The Lost Boy.
Jason Patric is an actor, a good looking and personable young man, best known for starring in ‘The Lost Boys’. He is currently unemployed, totally consumed by a search for his own ‘Lost Boy’ – young Gus.
Jason was in a ‘relationship’ with masseur Danielle Schreiber for ten years. They never married, indeed, they didn’t always share a home during that time – but they continued to try to have a child. Both of them, and I stress, both of them, underwent painful surgical procedures to try to ensure conception. Eventually they opted for IVF treatment. It was successful and in December 2009, young Gus was born. His middle name is Theodore, a family name in the Patric pedigree.
When the IVF treatment started, Patric signed a 20 page document at the clinic declaring that he was the ‘intended parent’ however, he was not named on the resultant child’s birth certificate. There is no doubt as to the child’s parentage, and the fact that a Mother can, and sometimes does, decide for herself whether to reveal who the Father is on a birth certificate may or may not be relevant to this.
There are copious images on the Internet of Jason, Danielle and their son Gus – but none date after Father’s Day 2011 – coincidentally Jason Patric’s birthday. Whatever happy relationship that had occurred before then came to a full stop on that day.
Since then, it has become a battle of lawyers. It is possibly no coincidence either, that Danielle Schreiber’s father is James Schreiber, a well known New York lawyer. It is not just the usual battle for child support, nor even a relatively simple one of visitation rights. It is far more profound than that.
After ten years of a relationship, Ms Schreiber rests her case on a simple legal fact. Under California law, unless you have both signed a legal document specifying that the donor of sperm via a doctor is intended to be treated as the ‘natural father’ – then he isn’t. He is just a sperm donor. ‘Intended parent’ is not good enough.
Danielle’s lawyers say that this was no accident – “Danielle knew about the law before she chose to proceed with a known sperm donation” – she certainly would have known her fertility law, Danielle was one of the first sets of quads born following fertility treatment.
It was a well intentioned law, designed to protect all parties from later action by (usually) anonymous sperm donors – and in many quarters of the Internet (those with a marked and conspicuous feminist agenda, I have to say) this case is being presented as nothing more than a heinous attempt by a mere ‘sperm donor’ to take away the ‘rights’ of a woman to decide herself what is best for ‘her’ child in a manner uncomplicated by squawking from the test tube in the fridge…..
However Jason is building up a sizeable support for his ‘Stand up for Gus‘ Foundation. He has raised hundreds of thousands of dollars to pay for legal assistance for other fathers involved in similar situations who may not have his financial assets. This in turn has caused another legal battle. Ms Shreiber’s attorney, Ms Glaser, says “We are asking him not to use the child’s name and likeness for commercial purposes without mom’s permission,”
“The relief requested by Ms. Schreiber is much broader than Patty Glaser describes,” responds Lawrence Iser, the Kinsella Weitzman attorney attempting to stand up to the restraining order motion. “They are asking the Court to permanently enjoin Mr. Patric from publicly using the child’s name or likeness for any commercial, charitable, or personal purpose. Our country is founded upon the fundamental rights to speak freely and petition for causes, and the censorship sought by Ms. Schreiber is contrary to those fundamental values. Ms. Schrieber seeks a prior restraint on Mr. Patric’s free speech, which is presumptively unconstitutional under the First Amendment and the California Constitution.”
This is more than a battle for custody, more than a squabble over child support – this is turning into a battle for free speech, a battle over property rights – who ‘owns a child’, and a battle to determine what exactly is a Father. Is it just a biological fact of sperm authorship?
Young Gus will inevitably be the loser in all this – he was conceived with sperm from a man who wants to have a relationship with him, who has enjoyed a relationship with him in the past – and who objects to being turned into a clinical fact – the name on the test tube in the fridge – in his son’s eyes, as a result of the breakdown of his relationship with his Mother.
Does Gus have any rights in this, should he have any rights?
What do you think?
- John Galt
May 7, 2014 at 10:27 am -
She can’t have it both ways, he was good enough to be a father to the child for the first 10-years of his son’s life and now he has been relegated to the level of a “sperm donor”?
It is exactly this sort of post-marital bullshit and evisceration of mens rights that has undermined the institution of marriage in the West.
Why should men commit to marriage, the most stable form of raising children if he is treated as little more than a sperm donor and walking cash machine.
No wonder there is the common refrain “Where have all the good men gone?” in agony columns.
- John Galt
May 7, 2014 at 10:44 am -
Apologies, didn’t realise they weren’t married – but still…
- Ed P
May 7, 2014 at 12:45 pm -
They were a couple for ten years – the child is only 4 1/2 years old.
- John Galt
- rabbitaway
May 7, 2014 at 10:32 am -
I think, that they should have got married before they had a child !
- SpectrumIsGreen
May 7, 2014 at 10:51 am -
Hit the nail on the head Rabbitaway! Getting married before having children avoids a lot of parental-related problems later on.
- Moor Larkin
May 7, 2014 at 11:01 am -
Fatherly fun in Michigan:
“Sometimes a married woman gives birth to a child whose biological father is not her husband. Although the husband is not the child’s actual parent, he is the child’s legal parent under Michigan law. The husband is the legal parent of every child born or conceived during the marriage.”
http://michiganlegalhelp.org/self-help-tools/family/non-marital-children-born-during-marriage - Henry the Horse
May 7, 2014 at 11:47 am -
I wouldn’t be so sure about that …
- Woman on a Raft
May 7, 2014 at 2:50 pm -
Depends where you are. In Britain this was a common law assumption which was deliberately abolished in the late 1980s. The child of a marriage was assumed to be the natural child of the marriage, a very old convention indeed. Abolition meant that later, David Blunkett was able to force the child of another married man to take a DNA test on the off-chance that it might have been his instead of the husband’s. (One was, one was not).
Michigan law is therefore very much what ours was. The convention grows out of the curious but demonstrable willingness of husbands to become attached to children, knowing that the law will defend their relationship providing it grows out of marriage, should the legal marriage break down. Even if they don’t look as much like each other.
What we have seen is not the upholding of fatherhood by shifting it to genetics but the undermining of paternity by shifting it away from contract.
- Moor Larkin
May 7, 2014 at 3:22 pm -
I’m guessing a big reason for the UK change of law was to legally facilitate the abortion that was the CSA project.
- Woman on a Raft
May 7, 2014 at 4:58 pm -
A credible theory. The CSA project sought, in theory, to extend what the old bastardy orders did in any case: establish that the parish could recover costs from the father automatically rather than making each one of them a separate paternity dispute. The crappily-written legislation then got in to areas of divorce in an effort to take them out of court, which only resulted in disturbing many clean-break settlements. But in general, yes, I would regard it as part of a larger matrix of measures which were designed to reduce marriage to a purely ornamental status with fewer and fewer rights attached to it.
- Woman on a Raft
- Moor Larkin
- Woman on a Raft
- Moor Larkin
- JuliaM
May 7, 2014 at 11:13 am -
Rabbitaway, how terribly old- fashioned of you…
- rabbitaway
May 7, 2014 at 12:06 pm -
I know, awful innit. But seriously, why do these people go to so much trouble to have a child when they have no intention of making any lasting commitment to each other. I can’t help but feel that so many do so for purely selfish reasons. And, yes, I am kinda old fashioned about some things, and proud of it !
- Carol42
May 7, 2014 at 3:50 pm -
I guess I am old fashioned too, I quite agree with you there seems to be little or no thought for the child in all this. It will be a while before we find out if or how the sperm donor children fare in later life. Unless there are things we don’t know it seems criminal to me to deprive a child of a father who loves him and wants to be involved in his life. I think I would be very resentful when I was old enough to understand.
- Carol42
- rabbitaway
- SpectrumIsGreen
- Joe Public
May 7, 2014 at 10:46 am -
For what it’s worth, my humble opinion is that if Gus shares Jason’s DNA, then Jason’s the father & that trumps lawyer-made laws.
“Young Gus will inevitably be the loser in all this”; and the legal-eagles are guaranteed financial enrichment.
- rabbitaway
May 7, 2014 at 10:56 am -
Off topic, but Jason was the star of ‘Sleepers’ – an excellent film, said to be a true story of child sex abuse ! Just saying
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQu7BaU6UtA
- Moor Larkin
May 7, 2014 at 11:28 am -
Deja-view?
“The director said he believed it was unlikely that Mr. Carcaterra would have written about his own sexual brutalization by prison guards if it were not true. ”Do you know anybody who would want to write about that if it hadn’t happened to them?” Mr. Levinson asked. ”Do you know what I’m saying? What’s the motivation for that? It just doesn’t add up.”
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/22/movies/sleepers-debate-renewed-how-true-is-a-true-story.html- rabbitaway
May 7, 2014 at 1:25 pm -
More here Moor – stories of untrue ‘true’ stories !!
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.true-crime/33oX9NJKJuY- Moor Larkin
May 7, 2014 at 1:58 pm -
Hollywood is not known as the Dream factory for nothing. Savile – The Movie is probably only a matter of time and it most certainly is a true story is it not? Everyone says so. Maybe Brian Singer will direct…….
- Moor Larkin
- rabbitaway
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
May 7, 2014 at 11:30 am -
The legalistic floodgates issue is the the rights of child in relation to a sperm donor. Didn’t Sweden grant the right for a child to know the donor – and didn’t this result in a dramatic drop in donations? I don’t think anywhere there is a right of sperm donor in relation to child. But the issue here is Patric’s relationship with Gus prior to cut off – in that respect Patric is in the position and having no legal rights but has Gus got any rights if he wishes to resume a relationship with the man who was his father in effect? There must be similar cases where a child is effectively a step-child from birth or early childhood outside marriage.
I’ve seen reports of wrangles re sperm donors in lesbian couples – they are certainly litigated over here so there must be some leverage.
So I suppose the way to resolve it would be for it to be seen as a former quasi step-child rather than as a paternal suit, artificial as this may be. But then so is IVF.
Who knows how the IVF/sperm-egg surragacy conundrum may be viewed in the future? Will it be seen as some kind of terrible ‘trauma’ visited on the unborn? Course for now we all play happy families – but well – who knows – no it’s not like adoption that is after the event – this is intentional. - Clarissa
May 7, 2014 at 11:57 am -
Daft (possibly) question: Did Danielle put down Gus’ surname as Schreiber or Patric on the birth certificate?
- Ed P
May 7, 2014 at 12:52 pm -
There are no real basic rights for Gus (or anyone else), but lawyers grow fat arguing over them.
Will Gus benefit from contact with his natural father if the mother is so antagonistic? It seems likely a son-sharing legal arrangement could cause more emotional turmoil for the child than having contact with just one (either) parent.
- Ian B
May 7, 2014 at 1:54 pm -
So, since men are just sperm donors, there is no rational obligation for them to pay child support, right?
- Moor Larkin
May 7, 2014 at 3:02 pm -
Just struck me that the CPS used his stage name, in their media output. They didn’t talk about ‘Ken Barlow’ did they.
- Moor Larkin
May 7, 2014 at 3:02 pm -
oops… wrong blogpost… please delete……
- Moor Larkin
- Ho Hum
May 7, 2014 at 11:36 pm -
They fuck you up, your egg and sperm,
you might wish you’d not made term- Carol42
May 8, 2014 at 12:48 am -
Great comment!
- Carol42
- Woman on a Raft
May 8, 2014 at 8:46 am -
Patric signed a 20 page document at the clinic declaring that he was the ‘intended parent’
It would be instructive to see what that 20-page document said. Is it quite what he claims, or is he confusing the consent form with another letter, also said to be 20 pages, which he wrote to the lady?
For example, the dba Fertility Centre of California (not the only clinic in CAL, I do not know which one they used) publishes its consent forms. The clinic deals with people using identified sperm donors as well as anonymous ones, but in respect of being an anonymous sperm donor, the general term applies:
“I waive and disclaim any rights to offspring born of artificial insemination”
While for a known donor the wording is different but ultimately does the same job at s.5
..relinquish any and all claims to or jurisdiction over offspring/child ….http://www.spermbankcalifornia.com/media/Consent-to-Perform-AI-using-DD-sperm1.pdf
This is not 20 pages, it is barely 3 pages and is clearer than the one I just signed for my house insurance. It goes out of its way to be clear so that later on, nobody can say they were tricked by the small print.
Sperm donation can only exist as a service so long as that donation does not entail creating any rights to the offspring. If every donor can then challenge what they freely signed, having signalled they understood what donorship meant, and seek to intervene in the recipient’s life, then the service has to shut down. Either everybody abides by that rule, or there is no game.
Essentially, Mr Patric’s genetic relationship to the child is irrelevant; he made it irrelevant when he agreed to be a sperm donor. I am quite surprised that the recipient did not get her rulings in the interim but US law is perhaps wiser in its insistence on having issues played out in public.
In the end, it is very simple. If he wanted to be a parent, he needed to be identified as the natural father explicitly or – as Rabbitaway said first out – that he could have married the lady before they began and sought a willing bride if she did not want to marry him. I’m sure he is not short of takers.
I do not see where this engages any issues of freedom of expression; I’m betting he already waived those, too (see other paras of the consent forms). The only issue appears to be that the allegation that the recipient created, outside of the sperm donor framework, an expectation that this donor would be involved with the child. However, the recipient disagrees with this and that it was always intended that Mr Patric would be limited to providing the sperm instead of the anonymous donor sample which had been arranged.
Does Gus have any rights in this,
Depends on jurisdiction. Gus may the right to identify his sire. That right has been met.
should he have any rights?
He already received the only right worth a damn: the right to life. The alternative for Gus was to not exist at all.
I personally would never consider AI, but I do understand that if you are desperate, it is still better than going out and having sex with an unscreened stranger. To that purpose, the service has to be protected ahead of Mr Patric’s wish to overturn any consents which he already signed.
- Moor Larkin
May 8, 2014 at 8:52 am -
I wonder why the sperm recipient fell out with the sperm donor on that fateful Fathers Day…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qku2bevc9ho
- Moor Larkin
- Ho Hum
May 8, 2014 at 9:46 am -
Whilst admirable in intent, if you relegate any ongoing relationship to the base absurdity that the creation of life within that could be reduced to some legal transfer of living cells without any ongoing rights or responsibility resting on the donor party, then what on earth is the point of the ‘father’ seeking any sort of permanence of relationship in the first place
And what with proposals such as the following….
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-27315418
…..why should men bother taking the risk?
If things carry on at this rate, in a number of generations time we will land up with
– A small number of women thinking that they have everything that they could ever have wished for
– A large number of women never being able to have what they might have wished for and would give everything to haveBut maybe I’m old and fuddy duddy
- Daresay
May 8, 2014 at 9:47 am -
I read some of my ex-wife’s radical feminist essays she did at university……’seizing control of the family unit’ amongst other hate-filled rantings. Men are light-years behind women with this social engineering stuff. Feminists are deeply embedded at Universities, researching, planning and executing their wants. Some really do advocate that all sex is rape and procreation should be done by artificial insemination with women having sole control thereafter…….it’s never about ‘equality’.
Sadly, I did not read my ex-wife’s stuff until after we had separated by which time she was already denying me access to our son and ruining me financially. She never mentioned these beliefs of her’s until after the birth of our child and she knew she ‘had’ me over a barrel.
So with due respect to those that say he should have got married…..it wouldn’t have mattered and it could have been even messier for him. There is a pretence we have a legal system to act fairly but you can waste tens of thousands on court expenses and the mother knows that if she continues hostility and alienation with the child then no one will stop her. Dad will be excluded as it is deemed bad for the child. Social Services appear happy to take children off parents so why they don’t do it with implacably hostile mothers i don’t know.
So this child is at school….it’s coming up to fathers day….children are making cards at school like mine used to. What is his card going to say?
A chance for a child to have a relationship with his ‘biological father’ who wants to be involved in his life….nah…stuff what is good for the child, it’s not what mummy wants. It will boil down to who wins the legal battle, not what is morally right.
Sadly, just as ‘clever’ women say all men are potential rapists, i regard all women as potential ‘father-robbers’. I remain single and yes I am evidently bitter….. kinda sad eh!
- GildasTheMonk
May 8, 2014 at 12:59 pm -
A sad and cautionary tale
- GildasTheMonk
- Ho Hum
May 8, 2014 at 10:02 am -
Just read this and I could have cried
I don’t think most people have yet got their heads round the impact that people with these mind sets, now also probably being deeply embedded within the UK’s institutions, might be having
Some of the policy and legal stuff emanating from the great Offices of State, and its continuance from one political incumbent to the next, regardless of political hue or shade, makes little sense without some guiding minds and hands of this sort being behind it
- Ho Hum
May 8, 2014 at 10:02 am -
Drat. That was a reply to ‘Daresay’
- Ho Hum
- binao
May 8, 2014 at 10:53 am -
Must be old fashioned, but just having a little trouble thinking about why a bloke would want to be sperm donor.
Except of course by personal request.- Moor Larkin
May 8, 2014 at 12:29 pm -
Have to be a bit of a wanker I guess
- Moor Larkin
- ivan
May 8, 2014 at 11:09 am -
For some reason I think we will be seeing more of this type of problem in the future now that ‘gay marriage’ is a done deal. The thing is that I very much doubt that we will hear the usual PC feminist mantra ‘think of the children’ in that situation.
- Moor Larkin
May 8, 2014 at 12:39 pm -
I listening to Radio 5 in a rare moment of weakness a week or two back. They were doing an “investigative feature” on intra-familial child abduction. They referred to the fact that 70% of parents who ran away with their children to foreign countries (perhaps where they started out from) were the mothers. After the Break they read out an email they had just been sent, complaining that they were reinforcing stereotypes by making the ludicrous claim that women did this more than men. The guys’n’gals team (as they do nowadays) reiterated their evidence….. Presumably this alarming trend to reporting, and standing by, the truth will be clamped down upon and these two journalists dealt with appropriately. I have made a note of their names and they are now on a List.
- Moor Larkin
- Ms Mildred
May 8, 2014 at 11:49 am -
A few days ago Professor Winston, the man who helped the first IVF baby to be born, was speaking on LBC and expressing his uneasiness at some of the purposes that IVF is being used for. The expression designer baby was used, and genetically imperfect eggs being culled in a search for perfection. There was much discussion that the wealthy would always find a way round any rules made to try to stop future dubious uses . He sounded quite depressed about the future prospects. This is one to add to his list, if he didn’t already know. The dry legal interpretations possible in this instance, cover over the emotional issues of years of trying for a baby and then use of partners sperm to a successful conclusion. A crafty mother, with a close legal relative, cleverly uses the absence of the correct documentation, after a break up, to deprive a keen dad of access to his child. He had formed a bond with his son and yet the mother rules OK. Is there never a beneficial innovation without it’s downside attached? This is not donor sperm it is genetic dad sperm. Should not be subject to such legal games.
- GildasTheMonk
May 8, 2014 at 12:02 pm -
He is the father. They were in a relationship. That’s the end of it. Silly lawyers games which should get very short shrift from any court and wouldnt trouble me for 2 minutes. Then it is for the court to set up and regulate as best it can a sensible regime of contact until the young man is at least 16 at which point he can decide what he wants.
Ain’t life simple! - Ho Hum
May 8, 2014 at 12:28 pm -
Don’t worry. Messrs Sodem & Momorrah, personal injury and compensation lawyers, will roll up soon to help such mums claim that any procreationally related sexual activity was not pursued with adequate intent and that they are deserving of whatever can now be screwed out of the men involved in compensation for their time and effort
And the legislatures will then move on to declare that it will be criminal for any man not to consummate any sexual act if the woman so demands
My mind wanders when I get bored…
- Ho Hum
May 8, 2014 at 12:30 pm -
I thought that that had gone in as a reply to the Monk. On further reflection, maybe all men should become monks. It would make life simple
- GildasTheMonk
May 8, 2014 at 1:00 pm -
It certainly has its upside…!
- GildasTheMonk
- Ho Hum
- expoƒunction
May 18, 2014 at 6:19 pm -
What you’ve set out here Anna is an interesting twist on a growing and very serious problem: that of depriving a child of a parent who loves him and wants to be involved in his life and the almost complete lack of thought for that child (on the part of the parent who does that, and also on the part of the many courts left to resolve things).
The paramountcy principle – that a child’s best interest comes first – is widely acknowledged but in practice it’s often poorly applied.
In most jurisdictions that should mean the most important point is not the right of a parent to withhold or exercise contact, but the child’s fundamental right that both parents maintain for him a relationship with both his parents post separation.
Somehow – probably through 40+ years of (radical) feminist-led policy making – we’ve ended up in a situation now where courts accept as a valid starting point to proceedings: that one parent has unilaterally interfered with the child’s ability to maintain an ongoing relationship with both parents; instead of demanding they explain that conduct and answer any questions it may pose about their suitability to parent.
That parent should have to lead with evidence to justify their action – already taken – rather than the excluded parent having to lead evidence to justify being allowed to return to be a part of the child’s life. (We’re back once again – very close – to the issue of presumption of innocence.)
This lack of thought for the child often indicates a very self-absorbed personality and parenting style which can have serious long term consequences for a child. The most determined (to erase the other parent from their lives completely) of these parents convey a three-part message to the child: (1) I’m the only parent who loves you and you need me to feel good about yourself; (2) the other parent is dangerous and unavailable; and (3) pursuing a relationship with that parent jeopardizes your relationship with me. In essence the child receives the message that he is worthless and unloved and only of value for meeting the needs of others. (The core experience of emotional abuse.) Many of these children move on quite swiftly to voice vehement opposition to having anything to do with their excluded parent and describe their relationship with the parent they continue to live with as one of blissful happiness.
Interestingly – in the context of this case – American jurisdictions are more likely to afford considerable weight (especially when it comes to determining residence) to which parent is more willing to promote an ongoing and meaningful relationship with the other parent. And – for obvious reasons – antagonistic parenting is more likely to lead some of the same North American courts to consider a change in residence rather than allow antagonistic parental behaviour to somehow justify acceptance of the status quo.
The interesting twist in this case – the circumstances & procedures surrounding the IVF treatment necessary to conceive Gus – seem to support at least some of the above, but add a gendered dimension.
The father’s apparent error (everything relayed here suggests he only ever intended to be treated as the ‘natural father’) in thinking the inclusion of ‘intended parent’ on the form he signed was nothing to be concerned about, contrasts sharply with the mother’s declaration that she knew exactly what she was doing at that point. That strikes me as cynical and manipulative if not coercive, controlling behaviour (frequently a fundamental part of emotionally abusive relationships).
I’m afraid – despite my fervent support of equality – attitudes to and assessment of feminism may need recalibration if this wider problem is to be addressed. Reluctance to criticise the feminist movement; for fear of causing offence or coming under attack as supporters of patriarchy seems to have allowed much of this to take root.
I wonder if anyone else here might think there are direct parallels in Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s April 2013 challenge to her Sydney Opera House audience with questions relating to multiculturalism:
“Multiculturalism is no longer a model of racial, religious and cultural harmony, if it ever was that. Multiculturalism is indifference disguised as tolerance. It allows the free and affluent person to turn his back on those whose freedoms and rights are compromised; on the poor and the most vulnerable. It gives people an excuse to claim tolerance in the face of intolerance. Multiculturalism is moral racism disguised as broad-mindedness.”
However, I must answer to your question: “Does Gus have any rights in this, should he have any rights?” Anna. My view is he’s the one whose rights must come first. Unlike his parents, he has rights without obligations; his parents rights exist first and foremost to enable them to carry out their obligations to Gus.
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