Death of the Last Taboo.
Nothing is sacrosanct on Twitter, no detail of intimate life too delicate to explore; except death. There is no #death hashtag. It has to be masked – #dyingmatters.
No surprises in the etymology – the word comes from the old english dēath and can be traced back to the old Norse deyja – we didn’t need the Romans or the Normans to give us a word for the end of life as they did for so many things we had never seen or heard of before.
Yet 1,000 years or more later, we still recoil from the word – even Doctors, or perhaps especially Doctors, are reluctant to use the word, reluctant to have a conversation about death.
In an age when we consider it our inalienable right to redefine every aspect of our life – only a fifth of us, 21% – have ever discussed with anyone where we wish to be buried, or how we wish our remains to be treated. Cremated or Buried? Have you ever talked to anyone about your wishes?
This week is ‘Dying Matters Awareness Week’ and the ‘Dying Matters Coalition and the National Council for Palliative Care’ are struggling to get anyone to talk about death. Personally I want to be recycled; as a keen gardener, I would like to be put to good use fertilising a rose – my Aunt and Uncle are doing a magnificent job providing nutrient to a (now) enormous magnolia tree in deepest Shropshire; I’ve checked on its progress via Google from time to time, unbeknown to the present owners of that property – it was their wish, and certainly a more useful function than cluttering up a council cemetery under acres of grass.
People recoil from death; though it hasn’t been infectious since the days of the Great Plague apart from isolated pockets of darkest Africa and places like the London Hospital for Infectious Diseases. Yet I was once with a man when he died, along with a social worker who ran shaking from the room, later discovered trembling and sobbing in the Manager’s Office, declaring herself unable to work for the rest of the day. I was amazed, there was nothing unpleasant about his death, he had simply breathed his last and departed – yet she had taken off as though pursued by a horde of angry hornets. We had no emotional connection to him – we were simply doing our job – what creates this reaction?
Why do we, these days, ask a total stranger to prepare our nearest and dearest for their funeral? To take their body away and return it at the funeral neatly packaged and sanitised? What is it that we are frightened of? Being reminded that someone we loved is no longer alive? Are we actually able to forget that discomforting fact via the services of a funeral director?
I can remember being amazed by the sad circumstances of the Spanish babies that had been stolen for adoption by hospital staff – an event only made possible because not one of the women had ever seen their ‘dead’ babies; they hadn’t asked to see them, hadn’t demanded to see them, hadn’t demanded to arrange a funeral, had just accepted the news told to them by the nurses.
More recently, we have the women in Glasgow, ‘facing a lifetime of uncertainty’ because they had no way of knowing whereabouts in a garden of remembrance the ashes of their babies had ben scattered. They had ‘left it to the hospital authorities’ to deal with ‘the matter sensitively’ and were now appalled and traumatised to find that ashes had been scattered in a rose garden to the cemetery when they had been told ‘there were no ashes’. I should point out that many, if not most, of these babies were ‘unviable foetuses’ of 22 to 24 weeks gestation. That is not to decry the sadness of losing a baby at any stage of a pregnancy – nor the emotional trauma that you may experience at the time – but surely if you have have distinct wishes about how the remains of someone, even a 24 week foetus, should be dealt with – shouldn’t you speak up, discuss this with someone, anyone, at the time?
Isn’t the real problem here our inability to talk about death, our desire to pretend that it isn’t real? That if we can’t see it, it doesn’t exist? Even though we know that it most certainly does exist.
We can have impassioned debates about whether those in the very rare circumstances of wanting to end their life, but being physically incapable of doing so, should be helped on their way by a Doctor – yet most of us will end our lives peacefully in our sleep – to be discovered, come morning, by a partner who has no idea what we would like to happen next. A partner who will telephone for a stranger to come and take us away – and charge us around £7,000 on average for his discrete services.
Our aversion to talking about death extends to writing a will – the reaction of some 2 out of every 3 people is ‘don’t want to think about it’ or ‘I’m only young, I’ve got plenty of time to do that’ – as though even talking about the possibility of death is enough to ‘bring it on’.
Yet in the digital age, we fret about what happens to our Twitter account when we are dead!
So, have you ever talked about your death to anyone, does anybody know what you would like to have happen to your body, can you bring yourself to discuss it?
We shall see…comments are open!
- Steve C
May 14, 2014 at 8:51 am -
I’ve mentioned it to my wife. I’d like to be shot into space I think. Not cremated first though. Failing that, a sea burial. Failing that, and more realistically, I’d like to be buried, not cremated. I’m not sure why. Now that we have kids we have professionally drawn up wills. We don’t find talking about it to be particularly weird, but then maybe that’s just us.
- Steve C
May 14, 2014 at 8:54 am -
When I say shot into space, I was thinking about something akin to Spock’s burial in the Wrath of Khan:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtQUePN5y40- Suffolker
May 14, 2014 at 9:13 am -
For a moment, I thought you were speaking of a Hunter S. Thompson finale, with ashes being fired from a cannon in front of an admiring audience.
- Suffolker
- Steve C
- Chris
May 14, 2014 at 8:59 am -
I was only discussing the attitude towards death the other day (with my mother, as it happens). The one certainty in life is death, and yet people skirt around the issue, often when The Grim Reaper is shining his torch in their own faces from a near distance. Yet most of us in adulthood are buffered with the realities of illness and death – who hasn’t experiences at least one relative fade away with dementia, or be stricken with cancer? It’s more and more common amongst the relatively young to ‘know’ people who genuinely have a ‘death wish’ – who’s lifestyles and/or mental health mean they will ‘burn out’ as young adults and not ‘grow old’. All of which serve to mean not adopting a progressive attitude to the inevitable is completely illogical – more so in the ‘post-Savile’ environment of ‘not speaking well of the dead’ with the same people who find ‘death’ an unspeakable issue when it’s ‘their own’ (‘he was a loveable rogue’, ‘she’s with the angels now’) but fine about smashing the ‘second-to-last’ taboo of destroying others they didn’t know personally in death. Why not ’embrace’ death in a progressive intelligent way? It will come to pass.
Then again, I feel like as if I living through a real death, the death of the society I was born into – the values, the beliefs, the whole bag. As it coincides with the decline and death of my own grandparents (and the noticeable physical decline of my parents) it does seem all the more symbolic and, indeed, coincidental. So, being at my own peak physical and mental ‘fitness’, roughly at the halfway mark in my life, witnessing the decline of everything and (so it seems) everyone else, does mean I can’t help but ‘think outside the box’. And adopt wholesale a progressive attitude to the death and decline all around me.
- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 9:38 am -
Have you ever seen the TV series ‘Dead like Me’ which charts the afterlives of a group of the dead presently retained on earth to perform the task of soul collection in their roles as Grim Reapers?
There are two boxed DVD series, and you need a seriously black sense of humour. For instance, the main character is a girl in her late teens whose decease and new career start was due to a lunchtime encounter with a stray lavatory seat which had become detached from a passing airliner. It’s actually a very clever series, and deals very interestingly with multiple aspects of death, but with that comic edge which precludes the whole thing becoming unduly maudlin. The characters develop well too
I have made a specific bequest in my will that my copies be left to my nephew LOL. He’s the only one that I would trust to see the joke
- Alan Scott
May 14, 2014 at 5:36 pm -
Agree fully with yr second para.
How downing it is, too.
- Ho Hum
- right-writes
May 14, 2014 at 9:11 am -
Ralph Stanley has a great little ditty about death…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjPeeUpdK1U
Shiver me timbers….
- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 9:15 am -
My better half and myself had a good laugh about it when we sat down with our lawyer a couple of years ago to update our wills. She said I was being buried so I, on the basis that I don’t expect to be too bothered about it at the time, agreed. Adds a bit more expense chargeable against the IHT limit too
On the other hand, I’ve recently been through the experience of helping a friend deal with this as part of writing up his will. He in his early fifties, has younger kids, and will most likely be dead in the next month or so. That he isn’t already is a surprise to us all. He was very emotional about it all and it was really hard going. I’m sure that two years ago he would have been his usual sardonic self but he, like most of us probably would be in matching circumstances, certainly was in no state to be flippant
If any of you haven’t written a will, spend a few bob and get it done while it’s still something you can do objectively, with a clear mind
- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 9:24 am -
And think about maybe getting Welfare and Financial POAs too.
Need to be careful about activation though. Apparently there are ways of getting that ‘deferred’ until you are gaga, rather than actually having the power made extant instantly, with the risk that whoever you appoint will run off with all your assets tomorrow
- Ho Hum
- John Galt
May 14, 2014 at 9:21 am -
One difficulty that myself and my friend Jonathan have found is that neither of us have either a fear of death nor any particular concern about our remains after we’ve shuffled off this mortal coil.
Once I’m dead, my body becomes an empty shell of no more use or consequence than a fish-and-chip wrapper.
My actual wish is to, without ceremony, have my body cremated and my ashes thrown in the dustbin along with the remains of yesterdays fire, but trying to get somebody to actually carry out this procedure is like pulling teeth.
Aparently it also makes me a callous and heartless bastard – who knew?
- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 9:25 am -
How much are you paying?
- Joe Public
May 14, 2014 at 1:15 pm -
Your local authority will demand that the ‘correct’ bin be used.
As ashes, that rules out the ‘Food Recycling’ bin, so would it be the rubbish ‘Rubbish’ bin, or, the ‘Recycling’ bin. Get it wrong, and your estate could be £50 worse-off!
- John Galt
May 14, 2014 at 2:36 pm -
Die in debt for the win!
- John Galt
- Ho Hum
- Robert the Biker
May 14, 2014 at 9:51 am -
Herself wishes to be cremated and the ashes scattered off the cliffs at Lady Margaret’s Bay. I want cremation followed by having someone take the urn on the back of a bike, nice twisty road, crack it on and then just lift the lid and let the wind scatter them.
Apparently, they can use the ashes to make a plate or vase or such, that would be ok too I guess.- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 10:01 am -
Really? Crematoria will soon be offering a new line of ‘Peopleware’.
Probably starting with a ‘Dead Man’s Chest’
- Mudplugger
May 14, 2014 at 10:24 am -
I once had the dubious pleasure of scattering my late father’s ashes on his favourite stretch of local moorland – a breezy spot. In all of his long life, he had never got up my nose, but he certainly did it post-mortem !
He would have chuckled, so I did too. - Joe Public
May 14, 2014 at 1:18 pm -
“Apparently, they can use the ashes to make a plate or vase or such, that would be ok too I guess.”
Even jewellery!
http://www.lifegem-uk.com/default.aspx?BType=GTxtCON&BAg=cj&gclid=COWMx5XAq74CFSGWtAod9G8ATA
- Robert the Biker
May 15, 2014 at 7:31 am -
Could be a bit problematic if she wants a pair of earrings to go with the ring…
” Oh, hang on, I’ve just got to go and sacrifice another husband” : )
- Robert the Biker
- Ho Hum
- Ms Mildred
May 14, 2014 at 9:55 am -
Never has physical decline been so widely and sadly illustrated as it is now. We see beautiful filmstars morph into ghastly parodies of their former selves. Handsome fellows become balding, chunky and speckled and sometimes we are told they have a serious illnes or even two nasty illnesses or are going into dementia. Prime ministers, politicians, musicians, authors, comedians, actors all succumb, with us all watching or hearing of their imminent demise or terrible illness. Small wonder that those who are not in that phase of their lives hide their heads under the duvet on the subject. Either that or later botox themselves at great expense, slap on expensive potions. Sometimes one goes to the burial of a very elderly person and it is quiet, maybe someone close is wiping a damp eye, there is secretive air of relief. Go to one of a younger person and an over full church is in weep mode, followed by memorial service, fund raising etc. 10K five years after the death of a charismatic 27 year old young lady. I would like a woodland burial in a bluebell wood. Whicker coffin or favourite blanket. No one present and no religious sayings over me, just back to nature. Leave me in peace.
- sally stevens
May 14, 2014 at 10:02 pm -
Just wanted to note that Botox isn’t that expensive!
- sally stevens
- Mudplugger
May 14, 2014 at 10:19 am -
I was talking about Wills ten years ago with my best mate, Stuart, after reading a news article which reported that the average Will is 7 years old when the testator dies. He said he hadn’t made a Will and, now knowing that average, he had no intention to make one because, from his late 50s, he planned on living much longer than 7 years and that to make a Will now would jinx him.
I finally managed to persuade him of the sense in it and, together, we produced simple back-to-back Wills for himself and his wife. He died 4 years later – probably still blaming me for his early demise. Sorry, pal.
I re-wrote mine last year……. - Moor Larkin
May 14, 2014 at 10:48 am -
In the event of my sudden death just now I publicly will that I am fricasseed and served at the annual UK journalist banquet.
My will be done.
Eat me.- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 11:03 am -
With the added benefit that they will all die of acute food poisoning. Absolute genius!
- Moor Larkin
May 14, 2014 at 11:14 am -
Hopefully they’ll have choked to death long before the toxins seep through.
Dem bones, dem bones, dem dry bones…….- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 11:21 am -
You’re too kind. I was hoping for protracted and painful
- Ho Hum
- Moor Larkin
- Ho Hum
- Carol42
May 14, 2014 at 11:08 am -
I have had a will since I married and when my husband died I quickly made a now one. I too have never had any fear of death but had a discussion with my son after my cancer dx, ok for the moment. I want cremated but don’t much care what happens after that, just a body then not me.
- binao
May 14, 2014 at 11:57 am -
I had made wills for myself & wife some years before she died, and was able to sort everything out without going to probate, despite one or two people trying to be difficult.
But back to death.
A very nice & superbly competent Macmillan nurse advised me not to let my wife get taken into hospital when things got bad, because ‘it’s not a good place to die’. It’s not too good at home either, but at least my wife wasn’t alone.
I know the body is not the person; I know the grave is a symbol only, but I still feel the need to keep it neat and visit regularly. Spent ages trying to decide what to put on the stone. Similarly I feel obliged to visit my sister in a cemetery in H. Vienne.
No idea if it’s social conditioning or what, sometimes you can think about things too much.- thespecialone
May 16, 2014 at 9:16 pm -
This is complete opposite to what Macmillan wanted for my mum who died on Easter Sunday just gone. They kept insisting she went into a hospice because she was dying but my stepfather said no and told them to get lost. She stayed at home with my stepfather as her carer. She went into hospital last summer and came out a lot worse than she went in. It was as if the Macmillan nurses and the hospital wanted mum to die sooner rather than later. The GP though was great and when she did die (at home) he said she would not have lasted so long if she had gone to a hospital or hospice.
- thespecialone
- binao
- Moor Larkin
May 14, 2014 at 11:25 am -
The death of millions is a tragedy.
The death of me is a cause for celebration.
Josef Stalin – 1953 - Henry the Horse
May 14, 2014 at 11:40 am -
I always thought the Irish tradition of the wake is a wonderful one. Its spirit is very well captured in a series of photographs taken by John Minihan in the 60s:
http://johnminihan.blogspot.be/p/athy-county-kildare.html - rabbitaway
May 14, 2014 at 12:19 pm -
Keep your friends close – keep the executors of your will closer still !
rabbitaway.blogspot.co.uk/2014/05/the-charity-box.html
- Clarissa
May 14, 2014 at 1:22 pm -
I wrote my will in my early 20s, at the same time as my bother, as we’d both recently inherited a 50% share of an sizeable asset. Whilst I don’t know about him, I’ve not updated mine since then as my wishes as to the disposal of anything left have not changed and my personal circumstances have not changed in any way (e.g. marriage) that might invalidate it.
When I had a major operation early last year I did prepare for the worst by leaving some guidance for my immediate family to follow, although that was mostly about people to contact. The method in which the meatsack I currently inhabit is disposed of doesn’t particularly bother me and since funerals are for the living, not the dead, whatever makes them comfortable is fine by me.
- Joe Public
May 14, 2014 at 1:33 pm -
I suspect more than one AnnaR reader/commenter would have one similar to this:-
http://www.snopes.com/photos/signs/headstone.asp
Scroll to bottom ……..
- Demelza
May 14, 2014 at 2:07 pm -
I play the organ in church, so I see a lot of funerals. The current going rate is £50 a time: in most Catholic churches funerals and weddings are the only time the organist gets paid. I much prefer funerals, there isn’t months of planning and build-up beforehand and, apart from favourite hymns, I get to choose what to play. I’m not rooting for people to choose all their funeral music, it would be much harder work for me!
As for my resting place, my family know I want a traditional grave yard scene with a priest that looks like Dave Allen and parents worried one of their kids will fall into the hole. I love graveyards, walking round they tell such intriguing stories, and I see being a footnote in that mish-mash of old and new graves, some well tended and others falling to bits. Walking round the grounds of our village CofE church, the stones from the second half of the 19th century all have little verses on, like greeting card messages; the name of the monumental mason is appended, and I can imagine him persuading the families to have these ditties added, and rubbing his hands at the per-letter fees he was earning.
I haven’t been with someone when they died, others in the family have been on the spot, but we’re blessed to live in an age of palliative care and morphine so that, as you write, for most people death is peaceful. Now, if we could call off the lawyers who seem to see every death as a potential lawsuit, we’d be getting somewhere.- Mudplugger
May 14, 2014 at 3:39 pm -
Conducting some family research recently involved trawling round a few graveyards. Reading pre-20th century gravestones brings home to you just how many died so very young, only around a century ago.
One family branch lived and worked in a coal-mining area: the quantity of graves of their young men, some as young as 14, who died in many different pit accidents suggests that the implementation of Health & Safety at Work was not altogether a bad thing, indeed long overdue.
- Mudplugger
- expofunction
May 14, 2014 at 2:18 pm -
Your wish Anna – as a keen gardener – to be recycled, reminds me of the planned epitaph of a keen gardener I knew: “Makes good compost.”
- Michael J. McFadden
May 14, 2014 at 2:34 pm -
Well written and thought out as always Anna!
“I would like to be put to good use fertilising a rose – my Aunt and Uncle are doing a magnificent job providing nutrient to a (now) enormous magnolia tree in deepest Shropshire; I’ve checked on its progress via Google from time to time, unbeknown to the present owners of that property – it was their wish, and certainly a more useful function than cluttering up a council cemetery under acres of grass.”
And I think that’s wonderful!
I’ve never liked either of the main alternatives particularly, (getting burned up or sealed underground in a box), but usually comfort myself with the thought that “it’s just a body” and has little or nothing to do with “me” (or at least what might be “me” after my heart stops beating for a while.) If I had my druthers I’d be buried wrapped in a sheet so I could quickly move into nourishing the worms and magnolias without having to deal with being all boined to a krisp first. :>
Since neither main alternative seems particularly pleasant, I’ve opted for cremation since it’s cheaper and it doesn’t seem right to burden anyone with extra expense for an alternative that I can’t see as being truly better than the ashes.
Heh, *one* thing that I’ve done recently that was fun and a bit unusual was writing and publishing my own “obituary” of a sort. I added a one page “In Memoriam” at the end of my TobakkoNacht — The Antismoking Endgame in standard obit format. It’ll be shared online someday (hopefully not soon!) unless I find that immortality pill I know I’ve got stashed someplace in my basement or I get bitten by a friendly neighborhood vampire. :> I had fun writing it because it allowed me to take a pre-emptive poke at the Antismokers who’d otherwise probably get their jollies with comments about my “early death due to smoking” if I kick off anytime before 85 or so. I note in it that if I exit via a sudden lack of heartbeat that it will likely be largely due to the thousands of hours I’ve spent sitting on my keister here fighting the Antis with my typing fingers. :>
In terms of a wake or funeral, it would be nice if it were legal (I don’t think it *is* in the U.S. at least) for people to have in-home, in-bed wakes like that pictured in Henry’s link just above. I would think it wouldn’t be that expensive or difficult to manufacture “in-home display beds” that would be sort of like open, lidless beds with a frame where the frame would be hollow and filled with pressurized liquid oxygen or somesuch that would slowly bleed out (or something along those lines) to preserve the body at 35 degrees or so for several days for a proper wake period with visitors without annoying odiferousness. The framing part could be reusable/refillable so the rental costs for it wouldn’t need to be excessive. The whole “fill the corpse with formaldehyde” thing just seems a bit too weird to really be attractive to me.
As far as visiting graves… my family never really emphasized the idea so it never caught on with me. And in terms of my beliefs about what happens after death I don’t really see the point: I kinda doubt I’m going to be floating around watching the worms or wriggling around in the ashes right there and waving at loved ones who stop by. I *do* feel that there’s some connection with close ones who have passed on, and will “speak to them” in my thoughts sometimes, but there’s no feeling that being physically close to their remains would make it any more likely for such “speaking” to actually reach them in any way.
OK… I’m afraid I may have now meandered on for longer than Anna’s initial entry here. LOL! Anna, thank you for the opening. See ya later sometime when we’re both floating around out there (hopefully!)
Michael
- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 4:24 pm -
Enjoyed that, thanks!
When I was a lad, it was normal for the deceased to be laid out in their coffins at home, with the funeral service carried out there. Seeing one of my grandfathers there when I was 7, did quite a bit to dispel any irrational fear of death in itself
Not too usual now , but there are cultural variations. My wife went to a Carribbean funeral at church, a baby who died just after birth, and a fortnight later this little one was laid out in an open coffin and everyone invited to file by for a look. She didn’t know what to do, but as, as someone said above, funerals are for the living, did the decent, and in the circumstances, the right thing. Was a bit of a shock to the system though!
As an aside, there was a lady at our church up home who had been a missionary abroad until she retired in her 70s. When she died, they held her funeral, and all the usual activities took place. Couple of days later, the undertaker discovered that they had mixed up two bodies and they had to do some of it over again. Knowing her, I’m sure that she’d have thought it priceless that two sets of funeral attendants and gravediggers, or the same ones twice, had the Good News of Jesus preached to them on her passing away. LOL
- Michael J. McFadden
May 14, 2014 at 5:01 pm -
My father was always very, very scrupulous about being on time, particularly for such important events as Sunday masses and such things. So, despite the event generally being a sad one, there was a humorous note to his funeral mass. Our parish chuch had two “churches” : the main big one upstairs that was usually reserved just for the main Sunday masses, and the smaller one downstairs for funeral masses and such things.
As they went to bring the coffin into the downstairs church they discovered a problem with one of the double doors it had to go through. They pushed and pulled, and sweated and jigggled and fiddled and faddled, and finally, after close to a half hour of trying, they decided to move the mass upstairs.
So he managed to be late for his own funeral!
To top the day off in everyone’s memory, the mass was being said by the very formal pastor of the parish, and he was evidently distressed by having his own daily schedule a bit screwed up. So, he began going through the proper words of the ceremony perhaps a bit more quickly than he normally might have. My Irish uncle, who was very distressed over the loss of his brother, had stayed up most of the night and finished off a fifth of Scotch. About five minutes into the service, as the pastor paused for breath, my uncle calls out from the middle of the church, “Whatcha in such a damn rush for? Ya got a date or sumthin?”
The look on the pastor’s face was PRICELESS! He proceeded at a more sedate pace.
:>
MJM- sally stevens
May 14, 2014 at 10:37 pm -
I love it!!
- sally stevens
- Michael J. McFadden
- Ho Hum
- Jim Bates
May 14, 2014 at 3:54 pm -
I’ve never believed in co-incidence so I want to know who told you that ‘er indoors and I went to a solicitor this morning to prepare to make a will.
(Who was that who shouted ‘paranoid’?)
The net result will resemble: I … being of sound mind, spent it all while I was alive. So long and thanks for all the fish.
- Tony (Somerset)
May 14, 2014 at 4:58 pm -
Be careful about your funeral wishes. I heard of someone who requested that the music from “Robin Hood, Prince of Thieves” be played at his funeral.
What he actually got was this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbyYr6L5xQM
- Ho Hum
May 15, 2014 at 10:49 pm -
I want piped music in my coffin
I had in mind The Velvet Underground playing ‘I’m waiting for the Man’
- Ho Hum
- Roobeedoo
May 14, 2014 at 5:58 pm -
Hubby and I have chosen our own funeral songs (in a folder, on the desktop). I hope I go before him- I don’t relish having to explain ‘I’m in the mood for dancing’.
- thespecialone
May 16, 2014 at 9:22 pm -
I have actually stated in my will that I want “Happiness” by Ken Dodd! I wish I could be alive to see the reaction. Oh and everybody who drinks alcohol must drink as much as they can and all girls under the age of 30 and over the age of 16 must wear a mini skirt and high heels. Ok the last bit is a wish but my wife has said no!!!
- thespecialone
- Michael J. McFadden
May 14, 2014 at 6:04 pm -
There’s an old Irish funeral joke that might be appropriate here:
Three Irishmen at a wake are discussing what they hope some of their friends might say when looking down at them at their own wakes.
Paddy says, I hope someone says, “He was a good and giving man.”
O’Riley says, I hope someone says, “He took good care of his family and always said his prayers.”
McFadden says, I hope someone says, “Look! He’s moving!”;>
MJM - Gloria Smudd
May 14, 2014 at 6:21 pm -
I’d like a horse-drawn hearse and a funeral at a pretty country church. I’d like my family and friends to be sorry that I was gone but glad they had known me. I’d like them raise their lusty voices and sing loud a couple of dignified hymns. I’d like to be taken off for a private cremation with no-one there at all because everyone was enjoying a good laugh and a hearty knees-up at a good pub with good food and good ale. I’d like my ashes strewn into some fast-flowing mountain spring in the North East perchance that a bit of my gritty remains might find its way down to the sea.
Instead, I expect I’ll be trundled off to the crematorium in a wheelbarrow where five bored people will listen to a quick-fire rundown of my shortcomings followed by couple of verses of ‘Fat Bottomed Girls’ as the coffin trundles behind the curtain. Two of the ‘stricken mourners’ will have to return to London immediately after the service and the other three will probably drive to the Little Chef for an All Day Breakfast before settling back to building a Motocross track, sharpening a chainsaw and reading a book respectively. If they are ever collected from the undertaker, my ashes will no doubt be left in the cheap ‘scatter tube’ by the back door amongst the work boots and wellies for anywhere up to three years and, if and when anyone remembers what they are, I wouldn’t put it past them just to pour me secretly into the cat litter tray!
- Michael J. McFadden
May 14, 2014 at 7:45 pm -
” I wouldn’t put it past them just to pour me secretly into the cat litter tray!”
LOL! The thing that got me laughing on this one is that I’m sure that at SOME point, there’s been at LEAST one widow out there who’s been ticked off for years at her husband’s philandering and his habit of kicking the cat that she’s probably done just that! (heh, probably more like a hundred!)
:>
MJM- Gloria Smudd
May 14, 2014 at 9:09 pm -
Yes, and all I have done is to be ‘less than easy-on-the-eye’, had a fat bottom, a quarrelsome nature, no teeth and a glass eye. It’s the cat litter for me and no mistake.
- Michael J. McFadden
May 14, 2014 at 10:20 pm -
Hmm… which brings up the question…
What do they do with glass eyes during cremations?
MJM
- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 11:38 pm -
They retrieve them for those who want to have a small marble headstone
- Michael J. McFadden
May 14, 2014 at 11:49 pm -
Whew… picture having a sculptured bust on your headstones with realistic looking glass eyes that would sorta follow you around…
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MJM, Chief Commissioner Of Graveyard Frivolity- Ho Hum
May 15, 2014 at 12:15 am
- Ho Hum
- Gloria Smudd
May 15, 2014 at 6:20 am -
@ Ho Hum: They retrieve them for those who want to have a small marble headstone
I wish I’d thought of that!
- Michael J. McFadden
- Ho Hum
- Michael J. McFadden
- Gloria Smudd
- Michael J. McFadden
- sally stevens
May 14, 2014 at 6:44 pm -
At one time, there was a bloke here in So. Cal. who would collect your ashes, and then mix them into fireworks that he made. He’d then get out on his boat and fire off the fireworks, while those left behind enjoyed the firework show from the beach. If nobody showed up, then strangers on the beach could enjoy the fireworks instead. I think he was asked to not do that anymore, so now I’d like my ashes mixed into a small container you can purchase which holds an incipient tree. The container is then put into the ground, and a tree grows in good time.
I still like the fireworks idea the best, though.
- Joe Public
May 14, 2014 at 10:15 pm -
- sally stevens
May 14, 2014 at 10:45 pm -
Thanks, Joe, very thoughtful! However, the reason the fireworks bloke stopped doing it off the beach was because unless you pull a permit to do fireworks displays – which isn’t cheap – the cops will give you a ticket (or probably the Harbormaster or coast guard). Nowadays, you can’t scatter ashes in the ocean here without going pretty far out. All that mostly gets ignored because it’s sort of hard to tell what people are actually up to, and if a bunch of surfers take the ashes out, which is common, who’s going to go out there and check on what they’re doing?
But, you can do the fireworks in the UK – Heaven’s Above provides the service! http://www.heavensabovefireworks.com/
and someone has beaten the system here in California at last, but I think it has to be on land and not in the middle of the ocean! Angel’s Flight will do the service. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/15/cremated-ashes-used-for-fireworks_n_2886321.html
- sally stevens
- Joe Public
- JK
May 14, 2014 at 6:54 pm -
I usually waits awhile you know Anna but then I have to ask …
Requiem for Tommy?
But – just in case – me not you … Merry Christmas!
- Winterwolf
May 14, 2014 at 7:28 pm -
I’d definitely like a Viking funeral – my boat into the afterlife set onto fire and drifting into the morning fog….
No idea what the Health and Safety Regulations around that would be, though….if I held a sword over my chest would I be charged with possession of a deadly weapon, even though I was dead? Would PCSOs wait for backup (armed with Tasers) before wading in after me?
Failing that, the tree or fireworks ideas sound nice…
- johnnyrvf
May 14, 2014 at 7:47 pm -
I was just chatting to my wife about this very subject on monday last. I decided I want my ashes spread over the fields on the road leading down to the Bastide Village of Molieres a few kilometres south east of here not a million mile from chez vous Anna. Got to get the will sorted first mind.
- Ho Hum
May 14, 2014 at 7:59 pm -
If we’re now into what we want to be buried in, I’ll settle for my Rolls Royce. Haven’t got it yet, and as affording it is still a long long way off, I’ll probably live forever
- Edward Spalton
May 15, 2014 at 1:49 am -
Our local newspaper, the otherwise estimable a Derby Telegraph, has abolished death. The notices are now headed “Bereavements”
- right-writes
May 15, 2014 at 11:30 am -
No such coyness in the north east of Italy where I was recently…
They have notice boards in various public places that list and picture the recent nearby deaths.
They are called “Necrologi”.
- right-writes
- p sok
May 15, 2014 at 4:36 am -
Best to bounce a check to ones funeral director
- SagaxSenex
May 15, 2014 at 9:25 am -
Lafcadio Hearn specified that his ashes were to put into a vase of value two sen (a very small amount of money) and buried at the foot of Mount Fuji. I’ve always admired that.
- therealguyfaux
May 15, 2014 at 3:44 pm -
An imaginative and “socially-responsible” way to dispose of your remains, one which was even featured in a Stephen Fry travel show one time:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_farm - sally stevens
May 15, 2014 at 6:48 pm -
The Body Farm gets a lot of left-overs. It’s very useful for both medicine and forensics.
- Michael J. McFadden
May 15, 2014 at 9:40 pm -
I just watched “The Deadly Death of the Dearly Departed” — Episode 16 of Season 4 of the TV series, Bones. If there are any on-again, off-again Bones fans out there familiar enough with the characters to appreciate their interactions, this is a GREAT episode! I virtually never find enough “funniness” in a TV episode of a show to crack more than a single good chuckle. I got about four full spontaneous belly laughs out of this particular episode.
Can’t say much more without making spoilers, but if you like Bones and you’ve got Netflix or some other way of calling up the episodes, try this one out. Quite on-topic here!
MJM
- Dave
May 15, 2014 at 9:54 pm -
Death was an everyday occurrence in Victorian times.
Death was a part of life and in the papers every week. Sex was hardly mentioned (and only in the vaguest terms).
These days sex is everywhere and death never gets a mention except in the vaguest terms.
Funny old world.For myself, I’ve had a brush with death in the last few years. I’m in remission and fully aware of my own mortality. We’ve made our wills and talked about what kind of service etc. However, i can’t get too excited about whether it’s cremation or burial. I’m not bothered. Put me in a black binbag and leave me for the refuse collection for all I care
- Timbo
May 16, 2014 at 9:39 pm -
We live in a small rustic village in the north of Spain. As our sanitary arrangements are less than optimum, I have told my wife to put my ashes in the toilet and flush. That way I will get the sea burial I want.
- JohnM
May 17, 2014 at 8:26 am -
So..who has been through the NHS ¨end of life¨ planning?
The admin/nurses told me that the take-up was pretty poor.
Strange really, as it is not offered to those in good health!
Once the ¨green slip¨ is issued the remains/body/corpse can be shipped to the crematorium without all the palaver attached to buying a cheap wooden box for an inflated price. Which probably won´t be burnt anyway! - JohnM
May 17, 2014 at 8:32 am -
Never forgetting the endless copies of the ¨definitely not living anymore¨ certificate so that various organisations can be assured you are, indeed, no longer ¨with us¨ (at 5 quid a shot).
I pondered upon the rather large industry that has successfully attached itself to death some years ago…from the moment the last breath is expelled there is someone there to make money from it!
To solve the problem of banks, leave your details for immediate withdrawal of funds with your ¨loved¨ ones..property is another problem that has attached parasites to reward with large grren wads of cash…
The list is endless!- binao
May 18, 2014 at 7:23 am -
True JohnM, there will be a requirement for death certificates and notarised copies of the will, photocopies definitely not acceptable, but it’s all manageable if a bit time consuming. Having a joint bank a/c is handy, and my village branch of Lloyds were very helpful, & no charges. Our home was in joint names, but a phone call to land registry and the record was updated, no fuss.
The lesson learned is that it’s worth being obsessive with keeping the important paperwork tidy, in life & death.
- binao
- Mal
May 17, 2014 at 5:38 pm -
I was convinced I was going to die at 56 – same age as my dad was. I hated the prissy funeral websites so I built my own, retro, semi-serious danceonmygrave.com which plans from diagnosis to wake.
It’s such a relief having my dying care- plan all sorted and my special messages written.
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