Gordon Brown's Bouncing Bomb.
We’re all so ‘not going to be in this together’, promises #LAB14. Is that Minora or Majora?
In fact every special interest group is going to have its own parliament. Dozens of them. Hundreds of them. Especially in the Chilterns. Britain fragmented by Gordon’s Bouncing Bomb.
They will be able to raise their own taxes, utilise their own resources – good luck with that in Ladywood, Birmingham, but Aberdeen looks like a good bet for a future home – and decide how best to spend the money. Rochdale, Rotherham, Middlesborough and Bradford can invest in blow-up plastic dolls for every young man, could inward investment by Ann Summers be beckoning?
David Cameron has been on manoeuvres all week-end, zig–zagging across the no-man’s land of political empire building with all the dexterity of a special forces operative dodging bullets. We will, we won’t, we definitely will get a vote – nope, MPs will get a vote – on devolution for the English, as first Salmond, then Miliband, then Clegg tried to use the Scottish referendum result to shore up their vote.
Curiously, we find that the English have been forced to adopt the ‘Le Vell/Roach/DLT toe touching position’ of having been found not guilty of being predatory abusers of vulnerable Scots – but been handed the bill for having defended the Union. The race is on to pay the Scots shed loads of compensation for deciding to stick with us…
“An historic turning point in British history…”, “The impetus towards radical change is now unstoppable…”. We were ‘in the dock’ – and now the jury has spoken, the ‘not guilty’ verdict is being treated by campaigners as though we had ‘gotten away with it’ and should have to pay a penalty anyway.
A near forgotten MP, Gordon Brown, emerged from his lair a couple of days before the referendum date and announced the timetable by which justice would be obtained, closure, should the ‘wrong’ verdict be delivered and this, apparently, was the reason all 2 million ‘No’ voters suddenly veered away from voting ‘Yes’ and delivered this set-back to Salmond’s nirvana? That the bouncing bomb delivered by the ‘man who would be King’ was the deciding factor?
Cameron’s excitable St Vitus dance is all the more extraordinary for being in step with the malodorous drone of the Scottish windbag Brown – an ex-Prime Minister, and a Labour one at that. A resounding vote in favour of the status quo – and we can’t wait to pay compensation to the losing party?
By the end of the week-end, it seems we didn’t even want anything in return – I cheered on Friday as Cameron said English autonomy “must take place in tandem with, and at the same pace, as the settlement for Scotland”. By this morning that had turned into:
“There was an unambiguous commitment by the party leaders to deliver more devolution to Scotland on a clear timetable. That is not conditional on anything else. No ifs, no buts – that will occur.”
Tory MPs will be at Chequers tonight to hear how Clegg had thrown a spanner in the works and threatened to vote with Labour if his Tory partners didn’t dance to Gordon Browns’ tune.
These are extraordinary times. Salmond may not have won over the Scots to Nationalism-max, but he has done a wonderful job on the English – people who had never heard of the West Lothian question or the Barnett formula have been determinedly radicalised; even the apathetic have been roused from their slumber.
Letting Gordon Brown deliver the final solution was a master stroke – it served to remind us all of just how much we really don’t want Scottish MPs frittering away our geld for us.
Meanwhile, the media have a new supply of bogey-men and predatory behaviour to fashion their tales of horror and woe around – and Labour MPs go off to their annual conference to listen to ‘One Nation’ Miliband turn into wriggling fissiparous Miliband, licking their lips at the thought of all the new committees and legislative bodies they could sign up to.
The corpse of English nationalism is twitching. Nary a sign of the Fat Lady.
- eric hardcastle
September 22, 2014 at 11:11 am -
Yes or No the Scots were never going to lose.
- Joe Public
September 22, 2014 at 3:33 pm -
Yes or No the RUK was always going to lose.
- Joe Public
- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 11:15 am -
A more deliberate plan to boost the chances of UKIP I could not think of!
Meanwhile, all the companies who were in fear and trembling at the thought of having to relocate head offices to London are wiping their foreheads in relief, quite forgeting that some of us have long memories and will not be doing business with the jocks for a long time; the ‘Anglish’ are so terrible Jimmy? Go earn your own money then, you’ll have none of mine! - Moor Larkin
September 22, 2014 at 11:30 am -
William Hague is in charge of all of this now apparently. It seems very likely to me that the whole ‘process’ will become a major plank of next year’s General Election Manifesto’s. The General Election is only 7 months away folks. Only the Tories will be promising Home Rule for England – I suspect by simply withdrawing Scottish MP’s rights to vote on English legislation. The media is making a big snot about how such a thing is impossible, but it couldn’t be simpler – Parliament just needs to have the will to pass the rule. Labour are saying it’s impossible because without their Scottish Mafia they know they will have no majority. The Liberals are a spent force and Cameron knows that. The time to choose will be in 2015 folks and the Tories are also the only party that will be promising an EU referendum. This is the long game and so far as I can see Cameron is playing a blinder. Broon comes under the heading of useful idiot; no change there.
- Moor Larkin
September 22, 2014 at 11:34 am -
PS.
That should have read “by simply withdrawing Scottish, Welsh and Irish MP’s rights to vote on English legislation” - SK
September 22, 2014 at 1:59 pm -
Dont think that Labour will have many MPs in Scotland after the next election.
- Furor Teutonicus
September 22, 2014 at 2:44 pm -
You are making the mistake of thinking the general imbicilic voter links what they do in the ballot box with what happens in daily life.
They STILL seriously think, that when “Fred Mc Chav. M.P” sais he will fix the roads, that he will actualy DO that.
The evidence before their eyes means as much to them as the colour blue does to a man blind from birth.
There is, to put it in computer terms; “An interface disconect.”
“XYZ MP, is a right arsehole!” You point out the fact that they have voted for him three times does just not compute.
You can almost see in their eyes, raddled from Buckies (Ozzy whites in Liverpool) and white lightning, as they are “Huh? Whats voting got to do with it???”
- Bill
September 24, 2014 at 12:02 pm -
As they say , if voting changed things they wouldn’t let us do it .
- Bill
- Joe Public
September 22, 2014 at 3:36 pm -
To paraphrase The Sun, it sure wasn’t “The Conservatives wot won it”
- Furor Teutonicus
- Moor Larkin
- Furor Teutonicus
September 22, 2014 at 11:44 am -
xX A near forgotten MP, Gordon Brown, emerged from his lair XX Adrugs rehab center in the highlands of Sccotland.
- Joe Public
September 22, 2014 at 3:38 pm -
Not by the parliamentary payroll office.
Gordon Brown’s attendance record at Westminster is enough to raise consideration of a clocking-in system for MPs.
- Joe Public
- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 11:45 am -
“The time to choose will be in 2015 folks and the Tories are also the only party that will be promising an EU referendum”
But we’ve heard all his lies and blather and cast iron promises before – Cameron is a liar of insane proportion, I would not trust his telling me the sky was blue!
Set a date with the questions and options clearly set out NOW, invoke Article 50 NOW and I will vote for you , but your ‘cast iron’ promises you can stick up your brass arse! - Engineer
September 22, 2014 at 11:52 am -
In retrospect, the very idea of allowing Gordoom Broon anywhere near anything of any importance was (to put it mildly) somewhat unwise. However, we are where we are. All sides are frantically waving their arms about and panicking, Parliament hasn’t even had a chance to debate or vote on anything (which didn’t stop Salmond from claiming that everybody was reneging on deals left, right and centre).
Quite wisely, Cameron has recognised that there isn’t enough time before the next election to properly address the matter of fundamental constitutional reform, so he’s set up a holding exercise under Willy Hague to effectively mark time (and do some preliminary work) for the next government (whoever that might be – and Cameron is hoping it’s his gang) to address the matter in detail. He’s also cleverly made a statement about English votes for English laws that shoots UKIP’s fox (it’s a matter that will have to be dealt with, but only one among many), and given the Labour party a headache. Cameron can now conduct the next election on political ground of his choosing, especially if he accepts reality and links in a proper promise of a vote on EU membership.
If Cameron plays his cards patiently and carefully, he could take a small place in history as the PM who left the UK with a solid and fair constitutional settlement between the four nations that could last for generations, and give the Union real meaning.
Whether or not the whole lot turns round to bite him on the bum between now and next May remains to be seen.
- backofanenvelope
September 22, 2014 at 11:58 am -
A couple of months ago I attended the 200th anniversary celebration of a local Methodist chapel down here in Cornwall. Place was packed, over 300 people including a lot standing in the entrance foyer. All very Cornish. At the end, an elderly lady stood up and shouted (bellowed)
:Cornish born
:Cornish bred
:British by accident
:English – NEVER!!!!!Brought the house down.
- Moor Larkin
September 22, 2014 at 12:07 pm -
Good to know that Mrs. Paisley is still in good voice………
- backofanenvelope
September 22, 2014 at 1:08 pm -
Who is Mrs Paisley?
- Engineer
September 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm -
Her hubby recently passed over. – “NEVER! NEVER! NEVER! Never….”
- Engineer
- backofanenvelope
- Moor Larkin
- Dioclese
September 22, 2014 at 12:39 pm -
I’ve been banging on for years about the West Lothian question and that England is the only country in the UK without it’s own assembly. At last I see some movement on the former but have no great hopes about the latter…
Still, there’s always Ed Balls’ version of economic maths to keep us entertained later today!
- Moor Larkin
September 22, 2014 at 12:53 pm -
Ed Balls said on the wireless this morning, whilst defending the status-quo and demanding Scotland get it’s rights, that the “West Lothian” question had been around for 100 years and it was unrealistic to seek a “quick fix” now….. What a divvy.
- Moor Larkin
- Oswald Thake
September 22, 2014 at 12:44 pm -
Wonder who’s paying her pension?
- backofanenvelope
September 22, 2014 at 1:08 pm -
The central government, up in England, extracts about £200 million a year more than it puts into the Cornish pot.
- Engineer
September 22, 2014 at 1:19 pm -
They’re paying it to the Scots. Apparently, they each get paid £1600 a year more than anybody else. Or something like that….
- Peter Raite
September 22, 2014 at 5:34 pm -
IIRC, the Northern Irish get even more, and the Welsh a bit less. Obviously collectively it works out at a lot less than £1,600 per English head.
- Peter Raite
- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 1:21 pm -
And???
How much do you think is taken from the Greater London area? Do you not think MY streets could do with looking after too or is it only these faux minorities wittering on about wars from 1500 years ago and bleating about the hardness of their lot who get to complain?
Perhaps I should start a ‘free Hillingdon’ party and grab all the income from Heathrow and the surrounding Industrial Estates.
Come to think of it, I could be king; King Robert the Hairy, has a certain ring to it- AdrianS
September 22, 2014 at 2:47 pm -
Hail King Robert the Hairy, your Triumph awaits
- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 2:54 pm -
Forward my small but loopy army
- Backwoodsman
September 22, 2014 at 6:29 pm -
Norton my behalf.
- Robert the Biker
- The Jannie
September 23, 2014 at 11:47 am -
I had the misfortune to spend 36 hours in the nation’s armpit over the weekend. King Bob, you can 4king well keep it! I do like your totally accurate faux minorities comment!
- Moor Larkin
September 23, 2014 at 11:58 am -
Free Pimlico! 1949
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJjMDWeMYN4- Furor Teutonicus
September 23, 2014 at 2:47 pm -
BRILLIANT film!
One of those boring, wet, Sundayafternoon jobs.
I believe a LOT of potential suicides were stopped by this kind of film.
At least we had SOMETHING that was not “Harry bloody seacome sings to God”, Arthur bastarding Negus singing for a bit of old woodOr Thorra fucking Hurd singing for Jesus, or whatever.
SHIT were Sunday boring until the afternoon film came on!
- Furor Teutonicus
- AdrianS
- johnS
September 22, 2014 at 2:56 pm -
“The central government, up in England, extracts about £200 million a year more than it puts into the Cornish pot.”
I’m sot sure why you would expect the same back.
For a start there’s the EU and foreign aid to pay for!- Engineer
September 22, 2014 at 3:50 pm -
Not to mention interest on Gordon Broon’s debt, defence, the NHS and Welfare. Somewhat more than 50% of the demands on the public purse, between them.
- Engineer
- Peter Raite
September 22, 2014 at 5:33 pm -
Prosperous areas support less-/non-prosperous areas – shock-horror!
- Engineer
- Hysteria
September 22, 2014 at 1:31 pm -
Hmmmmm……..
So
The question is, do the English consider themselves a part of a sovereign, unified nation, or not?
If not, we can be balkanised and cantonised and be part of a pathetically minor confederation moored off the coast of France.
- Furor Teutonicus
September 22, 2014 at 1:42 pm -
FREEDOM FOR CHESHIRE!!!
- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 1:50 pm -
You can be my General when I take over
- Moor Larkin
September 22, 2014 at 1:50 pm -
So cheesey
- Furor Teutonicus
September 22, 2014 at 2:19 pm -
Yes very good. When I am General, you can be my cheese maker in chief.
Blessed are the cheese makers!
- Engineer
September 22, 2014 at 2:27 pm -
*grin* Don’t be catty…
- Furor Teutonicus
- Robert the Biker
- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 1:49 pm -
You say this as though it was the English doing this; we are just the mugs who are expected to pay for it all. There is a spirit of devolution (from us, not our money) in Scotland, Wales, Norn Iron and now Cornwall. Doubtless there are people in the Hebrides who are less than enamoured of Edinburgh as a capital. We are scarcely alone in this, the Euro craps are also worried about desires for splits in Belgium, Flemish v Walloons, in Spain with the issue of Catalonia and the ever present Basque issue, Germany with calls for a free Bavaria and the Languedoc in France wishing autonomy and reviving Occitan. This is by no means a definitive list!
- Moor Larkin
September 22, 2014 at 1:54 pm -
Left, left, I had a good life but I left. I left because I thought it was right. Left, right left.
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2014/09/09/the-domino-effect-from-scotlands-referendum-is-increasing-demands-for-independence-in-italian-regions/- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 2:00 pm -
The Italians too? I suppose there is quite a North/South thing there, certainly was last time I visited.
- Robert the Biker
- Moor Larkin
- Little Black Sambo
September 22, 2014 at 4:43 pm -
When I lived in Kent we used to say wogs begin at Sidcup.
- Robert the Biker
September 22, 2014 at 5:00 pm -
In my case, wogs begin at number 12
- Furor Teutonicus
September 22, 2014 at 5:16 pm -
We have one here, similar;
“All South of Potsdam are Austrians, all West are French. All North of Oranienburg are Swedish, and all East of Königs Wüsterhausen are Russians.”
- Mudplugger
September 22, 2014 at 5:21 pm -
Accurate maybe, but not quite as pithy, I suggest.
- Mudplugger
- David
September 23, 2014 at 10:04 am -
G’day Robert,
Greetings from the Land Down Under. Your little quote brought a smile to the face. Both my grandfathers did a guided tour of parts of Europe 1915 to 1918. One was fond of saying “The Wogs begin at Calais and go East” Used to annoy him greatly when we reminded him of the fact that if it hadn’t been for some doctrinal problems in 16thC Brittainy we may still have been Wogs. We of course are now well south so not included in the definition of “Wog”.
- Furor Teutonicus
- Robert the Biker
- Furor Teutonicus
- Hysteria
September 22, 2014 at 2:22 pm -
I think this emotive cry of “Freedom!” is a short-hand for an emotional appeal backed up by nothing of any substance. Freedom from what, precisely? That was the problem with the false prospectus of the Scots Nats – leave Westminster and have your policy set by Brussels , and declare that as “freedom from English oppression” –
Pathetic…..
- Joe Public
September 22, 2014 at 3:47 pm -
“…. Miliband turn into wriggling fissiparous Miliband….”
Bloody hell. That’s eligible for the Reader’s Digest ‘Word Power’ quiz.
I’m not too proud to admit my ignorance, and, that it had eluded my vocabulary since my very 1st ‘English’ lesson. At first sight, I’d assumed it was one of Madame’s rare Spoonerisms. [No offence]
- Engineer
September 22, 2014 at 3:56 pm -
At first sight, I thought that one would defeat my old Concise Oxford – but no! It came up trumps. ‘Reproducing by fission’ apparently.
Mind you, the mental image of Milipede Minor reproducing by any means, fissile or otherwise, rather soured the morning cup of coffee. Probably not quite the intention the Landlady had in mind whilst typing, I freely accept.
- Engineer
- Fat Steve
September 22, 2014 at 3:57 pm -
So the outcome of the referendum on Scottish independence will be greater democracy and fairness for all eh? Well I wonder if that will be the case —another administrative layer quite possibly with some regional parliament or parliaments for England but with it is likely to come another raft of administrators —I would say burocrats but that I think is too kind a description for the sort of ‘administrator’ that seems to find his or her place in regional or local government (think County Council or NHS Trust) — I think professional Enforcer might be a more apt though I have read that class of civil servant described as the new Praetorian Class —the child services department at Rotherham being a microcosm of the sort of which I am thinking —Accountable ??? —Gosh the head of child services was Police Commissioner and clung on —being removed not by being accountable to Parliament (see his performance in front of the select Committee) but for reasons that will probably never be disclosed —and the civil servant Thakar (spelling ??) who clung on resigning not because she was held to democratic account but again for reasons that will probably never come to light. What also of the highest paid County Council Chief Executive at Suffolk County Council who eventually resigned reluctantly.
Start I think by addressing issues of accountability in Society before handing out power to yet more people who are unlikely to be accountable if the present model is replicated at a regional level.- Backwoodsman
September 22, 2014 at 6:39 pm -
Hopefully you are wrong here, Fat Steve. I suspect that the Tory backbenchers will have told Cameron in no uncertain terms that their post bags indicate that anything other than excluding Scottish MP’s from certain Westminster debates, will get them lynched.
If you read the comments column on any story in any paper, that is the verdict.
- Backwoodsman
- Cascadian
September 22, 2014 at 9:38 pm -
Any country that sub-contracts it’s future to plans by Gordon Brown, Danny Alexander and Alistair Darling with a veto by Nick Clegg frankly deserves everything that is coming to it. To believe that their solution will not be horrendously expensive to English taxpayers is naive in the extreme.
As for camoron, he performed as expected-dismally, and his actions since the referendum show his desperation. That he is now considering devolution of powers to regions and cities is crazy, was nothing learned from the GLC experiment and poll tax riots, still that is camoron for you. Fat Steve explains well what is in your future should you submit.
As to calling the upcoming gabfest a constitutional debate, one is left spluttering, it certainly falls far short of the deliberations of the US constitution, excludes those affected, and is led by a “man” who is enthralled by Angelina Jolie’s political efforts.
Perhaps , just perhaps it would be helpful for the English to read Tom Paine’s – Common Sense before they accept even more government over their blighted lives. For those adverse to yankie interference into their blessed deliberations, allow me to remind then that Tom Paine hailed from Thetford, Norfolk.
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