One day 'An eminent Lord' – and the next – 'A Child Sex Apologist'
My, oh, my – the Conspiri-loons are fair drumming their heels in the Twitter aisles this morning. Monstrous tantrums. So near the sweetie counter – and yet so far!
Was it only Monday – two days ago – that Baroness Elizabeth Butler-Sloss was being hailed as an ’eminent Lord’ along with the Bishop of Durham for heeding their call for an ‘overarching inquiry’ into child abuse?
Every inquiry is ‘overarching’ these days, and none can be more overarching than an inquiry into the inquiries currently running which includes an inquiry into an inquiry into an inquiry that is the Macur inquiry. We need a portmanteau word. An ‘ArchInq’? Or perhaps merely a ‘KerchInk’ to reflect the handsome lawyer’s fees greasing the tracks.
A bare 48 hours later, after it is announced that Baroness Elizabeth is to head such an inquiry – and she has become that most demonised of characters – a ‘child sex-apologist’.
It seems that Baroness Elizabeth, like British Rail snow, is the ‘wrong kind of woman’, the ‘wrong kind of double-barrelled name’, the ‘wrong kind of Parliamentarian’, and the ‘wrong kind of lawyer’ to say nothing of the ‘wrong kind of children’s champion’ to be entrusted with the delicate task of proving that every teenager from the 1970s is entitled to some sort of compensation for something. It an outrage, an obvious white-wash before it begins.
Is she the ‘wrong kind of woman’? ‘Tis true, throughout her long and distinguished career, she has never, not once, called for Supreme Court Judges to be allowed to breastfeed whilst deliberating on matters of life and death; nor has she lobbied for 50% of the Supreme Court to be a woman only ‘white list’. She failed miserably to be part of the avant-guarde PIE supporting members of the NCCL like dear Harriet Harman who would have been an excellent choice in their eyes. The Baroness is obviously in denial and a rape culture apologist, for not once has she squeaked that a powerful and intimidating be-robed figure brushed too close to her ‘with obvious sexual intent’ as she went about her business.
What sort of a woman is that? Overnight they have dug through the cuttings libraries and uncovered the well-lubricated occasion on which her husband, a tad unwisely, admitted to enjoying the company of prostitutes whilst he was a High Court Judge in Kenya and she was, er, upholding the rights of children in England….dreadful woman! How dare she hold her marriage together! Even that piece of dirt was not sufficient for the rabid hordes, they are now tweeting that he used ‘under-age child prostitutes’ in Kenya and citing the News of the World article as proof – without linking to it, naturally, for it wouldn’t do to have their sycophantic followers find out that the article said nothing of the sort.
And wasn’t her brother Attorney-General when Sir Peter Hayman left a packet of pornographic material involving young children on a London bus? And when he discovered that the law then extant didn’t allow prosecution for such an offence where the material had not been ‘unsolicited’ nor ‘traded for profit’, and that the law gave him no means to prosecute Sir Peter Hayman. He should have bent the law! Bent it, I tell you. Strange how few people mention that Keith Vaz was Solicitor of the borough council alleged to have hidden the evidence of what went on in Elm House…..nor that Vaz should be so offended by the appointment of a civl servant to investigate the missing dossier, but uphold Peter Wanless as suitable to investigate – has he forgotten? Peter Wanless – PPS both to the former Chief Secretary of the Treasury & to the former Secretary of State for Employment – Michael Portillo. That Peter Wanless, former civil servant.
Worse, at a time when it was against the law to name people in such situation – he actually invoked the law to complain when Geoffrey Dickens, role model for Tom Watson, used parliamentary privilege to name Sir Peter Hayman as a paedophile in the House of Commons. What sort of Attorney-General upholds the law and fails to bend it? A ‘child sex apologist’ obviously.
One commentator in the times, Julian Fellowes, wrote at the time – 30 years ago:
‘Thoroughly revolted as I am by the Paedophiliac Society with all its professed aims, I feel I cannot be alone this week in being almost as disgusted by the spectacle of a Tory MP dangling his victim over the slavering jaws of the media.
‘The feeblest student of human nature must surely be aware of how slight the connexion between pornography and practices need be.
‘To flirt with fetishes is hardly rare in the best circles . . . now he has to have his life, public and private, more thoroughly smashed than if he had murdered his kinsman in broad daylight.
‘It is particularly depressing that Salem-like justice should be meted out by a Conservative Party (MP) . . . their one faintly convincing battle cry has always been the importance of championing the rights of the individual against the so-called good of the faceless, heartless state.’
In an echo of Moor Larkin’s excellent article on ‘Nazification‘, the principle of eugenics is implied again as her Father becomes ‘an evil judge who condemned to death a battered woman who was hanged because he would not allow the jury to hear about her physical and sexual abuse at the hands of the man who died’. Indeed, her Father was the judge who heeded the jury’s ‘guilty of murder’ verdict long before ‘battered woman syndrome’ became the perfect excuse for everything, and sentenced Ruth Ellis to hang. Anti-RadFem thinking obviously runs in the family.
Is Baroness Butler-Sloss the ‘wrong kind of double-barrelled name’ – certainly the eminent Chewing Gum-shoe thinks so. Thrilled by the appointment of ex-Lottery Chief Peter Wanless to the ‘Missing Dossier’ inquiry, he must have gone to bed hugging himself – ‘It could be You’ – who would head up the overarching inquiry?
Isn’t he a fully qualified ‘investigator’ with 30 years experience of ‘looking at child abuse images’? How his heart must have been thumping! Hours later he was settling for second in command:
As of this morning, still no sign that he has been called. I fear his CV is more on the missing list than Geoffrey Dickens dossier could ever be….
Talking of ‘missing dossiers’, isn’t it odd that the only missing dossier anyone is concerned with is the one handed to the Leon Brittan? The other ‘dossier’, the one held by the person who had been at Geoffrey Dickens right hand for all those years, who had fielded the phone calls, served sherry at the late night conferences, been party to all the pieces of evidence as they were painstakingly gathered, day by day – well, we know what happened to that dossier. ‘That’ dossier was deliberately destroyed, hidden from the public gaze, put on a bonfire to permanently ‘protect those named’ – by dear Geoffrey’s wife…funny how nobody mentions that.
A new petition has been hastily arranged and the conspiriloons gathered to add their names. The relics of the Jersey Haute de la Garenne – Stuart ‘it wasn’t a coconut shell’ Syvret , dear little Andrea popped up from exile, Beatrix ‘there is so Satanic Abuse’ Campbell and of course roly-poly Tom Watson…so good to see so many old faces dutifully on parade in the middle of the night.
So many tantrums, so few characters.
For the last thing that those who were celebrating the final victory of ‘Giving Victims a Voice’ were expecting would be the appointment of the woman who gave them inspiration for that phrase, the woman who coined the term ‘Listen to the Children’ nearly 30 years ago.
The woman whose work in the Cleveland Inquiry led to a radical reappraisal of child protection. The woman who is politically neither ‘left nor right’, but a cross-bencher. The woman who has sat for 30 years in the Family Courts listening to lying Mothers and dissembling Fathers, bullied children, abused children, manipulative children – and the totally innocent; the battered wife, the cowed husband, the frightened child. Learning how to decipher the signals telling her which is the true victim, who is speaking the truth.
A woman who has repeatedly upheld the interest of abused children above all else.
Obviously not what they wanted at all.
They are petitioning government to have her removed before her feet touch the ground, and replaced by one of them…they want real ‘paedo-hunters’ to head this inquiry, not some independent, fair minded, judge who knows what she’s talking about.
*Edited to add: His best yet….h/t to RetroCool73.
“Won’t somebody give me the job, pretty please?”
- EyesWideShut
July 9, 2014 at 11:09 am -
Anna, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I think we are in new territory. The old formula of bringing in a respected judicial figure to head up an enquiry in the expectation that their findings will be broadly accepted is so twentieth-century. The vast international paedo-conspiracy-mongers will settle for nothing but a complete capitulation to the wildest fantasising on the Internet. If Butler-Sloss, or anyone else, fails to give them this, their enquiry will be dismissed as a whitewash. This is not about facts – it is about belief.
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 11:31 am -
Sloss? Schloss? Clearly one of those Germans hiding in plain sight…
Lawyers aint what they used to be it seems:
LONDON – British barrister and intelligence consultant Michael Shrimpton plans to launch a vigorous defense on charges of making false claims to British government officials that a terrorist nuclear attack was under way during the 2012 Olympics in London, raising the possibility documents and testimony he plans to subpoena will embarrass the U.K., German and U.S. governments.
http://www.wnd.com/2014/04/obama-eligibility-source-could-embarrass-u-s-u-k/
“Shrimpton believes Madeleine McCann was murdered in or about December 2008, after she had been transported by German submarine to pedophile rings operating in Argentina and Chile.” - Ian B
July 9, 2014 at 12:18 pm -
Well I was going to say that, but you’ve just said it EyesWideShut, so I don’t need to bother then.
We are on extremely thin ice as a society. In fact, we seem to have already fallen through it.
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 12:27 pm -
A society that relies on the Media for it’s belief is being traduced by that media. The landlady started her blogging career on this very worry, mais non?
“Search Results
Anna Raccoon — A jaundiced view of the main stream media.”
- Moor Larkin
- Jonathan Mason
July 9, 2014 at 12:50 pm -
The old formula of bringing in a respected judicial figure to head up an enquiry in the expectation that their findings will be broadly accepted is so twentieth-century.
The Hutton Report cleared the Blair administration of the ludicrous charge of having “sexed up” the Iraq weapons of mass destruction and germ warfare dossier so as to mislead the cabinet into approving a completely unnecessary vanity war initiated by George W. Bush and thus saving the world, but still some people have not yet accepted the complete impartiality of that report.
The fact is that there will always be some twits on twitter and some people who believe the whole world is a massive paedo conspiracy, just like there were people walking around Liverpool fifty years ago with sandwich boards proclaiming that the end was nigh. It is still nigh, and always has been nigh, and always will be nigh if you look at it from the right angle.
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 12:53 pm -
Cameron is of course still holding back on the release of his related weapon of mass destruction of New Labour, waiting for the right moment, which won’t be until 2015, so… if they can get rid of him before then… Problem solved.
- Mr Ecks
July 9, 2014 at 3:15 pm -
Can anybody clarify something for me?. Is this Baroness Schloss investigation instead of the announced NSPCC caper or as well as?
Also does anybody know when the delayed Saville/BBC report is coming out?.
Thanks
- Mr Ecks
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Chris
July 9, 2014 at 11:24 am -
To see (daughter of ‘world banker’) Cristina Odone arguing with Frank Furedi that “we should have protected children from Jimmy Savile and Rolf Harris” on Newsnight was, for me, the cherry on top of the icing on the cake. This country is completely insane.
People of the UK are being told what privilege is (or isn’t) by the privileged, alongside other dubious “ordinary people” such as solicitors, public school-educated journalists, police chiefs, members of Parliament and paedohunting sons-of-doctors (all traditional bastions of the struggling working, I’m sure you will agree). And anyone who disagrees is an apologist, a denier or even – to quote the ever-shy Peoples Champion George Galloway “carefully co-ordinating members of a weird libertarian cult” (meaning Spiked Online).- Mr Wray
July 9, 2014 at 5:07 pm -
libertarian cult ??
An oxymoron surely?
- Mr Wray
- Joe Public
July 9, 2014 at 11:28 am -
Anna, the Tweets remain illegible when clicked
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 11:38 am -
I can read them without even clicking on them.
- Mudplugger
July 9, 2014 at 9:36 pm -
Your eyesight was obviously not compromised by over-enthusiasm in your youth.
- Mudplugger
- Moor Larkin
- Johnny Monroe
July 9, 2014 at 11:30 am -
MWT is increasingly reminding me of the kid in class who always puts his hand up whenever the teacher asks a question, whether he knows the answer or not. Me, sir! Sir, look at me! Please, sir! Or not unlike old Jonesy forever volunteering for every exercise Captain Mainwaring announces, despite the head of the platoon knowing how incapable he’ll be of carrying it out. Sad, desperate little man.
- JuliaM
July 9, 2014 at 8:19 pm -
We’ll wait for him after school & shove his head down the bog! Who’s with me?
- Frankie
July 9, 2014 at 10:38 pm -
Me!! I’ll grab his feet… do the job properly!
- Gil
July 9, 2014 at 11:01 pm -
What’s the next level? https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/486083700694978560
- corevalue
July 10, 2014 at 1:22 am -
And a “trigger” warning in the comments. My dad used to say, “When you go out in the world son, wear a thick skin and a smile”.
- corevalue
- Frankie
- JuliaM
- Joe Public
July 9, 2014 at 11:44 am -
Operation Pied Piper began on 1 September 1939, and evacuated 3.5 million people, mostly kids born in the 1930s.
They were dispersed to all the remote corners of the UK, and even Canada.
They were entrusted to any & everyone, long before the Disclosure and Barring Service (previously CRB) industry was conceived.
Undoubtably there some sexual opportunists who took advantage of their charges.
Its very strange that there were so few reports of molestation.
- Jonathan Mason
July 9, 2014 at 12:15 pm -
That is because the BBC was in its infancy, radio and not TV, and mostly occupied with producing a very different kind of propaganda. Also there was no Internet, pornography was still in black and white, Fanny Hill was still banned, Savile was only 13, and strippers at the Rainbow Theatre were not allowed to twerk, and praepostors roasted their fags on an open fire at Eton, then buggered them for dessert. How utterly British we all were back then!
- Jonathan Mason
July 9, 2014 at 12:41 pm -
Canings or slipperings on the bottom, possibly the bare bottom were the order of the day in the preparatory (prep) schools and private boarding (public) schools of the day at the hands of kinky masters. However this was not regarded as child abuse at the time and for upper class boys receiving a good whipping or two was regarded as excellent preparation for a future career as a high court judge or cabinet minister. The idea that there was a kind of interregnum between the kinky Victorian days of child prostitution and the arrival of Radio One is probably misleading. Press reporting was very limited, and during the constitutional crisis of 1936, for example, the general public knew very little about the sex life of King Edward VIII, as even to admit that he had gonads would have been very shocking at the time as no one had the balls to do so.
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 12:45 pm -
@Jomathan Mason
Cobblers. The problem with Mrs. Simpson was that…. she was Mrs. Simpson – divorced. Immorality incarnate.- Peter Raite
July 9, 2014 at 5:17 pm -
And American.
- Jonathan Mason
July 9, 2014 at 5:30 pm -
My understanding is that she was able to deliver a decent blow job, a skill that had not yet been acquired by many English young ladies, other than possibly Lady Chatterley, the coal-owners daughter, which the press would not have been able to mention. However perhaps this is an urban myth type thing that formed part of smutty schoolboy discourse when I were a lad, so I would not count on it. Interestingly, her first husband was called Earl Spencer. Now where have I heard that name before?
http://scandalouswoman.blogspot.com/2007/12/duchess-of-windsor-woman-who-would-have.html
- Peter Raite
- Moor Larkin
- erichardcastle
July 9, 2014 at 1:20 pm -
Indeed . Just been to the funeral of a good pal who was gay .
He was evacuated at age 10 from London to Melbourne a the beginning of WW2 and boarded at a Catholic school.
He is mystified as to all the assaults claimed as no-one ever laid a hand on him.
he loved telling the story ” I flirted like crazy with some of the more handsome Priests and try as I might, not one ever responded”- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 1:38 pm -
@Eric
How did he fare amongst the other boys? I was reading the 1960’s documents relating to one of the first Priests to fall foul of all this sort of thing in America and it appeared from reading those old documents that he got involved in some kind of DIY counselling/sex education. He went where angels feared to tread perhaps.
- Moor Larkin
- Jonathan Mason
- Jonathan Mason
July 9, 2014 at 12:01 pm -
Twitter is open to all kinds of nuts. Best to ignore it altogether.
http://www.oppictures.com/SINGLEIMAGES/500/OFX00139_1_2.JPG
- Bunny
July 9, 2014 at 12:06 pm -
Anna, come on, you know that Harriet Harman is the perfect person to lead the enquiry into paedophiles acting at the highest levels of government, she worked with them when she was at the Council for Civil Liberties. Knows them all well and has a good working relationship with them, surely she is perfect for the job.
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 12:35 pm -
One man’s Paedophile is another man’s Freedom Fighter.
http://uk.ask.com/question/who-said-one-mans-terrorist-is-another-mans-freedom-fighter
- Moor Larkin
- erichardcastle
July 9, 2014 at 1:00 pm -
Speaking of MWT- someone has alerted me to his IMBD profile which is quite funny. His press release style ‘bio’ is far longer than most Hollywood superstars. Usually agents write these things for their clients and the whole thing is not meant to be a personal advertisement but a listing for the media and researchers so they can quickly check what actors, producers , directors etc are working on currently or in the past or future.
The person who alerted me seemed quite impressed with the “nearly 30 years in child abuse” ex copper’s claim to have worked on dramas until I responded that I too had worked on major film productions- but only to answer a phone quick call from a pal re : “what sort of tracking device would be used in this situation and where I could find one” etc etc and that half hour phone call which you can invoice for also gives you the right to a credit if wanted. But why bother when no-one reads the credits?. The man is living in a world of fantasy. As we all know.another excellent article by Ms Raccoon.
- EyesWideShut
July 9, 2014 at 10:21 pm -
He’s basically Derek Acorah of “Most Haunted.”. Google Kreed Kafer – Acorah.
Of course it’s telly, he’s most interested in. That should be obvious. Can’t sing, can’t dance, can’t act, can’t write, can’t produce, can’t figure out tech, but hey-ho, show biz is where he wants to be. Whether he admits it to himself or not.
I sometimes wonder how much human misery might have been avoided if only people with no talent whatsoever for the performing arts had not tried so hard to find a substitute for them in their own fields of endeavour.
- EyesWideShut
- Engineer
July 9, 2014 at 1:03 pm -
I’ve actually met some children, albeit only occasionally. That certainly rules me out of the job. Shame; looked like it could be a nice little earner.
Oh well. Back to the drawing board for me….
- erichardcastle
July 9, 2014 at 1:15 pm -
Nothing knew to see here : link tweeted by a barrister known in these circles”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noel_Pemberton_Billing
Noel Pemberton Billing MP 1881-1948Noel Pemberton Billing took the view that homosexuality was infiltrating and tainting English society, and that this was linked to German espionage in the context of World War I. He founded a journal, Imperialist, in which he wrote an article based on information provided by Harold Sherwood Spencer which claimed that the Germans were blackmailing “47,000 highly placed British perverts” to “propagate evils which all decent men thought had perished in Sodom and Lesbia.”
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 1:51 pm -
Relevant to Jonathan Mason talking about the abdication, an account of the “Society Gossip” at the time was that Mrs. Simpson was actually a man or some kind of hermaphrodite. This seemed to have been mostly based on her angular, lean looks. The vilification of Camilla as being equine seems to show little has changed when the Royals get their mojo working.
- Daisy Ray
July 9, 2014 at 6:28 pm -
Conspies always have a list, don’t they? Matthew Hopkins claimed to have a list of all the witches in England. And Tom Watkin’s muse, Peter McKelvie has one too, which seems to have magically grown from 10 to 20 names of politicians depending which newspaper you read. As he’s described as a former civil servant, I wonder if he was behind the Express story about security services funding PIE so they could lure important people in to blackmail. Which seems a lot of money to invest in a policy unlikely to provide rapid or, indeed, any results.
- Daisy Ray
July 10, 2014 at 5:09 pm -
Whoops – the civil servant turns out to be someone else altogether. Still going strong on the blackmail story though. As with Kincora, you wonder why spooks would concentrate on the (surely small?) number of influential people who were homosexual pedophiles. I’d have thought call girls, cocaine or simply money were more effective ways of corrupting politicians. And what were they blackmailing them* for*?
- Daisy Ray
- Mr Ecks
July 10, 2014 at 12:27 am -
“propagate evils which all decent men thought had perished in Sodom and Lesbia.” ???
Sodom was destroyed but the Island of Lesbos is still there.
- Moor Larkin
- Norman Brand
July 9, 2014 at 1:18 pm -
In this piece Anna, do you actually mean ‘Sir Peter HAVERS’ because there are some references in recent reports to a Sir Peter HAYMAN who might be more appropriate to your context here. I recall that Sir Michael Havers was attorney general at one time and, according to recent reports again, is /was, the brother of Lady Butler-Sloss. Apologies if I’m wrong about any of this. Regards.
- Carol42
July 9, 2014 at 1:51 pm -
Given her record on the Cleveland enquiry I think she is an excellent choice but the fanatics will never be happy unless it is one of their own. I saw the reference about the duplicate dossier being destroyed, haven’t seen anything about it since, very strange.
- Ian B
July 9, 2014 at 2:08 pm -
It’s also pretty astonishing that Beatrix “Shieldfield” Campbell has the sheer gall to pontificate about the proper conduct of an enquiry.
- Peter Raite
July 9, 2014 at 5:26 pm -
Probably thought the job should have been handed to her. On a silver tray.
Too soon…?
- Ian B
July 9, 2014 at 6:06 pm -
/me gets “silver tray” reference
- Duncan Disorderly
July 9, 2014 at 8:38 pm -
http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk/bcamp.htm
“November 1990: Beatrix Campbell writes for Marxism Today, about : ‘the latest horror story, ritualised sexual abuse, a culture of sexual terrorism, power and sacrifice.’ that people who ‘respect children’s accounts of ‘satanic’ or ritualised abuse aren’t taken seriously’. She maintains that there is ‘an inability to imagine that ‘satanic’ practices actually happen, that ‘organising rituals to penetrate any orifice available in troops of little children; to cut open rabbits or cats or people and drink their blood; to shit on silver trays and make the children eat it’ are too horrific to be accepted…”
It must be a nightmare job polishing up the silver after one of those rituals.
- EyesWideShut
July 9, 2014 at 10:11 pm -
She must be fun at a dinner party.
Bea Campbell – Marxist my left buttock. When Princess Diana died, she went on a grief bender that was a sight to behold in the Graun. Her thesis was, if I recall, that “the class system” had destroyed this perfect specimen of the aristocracy, because she was really you know, in her heart, a peasant girl as the type has been celebrated for centuries, and if Trotsky were living now, you may bet he would have indicted the century in her name. And what’s more Julie Burchill agreed with her, so it must be right!
Talk about educated beyond your intelligence.
- EyesWideShut
- Duncan Disorderly
- Ian B
- Peter Raite
- Fat Steve
July 9, 2014 at 2:22 pm -
The reaction to the appointment of Butler Sloss is entirely predictable —though it would have probably been unthinkable not so long ago Why the change ? Well there is a feeling (probably most strongly held by those in the law) that the Judiciary has become more (I don’t claim it was ever perfect) politicised starting perhaps with Lord Donaldson and the increased use of the law by Politicians since that time to kick issues into the long grass. Whats more there have enquiries that have been repeated till the desired politically correct answer has been found
Secondly everyone sees themselves as an ‘expert’ whose opinion is as good as anyone elses whatever their level of expertise —democratic /audience empowerment. Yes MWT’s volunteering his opinion on how a very senior member of the Judiciary ought to conduct an enquiry (and hinting that perhaps she might not unless she takes his advice).
Actually Anna this is the very point that has been behind my concern and interest about the Savile matter apart from why he enjoyed such importance in his life —-the present inability of English Society to have ANY mechanism or institution in which it has faith to address really important issues —Who does one trust? the Government? Parliament? the Judiciary? the Media ? How about the great institutions ? The NHS? The BBC ? The Church of England ? The Aristocracy (woops the House of Lords no longer exists) The Monarchy (after Lady Di ?) The Civil Service ? What about the individual Good and the Great ? Ha! the likes of Savile.perhaps? Tony Blair the regular sort of guy? or the Butler Slosses of the world?
The Savile matter and how it is being addressed is entertainment pretty much for the public notwithstanding paedophilia is a serious matter —-but what of something far graver? not necessarily national security but say financial —- broader more far reaching issues that need absolute integrity and faith in that integrity for them to be addressed satisfactorily?
The interesting question is what will be the outcome if the trend one might discern continues—-characteristically it was always the military that stepped in once there was no cohesion based on trust and a big enough crisis —that’s unlikely to happen nowadays —–so what happens if something big comes along with huge repercussions and there is no satisfactory mechanism that enjoys the trust of Society? —and if there is no satisfactory mechanism in place how one deals with issues personally in that Society cannot satisfactorily address them on ones behalf .- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 2:25 pm -
That’s why they invented facebook and twitter…
- Ian B
July 9, 2014 at 2:55 pm -
The intended “institution” in which we are supposed to put our faith is the NGOs, activists, pressure groups etc. They are the latest social formation in our history to declare “philosopher king” status. In this case for instance, people like the NSPCC. Everyone else is suspect, but they are “independent”. That’s your answer.
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 5:15 pm -
Reading the Appendices to the Broadmoor Report, there is a document about the chaos at the place after Pat McGrath retired. The Guards/Nurses were going on strike, leaving the prisoners/patients locked in their cells/rooms for 23 hours a day… Anyhow, cutting through the crap, the new broom in the Dept., a chap called Graham, evidently despaired of all the “experts” and the Civil Servants who had allowed these High Security places to deteriorate into such fiascos. That is one reason Dr. Savile was co-opted onto the Task Force – he was seen as having clear, fresh pair of eyes with no flannel of office to live up to, and everyone was taking advice from him because he helped them see a way through the apparent dead-end.
I can only hope Peter Wanless gets the same appreciation as Jimmy in due course……..
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Fat Steve
July 9, 2014 at 2:23 pm -
Mind you I suppose there is always the Racccoon Arms
- Misa
July 9, 2014 at 4:43 pm -
Steve,
It was a pertinent question. I’m just sorry that you answered it for us.
- Misa
- Belinus
July 9, 2014 at 2:47 pm -
When Butler-Sloss headed the Cleveland ‘child abuse’ Inquiry, it was said “She brought a breath of fresh air” to it. True, her Inquiry showed that the parents were NOT abusers, as they were accused of being by two very dodgy doctors (I don’t think the doctors were disciplined, but I think they were banned from treating children in future).
However, none seem to have noticed one outrageous threat made by Butler-Sloss.
She warned the parents that if they dared speak to The Press, “You may never see your children again”.
NOTE: This would not be because they were bad parents (which they weren’t), but as a punishment for daring to disobey her! Such is the arrogance of these people.- Jonathan Mason
July 9, 2014 at 5:36 pm -
Not very nice to threaten to blind people.
- Jonathan Mason
- EyesWideShut
July 9, 2014 at 3:18 pm -
There have always been a small group of people who believe in outlandish conspiracies. Furthermore, we would do well not to swallow everything that is handed down to us by a respected Judge . They haven’t always got it right in the past either.
The difference nowadays is that the loonies have been mainstreamed by the legal profession, the child protection industry, the media and a host of other professionals who really should know better. Moreover, a whole swathe of the population seems to have abandoned the notion that there are any such things as objective facts: it all depends on how deeply we “feel” something is the case. Facts are whatever we want them to be. This goes well beyond simply losing faith in the “Great and the Good” to get to the bottom of whatever it is and sort it out for us. I am reminded of the famous quote by an assistant to George W Bush that ” we are an Empire now and we are making up our own rules” and those still foolish enough to be living in “the reality-based community” can do nothing but watch and wonder while the non-reality-based Empire pursues its ineffable aims, or some such nonsense, if indeed this anonymous aide ever said that at all, or anything like it. (See what I did there?)
Well, reality has a way of refusing to be dismissed so easily. We shall see.
- GD
July 9, 2014 at 3:59 pm -
Once again the machine is gearing up to trundle away from and danger of addressing real abuse into propaganda and expediency…who knew?
But just one tiny point, in her memory, and in memory of the choices she made. Ruth Ellis was not a silenced in any way. We may not agree with her decision but she was calmly determined to take full responsibility for killing David Blakely and did not even want to petition for reprieve. She did not see, nor wish to present herself as acting as the victim of sexual and physical abuse.
We may not agree with her, but her trial and sentence were in accord with her personal belief system and must have required great moral courage and dignity, so let us not take that away from her, even in passing?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruth_Ellis
- septicisle
July 9, 2014 at 6:15 pm -
On Newsnight last night they had Neil Hamilton making clear how everyone regarded Geoffrey Dickens as a bit of a buffoon, a self-publicist and so on. Neil fucking Hamilton. That’s how low we’ve sunk, when Neil Hamilton is the voice of reason.
- Moor Larkin
July 9, 2014 at 6:17 pm -
Yup. Him and Jonathan King. Makes you think – if thinking is your bag…
- Ian B
July 10, 2014 at 2:11 pm -
I actually quite like the Hamiltons, but then I’m a bit weird.
- IlovetheBBC
July 13, 2014 at 8:56 pm -
Quite scepticisle. Neil fucking Hamilton, of all people. But then he knows what it’s like to be accused by a fantasist – who for some bizarre reason the police decided to believe, contrary to actual evidence.
I’ve found myself ‘in bed’ with some strange people over the last couple of years since this collective madness took over.
- Moor Larkin
- Daisy Ray
July 9, 2014 at 6:17 pm -
Reading about the 80s US ritual abuse panic, I always wondered ‘But how could any rational person believe this?’ I think I’m in the process of finding out. It’s amazing how intelligent, sophisticated people are now repeating as fact that there was a paedophile ring of MPs, all of them, naturally, named in Dickens’s dossier. I’ve just read Matthew Ancona in the Evening Standard saying, of course, everyone knew about Elm Guest House. He must have seen that ludicrous list which, like many of NAYPIC’s allegations before and since, was largely based on scandals widely covered in media, with a few celebrities gossiped about as gay and some other individuals the compilers had a grudge against. All of whom apparently converged from all over the country on one obscure guest house.
The rumours were I suppose given authority by Tom Watson’s speech in the house, which was, at the very least, syntactically misleading – it wasn’t a Westminster aide who was the alleged porn smuggler, but his half-brother. They’re given some dim veracity by the crimes of Peter Righton, now rather better known than he ever was in life. Forget that he wasn’t a politician, was prosecuted to the further extent the law would permit, and is dead anyway. Perhaps the strange Peter McKelvie (he’s got a little list) will dig up a few pederast Lords, never mind that many peers seldom if ever enter the house and hold no political office. And we can spread innuendo about underage sex if any gay man slept with anyone under 21 before the age of consent changed.
PS: Given that Geoffrey Dickens left no paedo unturned, isn’t it strange he dropped not so much as a hint about Jimmy Savile or Cyril Smith?- Moley
July 9, 2014 at 6:42 pm -
So any gay man who slept with a lad of under 21 (even if they themselves were under 21) prior to 2001 is, in Daily Mail parlance, a “peedoh”. Sheesh!
- Jonathan Mason
July 9, 2014 at 6:54 pm -
Thousands of Old Etonians will be quivering in their riding boots.
- Mr Wray
July 9, 2014 at 8:38 pm -
Not sure if they being also under 21 would make them a ‘peedoh’ but the term does seem to be liberally applied to anyone having sex with someone who is under the age of consent.
This guest house is being labelled a ‘paedophile brothel’ and, despite the grammatical confusion, was it would seem, a place for gays to meet up and shag where they wouldn’t get ‘outed’ and prosecuted. Were under-age rent boys present? I don’t know. Perhaps Keith Vaz could enlighten us?
- EyesWideShut
July 9, 2014 at 9:54 pm -
But this is Humpty-Dumpty world: “Words mean whatever I want them to mean” and “I can think of six impossible things before breakfast.”
There is no end to it. For those of you are still interested in the efflorescences of Humpty-Dumpty-dum, the latest twaddle on the Internet is that a major international musician (now dead, natch) was originally going to be prosecuted by the UK authorities for child abuse, but the FCO warned them off “because said musician was the single most important figure his culture had ever produced”. That statement alone should tell you we are dealing with the Interwoozies.
Guess who? Well the Interwoozies are convinced it was Bob Marley. Can you imagine? No sourcie-worsie for this, just an Internet gabble. It shouldn’t take too long to work out what sort of agenda the Blind Item author has.
Well, here they all come tripping along with their theories about Bob Marley: his mother was 16 or 17 (but certainly not younger) when she formed a relationship with his father, who was then in his 60s. Revolting. The apple doesn’t fall from the tree etc etc.
Is this a new folk art, I ask myself? Knit yourself a paedophile.
- Jonathan Mason
July 10, 2014 at 4:03 pm -
Of course Elvis Presley also probably qualified for admission to the paedo club based on current UK legislation which extends to all sexual acts anywhere on the planet in the history of the world. Even the Holy Spirit is not immune, having notoriously fathered one Jesus of Nazareth with an underage virgin, nor a well-known prophet who married an underage wife, and if we go back even earlier several of the Greek gods, for example Zeus, would probably have had their collar felt in Cool Britannia.
- Jonathan Mason
- EyesWideShut
- Ian B
July 10, 2014 at 2:24 pm -
I wonder how many of the gay community have as yet grasped that we’re about to enter into pure Marquess of Queensberry territory?
- Jonathan Mason
- Moley
- Duncan Disorderly
July 9, 2014 at 7:16 pm -
Thinking about this, what are the chances of finding an eminent QC who isn’t related to someone who was ‘close’ to the establishment?
- Mike
July 9, 2014 at 7:54 pm -
Dear Anna
Please Please Please, stop talking common sense. You are quite ruining the silly season.As for abused children? Surely they are of no consequence? Not when there are reputations as fearless defenders of the oppressed, fearless opponents of the establishment to be made here.
Mike
PS
Definition: Cynic- disappointed idealist- Wigner’s Friend
July 10, 2014 at 3:01 pm -
Cynic – A realist with experience.
- Wigner’s Friend
- hernandez
July 9, 2014 at 10:22 pm -
I don’t understand why my name and email are not accepted.
- hernandez
July 9, 2014 at 10:22 pm -
Oh – it has been. Strange
- hernandez
July 9, 2014 at 10:33 pm -
Okay, I’m having problems with making comments. I have followed this site for a long time and finally have decided to make my own little contribution. The problem is that the new Establishment is the newspapers – not just the Daily Mail but – perhaps even more so – the Independent and the Guardian. I have tried to make a simple comment about another series of allegations in the Guardian but, I imagine, because I used the words “allegation” and “proof” my comment was eliminated within less than a minute. So where can we turn? I am no longer young, and sadly can see no hope for my great nephews and nieces if this is the new way British society is developing. They understand, but they tell me their friends do not because the newspapers and the BBC tell things “as they are” – i.e. lies.
- Ian B
July 9, 2014 at 10:43 pm -
The Guardian has the least free “comment is free” section on the internet. I’m on “pre-moderation” there; that happened because I got a bit naughty; on an article about a “transwoman” who, to their horror, had been placed in a male prison, I pointed out that somebody with an entirely male body and genitalia, who has a girlfriend, is not a “lesbian transwoman”, but a man in a dress- and maybe putting a man in a dress with functional male parts in a women’s prison is not perhaps a good policy.
I did however have fun before that in a thread where the saintly Beatrix Campbell OBE herself had deigned to contribute, putting in a comment every few minutes asking her if she ever planned to apologise for Shieldfield, and watching them all get deleted within minutes. Of course there was no forthcoming apology, but I liked the idea that the gonged marxist was seeing them and being reminded that (whatever the EU may say about a “right to be forgotten”) the internet never forgets.
As to where to turn, we are on the upward slope of a mass social hysteria, and things can seem hopeless in that phase. It’s a matter of working towards the turnaround. Things move fast these days and the internet means that ordinary voices can speak, even if the Establishment stop their ears. Things are serious, but not hopeless.
- Duncan Disorderly
July 9, 2014 at 11:09 pm -
- Peter Raite
July 10, 2014 at 12:21 pm -
Yeah, because no transwoman self-identifies as lesbian, and lesbian sex never happens in women’s prison…
If Green is pre-op, she is almost certainly on hormone therapy (I’d be surprised if she’d been placed in the prison if she wasn’t), which results in erectile dysfunction.
- Peter Raite
- EyesWideShut
July 9, 2014 at 11:24 pm -
The Graun has found its ideal market: USA Democrats. They don’t have a national Democrat publication, so the Graun fits the bill. It has skewed that way for the last decade. Making it less and less meaningful in British terms. We are a long way from the Manchester Guardian. Ignore them: they are the last of the true Atlanticists, so they have that curiosity value if nothing else. Let’s see how long it will last.
Bea Campbell is about as Marxist as a thing is not very Marxist, my lord. She is Julie Burchill with a degree,* 80s vintage.
I have said all along, a due and proper consideration of the sludge pits on the Internet which are now the source of all MSM crusading reveals that what they have had in their sights all along is not tired old 70s entertainer but Parliament.
Cameron is reacting old school – Proper Judges Will Sort It Out. Either he believes this, or he doesn’t. Or third and most likely possibility: he doesn’t care one way or the other, as long as he is still in office on Monday morning. Your call.
Personally speaking, I think it is long past all that. Too may twits have played around with the system we had – never a perfect one – for establishing facts, and we have stage the point where the facts are beside the point. This will run and run. You are seeing the break-down of a whole way of doing public business. It’s anyone’s now.
- Duncan Disorderly
- Ian B
- hernandez
- Chris
July 9, 2014 at 11:17 pm -
Jesus Wept – John-Thomas really is like a dog with a bone about this tonight. Does he think Butler-Sloss is going to reply to him on Twitter or something? https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas
- Peter Raite
July 10, 2014 at 12:31 pm -
“Crucial questions for Baroness Butler-Sloss & Home Sec is would she sit as a judge if her brother was the defendant or involved in the case?”
Erm… I’m pretty sure that wouldn’t be allowed of any judge in any case, but obviously the definition of “involved” is the crucial point.
- Peter Raite
- ivan
July 10, 2014 at 12:39 am -
Oh dear, the DM is on the case and is starting to whip up hysteria again as it appears that they want to turn it from an inquiry into a witch hunt.
So far every time I have mentioned that it has been censored out – they obviously have an agenda.
- suffolkgirl
July 10, 2014 at 12:50 am -
The only problem it seems to me in appointing Dame Butler Sloss is that she is quite old and she recused herself from a previous inquiry, very honestly on the grounds of having limited criminal legal experience. The real issue it seems to me is that no one feels able to say that the Geoffrey Dickens claims were investigated at tbe time by civil servants and seen as not having any available evidence. Now we are talking about other unnamed children not being saved – but just who are they?
- Ian B
July 10, 2014 at 1:11 am -
To be honest, appointing somebody so, well, elderly, seems strange to me. I can’t help wondering how many people they asked who turned down the poisoned chalice. There’s no way that a sane, balanced investigation is going to satisfy the paedoconspiracists, so the final report is stuck between being the barmcakery the mob are baying for, or being called a whitewash.
I’m inclined to say that the government can only blame themselves for letting things get this out of control, but honestly anyone who hasn’t been watching the subterranean undercurrents wouldn’t have seen it coming. If I were in some position of authority, I must admit I’d have no idea what to do at this stage. You can’t tell everyone to calm down. It’s too late for that.
- Ian B
- thedude
July 10, 2014 at 2:59 am -
I cannot help but think this may actually be a good thing. Turning the witch-hunt from elderly celebrities to the government themselves may actually force someone with some authority somewhere to see sense and at last turn on the baying mob of nutcases. If nothing else, they are now reaping the hysteria they and their media pals have been cultivating, which is delicious in a way.
- David
July 11, 2014 at 8:13 am -
Norman Tebbit said, effectively, that the establishment considers its good name to be paramount and above right and wrong – much like the churches consider their good names paramount and above right and wrong. So, when an inquiry into alleged establishment activity of a sordid and criminal nature is instituted, it appears appropriate (to me) that a non-establishment figure head the inquiry. Mrs Bully-Sloshed might have “a brilliant legal mind” – quote from her nephew, the actor Nigel(?) Havers, but her pedigree, in the circumstances, disqualifies her from leading this inquiry.
I would like a non-legal, non-establishment figure be the head.- Peter Raite
July 11, 2014 at 1:18 pm -
You mean someone who hasn’t got a clue about the law? Wow!
- Moor Larkin
July 11, 2014 at 1:22 pm -
Someone like Sir Keir Starmer then…… or is he part of the Establishment….. Hmmm… shome mistake here…..
- David
July 11, 2014 at 4:13 pm -
Moor dear, I was thinking of some drink sodden wretch who doesn’t know what day it is – are you busy?
- Moor Larkin
July 11, 2014 at 4:16 pm -
Only talking to you sweetie…
- Moor Larkin
- David
- David
July 11, 2014 at 4:10 pm -
The law is more than an ass, though necessary (I wonder even about that sometimes). As we live in a legally structured country, clearly it would be necessary for the non-legal individual to have some guy (or gal) in a wig to advise him. Were you really that impressed with my post to respond with a “wow”?
- Moor Larkin
- Peter Raite
- Gil
July 14, 2014 at 10:30 am -
Nudge nudge wink wink say no more eh eh eh? Twitter. Another name apparently thrown in the ring.
Contradictions about background remain unclarified. Journalists seem asleep at the job.
- Moor Larkin
July 14, 2014 at 2:17 pm -
And then she was gone.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-28295282- Jonathan Mason
July 14, 2014 at 4:32 pm -
Unbelievable! Having appointed her to this controversial position in the obvious knowledge that there would be calls for her resignation, it appears that the whole thing was just a trial balloon or that she was a stalking horse for the real appointee who is waiting in the wings. Cameron stating that there was never any implication by anyone that she might be biased. Yeah right, Cameron. The whole point is that various lobbyists are saying that she would be influenced by family ties if it came to be that the enquiry found that her deceased brother had been negligent or criminal while in office some decades ago.
So now they are going to appoint someone who is no part of the establishment–cannot be a judge or lawyer or former MP then–and has never appeared on the BBC where he or she may have been influenced by consorting with paedophile rings in BBC hospitality rooms.
It looks like it will have to be a foreigner now. Perhaps Pamela Anderson is available, Britney Spears having recently signed up for a five year gig in Las Vegas. You couldn’t have Janet Jackson, because of, you know, her brother. Other candidates include Archbishop Desmond Tutu, Edward Snowden, Bill Cosby, and Gerry Adams.
- Moor Larkin
July 14, 2014 at 5:10 pm -
Certainly won’t be Stephen Fry now will it…….. ….. I fancy Eddie Izzard….. if you see what I mean. He wants to be in politics and he’ll be acceptable to the lefties and has an ironic sense of humour too. Perfect. Bring it on!!
- Ian B
July 14, 2014 at 10:42 pm -
No, it wasn’t a trial balloon. The politicians are not running this show. They are leaves blown in the wind by the interest groups.
There seems to be an astonishing naivete among many politicians regarding the pressure groups they deal with. This has been a source of wonder to me for some time, but it seems to be a consistent trend. In our current society, anyone who can acquire the mantle of reformer, crusader, etc, is naively assumed to be virtuous and is thus taken at face value; this is how the Third Sector has such power.
- Jonathan Mason
July 15, 2014 at 1:46 am -
I don’t know. It is really hard to say. Cameron is supposedly a very smart intellect and has a background in PR. He has, I am quite sure, studied every episode of Yes Minister and Yes, Prime Minister, and has some very smart hired guns to advise him, so I doubt that anything he does in public office is off the cuff, so to speak. He had Murdoch’s man as his press secretary, or as I prefer to think, Murdoch’s enforcer appointed to look over Cameron’s shoulder and make sure he toed the line. In addition, it is rather hard to believe that Cameron spent his spare time going riding with the Brooks’s simply to be neighborly in Oxfordshire. It seems obvious that the whole thing was a set up.
I don’t want to sound like a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, but I really do think that much of the world today is manipulated so that the average person cannot see the invisible strings operating the puppets.
I just came back from the supermarket today. I have put myself on a diet over the last couple of weeks as I am getting too fat, and this made me really conscious that there is almost nothing in the supermarket that I can buy that is not bad for me, contains unnecessary fat or sugar, or is just plain overpriced. So I stick to basic meat and fresh fruit and vegetables, a little plain yoghurt, chillies, herbs, a little rice or corn chips, unsweet green tea made by the gallon. I also make some protein shakes from whey powder and add a bit of frozen fruit like mangoes or strawberries. No bread, potatoes, sweet stuff of any kind, fats, etc.
But what I see in the supermarket is that everything is aimed at trying to get you to overspend and overeat, preferably buying overpriced processed foods that have the highest margin of profit for the retailer. No matter what they may tell you in advertising, the aim is simply to get you to buy the products that are the most profitable for them to sell, by placing them in the most prominent places, offering 2 for 1 offers, and so on.I noticed with amusement that the fresh pineapples that were $2.50 three days ago are now priced at $2.48. Obviously someone thought that taking the price below $2.50 would move them.
So what I am saying is that when you go in the supermarket, you are the mark. Your behaviour is intensely studied to figure out the best way to get you to spend more than you intend. So don’t tell me that as soon as Butler-Sloss’s name was out there, Cameron didn’t have focus groups reporting back and pollsters getting reactions to her name and so on. Clearly the preliminary results came back bad and she was informed that she needed to volunteer to withdraw her name. No doubt she received a bung for her trouble, or her law firm will be compensated generously for preliminary work, which comes to the same thing.
- Jonathan Mason
- Moor Larkin
- Jonathan Mason
- Gil
July 14, 2014 at 2:51 pm -
Spooky!
“YEW unlucky
1616 T. SCOT Philomythie pt. 2 B4b. The cursed Eldar and the fatall Yewe.
1663 COWLEY Verses 52. Beneath a Bow’r for sorrow made … Of the black Yew’s unlucky green.
1830 FORBY East Anglia 413. If you bring yew into the house at Christmas, amongst the other evergreens used to dress it, you will have a death in the family before the end of the year.
1923 [Somerset] Never take yew in a house, it is unlucky.YEW at funerals
c.1601 SHAKESPEARE Twelfe Night II iv. Come away death … My shrowd of white, stuck all with Ew, O prepare it.
1610 BEAUMONT & FLETCHER Maid’s Tragedy II i. Lay a garland on my hearse, Of the dismal yew.
1648 HERRICK Hesperides 126 ‘To the Yew and Cypresse to Grace his Funerall’ Both you two have relation to the grave: And where The Fun’rall-Trump sounds, you are there.
1791 COLLINSON History of Somersetshire I 13. Our forefathers were particularly careful in preserving this funeral tree whose branches it was usual for mourners to carry in solemn procession to the grave, and afterwards to deposit therein under the bodies of their departed friends.”
Oxford Dictionary of Superstitions- Moor Larkin
July 14, 2014 at 5:18 pm
- Moor Larkin
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