have to be very peckish indeed to tuck into a plate of rat-a-touille. Or mouse-aka.
- Engineer
- Peter Raite
- Moor Larkin
- Rowan
September 25, 2014 at 1:07 pm -
Why stop at horses? Dogs, cats, guinea pigs, snakes, hamsters etc etc are all eaten somewhere in the world. Of course, the pesky issue is determining if the meat is actually safe for human consumption – many animal vaccines and drugs *could* have adverse effects on human health, the reason often given for why Rummy the ExRacehorse can’t be sold into the (small but thriving) market for horsemeat.
- Furor Teutonicus
September 25, 2014 at 1:15 pm -
Most of our butchers have horse meat. Don’t see anything wrong with it.
- Backwoodsman
September 25, 2014 at 8:57 pm -
What do people think happened to all the working horses who came to the end of their useful lives before motor transport ? They either went to the hunt kennels to feed the hounds, or in the pot.
Simple solution, contract a local nagsman or farmer to collect the beast, stick a fixed penalty notice up where it was collected from, if the owner doesn’t pony up ( sorry !), within 48 hours, into the pot with it.
BTW, the whole ‘horse passport’ rip off, was an EU (inevitably), driven waste of money, designed to prevent British horses which might have been given anti biotics going into the Belgian / French food chain.
- Backwoodsman
- Robert the Biker
September 25, 2014 at 1:54 pm -
Let’s cut to the chase here… this is not about Mrs Goggins moggy getting the clammy handshake over dodgy fur, nor whether some spear chucker* in the rainforest eats guinea pigs, this is purely because the pikey shit have dogs and horses as a status symbol in their thieving thuggish culture. They do not look after said mutts and dobbins so every one else must suffer. If the landowner could simply call police and council and a team of armed officers and a policy wonk turned up, slotted the nag and carted off the remains, the pikeys would very soon get the message; while they can game the system, it will just run and run.
*alright, blow dart puffer
- Wigner’s Friend
September 25, 2014 at 4:15 pm -
Have to say that when I was in Peru the local guide said that they didn’t so much eat Guinea Pigs as use them as stock cubes.
- Mudplugger
September 25, 2014 at 4:17 pm -
You missed out the killer-punch in your eminently sensible proposal…
…..police and council and a team of armed officers and a policy wonk turned up, slotted the nag and carted off the remains….. recovering all the costs of the operation from the pikeys, in cash (or immediate seizure of goods to that value) …… the pikeys would get the message even sooner.
That would work and cost us nothing – the cause of the problem pays the bill for solving it.
- Joe Public
September 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm -
Many who suffer the after-effects and bear the clear-up costs from a departed travellers’ encampment would perhaps prefer the slotting to be applied to those with two, not four, legs.
- Robert the Biker
September 25, 2014 at 5:49 pm -
Quite right, I’ve never understood why the police (we’ve got the biggest gang) don’t go into these places mob handed and go through the pikeys like a dose of salts. Vehicle tax, MOT, insurance. Firearms regs, storage of gas canisters, general health and safety. After all, what complaint can be raised about laws which are applied to EVERYONE ELSE!
If the pikeys get uppish, have some squaddies standing by, soldiers are a LOT less polite than police, it’s a very different mindset!- binao
September 25, 2014 at 7:23 pm -
I don’t think I have many prejudices, except perhaps against anyone I’ve ever met involved in non league football.
The demonization of so called ‘travellers’ has not been helped by the highly prejudicial application of local authority obligations.
People will by and large do what they are allowed to, so with an ‘ethnic minority’ card, rights & freedoms enshrined in law, & total disregard of consequences to others, there will be problems. Including neglect of animals.
What we really need is some concerted effort to get these people (plus livestock) to create their rural idyll in certain Cotswolds locations, or London parks close to the homes of our handwringers & lawmakers.
But back to the RSPCA.
I recall as a small child taking the family cat with gin trapped leg to the uniformed RSPCA man in the next street. He took care of it, i.e. soothing words followed by quiet disposal. Could that happen today?
There’s not much to like about big charities these days.
And horsemeat? Tried it years ago. Can’t say I was bowled over with it. Not as good as a number of other animals ranging from Bambi to buffalo.
The horses? If those without proper care & grazing were treated as a health risk, they’d be chopped & burnt quicker than you can say ‘foot & mouth’.
Just a view. - JuliaM
September 25, 2014 at 7:54 pm -
Robert the Biker, I would devote my blog to the rest of my days to ONLY singing the praises of plod should they ever do this!
- Mr Ecks
September 25, 2014 at 11:46 pm -
That is all very well, and I also have no time for the culture and ways of pikeys BUT once full-on plod thuggery was unleashed in that manner it would not be directed only at those whom the cheering section want bashed. Those kind of antics would spread double-quick and all sorts of otherwise harmless people would also find themselves getting the crap kicked out of them. Bikers for example. I once spent some time at the bar of a pub quietly listening to a local copper (out of uniform) inveigh against “motorcycle scum” and wish that he and his comrades could be given a free hand to “deal” with them. He left little doubt that “deal” meant forcing groups off of the road and bashing the shit out of them mob-handed. I don’t really know what his problem was but from what I could gather–I didn’t join the conversation–it seems that he felt his manhood was cheapened by the sight of bikers out on a run “like they own the road”. In short he was scared of them. The few bikers in my area seem to spend their time in doing charity work so the whole thing seemed way over the top but….once genies are let out of the bottle getting them back in is always the problem.
- Mr Ecks
- binao
- Robert the Biker
- Backwoodsman
September 25, 2014 at 9:09 pm -
Plod only do unarmed Brasilians. I used to do deer traffic casualties call out for Dorset plod. ‘Don’t worry Mrs Goggins, the ‘vet’ will be along shortly to make its broken leg better’. Bang , ‘make sure you double wrap that haunch so there’s no blood stains in the back of the patrol car’
- Wigner’s Friend
- Chris
September 25, 2014 at 2:44 pm -
How long before the NSPCC campaign to microchipping kiddies ‘for their own good’?
- Giles2008
September 25, 2014 at 8:55 pm
- Giles2008
- Peter Raite
September 25, 2014 at 2:47 pm -
Way back in the mists of Ancient Time, under the auspices of the Community Programme (the grown-up equivalent of YOP/YTS), I worked for a year for the RSPCA. To this day, I would never knowingly donate a penny to them.
- Ed P
September 25, 2014 at 2:47 pm -
Whatever’s proposed, there will always be neighsayers.
- Engineer
September 25, 2014 at 5:25 pm -
It’s also important to avoid making policy on the hoof.
- Robert the Biker
September 25, 2014 at 5:44 pm -
Or shouting yourself horse!
- Joe Public
September 25, 2014 at 6:04 pm -
Mustn’t make an ass of oneself.
- Engineer
September 25, 2014 at 7:50 pm -
Go by the facts; that’s the mane thing!
- Mudplugger
September 25, 2014 at 9:20 pm -
Must we be saddled with this pommelling of poor puns ? It makes me bridle a bit, so time to rein them in before we stirrup a stampede.
- Gloria Smudd
September 26, 2014 at 12:07 am -
Hands up who else has a nagging feeling this thread will wither if this torrential reign of desperate puns isn’t pulled up short?
- Rightwinggit
September 26, 2014 at 12:28 pm -
I can see thirteen hands high…
- Rightwinggit
- Gloria Smudd
- Mudplugger
- Engineer
- Joe Public
- Robert the Biker
- Engineer
- Bill Sticker
September 25, 2014 at 4:40 pm -
Export opportunity to Belgium? Anyone?
- Engineer
September 25, 2014 at 5:30 pm -
It just needs a bit of lateral thinking. For example, horses could be marketed to Guardianistas as a carbon-neutral transport solution. Does not consume fossil fuels, and provides rose fertiliser as a by-product. What’s not to like, Greenies?
- Mudplugger
September 25, 2014 at 6:05 pm -
It is reckoned that, back in 1900, almost a third of Britain’s agricultural land was used just to grow food for all the horses in use, an early bio-fuel if you like.
Trouble is, if the Grauniad Greenies force us all back to literal horse-power and with a UK human population approaching 70 million, where’s all the people-food going to come from ? We can’t all become veggies because, after feeding the nags, there’ll be no land left for growing human-food. And think of the food-miles of we import it all. And the only vaguely-edible Roses are made by Cadbury’s – OK, I know it’s Kraft now, but you get the drift.- Engineer
September 25, 2014 at 7:47 pm -
That’s a point. I seem to recall that one of the earlier attempts to panic the nation with environmental doom-mongering happened in the late 1800’s, when some bright spark calculated that if London kept expanding as it then was (it did!) they’d be six feet deep in horse droppings by about 1900 (they weren’t!). Happily, another bright spark came up with the strange notion of attaching the recently-invented infernal combustion engine to the carriages instead of the many Dobbins, thus saving the capital from being smothered in ordure, but condemning many a nag to a premature end, and depriving the city’s roses of their favoured nourishment – they had to make do with blood, hoof and bone instead.
The more it changes, the more it stays the same; as someone once said in French.
- Engineer
- Mudplugger
- Cascadian
September 25, 2014 at 6:08 pm -
“75 odd, horse passport offices”…….says it all really, another government make-work project for Jemimas and Peregrines.
During some recent research, I came across the village of Litcham, Norfolk where some well-meaning folk in conjunction with the Norfolk Wildlife Trust (more Jemimas and Peregrines) and the Norfolk District council found a use for your taxes to provide grazing for some Dartmoor ponies with reflective collars! All the while slowing vehicular traffic to a crawl-so it’s all good really. No doubt the council thought this was terribly good use of garbage dump fees, probably because every other road deficiency had been dealt with. Time was when sane people kept sheep, pigs or a goats to graze areas and keep foliage under control, and the council was never consulted. Should not take too long before the travellers take advantage.
http://www.litcham.org/Litcham/Common_Grazing_Scheme.html
I wonder when the austerity cuts kick in and people are forced to eat horsemeat?
- suffolkgirl
September 25, 2014 at 7:03 pm -
Why is it that on the ground libertarianism often sounds just like old fashioned miserable git- ism? Here are a group of largely middle aged people who give up their own time to look after local common land. Looking at their website they aren’t paid for by the district council at all but get some support from local firms and the parish council who are legally responsible for the commons. Parish council budgets are peanuts so that will hardly be much. No funding, as far as I can see, from any district council. (btw Cascadian, in the interests of your accurate research there is no ‘Norfolk District Council’ per se, there are several districts within Norfolk, all with different names. )
You might say, what’s not to like? The use of grazing animals to retain heathland, which is an artificial, though beautiful, landscape, is hardly news. And, in east anglia we are pretty philosophical about being trapped in our cars behind horses, tractors, pheasants, rabbits, deer etc. Not so much about outsiders coming here and sneering at us, though!
- Cascadian
September 25, 2014 at 10:42 pm -
One might say why are country females so peevish?
My complaint is with Norfolk County Council funding right-on projects that are basically unnecessary, achieved at high cost (transporting Dartmoor ponies halfway across the country, falling trees, building fences and installing expensive cattle grids would NOT amount to peanuts) from taxes imposed for the purpose of dumping garbage. County councils were never meant to fund Saturday morning jollies.
For clarity, since you cannot provide your own, I described the participants as well-meaning, that is not criticism, I just believe their efforts in an earlier age would have been achieved at essentially zero cost, plus the produce would have provided sustenance for villagers. This project while worthy, has all the hallmarks of make-work while potentially inviting some unintended consequences if the travellers get wind of it. Additionally garbage dumping fees set higher than necessary to recover costs are obviously being used as slush fund.
- suffolkgirl
September 26, 2014 at 10:50 am -
Country people do get a bit peevish when outsiders come down to do a bit of research and start telling us what ‘s what. As we don’t live in ye olden days and keep goats on the common land any more, another way to maintain it needs to be found. Well, if you’re an exceptionally authoritarian libertarian you could say that it could be flogged off for another use, but I wouldn’t rate your chances of getting that by the locals. Legally commons come under the control of parish councils – the smallest unit of local democracy – and rely heavily on local volunteer labour. I can’t see any justification for your view that the costs of the Litcham scheme are too high – compared to what, I wonder – nor that it will make the land any more attractive to travellers. Rather less so, if it is fenced off, I would have thought.
- Cascadian
September 26, 2014 at 7:13 pm -
Of course you cannot see any justification for my view that the costs of the Litcham scheme are too high……that is the point, and your comment about ye olden days reinforces my view that the modern country-folk are no longer self reliant but await their local authority to tell them what to do.
People are so inured to government waste that it does not register any more and eventually you end up with Suffolk county council paying useless executives GBP220,000/yr and giving a similar sum to get rid of her after she is found totally incapable and disruptive. If these jobs-for-the-useless in charities and local authorities together with their make-work projects were eliminated and the money returned to taxpayers I suspect that those taxpayers would return the favour by donating not only time but the returned money too to worthy local projects.
But I suspect that is too radical, heaven forfend that some local might graze some sheep in the common and achieve the same result without cost to the taxpayers, with no committees involved, and actual benefit (as opposed to cost) to the community.
- binao
September 26, 2014 at 9:04 pm -
Just a thought, but didn’t the Greens in Brighton find (embarrassingly) that grazing was not a cost effective option compared to hydrocarbon guzzling ironmongery? I rarely read the Sussex locals, but something to that effect is vaguely wriggling between the remaining shiraz sodden brain cells.
- Cascadian
September 26, 2014 at 9:49 pm -
Ah, but then there would be no endless committees and statutary plans for the Jemimas and Peregrines to attend to. Why they might become an endangered species! Have a care sir.
- Cascadian
- binao
- Cascadian
- suffolkgirl
- Cascadian
- JuliaM
September 25, 2014 at 7:51 pm -
Cascadian, it’s not ‘another government make-work project for Jemimas and Peregrines’, it’s yet another imposition of the bloody EU!
- suffolkgirl
September 25, 2014 at 10:14 pm -
Except that it absolutely isn’t. You can’t shoehorn the EU into every thing that happens in the country. Commons groups are pretty normal everywhere that has common land which is under the control of parish councils and are nothing more sinister than volunteers who give up a Sunday morning to clear scrub and keep the land open. Cheap and cheerful.
Can’t really see any rational objection to it.- Furor Teutonicus
September 26, 2014 at 10:06 am -
I hink Julia was talking about the “Horse passport office” actualy.
Which actualy seems to be doing a better job than the PEOPLE passport office.
- Furor Teutonicus
September 26, 2014 at 10:08 am -
Hmm. Seem to have jumped threads.
The remark about them doing better stands though.
- Furor Teutonicus
- Furor Teutonicus
- Cascadian
September 25, 2014 at 10:18 pm -
Errr, there is some redundancy there JuliaM. Is not the EU filled with Jemimas and Peregrines?
- suffolkgirl
- suffolkgirl
- JuliaM
September 25, 2014 at 7:50 pm -
“…all three horse welfare representatives were agreed that the tide of public condemnation of charities that kill the animals they are supposed to be protecting ‘had turned’ – now they felt that it was a ‘reasonable course of action’.”
This on the day there was outrage, OUTRAGE! I tell you, about a racehorse with a shattered leg getting the bullet in the ‘Daily Mail’..?
- Ljh
September 25, 2014 at 8:07 pm -
I think fewer members of the public would object to shooting a few pikeys than their piebalds. Just the first dozen who leave their dobbins unattended and a danger to traffic: you may find their culture surprisingly amenable to change with the right incentives.
- Mudplugger
September 25, 2014 at 9:13 pm -
It could be treated as a formal training process for those less-than-effective badger-culling ‘marksmen’ – you don’t qualify as a professional to zap any Brocks until you’ve bagged at least a few brace of pikeys. Multi-skilling at work – it might just catch on.
- Mudplugger
- The Filthy Engineer
September 25, 2014 at 9:22 pm -
“gentle RSPCA lovingly stroking the animal is belied by the fact that in 2011 they slaughtered 44% of the animals brought into their care –”
I’m amazed that no-one seems to realise this fact. Their own telly adverts asking for your money, brazenly have a tickertape scroll proudly boasting that they rescue 110,000 animals per year. However it also states that they re-home 55,000. Does no-one ask “What ever happens to the rest?
It seems to me that they are far happier prosecuting old ladies with disabled cats than really caring about those animals. I really believe they are drunk on the powers that they’ve been given in recent years.- suffolkgirl
September 26, 2014 at 11:10 am -
Dunno, I’ve always assumed that humane killing of unwanted animals is part of the brief. When you talk about ‘really caring’ for animals what are you suggesting? A home for every dog,cat, horse or deer for ever and ever, amen?
I read plenty in the papers people who say they’ve done nothing wrong being prosecuted but a lot of them seem to be really gross neglect cases. The humans involved have usually been mad rather than bad, but I think the case is that unless they are prosecuted successfully they can’t be banned from animal keeping in the future.
- Dave the Dog
September 26, 2014 at 11:19 am -
“Does no-one ask “What ever happens to the rest?” More pertinately, why does no-one ask where do they constantly come from. If the public do not offer homes to the 55,000 and their is only ‘no kill’ shelters then the next year it would be 110,000 stacked up in the shelters and on and on. In the mean time the breeders are still pocketing their cash. No organisation could sustain that. The RSPCA, Local Authorities and small local Rescues are left with the aftermath and have to cope with the truly awful business of disposal. But that’s okay as long as Joe and Jane Public don’t have to see or acknowledge the truth. In animal related terms this ‘entitled’ society, this ‘throw away/disposable’ society has a lot to answer for. The RSPCA top brass seems to have lost it’s way, but the staff on the ground do their best with what their bosses and society allow them. By the way “I really believe they are drunk on the powers that they’ve been given in recent years.” they don’t have any ‘powers’ at all. None. I’ve worked with animals for 45 years and still do voluntary rescue work. Sometimes I’ve worked with the RSPCA and sometimes against them. When they need powers they have to ask the likes of me or the Police. The only power they have is to take private prosecutions but that is no more power than you or I have. Can you imagine what it would be like if there was no RSPCA at all. Anyway Rant now over.
- suffolkgirl
- Henry the Horse
September 26, 2014 at 1:14 pm -
I suspect the RSPCA is playing a bit fast with the figures if they say it cost two thousand quid for two weeks hay. Also why do they have to ring 75 offices? If there is a microchip system surely there is a single database? Also I find it hard to believe every horse gets only five to ten pounds at auction.
- Frankie
September 27, 2014 at 10:59 pm -
I was curious to discover that a certain individual had contributed to this discussion (about a uniformed organisation, complete with a rank structure but no actual authority other than as a private UK citizen) without ‘losing it’ completely!
Clearly, the tablets are working…
- Machiii
September 28, 2014 at 7:32 pm -
I don’t doubt what you put, Anna, but fail to see why this information is not available online? Or at least by sending one email to all the organisations who deal with microchips. Response, including nil returns by the middle of the next working day.
- Andrew Duffin
September 29, 2014 at 3:59 pm -
“The owners of land where fly-grazing occurs, as any law student could tell you, has a legal duty to compensate anyone who is damaged by anything escaping from his land”
I’m not sure this is even true.
If a horse on the public highway damages your vehicle, you will be unable to sue the little Penelope or Sophie who may be allegedly in control of it, because legally she isn’t – it’s a wild animal, and wild animals do things. Similarly, if a cow escapes from a field and does you damage, you’ll get nowhere suing Farmer Giles for not keeping his fences in order: beasts sometimes break fences, that’s a risk you take (not the farmer) and his insurance won’t pay up unless you can prove gross negligence.
I’m happy to be corrected but anyone who really knows, but the above is the situation related to me (not un-gleefully) but a number of farmers and horse-owners whose charges have caused (blameless) mayhem on the highways.
- Dave the Dog
September 29, 2014 at 11:21 pm -
Various legislation covers different species and acts. In the instances above the Animals Act 1971 Ch 22 covers the points given.
- Furor Teutonicus
September 30, 2014 at 8:00 am -
I’m not sure this is even true.
If a horse on the public highway damages your vehicle, you will be unable to sue the little Penelope or Sophie who may be allegedly in control of it, because legally she isn’t – it’s a wild animal, and wild animals do things.
Road traffic act; “Pig, dog, sheep, mule, horse, ass, cow.” Are animals (DOMESTICATED animals) for the purposes of road traffic accidents, and the Act.
This would even apply to WILD Welsh mountain, or Dartmoor ponys.
- Dave the Dog
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