Cameron, Miliband, PMQs and THAT Hacking Trial.
Watching PMQs today was depressing – the last whimper of democracy. The pompous dwarf currently installed in the Speaker’s Chair churning out his patronising ‘put downs’, as our elected spokesmen prematurely articulated their incoherent insults and jibes; both sides of the chamber seeking political capital out of a criminal trial.
Prematurely – because the trial has not yet finished, the jury is still deliberating; but that has not prevented those of the left from rushing to condemn Cameron on the basis of the one verdict on Coulson so far. The sycophantic squad of columnist minions, all of them infected with the left’s brand of repulsive hypocritical and gleeful spite, could not wait to vomit out a screed of ‘anti-Murdoch, anti-Monarchy, anti-Tory toffs’ blather this morning but have overlooked one of the fundamentals of British justice.
The jury is still OUT.
Comment on Rebekah Brook’s innocence by all means – but Coulson (and Goodman) are entitled to have the jury finish considering the evidence against them without unhelpful character assassination.
This is Justice – not political grandstanding.
This morning, both counsel for Goodman and Coulson applied to discharge the current jury because of the prejudicial comment about separate facts that were not in evidence.
Justice Saunders has issued the following ruling.
Ruling on Application to discharge the jury on counts 2 and 3
Application has been made to me to discharge this jury on the basis that it is no longer possible for Andrew Coulson and Clive Goodman to have a fair trial on the remaining two counts that the jury are considering. The application is based on the publicity last night and this morning following the verdicts delivered yesterday on count 1. Immediately after the verdict the PM issued a statement apologising for employing Mr. Coulson. That statement has been followed by pronouncements by a large number of politicians from all parties. I have not considered and will not consider anything that has been said in Parliament as that is covered by parliamentary privilege and is the sole prerogative of Parliament.
I asked for an explanation from the Prime Minister as to why he had issued his statement while the jury were still considering verdicts. I received a response from his principal private secretary which said ‘the Prime Minister was responding to the guilty verdict on hacking charges that had been delivered in open court. He did this in the light of the intense media coverage and understandable public interest. The Prime Minister was careful to make no further comment about any matters that might still be before the court.’
I accept that that was the Prime Minister’s intention but I am afraid that to an extent his explanation misses the point. He has now told the public and therefore the jury that he was given assurances by Mr. Coulson before he employed him which turned out to be untrue. The jury were not aware of that before and it is a matter which is capable of affecting Mr. Coulson’s credibility in their eyes. Mr. Coulson’s credibility is a matter which is in issue on the final two charges that the jury have to consider.
Other politicians have chosen to comment about Mr. Coulson and as a result the jury have heard of matters which were not admitted at the trial for legal reasons. I am certainly not seeking or intending to single out the Prime Minister. Politicians from across the political spectrum have seen fit to make strong comments about Mr. Coulson despite the fact that the jury are still deliberating. The Chairman of the parliamentary committee which investigated phone hacking has told the public that Mr. Coulson lied to them in the evidence that he gave. Evidence of what Mr. Coulson said before the committee could not be given in court as it would amount to a breach of parliamentary privilege. That was the view of parliamentary counsel which was conveyed to the court and which I accepted. Again that information is capable of affecting the jury’s view of Mr. Coulson’s credibility.
Mr. Langdale who made powerful and well argued submissions to me relies on the public importance of those who made the comments and the increased likelihood therefore of the jury being influenced by them. This was a significant factor in the court of appeal’s decision in the case of McCann and as he says, while the decision is an old one, the principle has not changed.
My sole concern is to ensure that justice is done. Politicians have other imperatives and I understand that. Whether the political imperative was such that statements could not await all the verdicts, I leave to others to judge. The issue for me now is to decide whether I am satisfied that Mr. Coulson will receive a fair trial on the other two counts or whether the prejudice is such that that is impossible.
I have been referred to the decision of the administrative court in contempt proceedings brought against parts of the media following the partial verdicts in the case of Levi Belfield. I am satisfied that the revelations in those reports were considerably more prejudicial to the fair trial of Belfield on the remaining counts than is the case here.
The decision in this application is entirely fact specific. Not merely is it fact specific but it is also specific to this jury who we all have been watching at work for eight months. First this jury have shown that they are entirely capable of putting out of their minds prejudicial material in reaching their decisions. At the start of this trial I heard two days of submissions on behalf of Rebekah Brooks to the effect that there was so much prejudicial material about her in the public domain that the jury would inevitably convict her and it was impossible for her to have a fair trial. She has been acquitted of all the charges against her. I trust that no-one will maintain that complaint now. Everyone who has watched the jury have been impressed with their dedication and their ability to concentrate on the evidence and follow directions of law. Our legal system is based on the premise that juries comply with directions of law given by the Judge.
We should not forget the stage of the case that we have reached. The jury at the moment are deep into an analytical discussion of the evidence on counts 2 and 3 and have been for sometime. I am fortified in that belief by consideration of the notes that I have received from them. There is no reason to suppose that they will be diverted from that course. We underrate juries, and particularly this one, at our peril.
It should also be born in mind that by virtue of the verdict that the jury have already returned, they are sure that Andrew Coulson has lied to them about his involvement in phone hacking. Therefore, while important public figures in defence of their own position or to attack another’s have revealed other lies told by Andrew Coulson, those revelations will have less effect on the jury.
I watched a fair amount of the news coverage last night in anticipation of this application. I have considered other material which has been referred to me. As I have made clear, I have also considered the cases of AG –v- Associated Newspapers and R –v- McCann.
I have decided that the jury should not be discharged as I am satisfied that the jury will continue to try Mr. Coulson and Mr. Goodman on the evidence that they have heard in court and solely on that evidence.
That does not mean that I am not concerned about what has happened in this case. I consider that what has happened is unsatisfactory so far as justice and the rule of law are concerned. The press in court have been extremely responsible in their reporting of this case but when politicians regard it as open season, one cannot expect the press to remain silent. I accept that this case is very unusual if not unique, but the situation could occur again and I would urge that discussions take place to try and set up a better system of dealing with it.
I have considered whether, in the light of what has happened, I was correct to take partial verdicts. I am fortified in what I did by the fact that no counsel has suggested I was wrong even with the benefit of hindsight and by the fact that what I did accords entirely with the Practice Direction which lays down the procedure for taking verdicts and emphasises the necessity for the same procedure to be followed by all Judges.
- Rightwinggit
June 25, 2014 at 5:10 pm -
“…prematurely articulated…”
Got it!
- Engineer
June 25, 2014 at 5:19 pm -
Several thousand excess deaths in NHS hospitals – promote those responsible (Nicholson). PM does as he said he would and says sorry that a former employee (Coulson) turned out to have broken a law (that killed nobody) – mayhem from the Opposition at PMQ’s.
Have we lost the plot, somewhere?
- Engineer
June 25, 2014 at 5:21 pm -
To expand that slightly – PM does as he said he would and says sorry for employing someone who later turns out to have broken a law (and killed nobody) – etc.
- Ho Hum
June 25, 2014 at 8:09 pm -
Are you implying, as that can certainly be read as doing, that what Nicholson did was the direct causation of thousands of deaths in hospital, or do you maybe want to word that a bit more clearly?
And how about adding in a little bit about the possibility that politicians’ continuous messing about with structures and funding, and management, both directly and indirectly, visibly and covertly, might be a contributory factor? I can’t believe you don’t know your onions well enough to know that that goes on …
- Engineer
June 25, 2014 at 8:55 pm -
There were several thousand excess deaths in the Mid Staffordshire NHS Trust. Nicholson was the man in charge when the excess deaths happened. Despite this, he was promoted to overall charge of the NHS (though several people in lower positions of authority were disciplined or dismissed). Nobody went to gaol for it.
As far as I’m aware, phone hacking resulted in no deaths, but a huge police investigation and trial, with the possible gaoling of Coulson.
Which is the more serious problem? Are excess deaths in the NHS somehow less serious than a few hacked phones?
- Ho Hum
June 25, 2014 at 10:11 pm -
I’m sure I went through all the anti Nicholson witch hunt material on a prior post. Not sure if it’s one of those latterly resurrected, but I’m not doing it again.
And, no, I’m not a Nicholson fan, supporter, or apologist. I just happen to recognise a witch hunt when I see one. After all, if we accept every one of those we encounter, surely a certain Mr Savile must probably have shafted half the female population of the UK, non?
As for Nicholson being responsible personally for the deaths arising, the publicly quoted number of which, if you read the Francis Report, is described by the later American reviewers thus ‘It is unfortunate that the igure of 400-1200 excess deaths became so widely publicized and sensationalized’, well, that’s risible. If you adopted that as a principle every PM we have ever had would probably have resigned the next day.
FWIW, if you care to look, Nicholson actually replaced most of the North Staffs Trust Board in 2005 anyway. Different reasons, but hardly sitting on his arse doing nothing
And what would our Press and Media be like if it had to operate to the professional standards that NHS professionals of all types have imposed on them? have you ever read the dross they try to pass off as professional guidelines? They’re just an ill-tempered, badly behaved, bunch of cry babies, who want to do, and say, whatever they like, and be responsible for none of it. And Daddy and Mummy are too scared of the little blighters to smack them where it hurts
- Jonathan Mason
June 26, 2014 at 4:55 am -
I agree with Ho Hum here. The expected mortality rate in a particular area can depend on a number of factors, including ethnicity (which may increased risk of killer diseases like diabetes and arterial disease) and local levels of consumption of alcohol and tobacco, obesity, dietary and exercise patterns, average income for the area, and so on. These variables may or may not have been calculated correctly. In addition one has to point out that many of those who died unexpectedly had complicated medical histories that made their treatment far from straighforward.
I am not saying that in better managed , better staffed, and better equipped hospitals, outcomes for a similar population may not have been better, but when it comes to sending people to prison for medical negligence you have to isolate particular individual cases in which the medics or hospital contravened their own written performance standard or procedures, or failed to deliver what was medically accepted as the correct treatment for a particular condition. If a 90-year-old goes into hospital for a hip replacement operation and ends up dying of pneumonia, it is quite possible that this could have been avoided by excellent pre- post- and perioperative assessment and care, but it is terribly hard to prove criminal negligence in court unless you have standards and ignore them. For example, a common cause of pneumonia is aspiration of food or fluids into the lungs, but the best way of prevention is to have every new admission carefully evaluated for swallowing difficulties, dentition, need for thickened fluids, mechanical soft or pureed diet, and so on, and perhaps not every hospital in the UK is sufficiently resourced.
- Engineer
June 26, 2014 at 1:08 pm -
Oh FFS.
The phone hacking scandal, as far as I know, killed nobody.
The Mid Staffs scandal involved a hospital that had a LARGE number of unexpected deaths. The death certificates of some patients officially recorded ‘starvation’ as the cause of death. Doctors routinely prescribed water for their patients because the nurses didn’t see to it that their patients had enough to drink. Mid Staffs wasn’t the only example – West Cumberland, Redditch, Brighton, Central Lancashire are some of the others that I can recall. People in generally good health were going into hospital for relatively minor procedures and ending up dead. The complaints of their relatives were routinely ignored.
The NHS costs about £120 billion a year. That’s about £2000 a year for every man, woman and child in the country. ‘Insiufficiently resourced’ my arse.
WHICH IS THE GREATER PROBLEM?
- Engineer
- Jonathan Mason
- Ho Hum
- Engineer
- Engineer
- Ed P
June 25, 2014 at 6:09 pm -
The judge’s statement is balanced and fair – another slap for Camoron and the political lightweights now infesting our once great Parliament.
- John
June 25, 2014 at 7:26 pm -
You can’t expect someone like Ed Miliband to read all of that! He’s a man of the people! Far more important things to be doing…
- Mudplugger
June 25, 2014 at 7:42 pm -
Bacon sandwiches need eating……..
- Mudplugger
- James Sykes
June 25, 2014 at 7:42 pm -
At the end of the day , who cares whether he hacked phones or not, although from my understanding he was only guilty of conspiracy to do so, what is the point of sending him to prison? What difference will it make,like you said ,nobody was killed.
- ivan
June 25, 2014 at 7:46 pm -
I thought it was the job of the squeaker, sorry, speaker, to control that sort of thing in the house. Maybe not, because we have an idiot in that position now and I very much doubt that he would stop anything unless his wife didn’t approve it..
- Frankie
June 25, 2014 at 7:53 pm -
+1… It is as astonishing, as is the fact that Millibland missed the clearly open goal on this one.
He couldn’t hit water if he fell out of a boat.
- Ho Hum
June 25, 2014 at 10:22 pm -
Even if he hit the water, surely he’d float? He’s a witch, isn’t he? (or, for the benefit of watching Pedants United supporters, a warlock)
- Ho Hum
- Frankie
- Gildas the Monk
June 25, 2014 at 8:26 pm -
I did wonder if I had gone too far with my piece on the day. In was actually careful not to make any comment on Coulson as such, as opposed to his reputation, and neither did I comment on any other defendant. Even so, I did on reflection wonder whether I had crossed the line. However, given the media furore, I think I was OK.
Frankly, once the initial verdict was out what did His Lordship expect? A self imposed silence? Pardon me, but come out of the ivory tower. I think that is dreamland.- Ho Hum
June 25, 2014 at 10:17 pm -
Forgive me, but aren’t the press proud of their latterly developed professional ethics, standards, and governance arrangements? Do you think that he maybe thought that they had learned a lesson? Or are you just saying that they were bad then, are bad now, and will be bad, forever and ever, Amen?
And we maybe should just accept the latter, and let them get on with being a vicious bunch of semi civilised pricks at the expense of the rest of us?
- Jonathan Mason
June 26, 2014 at 4:58 am -
I agree with Gildas, but of course for Cameron the most important thing is to distract attention from the elephant in the room–the notion that the fellow was a Murdoch plant in Downing Street sent to play minder to Cameron and make sure that he did what he was told.
- Ho Hum
- Junican
June 25, 2014 at 10:49 pm -
Can Coulson appeal?
- Ms Mildred
June 26, 2014 at 8:54 am -
Take the cameras out of parliament. Hide all that yelling, snarling and show boating that goes on there, surely it is the best way of dealing with these posh yobs. I never watch it, and no one I know watches this ridiculous carry on that is PM’s questions. This trial has cost a bomb for the public . It was probably not needed in the way the charges were set. A bunch of parliamentary yahoos nearly made the whole trial useless. Best if those who said they were guilty had been sentenced and Coulson/Rebekah and husband and others not made fall guys at such length and expense. A long lasting newspaper lost too, which I never read. I smell a revenge witch hunt conducted by hidden high ups which turned into an expensive fiasco.
- GildasTheMonk
June 26, 2014 at 9:02 am -
From the Telegraph yestarday: total costs of 3 inquiries or investigations into phone hacking to date, £30 million plus, expected to rise to £40 million in the end. Costs of trial £800,000 (which sounds light to me, even if it is just restricted to the barrister’s brief fees – but there we go).
Amazingly, Defence costs – funded it appears by News Group – are alleged to be £50 million – again, I find that somewhat fantastical, but that’s what I read.
In any event, expensive indeed.
G the M- erichardcastle
June 26, 2014 at 9:47 am -
# according to Peter Jukes who has provided the very best coverage and sat in on the trial every day- he says he is reliably informed by the CPS the cost is no more than 10 million quid.
What did the country expect when they elected a public relations man as PM?.
I’ve said it numerous times to blank faces- the claims that there are too many lawyers in the ranks of MPs is wrong. Politicians make the laws. It seems very sensible then that a good proportion of them be lawyers for obvious reasons.
Another example of how hideous and vacuous Britain’s politicians have become. For Cameron to give the excuse he was responding to the media shows what a fuckwit he is and how now, our politicians line up and say “how high ?” when ordered to jump by the hacks.
- erichardcastle
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