What happens if three butterflies flap their wings simultaneously?
Edward Lorenz’s ‘Butterfly effect’ sounds positively poetic – a beautiful butterfly innocently flutters its wings in sunny Brazil; in far off Texas, ugly storm clouds gather and lives and homes are wrecked as a tornado wreaks havoc. Chaos theory would have us believe that the butterfly is responsible for the ensuing carnage.
However, butterflies emerge and flap their wings all over the world, day after day – and Texas has the occasional good weather day…! Perhaps it takes a concerted effort from a number of butterflies? (You may prefer to insert the word ‘Moth’ into the Raccoon chaos theory at this point – you will see).
I have been looking afresh at the origins of our current moral panic, only one of many down the ages, but the one we have to deal with today.
What particularly caught my attention was the frequent appearance of the claim that ‘top Tory politicians’ were involved. Reading the Felstead family’s sad and meticulous chronicling of their sister Carol’s place in the history of the Satanic Abuse moral panic – it jumped out at me. ‘Abused by two Tory politicians’ (with a claw hammer no less!). How weird that the North Wales children’s home child abuse story (now into the ‘Inquiry into the Inquiry ‘stage!) should have been so closely tied to tales of a ‘top Tory politician’ and then the ‘Elm House’ child abuse story also laying claim to the involvement of a ‘top Tory politician’ – then Duncroft and the Savile saga – so much made of his apparent connections to ‘top Tory politicians’.
Could it really be that there was a ‘top Tory politician’ who was a preda-Tory paedophile, and that people had been trying to expose him for years? Could it be that there was something about being a Tory that led one down this deviant path? Surely not the ‘public school, fags and beatings’ innuendo – for half the Labour Party is also the product of public schools!
Logically, if paedophilia is an incurable aberration of the brain, then it should be evenly distributed through the population. It didn’t make any sense – yet time and again, with the monotony of alien spacemen having green eyes, this defining characteristic turned up in early accounts that led to major outbreaks of moral panic. Did anything else connect these outbreaks?
I fell down a rabbit hole, and have only just climbed out. For the sake of brevity, I shall refer to ‘North Wales’, ‘Elm House’ and ‘Duncroft’.
Now, long before ‘North Wales’ became an investigation into abuse at a children’s home, it was an investigation into a local politician alleged to be involved in pornography and child abuse whose case had been ‘mysteriously dropped’ when the police ‘lost evidence’. The informant was not a ‘victim’ but Dennis Parry, Clywd Council leader. Dennis said that his informant was a ‘Tara Davidson’, (Richard Webster’s spelling page 189) also not a victim, but a former MI5 agent (allegedly!) who told him a long tale involving freemasons, and organisations of the Catholic Church, da dum, da dum, and the all essential politicians……this informant, who also claims to be behind subsequent stories published in the now defunct Scalleywag magazine – was none other than Andrea Davison, who prefers to be known as ‘Tara’.
Good God! Not THAT Andrea Davison. Yep, one and the same one – still claiming in her present Macur review statement (at 2.6) to have been at Duncroft. Well I’ll be darned! You see I have always been somewhat suspicious that there might have been some tenuous connection between Andrea ‘I was at Duncroft’ Davison, and dear Fiona.
Fiona who, you say? Fiona of the forged letter, Fiona of the Levitt report, Fiona who kicked off the rehashed Duncroft story by going to the police claiming to be a witness to abuse ‘which had never been investigated’. That Fiona. It was the forged letter that got to me – for Andrea Davison had just been sentenced to jail – for forgery. Forging passports I thought initially – but then discovered that it was also extensively University degrees – and hadn’t I been told that Fiona’s house displayed several framed University degrees? Not many people have ‘several degrees’ – but perhaps they were genuine. Perhaps the forged letter had ‘been sent to her’ as she claimed, along with other people. Who could have forged it and why? Andrea and Fiona are about the same age, maybe they knew each other in a past life? Not Duncroft, but elsewhere? Maybe Fiona has been sadly misjudged, perhaps she really did innocently receive that forged letter through the post and decide that the least she could do was to work towards reopening the stale investigation into Jimmy Savile’s visits to Duncroft?
I googled Davison and the details of her criminal past. It wasn’t just forgery, but forgery as part of a fortunately rare and specific crime – ‘Boiler room scams‘.
That’s when things got really spooky. For it seems that Andrea is not the only Davison to have been convicted of ‘Boiler Room Scams’. There was an Adrian Davison too. Fair enough, there are approximately 27,000 Davisons in the UK – and whilst Boiler Room scams may be reassuringly few and far between – the name wasn’t that unusual. Boiler Room scams probably didn’t ‘run in the family’. Not close family anyway.
But hold up! Now that is a weird coincidence! There was a Christopher Fay sentenced at the same time as Adrian Davison for ‘ancillary offences’. Except that it wasn’t a ‘co-incidence’ – it was one and the same Chris Fay who kicked off the investigation into the ‘Elm House’ child abuse saga….
What is it with these ‘child protection activists’ – it’s never a victim directly – who claim to be aware of abuse in children’s homes and their predilection for forged documents and boiler room scams?
Why do I feel uncomfortable that certainly two, if not three, of these people show indications of having common interests outside of their interest in reporting child abuse?
Because we currently have three (more actually) major police investigations and Inquiries running, costing millions of pounds, and creating disruption and misery in hundreds of lives, that possibly have more in common than merely a story line including ‘abuse by ‘top Tories’.
All the talk of ‘cells’ and ‘rings’, ‘disinformation agents’ and ‘political activists’ exerting their power to hide child abuse has had us all fully occupied looking outwards to see if there is any truth in the stories – perhaps we should be looking inwards at where these stories emanated from. It seems a long time ago now that I wrote these words:
There have been many people working in the background of this story. Somebody forged the letter that Fiona produced saying the investigation into Savile was being dropped due to his age. Somebody, I am alarmed to tell you, set up a Facebook entity in the name of a former member of staff encouraging former residents to tell them their story. How many children – now adult – felt safe communicating with what they thought was a trusted member of staff? It took a high level call to a Director of Facebook before that entity was taken down – it has never been established who set it up. Certainly not that member of staff. The entire Facebook group which had been urging girls to come forward with tales of abuse was taken down just before the broadcast of the story. I am not alone in having received threats for having ‘dissed’ the tale of ‘institutional child abuse over a number of years’.
Why were the Home Office records of girls who had been sent there by the justice system, handed to Barnardos, a private charity? Why were later records, of girls who were sent there under the auspices of the mental health regime, handed to Barnardos, a private charity? Why are they still listed as safely in the possession of the National Archive? Who has seen them?
Someone in the background has had a keen and determined interest in building this story.
What happens if three butterflies flap their wings simultaneously – or even three moth-eaten political activists reading from the same crib sheet? Do we end up with a Tsunami of child abuse allegations, compounded by a line of ‘me-too’ claimants?
For the avoidance of doubt; a declaration. I entirely accept that there are children subjected to illegal and inappropriate sexual activity that is incredibly damaging to them. They have my total sympathy, and I am 100% behind criminal sanctions against the perpetrators.
The law of averages dictates that some of those children will at some time have been resident in children’s homes. It equally dictates (and may well be weighted in the direction of) some of the perpetrators being attracted to vulnerable young individuals without much sense of self worth living in children’s homes. That makes a lot more sense to me, if that is your sexual intention, than taking a job in the BBC or putting yourself forward as a Conservative Party candidate in order to prey on such children. Ditto the old meme of ‘Scout Master’.
As far as Elm House is concerned, I have enough trouble keeping up with the Duncroft saga – but it seems to me that if you run a hotel in an era when homosexuality is illegal and direct your advertising towards the ‘gay market’ then you are not going to attract so much the established and stable male couples (who have a perfectly good home) as those in search of an occasional venue – and inevitably some of those will be accompanied by young and vulnerable ‘rent boys’. That behaviour is still illegal and deserves to be prosecuted – but it is a long way from the lurid tales, employing ‘spook language’ of ‘trafficking’, ‘cells’, and organised ‘rings’. It is plain and simple individualised child abuse, without the celebrity ‘keywords’.
What I am particularly talking about here is how, and from where, this particular ‘script’ of Tory Party involvement in ‘rings’ of paedophiles in disparate venues across the country, that dates right back to the beginnings of the Satanic Ritual Abuse fable, has emerged – and why it has emerged from the Blogosphere depths to take centre stage in the media.
And whether we might usefully spend as much time looking at the propagators as we are spending hunting shadowy perpetrators.
Where are all the dedicated investigative journalists? Gone to ground, every one. Come out! Your country needs you!
- Moor Larkin
January 31, 2014 at 11:41 am -
Before butterflies, you have various maggoty-looking creepy-crawlies that hatch from almost invisible eggs. Some caterpillars are pretty, some are nauseating to look at and some can cause major skin irritations, but one thing they all have in common is that they eat voraciously, grow very fast and then eventually as they can get no bigger they harden into a chrysalis, so disappearing from active life for long periods, and then suddenly they emerge, pupated, in a whole new physical form, and in due course, after flapping up a storm then more eggs get laid and the life-cycle peddles on.
- Sambest
January 31, 2014 at 11:41 am -
Davison is a well known grifter who got caught. Simple.
She was known around the West End in the early 80s as a willing potential partner in cons. She only just avoided a big scam involving a lot of prostitutes and gays who were busted in a multi-million pound franking machine scam . The only reason she didn’t get nabbed is because she was just about to join it but the others were busted. Reading about these non too bright fraudsters who have jumped on the pedo bandwagon really has been an eye-opener, not because many of us know what a bunch of small time crims they are, but they have actually been given some credence in mainstream media ( the same goes for ghastly Fay character as well)Her claims to have worked with “intelligence services” are such palpable nonsense you have to wonder what possess the minds of the conspiracy theorists and the nasty David Icke to give them credence.
To work with any of the ‘intelligence’ services you have to sign the Official Secrets Act- Christ, you have to sign when working for half the government departments. It’s the quickest and simplest way to silence any former employee and that’s it’s purpose.And that is a small fact she avoids mentioning.
- Eric
January 31, 2014 at 12:28 pm -
Ah, but it’s another heads I win tails you lose situation.
The story goes something like this : she was a Grifter, yes, but she only became a grifter because she was abused by Savile/DLT/Ken Barlow/One of the Clangers or whatever. That is also responsible for – telling lies, the story changing every five minutes, new stories mysteriously appearing when money runs out, and every other dubious piece of behaviour.
Of course, if you are Savile/DLT or whatever, anything you do, any mistake you make under pressure (see the prosecution approach to DLT and LeVell – throw mud and hope it sticks) is CONCRETE EVIDENCE that you are a dishonest abuser.
They really do think like this.
- Moor Larkin
January 31, 2014 at 12:38 pm - Sambest
January 31, 2014 at 1:10 pm -
I don’t think people realise just what lengths this lot, who all seem to have joined each other in a sort cyber-space web, will go to, to make a few quid.
Fay & Davison both used to drink at an afternoon club in the West End called Jonathans that got a real motley clientele (including me) gathered along with the occasional ‘celeb’, big and small time crooks, shoplifters and teens of both sex on the game.
Davison in particular arrived most afternoons with nice items that were for sale, an expensive designer handbag , a silver clock and so on. No-one knew or asked where the items they came from or cared (but we could guess).Just selling a tale to a newspaper like Chris Fay has done is a coup for someone like him. A £ 350 fee from the Express or some other tabloid is easy money especially when he’s on a disability pension. Like Davison he’s completely amoral- they have no clue or even the slightest care that they may be harming someone. It’s all about some cash and if Spivey or that Rotten Potato nutters help kick it all along, so much the better. It’s not like there is anything else going on their lives.
Davison skipped town because she has a few priors and her last arrest would have meant serious jail time. Someone should ask her about her involvement with the strange androngynous male prostitute Vikki De Lambrey who worked Shepherds Market where Davison hung out as well- maybe window shopping every afternoon.
I’m pretty sure Davison picked up a lot of her act from Vikki who picked the pocket of a client who unfortunately WAS a senior MI6 retired and ended up being arrested. With Vikki it was all real and she was knocking of a Soviet diplomat as well so it was really great press. Vikki started selling stories to tabloids about herself, using a pseudonym until the tabloids caught on. She was such a fibber that when she accidentaly overdosed she rang a tabloid to say “strange men were injecting her”- when the cops got there she was dead.Davison, a small time and colorless player of little note, seems to have picked up most of de Lambrey’s act : Vikki claimed she worked for “intelligence services”, knew top politicians.
Anyone in contact with Davison should ask her to show then her copy of the Official Secrets Act ( all who sign get a numbered copy so they know how serious it is). It’s one thing she couldn’t dodge up because she’s obviously never seen one.- Margaret Jervis
January 31, 2014 at 2:19 pm -
@Sambest How very interesting. I remember Chris Fay as the trouble making Greenwich councillor in the 1980s when I worked at Social Work Today. It was Fay who engineered the Elm ‘guest list’ courtesy of what was sloshing around the rumour mill and the vulnerable fantasist Carole Kasir. One of the ‘key witnesses’ he picked up via NAYPIC someone called ‘Vincent’ who he says he met at Madame Jo-Jos. (This is sometime post-1990) Madame Jo-Jos is in Brewer St next to the Piano Bar and presumably a similar ambience to Jonathan’s . Fay has now been ditched by Exaro (and the TMG) but is giving stuff with Bill Maloney to James Fielding at the Express – including another ‘key witness’ Andrew Ash – who appears to have a’split personality’ being jointly ‘owned’ by Exaro and Fay/Maloney/Express and saying different things at different times. Davison’s role in creating the North Wales phantasmagoria is still largely unresearched – particularly the links she may have had with Alison Taylor and ?Maureen Davies.
- Ian B
January 31, 2014 at 4:37 pm - Sambest
January 31, 2014 at 10:05 pm -
The only reason Davison was in Wales is because she had a council flat there . She was smart enough to judge the wind when she was camping out on people’s sofas in London that she had overstayed her welcome.
Yes Madame Jos Jos was more a piano bar for late nights whereas Jonathans was one of about 6 afternoon drinking clubs that became popular after 3pm pub closing.
Just reading her so-called “evidence” makes me quite annoyed : her ridiculous claim to be seeking out terrorists and pedo gangs at the same time is absolutely absurd : the “intelligence services” might look for terrorist or arms dealers but illegal sex matters is the police’s job.
Word is that her life “on the run” isn’t so hot _ and again it’s why I say with she and Fay it’s all about a few quid here and there to supplement any other income they have. With Fay just being bought lunch by Maloney would be a treat. - Sambest
January 31, 2014 at 10:24 pm -
also Fay’s conviction over the Olympic con illustrates his pecking order. He isn’t the brightest spark and he was actually at the very end of the food chain as a ‘money launderer’ , which sounds dramatic but is more about agreeing to cash cheques at the post office, operating a dodgy bank account and so on.
For someone who claims to be another ‘child safety expert’, so important that an MI6 officer “puts a gun to his head” etc etc, his claim in the trial that he didn’t knew what he was doing is blatant tosh.Also the Olympic scam is a perfect illustration of the morals of these people like Fay and his cohorts : ripping of pensioners and the naive is of no importance to them: the destruction they bring into other’s lives would never be given a second thought.
- Moor Larkin
February 1, 2014 at 1:26 am -
Fay and the Olympics?
Reminds me of Beverli Rhodes.“consultant specialising in counter-terrorism. The company she worked for was set to play a part in the planning for the 2012 Olympics.’”
“According to a Mirror article recently ‘Mum-of-four Beverli claims to have met Johnny Savile at a ‘party’.”
http://ukgovernmentwatch.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/who-is-beverli-rhodes/
- Ian B
- Margaret Jervis
- Duncan Disorderly
January 31, 2014 at 1:17 pm -
“any mistake you make under pressure (see the prosecution approach to DLT and LeVell – throw mud and hope it sticks) is CONCRETE EVIDENCE that you are a dishonest abuser.”
In the USA, it is a good idea to never say a word to the police when being interviewed precisely because unless you are a Saint, you will inevitably sound dodgy. Do you have an interesting sex life? A boozer, perhaps…?
Remaining silent is not a good plan in England and Wales (not sure about Scotland), as the jury will be invited to draw conclusions from remaining silent.
(I’m not a lawyer by the way.)
- Moor Larkin
- Eric
- ivan
January 31, 2014 at 11:59 am -
Anna, I don’t think there are any dedicated investigative journalists any more. It appears that all the papers are using interns to regurgitate press releases and some dubious blog sites.
- rabbitaway
January 31, 2014 at 12:00 pm -
Rabbit Away @rabbitaway 24s
What do #North Wales, #ElmHouse and #Duncroft have in common ? Anna Raccoon’s latest https://annaraccoon.com/2014/01/31/what-happens-if-three-butterflies-flap-their-wings-simultaneously/ …
CollapseReply
Delete
Favorite3:58 AM – 31 Jan 2014 · Details
- Duncan Disorderly
January 31, 2014 at 12:58 pm -
I’m sad Richard Webster is no longer with us. What he would have made of this nonsense would have made extremely fascinating reading. I sometimes wonder that if I scour his website hard enough I will find an essay about the Great Savile Panic, rather like the way he exposed Steve Messham in 2012 in an article he wrote in 1999!
Well done Anna on finding this information.
- Fat Steve
January 31, 2014 at 1:42 pm -
Good Grief Anna —if you can produce research like this when you are as ill as you are I am glad I never came up against you as a lawyer when you were in good health.
- nuggy
January 31, 2014 at 2:54 pm -
Davidson never mentioned duncroft before the savile story came out.
- Moor Larkin
January 31, 2014 at 3:46 pm -
I hear he did very well in Big Bro though.
- Moor Larkin
- macheath
January 31, 2014 at 5:30 pm -
All this sheds an interesting light on the news that lawyers are considering punitive damages for historical abuse at ‘hundreds’ of independent schools. The BBC is suggesting that payments for events decades in the past may force some schools to close; those that remain open may well ultimately have to pass the financial burden on to current parents in increased fees.
There is no doubt that abuse did occur in some independent schools – and that the boarding environment rendered its victims vulnerable – but what will be the level of proof and corroboration required in cases where the perpetrator may have been dead for years and the only surviving witnesses were children at the time?
- Margaret Jervis
January 31, 2014 at 6:11 pm -
@macheath I think it’s called ‘crowdpinning’.
- macheath
January 31, 2014 at 6:18 pm -
Not a term I know – could you please elaborate?
- Margaret Jervis
January 31, 2014 at 6:37 pm -
Maybe a variant on ‘pindown’?
- Margaret Jervis
- macheath
- macheath
January 31, 2014 at 6:16 pm -
Ooops – that should have been ‘dozens’ – I blame the BBC newsreader’s poor articulation!
- Margaret Jervis
January 31, 2014 at 6:45 pm -
It’s the @AOadvocates sales pitch – check their credentials – Jeff Anderson and Ann Olivarius. They came over (?fled) on the catholic church stuff but have probably realised that the independent schools stuff is more lucrative . Namely that the complainants will have household insurance covering claims – legal aid and CFAs have gone belly up. I expect the UK abuse compo market is riven with bile re these Johnny come latelys – after all it was the small guys who opened up the market here in civil law so that virtually no claim is barred!Ann Olivarius has an interesting back history.
- macheath
January 31, 2014 at 10:36 pm -
Indeed; hitch the kind of opportunism you describe to the political bandwaggon of prejudice against the independent sector and the results will not be pretty.
- macheath
- Margaret Jervis
- Margaret Jervis
- carol42
January 31, 2014 at 11:44 pm -
Why oh why are none of the MSM investigating this? I can only hope the police are and that you will soon have permission to tell us what you know. I used to admire John Ward but he seems to be obsessed with Elm House, top Tory politicians and sex rings too. I hope not one of the ‘bounty hunters’ get a penny and are charged with perjury. Since I am pretty sure the MSM is aware of the facts is it only to keep a story going? can’t figure the motivation.
- johnS
February 1, 2014 at 2:43 pm -
carol42 “Why oh why are none of the MSM investigating this?”
For the same reason that several other stories without merit run and run:
Firstly most of the mainstream media now consists largely of regurgitated press releases – often provided by pressure groups (ie “news”) or fact-free ranting-with prejudice (i.e “comment”). When was the last time you saw a story which looked like it had been been investigated and developed over a number of months by a team of journalists when all they had at the beginning was a grain of evidence? “All The President’s Men” now looks more like fantasy fiction.Secondly, there are enough different angles in the successful false story for one of them to appeal to the prejudices of almost anyone, however different starting positions appear.
In the case of Savile the attacking-the-BBC angle appeals to the right-wing media so they were primed to believe in the first instance.
In the case of the The Guardian and most of the left (even within the BBC), they always hated “friend of Thatcher” Savile anyway plus it chimes with the “all men are evil” faction and the “accusation of assault equals guilty of assault” movement.
This last element has, I think, been underestimated. There are forever comment pieces in Comment Is Free (sic) bemoaning the “low” rate of convictions for rape and often calling for the lowering of standards of evidence in such cases. Cases like Savile where the “victims” were supposedly ignored for years plays right into that campaign.Another aspect is the almost religious clustering round a consensus (evident here and in other stories I won’t mention because it might derail the thread). No journalist now wants to stick their head above the parapet because the viciousness displayed towards the lone “blasphemer” is horrific and potentially career-ending. Once a story has reached that level of gospel then it is almost impossible for a mainstream journalist to even hint that it might be wrong.
Another question is whatever happened to Private Eye? Once upon a time it took on all sorts of unpopular causes, now it ignores all the big issues and is a gutless shadow of what it once was.
- johnS
- IlovetheBBC
February 1, 2014 at 1:05 am -
I just KNEW Fay was a fraud. The moment I read the Elm House ‘guest list’ I knew it was bollocks. It had obviously been dreamed up to retrofit people and scandals hardly heard of when the parties were supposed to have taken place. The bloggers who jumped on it were warned, by me at least, that it was a crock but they wanted to believe it.
Now I find that the would-be MI5 agent, so clearly a fake that a child could have seen it, was an old friend of Fay’s.
The whole thing has been an exercise in human gullibility. - sally stevens
February 1, 2014 at 2:28 am -
Remand homes from the 70s are also coming under the gun. Anna has mentioned Cumberlow. I have found my old remand home under the same trawling tradition, i.e. anyone who was at ——, between 1940 and 1980, pile on in. Since I showed up and posted – and the place was no Duncroft, trust me! – the silence continues to be deafening, as it has been for some months. A phone number for an individual who could allegedly obtain records from the local authority is provided.
Parenthetically, I was sworn under the Official Secrets Act for a job I had in the 60s. It’s serious shit. My mother was also sworn. She worked for MI6 during the war and thereafter for APRE in West Byfleet. I worked for a government sub-contractor in Walton-on-Thames.
- Sambest
February 1, 2014 at 4:08 am -
yes Sally I had to sign for a 4 month job I got with a British company in a sensitive Middle East country in 1979 and it is bloody serious stuff. I never saw anything I thought was a big secret but the idea is you never know. The thing is you sign it for life.
Davsion would never be employed by any government department because she has a record going back to her teens, not for very serious stuff but enough for her to not get any job connected to government.
But as someone else says : you just say MI5, MI6, CIA and you can claim just about anything.
- Sambest
- Sambest
February 1, 2014 at 3:59 am -
I think every now and then the media does do an ‘expose’ as it has on Measham and that nutty woman who hung at the Traveller’s camps but their naive capacity or willingness to go along with new fraudulent claims is odd.
For those like Icke and Spivey and so on to just accept these wild accusations and falsified credentials is weirder I think.
Before the internet these characters- and Davison and Fay were around the scene for ages, has been a boom time. Before that they both were full of tales of conspiracies and so on but it was usually in the hope of cadging another drink from a new listener. Fay is a pretty sad creature and was disliked as he seems to have had a charisma by-pass .
After having some success as a council member and working in homes you can understand why the judge in the Olympic fraud case didn’t accept his idiotic claim that he didn’t know what he was doing when channeling funds through half a dozen bank accounts (for a small percentage) .But Davison is just a congenital liar. Her often convincing stories when told to a newly recruited but naive listener can be damaging. One matter she scored quite well in was around 1986 and a regularly con on the innocent : she promised that she could arrange the lease on a council flat in West London for a 1000 quid fee via her ‘close friend and Housing Officer’ ( I’ll give you one guess who would sit in a car at a distance to be pointed out as that Housing Officer if need be)..this was an easy scam as it was one which in nearly every case the victim would never go to the police and just write off the money. I heard she scored 8000 quid before she went back to wales to cool her heels for a couple of years.
The crew this lot moved amongst are low level scamsters and as I say, they are totally amoral : ripping off someone who tries to jump the Housing queue, well you don’t feel to sorry for them but when it’s pensioners and small time civilians like the Olympic scam, it’s just plain nasty.
I can tell you this : Davison is lucky she is abroad and untouchable at present as there is a certain Hoxton crew ( with NIL ‘intelligence Services’ connections )who would dearly love her to shut the fuck up and might give her a little working over if she were back in town. And that’s because her big mouth may just bring others like them undone : they were a crew who ran the ‘Warehouse’ ripoff every few years or so. That involved setting up a nominal company and ordering hundred of washing machines, fridges and white goods and then having a huge Sale in a new area in a rented warehouse with prices so low everything would sell and they shut up shop and simplty disappear. It would take the companies they purchased on credit from at least 6 months to even realise they had been ripped.And no guesses to the pleasant speaking and plausible lady ‘manageress’ who often fronted the salesroom.
If only that show ‘Hustle’ were real and they ripped of nasty people – instead they’d pick teh pcoket of a blind pensioner if they could.
- Sambest
February 1, 2014 at 4:02 am -
sorry for mad spelling and grammar but Davison in particular makes my blood boil.
- SamBest
February 1, 2014 at 1:10 pm -
“child protection worker Chris Fay, who says he was shown photos of children dressed up at ‘Kings and Queens parties’ at the guest house. One photograph is said to show a former Tory Cabinet minister in a sauna with a naked 14-year-old boy”
Fay was a friend of the owners and called in there for drinks and parties – what a prat he is. The only reason someone hasn’t made a false allegation about him is because he is potless. Elm House may have had a guest call in with an underage rent boy/girl but to claim it was organised is a fantasy.
Also Fay knows he used to proposition rent boys at West end bars albeit of legal age. (he’s not a paedophile) I recall one fairly tough number who was about 30 but looked around 22 rejecting his advance and when Fay left saying “that’s the ugliest cunt I’ve seen and I wouldn’t go with him for a fortune”Taking pictures in a sauna ?. what sauna?. what camera did they use because I don’t recall cameras in the 70s/80s capable of taking photos in a steam room unless it was by a specialist photographer with the right equipment and that’s really credible isn’t it : a Tory politician is going to calmly sit in a sauna with a naked under aged boy while a cameraman sets up his equipment with the special lens and filters you need to shoot through steam or smoke. Honestly it’s embarrassing these plonkers like Maloney believe this bullshit without asking a few probing questions : they get so excited about yet another pedo scandal (and that’s a worry in itself-their obsession) they abandon all critical thought.
I hope the law catches up with this small time nuisance- he has plenty of other matters the cops may like to look at.- Moor Larkin
February 1, 2014 at 2:29 pm -
* Fay knows he used to proposition rent boys at West end bars albeit of legal age. (he’s not a paedophile) *
Now there’s a conundrum, because back then they’d have to be 21 or over to avoid a legal “paedophile” definition but now they only need be 16. So if a “rent boy” was 17 back then in Elm Lodge, then presumably anyone partnering that person would have been a de-facto paedophile at the time and so a “witness” from back then would be reasonable in labelling them accordingly. I suppose they couldn’t be called “rent men” because folk would think the man from the Pru had come a-knocking.
- Margaret Jervis
February 1, 2014 at 3:40 pm -
@sambest This is extraordinary. It means that the whole ‘Elm’ saga was even more of a pantomime than previously thought. It was said that Carole Kasir was referred to Fay at NAYPIC by a psychologist at the Maudsley Adelaine Stolper (?sp) who was treating Kasir. Kasir’s son had been put unto care at Grafton House following the raid in 1982 – thing is by 1989 he would have been out of care as he was 10 at the time. And he didn’t see her until 1989/90. He was trying to sue social services. But actually it appears that Stolper was a social worker and there’s no evidence that this was a ‘referral’ (which would be rather odd anyway) . Rather, if Fay had known Kasir he was simply pumping her for stories and probably putting photos to her . The early incision of Peter Bottomley is a Fay giveaway -he’d already made libellous allegations against him as a Greenwich MP when he was doing his early work on children’s homes there (which was really about the use of restraint and ‘time out’ ) . Could this have a been a pre-emptive ‘defence’ strategy as Bottomly had threatened to sue. And I wonder how many ‘victims’ were picked up around Soho for the NAYPIC files? There was a crackdown on male prostituion and the ‘meat rack’ in the mid-80s. Some members of NAYPIC got very irate about this . They saw post-care prostitution as a being a rights issue and viable method of making an income. They started complaining to Social Services Directors. Campaigners meanwhile were pressing the ‘under-age’ issue and threat of AIDS transmission which was a big issue in the late 80s. I wonder how many NAYPIC ‘victims’ who would go on to furnish children’s homes claims were picked up by Fay in Soho? The mind boggles.
- SamBest
February 2, 2014 at 3:35 am -
I have no idea of what really went on at Elm House because I never went there but it was known as a ‘gay friendly’ hotel but then so were half a dozen around the city (and many cheap hotels were definitely funny about 2 blokes booking in especially an older man with a younger).
It’s significant that the owners were not convicted and the most serious charge was ‘keeping a disorderly house”. Of course that all becomes part of the “establishment cover-up”.
Also at the time I was hired as a driver for a loose group of female prostitutes (and could have easily been done myself for living of immoral earnings).
There has always been a great ambivalence about prostitution in the UK, both male and female. I met many rent boys (but I’m not gay) just as a matter of course and possible some were far too young but I do not recall any being younger than maybe 17 or 18. Perhaps there were innocent young lads from the country caught up this stuff but most were pretty hard bitten tough nuts who had learned from an early age that older gentleman were ripe for pickings. Doesn’t make it right or good but that’s the way it was.The females I worked for always worked in pairs and the police supported that as there was less risk of assault. rape or murder. But one girl had to say she was a “maid” to cover themselves legally. Same as with me as a driver, the police far preferred to have a s little drama with prostitution as possible.
I know many people who have looked on with these Fay & Davison claims with open mouths- some are amused, some amazed that anyone would take them seriously and a few are just a little angry that these 2 minor irritants could be taken seriously by anyone. the general feeling is you wouldn’t believe them if they told you the time of day.
But now their claims have taken on a life of their own and you never know who may be hurt. I honestly think police investigating things like Elm House are put in a very difficult position : do they exaggerate their findings or say there is a bit of smoke but lots of exaggerations and risk being demolished by the media. It’s easy for the concept that Christopher Fay has “spoken to police” be given great importance by the internet brigade who hang on every word but I can just imagine the cops listening and then saying to themselves “give the ratbag a cup of tea and then piss him off out of here “, But Fay is a real dill, he may find himself in more messes like the Olympic scam. hes’ tempting fate.
- A Subject
March 16, 2014 at 4:06 pm -
The problem for the Police is one that runs across more than this issue. For decades now they have been under assault by certain groups who, for whatever reason you want to pick, have successfully destroyed their reputation with the public. Every case where there’s a point or percentage to be made is picked over and dissected by friends in the press. So what do the police do? They close ranks and start making sure their stories are all the same so that when the inevitable inquiry starts they can all sin the same song. Of course not being too bright your average copper is going to bungle this so you get accusations of cover ups and corruption. Add in real corruption by a few bent cops and bingo instant story for the press and political capital for their critics.
So, it’s not surprising that they aren’t going too deep into this. They know who they have to please and it isn’t the real victims or the public. Don’t expect the Police to investigate this too thoroughly – it’s not in their interest any more.
- A Subject
- SamBest
- Moor Larkin
- Mr Ecks
February 1, 2014 at 3:12 pm -
All theses names and dates etc have got my head spinning.
Someone out there needs to write a book that details the whole affair–everything –Yewtree/Saville/Hall/DLT -the lot–all laid out so that the whole tangled mess— feminists/crooks/nutters/bandwagon jumpers/ useless coppers/3rd sector liars—everything— can be followed step by step. The definitive account of a slice of sordid and deceitful history. A true account of a (wo)man-made bogus panic that infested the minds of the British people (far too many of them at any rate) like fleas on a mangy dog.
- IlovetheBBC
February 1, 2014 at 6:52 pm -
Not only would you need a special camera for a sauna but who really had video equipment in the 80s? Few people. It was cumbersome and expensive before the digital revolution.
ditto claims plod filmed people arriving – they had no such equipment, stills would have been the height of their capability.
The story has been so embellished it simply amazes me so many swallowed it whole.
- SamBest
February 2, 2014 at 10:26 am -
these were the days before mobile phone cameras and you couldn’t take a camera in to a normal nightclub of pub without someone punching your head in let alone an establishment were possibly illegality was going on. Let alone all these so-called pop stars and politicians or shady characters. I recall a gay Fleet Street photographer coming into one of the West End afternoon drinking cubs with his equipment and being thrown out immediately even though ti was bagged.
The only possibility is that secret cameras for the purposes of blackmail but again : I know someone who was being blackmailed for having sex with a 17 year old when it was illegal and he went to the police. He got charged but given just probation for the sex offense and the blackmailer got 3 years. A very very risky proposition especially when clots like Fay claim MI5/6 were involved. If they ‘put a gun to his head (pity they didn’t pull the trigger)’ imagine what they’d do to a blackmailer?
- SamBest
- Moor Larkin
February 2, 2014 at 10:49 am -
The various square pictures of Jimmy Savile being clutched by the smiling ladies of Duncroft look to me as if they are Polaroids.
I was listening to an account of the mechanics of a Sixties divorce on Adam Curtis’s blogsite the other day, and the couple agreed that the man would get a woman to be in a hotel bed with him in order to achieve “grounds”. The man then obtained the services of a “PI”, who would purport to be a hotel staff member. He would then would walk in the room, and then in due course become the court witness swearing on oath that he had sen the adultery. The man then obtained a woman willing to be seen in bed with him and who would be known by an assumed name in due course. The thing was that the guy said that somewhere down the line this “PI” character then said sorry, but he hadn’t got a clear view of the woman so he couldn’t testify as to recognising her again, so the case fell through. So then the married man had to get another woman to repeat the process, and it ended up costing him a lot of money because she said she’d only do it for a considerable sum. It struck me that the married man was the victim of a “sting”. Thing was, there was no mention of any photographic evidence – it was all to rely on court testimony, which probably illustrates that the cameras could not be relied on to produce any usable images..
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 2, 2014 at 3:54 pm -
Dear lord, what a crew! This is what we’ve been reduced to: scamsters, grifters, lob-lollymen (and women), low-level police informants, chancers, opportunists, con-artists, palmists, three-card montey practitioners, carney-barkers, roustabouts, scene-riggers, fly-by-nights, rent-dodgers, fishers, duckers and divers, women on the badger-game and all that Dickensian mob, together with our post-modernist narcissists, borderline personality disorders, fantasists, “recovered-memory” cases, ambulance-chasing lawyers, political policemen, third-sector czars, a demoralised and corrupt Parliament (one or’t’other if not both), a media which has whored itself out of any recognition, and a public willing to believe anything or nothing and both at the same time. And forget it all five minutes later.
Jesus. If it wasn’t for you guys, I’d just be left with my own wild surmise about all of this. Thanks. Much good may it do any of us – but thanks.
- SamBest
February 3, 2014 at 8:18 am -
a great comment and I know them all except : what is a ‘lob-lolly’ man (or woman) ?
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 3, 2014 at 12:10 pm -
Hi, Sam, originally a non-professional assistant to a ship’s surgeon, who on leaving the Navy would often set themselves up as a medic, though they were nothing of the kind. I use it to mean people like that ghastly ex-copper who pretends to be an expert in child welfare and some kind of policy-maker on the subject, when he’s nothing but a fraud
- Eyes Wide Shut
- SamBest
- Eyes Wide Shut
February 2, 2014 at 5:07 pm -
Bollix. You’re brilliant, Anna, and so are all the other commentators on this thread. You are the people who know your stuff.
I’m just good at summarising what I’ve read.
- WorldViews
February 2, 2014 at 5:57 pm -
Welcome back Anna, better than ever.
Anna wrote: “Where are all the dedicated investigative journalists? Gone to ground, every one..” Sadly our biased and omissive, 90% Right wing tabloids, are made even moreso by NOT investigating Right wing preda-Tories.
And no surprise those with most power , are most corrupt, because the very first UK systematic childsex abuse was perpetrated by all Right wing politicians and establishment figures. Powerful and landed so called ‘Gentry’ with families, BIG hypocrites travelling a short distance from Westminster to Covent Garden’s child brothels in Victoria’s long reign, until the mid-1880s. Decades before Labour was even born.
The very first UK press baron was a Right wing exploiter of ignorance William Thomas Stead, b. 5 Jul 1849 Embleton, Northumberland, England – d. 15 Apr 1912, RMS Titanic. By the early 1880s, Stead was the rich and powerful proprietor of the Pall Mall Gazette (no surprise forerunner of the Right wing Daily Mail and Evening Standard). Very conveniently ignoring the best-selling mass market Victorian socialist, Dickens, Stead said that newspapers were, “the only Bible which millions read”. He was a raging moralist, but with what he admitted was a “crazy appetite for sex”. The campaign among many which defined Stead’s gutter sensationalist career was his ‘Maiden Tribute Of Modern Babylon’, rightly exposing-yet-exaggerating central London’s limited but serious scandal of high-priced young virgins and destitute girl prostitutes around Covent Garden. Systematically bought and abused by the nearby Westminster and Whitehall elite British Right wing male establishment. Very wealthy monsters grotesquely lusting for virgin blood. Largely ‘upstanding’ highly respected family men and devout Christians with young sons and daughters of their own. So called captains of industry and Empire, exposed as the worst of all sadist rapists, and bloody hypocrites. But predictably, such wealthy UK elite sadist-rapist/paedophiles were not individually named for police prosecution by the bully-coward Stead. Instead, within six-weeks of his 6 July 1885 expose, the pompous but weak Tory P.M. Lord Salisbury’s ‘Criminal Law Amendment Act’ passed into law on 14 August 1885. Raising the age of consent for even the thousands of UK willing girls with no complaint, from 13 to 16, and reinforcing existing viciously homophobic UK laws. (The 1885 law, also an ongoing insult to the vast majority of uncoercive good paedophiles, such as the cultured and popular Victorians, Lewis Carroll and John Ruskin; then as now, among many more.)
‘Stead’s Law’ also lead to the victimizing, prosecution and downfall and destruction of among many other uncoercive sexual ‘outsiders’ , the UK literary visionary Oscar Wilde, accurately noting in 1895, “We are dominated by journalism.”
So true, genius Oscar a century and more ahead of time. Yet just two small errors-by-omission – “BIG SELECTIVE Journalism”.
- SamBest
February 2, 2014 at 8:08 pm -
good stuff but I slightly disagree with the proposition that all this abuse etc was carried out by the rich and powerful. As a lifetime Labour voter I should probably applaud the endless Tory attacks in all this madness but I abhor how innocent names are being bandied about and the rise of the ‘Tory pedo ring” that always includes Freemasons, Jews etc etc.
I have no doubt the poor and vulnerable and young were shockingly abused in days gone by but we as a society were all in on the act. There were no mass protests about child labour, no protests about work houses for the poor or debtor’s prisons. Change only can after small groups of people fought long and tough battles. The great masses of society, and especially the classes the vulnerable and poor came from actively went along with all this.
And the sheer number of youth and poor who were available to be abused in some form meant they were prey for anyone who had a few more bob than they did.But I see today where the toadies mentioned in the above narrative can probably be held responsible for helping give a tiny kick along for another looming demolition of someone with claims a “beloved pop star” may be in the frame.
- SamBest
- rabbitaway
February 3, 2014 at 11:30 am -
Fingers crossed for Bill Roache – the judge is summing up – here’s a good twit feed to follow for updates !
https://twitter.com/stepholiverSky/status/430300596491788288
- RAB
February 4, 2014 at 7:09 pm -
I have forgotten how to do those pingback thingies, but…
- SoundMan
February 17, 2014 at 2:25 pm -
Good article. Unfortunately I don’t see it as just 3 butterflies though.
I see it as a very well resourced & maybe even protected team of players steering the story.
The most vocal online “faction” at present is the one I’m referring to.
I don’t think their ultimate aim is credibility though.
If it was why do they publish on David Icke’s The People’s Voice? Why do they associate & refer to Ben Fellows? & yes of course Chris Fay with his conviction and confession.
What about the Lou Collins Radio Show? Brian Gerrish? Common Purpose? The 48% – 52% “stat”? Have you listened to it? https://www.mixcloud.com/shylou73/13114-lou-collins-radio-show-brian-gerrish-bill-maloney-female-mp-abusing-boy-operation-tiberiu/
Many are buying this. I’m not & was very vocal at the time on why. (We never did see the BM follow up, did we?)
Remember the Sunday Express “Female MP” story published same time as Exaro sourced “Undercover cops posed as Sunday People reporters to get close to key witnesses in a VIP paedophile scandal”? Hijacked?
So, presuming their ultimate aim isn’t credibility, what is it?
Are they attempting to draw all of the CSA activists into a neat squad so when the punchline is told they all fall together?
Apart from the “donate” buttons on some of the sites I can’t see a clear money motive.
My business isn’t in law though so I understand that I may have missed another money angle.
Smokescreen? Ultimately leading to an exercise in damage limitation?
Any other possibilities?
For now I choose to believe Exaro & very little else. - Keith M
February 26, 2014 at 1:00 am -
There seems to be better informed and sensible talking people here than almost any other website that I have seen. The EGH list always was a fantasy and/or an earner for Chris Fay, he of the turtle-like expression. How Bill Maloney has fallen for yet another scam artist after his embarrassing promotion of Ben Fellowes will always make him suspect in my opinion. One of the most persistent players in this charade appears to be John Sawyer AKA Gojam of the Needle Blog and patron of the Icke Forums. He has championed every chancer that has come out of the woodwork, Fay, Kashir, Messham, Teresa Cooper and he is now as thick as thieves with Darren Laverty, who’s own history as a ‘Bully Boy’ abuser and procurer at Bryn Estyn is now becoming apparent. Who are the truthtellers? I am struggling to see anybody who does not have an angle of some kind.
- Gill
September 23, 2014 at 2:46 am -
Is it possible that Davison, Fay, Maloney, Icke etc are working together to profit from subscriptions and donations from variouse sites? Is Gerrish involved with them?
- gordon bowden
December 20, 2014 at 12:24 pm -
SAM BEST has it 100%
He should contact me.
I have said before:
The rants of Ms “TARA” ANDREA DAVISON on Paedophilia even on daily “Tweets” (FIND HER HERE using
ANDREA DAVISON @beforethestars
Are only to divert attention of the blood thirsty hysteria masses away from the massive Trans Continent Organised Crime Syndicate she STILL operates for:Back in the late 1980’s, Local con artist “Tara” Andrea Davison teamed up with her bimbo tag along journalist Pete Sawyer. They were also working with Icke . At that time, they were fronting the dirty side of Politics, operating as Dirt recovers for MOHAMED AL FAYED and, for Kevin James Cahill then, Intelligence Advisor for Lord Paddy (pant’s down) Ashdown, PM Gordon Brown and currently Lord Laird Artigarvan .
In BANGOR circ 1989 – 1990 her Welsh Handlers, Gail Craven Walker, Antony Craven Walker, Gail Kincaid, locals, Jules Ley (deceased) Elvin Cecil Ley at Druid House 13 Menai View Terrace Bangor. Jules Ley , his brother Elvin, Davison and Sawyer fronted the Next Door Honey Trap (Russian and Thai Singles) club at 14 MENAI VIEW TERRACE, BANGOR, CLUB ODESSA aka CLUB RUSSIA (Her only in absence Defence Witness at her Mold Crown Court Criminal Trial) 4-7-2012 to 25-7-2012. Andrea Davison was Convicted in absence by a JURY of 12 on 26 of 27 Charges of Fraud, theft, falsification of Census Records, operating a fake Document Factory, operating multiple Bank accounts in the UK , CYPRUS and other off shore locations under multiple alias’s names (I have them all) etc etc where her forged documents (In This Case Only) were forwarded to a Boiler Room network operating in Spain. The George Abru Gang.When Davison fled the UK prior to her Trial, her cohort partner and Company Co Director with “TARA” ANDREA DAVISON who DAVID WILLIAM MILLS registered her as a Co Director using a false name and Date of Birth (A criminal Offence) listed her as TARA DAVIDSON year of Birth 1965 and giving her address as 14 MENAI VIEW TERRACE. BANGOR GWYNEDD. DAVID WILLIAM MILLS also fled her Boiler Room property at MANCHESTER HOUSE, 32 BANGOR ST. PORT DINORWIC. GWYNEDD LL56 4JD. DAVID WILLIAM MILLS also suddenly left his job as a Systems Manager at MAGNOX NORTH Decommissioned Nuclear Reactor site
Back in 2002 Davison’s Handlers set her up to run AFBIO she states stands for, Association for Former British Intelligence Officers
An UNREGISTERED Business in the UK, fronted as a MAIL FORWARDING, SECRETARIAL, MAIL DROP BOX, OFF-SHORE COMPANY REGISTRATIONS and BANKING SERVICE.
They also set her up to front this Money Laundering outfit for their “Syndicate” out of a Suite Address in Vancouver Canada
207 – 1425 Marine Drive. Vancouver. Canada BC V7T 1B9Operating with Davison were GRAHAM MILLS the Microsoft trained IT Specialist who, located in Thailand ran the fake companies web site fabrications then placed on the internet. Graham Mills in Thailand also worked with ROBIN HELMUT MARIA JACOBS aka ROBERT JACOB who fled back to the UK after GRAHAM MILLS was arrested at Manchester Airport when he flew in from Thailand. MILLS was convicted at Nottingham Crown Court and sentenced to 7 years as being on of the same network operating with the George Abru Gang and ANDREA DAVISON.
ANDREA DAVISON, PETE SAWYER and a crowd of naughty Germans and Russians STILL operate out of various ACTIVE London Boiler Room addresses running over 2 million “Russian Doll” “Chinese Boxes” Shell Companies including but not restricted to:
193 MARKET STREET. HYDE. CHESHIRE
254 AMESBURY AVENUE. STREATHAM. LONDON
Suite B 29 HARLEY STREET. LONDON,
5 HARLEY STREET. LONDON
6 JUPITER HOUSE. CALLEVA PARK. ALDERMASTON. READING
44 UPPER BELGRAVE RD. CLIFTON BRISTOL
1 PARK ROW. LEEDS
50 LOTHIAN RD. EDINBURGH.
1 MITCHELL LANE BRISTOL
124 FINCHLEY RD.LONDON
420 FINCHLEY RD. LONDON
665 FINCHLEY RD. LONDON
923 FINCHLEY RD. LONDON
788-790 FINCHLEY RD. LONDON
1033a FINCHLEY RD.LONDON
WINNINGTON HOUSE. 2 WOODBERRY GROVE. NORTH FINCHLEYStrangely, some of the very same addresses where the Husband of Labour Party MP TESSA JOWELL.
DAVID MACKENZIE DONALD MILLS and his secretary had over 100 “Russian Doll” “Chinese Boxes” Money Laundering Shell Companies used for money laundering for convicted Fraudster ex PM SILVIO BERLUSCONI and the MAFIA and, the very same addresses and their controlling Directors linked to US$ billion US Military Defence Budget fraud.DAVID MACKENZIE DONALD MILLS was also related to DAME BARBARA MILLS who was then head of THE SERIOUS FRAUD OFFICE
Now, I’m an ex RAF and Mining Engineer and I’m not a believer of repetitive coincidence, there’s a shit load of the surname “MILLS” all involved and interconnected here. DO YOUR OWN MATHS.
The Local Authority COUNCIL Controlled, Mutt and Jeff Squad “Woodentops” The Thin Blue line “Experts,” Protecting this Country from Organised Crime who, it can be clearly proven, only go round spending £millions in picking up the pieces without recovery of most of the stolen WONGA, after the massive frauds crimes have been allowed to run for years. They, the so called Police Professional Experts continually fail to close down the Major Crime Centre Money Laundering Network Boiler Rooms in the UK who are “EXTRACTING THE URINE”, where this network operate out of those addresses I’ve named above.
Anyone can contact me and I’ll provide all the forensic Documents to prove all stated here
- Gill
December 20, 2014 at 2:53 pm -
Ho ho ho good ere init
- david veitch
December 20, 2014 at 3:17 pm -
SAMBEST,
You rwally should contact Gordon Bowden and so should you ANNA. The Paedo stuff is masking massive FRAUD and TREASON. - Gill
December 20, 2014 at 4:28 pm -
I can vouch for veitch there, also video coverages of actual sites where the fraud is committed these clips were taken physically and in dangerous circumstances, lets say on deadly ground
- david veitch
December 21, 2014 at 5:51 am -
If you type ‘Gordon Bowden’ into ‘Youtube’ and listen/watch the material you will fully understand the truth and scale of the Fraud and Treason being hidden beneath the level of paedophilia.
It is beyond most people’s level of comprehension but not l feel your bloggers.
l hope your treatment goes well Anna, my wife has recently passed through 5 years after a mastectomy and breast reconstruction. - Soundman
December 21, 2014 at 3:24 pm -
The VIP paedophile ring allegations don’t hinge on the involvement of a couple of fraudsters.
There’s a lot more than that going on here.
It may be smears, it may be blackmail that’s why we need to know what’s happened.
Gordon Bowden admits in that video that he doesn’t fully understand what’s been going on.
BTW I’m an ex RAF engineer (avionics) , do I get enhanced credibility too?- gordon bowden
December 21, 2014 at 4:33 pm -
Hi Soundman. When and Where did you sign Form 720 C’s so that the Big Eagle could shit for you ? I worked with some great Avionics guys at 103MU Akrotiri and 1 Hangar ASF Laarbruch
Yes your right in your comment that I don’t understand the Paedophile network involvement fully. I do however know Andrea Davison and Pete Sawyer worked for Mohamed Al Fayed getting everything they could on the Tories especially those senior Politician Gays. I had it from a Bangor friend, that a visitor to Andrea Davison was Jonathan Aitken who of course at the time was a Co Director with Sir Mark Thatcher of BMARC that was acquired by: ASTRA HOLDINGS PLC (assassinated Gerald Bull) and Gerald James who wrote “In The Public Interest” that exposed how Stefanus Adolfus Kock aka Stefan Kock, MI6 used ASTRA HOLDINGS Plc to run Covert WMD arms shipments via Jordan, Oman and Israel into Iraq and Iran.
I don’t think you’ll have dismantled ASTRA HOLDINGS like I have or know exactly where Ambassador Frances Dee Cook, Simon Mann, Justin Longley, Oryx Natural Resources, Diamond Works ( Old ) Ltd in the DRC or Executive Outcomes play major roles in all this
When Davison fled the UK on or about 2nd July 2012 she flew via Miami where she managed to get photographed with Steven “Steve” Less and his new Girlfriend. Steve Less is better known as the underworld boss of “Secrets” Nuke Strip Clubs and Pole Dancing venues.
Steve Less was a business co Director and best friend of Max Clifford (There’s a hint) and Davison, with her Photojournalist Pete Sawyer (Scallywag and Spiked and Business-age) used to act a VIP “Punter Hunter” to put clients into positions that could be used to the advantage of the “Syndicate” Pete Sawyer was extremely good at Photography and would have put it to good Covert use at CLUB ODESSA aka CLUB RUSSIA in Bangor when VIP’s Top Police, Judges etc went for their Adult “Entertainment” and Fixes.
That’s why Kevin James Cahill rocked up as a Defence Witness at her Trial 4/7/2012 – 25/7/2012. Not to give credibility to Davison’s claims she worked for the Intelligence Services but, to listen to the Prosecution Evidence to see how far the Plods had infiltrated the network who Davison worked for.
Soundman: There’s a Dirty world of Corruption, Blackmail and Bribery in Politics involved here and trust me, over the last 10 years I found exactly who’s involved. I have their names, the Companies they have been inducted into along with the forensic corporate Documents that should bring about criminal convictions.
Merry Christmas Soundman, Anna and readers of this great Blog
- Soundman
December 21, 2014 at 4:47 pm -
LTF, 5Sqn, 11Sqn, then later sold out & worked for Hunting in KSA. I believe you its just that this blog is dismissive of the paedophile scandal. I agree (have commented previously) that fraudsters maybe involved.
How would you like to see this resolved?- gordon bowden
December 21, 2014 at 5:41 pm -
Hi Soundman.
I believe there are many top Politicians and Vip’s involved in Paedophile rings who are then moved to higher positions of Government to ultimately control the Piggy Bank. As I’ve discovered, it’s easy to rob a Corporate structure if you control it as per being a senior Board Director, Sir Steve Robson and RBS comes to my mind as a particular example because Sir Steve moved straight to XSTRATA and if you know how to dismantle AIM 26 Admission to Trade Documents, the answers to those accusations can be found within those Documents.
Much the same as PM David Cameron and his late father Ian Donald Cameron, their family trust, Blairmore Holdings in Panama, their complicit front operators, Lord Norman Lamont, Pinsent Masons and staff from Panmure Gordon with the fraud and theft of over US$ 1 billion of the Empire of Gerald Carroll see THE CARROLL FOUNDATION TRUST Fraud. Then there’s ex Conservative Leader Michael Howard, MP Peter Lilley, MP Peter Hain, Baroness Valerie Amos, PM Tony Blair and UI ENERGY Corp, these Rt Hon Individuals and over 40 other Rt Hon’s in my records.I have pushed authority buttons to get Andrea Davison returned and give her protection, to then disclose before the Police and Courts the Names of those VIP’s involved as she claims Daily in massive Paedophile Rings who are identified as complicit in the vilest criminal perversions to innocent children. Each Politician I have approached has refused to use their powers to get the Tory Government and Cameron to instruct the Foreign Office to get her back from Venezuela or wherever. Are they scared she’ll open PANDORA’S BOX. ? I’m sure she will.
Take care mate, you and your family and have a good Crimbo
- Soundman
December 21, 2014 at 6:04 pm -
Hi Gordon
That make s a lot of sense, many have said in the past that if you want to find out what’s really going on, “follow the money”. This sort of reasoning leads some of us to question how apparently ill equipped persons end up heading other financial institutions. There was another high profile one recently, knew Cyril too.Thanks, happy Christmas to you & yours too
- Soundman
- gordon bowden
- Soundman
- gordon bowden
- Soundman
December 21, 2014 at 7:13 pm -
Hi Anna
I apologise, I shouldn’t have said your blog is dismissive of the paedophile scandal.
I do respect & appreciate your research into this.
I do think though that (unlike yourself) too many are stuck at one side or the other on this subject.
Being open minded works both ways.
Sorry again. - Hater O’Shills
January 25, 2015 at 11:26 pm -
BEN FELLOWS IS A LIAR!
He wrote the following, in his ‘Open Letter to Kenneth Clarke’:
” Dear The Right Honourable Kenneth Clarke MP
You may not remember me but you groped me in Ian Greers office back in 1994, while I was working for the Cook Report…
Oh I just remembered this is funny. Remember when you were talking about G4S in Ian Greers office back in the day. You said that, why when you were asked why the company was called G4S, after the fiasco with Group 4 Securicor, you said that “It’s called G4S as the 4 was the dollar sign on the keyboard”…Oh so it is! ”
___________
Well, G4S didn’t exist in 1994! Securicor, and Group 4, were TWO SEPARATE companies back then. They didn’t merge until 2004:
http://www.g4s.com/en/Who%20we%20are/History/
Therefore, HE IS A LIAR. The UK Column/Bill BALONEY etc. want to ignore this FACT. Why are they backing a LIAR?? For whom do they REALLY work??
Fellows is playing his part in DISCREDITING GENUINE VICTIMS!
- Robert D
February 15, 2015 at 7:17 pm -
I’ve done a lot of research into child prostitution and pornography “rings”, over the last 30 years, trying to separate fact from fantasy with regard to “boy-lover” exploitation of the Gay rights movement. I have an old friend who shares my interest in this subject and we often use each other as sounding boards for our perceptions about particular cases. I had a very disquieting coversation with him the other day.
I’d asked my friend to look over some recent discussions about Elm Guest House and the Mary Moss-NAYPIC documents. Having done that, he said: “I have a great conspiracy theory for you”. I groaned. “Hear me out, now” he said, “this is going to blow you away”.
He asked me if I remembered the Louisiana boy scout troop case, from the Better Life Monthly conspiracy of the 1970s. The two boy-lover pervert leaders of this troop had been volunteer juvenile probation officers. They became juvenile probation officers so they could go through the boys case files, to identify kids who had been sexually abused or were accused of sexually abusing other children or had prostituted themselves in the past. These perverts correctly intuited that such boys would be more likely to tolerate being used for the child prostitution and pornography ring they were planning. Having identified a likely prospect, they would invite the boy to join their scout troop and officially recommend that they do so, as the boy’s case officer. The men took their scouts on trips to amusement parks around the US, and on these trips the boys were sexually abused by them and used for pornography involving acts with the men and between each other. They also arranged for other pedophiles to meet them wherever they were staying and prostituted the boys to these men.“Now”, said my friend, “look at what was going on in Piccadilly Circus during the ’70s. You have these young runaways showing up there all the time, many of whom are absconders from care homes. They are befriended by older boys who are also veterans of the care system. Having that background in common, the younger boys are more likely to feel comfortable around and trust such a person. They’d see them as peers, really”. I agreed that this was likely. “So”, said my friend, “the older boys are perfectly positioned to exploit their little buddies, by pimping them to the “johns” that are constantly stalking Piccadilly looking for “chicken”.
“Now imagine a voluntary association for the welfare of children in care homes, but one that is very different from traditional youth services organizations run by government agencies or churches and staffed by professional social workers. Imagine a voluntary association composed of the youth who are in the care system, themselves, and young adults who have recently graduated from the care system. A sort of “kids helping kids” concept, based on the idea that childen in care homes and graduates of care homes are more likely to understand the realities of life as a care home resident than some social work graduate with no personal experience and a headfull of abstract theory. Let’s call it “Kiddies in Care” association”.
“Because it is a sort of consumer services organization composed of and run by care home youth themselves, Kiddies In Care volunteers won’t be expected or required to be genuine social workers or child welfare professionals,and they won’t be subject to any of the screening protocols or background checks that might normally be applied to visitors interacting with children in a care home. Kiddies In Care volunteers will just be peer advocates, young men and women documenting complaints from care home children about their treatment, living conditions, or legal/bureaucratic process problems. To facilitate the collection and processing of children’s complaints there might be pamphlets or posters in every care home explaining the childrens rights, what to do if their rights are violated and how to contact Kiddies In Care”.
“Let’s say a teen resident in a care home is being sexually exploited by other residents or by workers in their home. The teen calls Kiddies In Care and a volunteer comes out to interview them. The volunteer explains that they are a graduate of the care system themselves, they’ve had similar experiences, they don’t work for The System,so no need to fear repercussions from anything the teen might reveal – genuine confidentiality guaranteed, you can really trust me. And they will, because they perceive this Kiddies In Care volunteer to be a peer”.
“Now imagine rogue Kiddies In Care volunteers. When these rogues interview child complainants, they solicit the child’s life history and especially the child’s sexual history. The rogue’s real motivation for interviewing the child is to assess the child’s suitability for use as a prostitute – like the Louisiana probation officers, except that the rogue also enjoys the peer comfort and trust exploited by the youth pimps in Piccadilly. The rogue collects information about the specific sexual acts the interviewee has experienced, the age and gender of their sex partners, experiences of forced sex, bondage or sadism, etc., to determine what the child has already experienced and could therefore by expected to tolerate experiencing again. The rogue also collects and records accusations of sexual abuse by staff members, which tells them who could be blackmailed into allowing the rogue to take the child out for overnight or weekend “trips” without asking any questions or making a tecord of the child’s abscence”.
“The rogue Kiddies In Care volunteer uses the interview information to create “summary reports” about the sexual abuse of children in care homes, which are actually catalogs of the rogue’s stable of child prostitutes for their “johns” to select from. These reports purport to summarize a child’s abuse experiences, but they are really descriptions of the prostitute’s “specialities”. For example – “tony, aged 11, tied to bedposts and repeatedly sodomized by older residents” or “julie, aged 13, forced to perform oral sex and swallow the abuser’s ejaculate”.
“Imagine that a guesthouse open up in a rogue Kiddies In Care volunteer’s “territory”. It’s a relatively high-class establishment with largely well-to-do, respectable clientelle. It also happens to cater to homosexuals, which the rogue and his/her criminal friends
associates with pederast exploitation of boy prostitutes in Piccadilly. The rogue assumes this guesthouse will therefore be open to hosting his “johns” and child prostitutes, and the rogue will be able to offer the “johns” a safe, quality venue in which to have sex with the prostitutes. The rogue and/or their criminal friends appraoch the guesthouse proprietors and suggest some kind of mutually beneficial arrangement for the “johns” and their child ‘relatives’ to rent rooms overnight or over weekends. But the proprieters are happy with their operation as it is, and decline the offer. The rogue isn’t going to accept “no”, however, and tries again but this time making it clear that this offer isn’t declinable – let my clients use your place, or we’ll put you out of business. Nevertheless, he/she is told to “get stuffed and get out!” Soon after, the phone calls begin: “sorry to bother you Mister Father of a Murdered Child, but I’ve been prostituting myself through this guesthouse and I think I saw your child there…”, “hello sleazy uk press? my name is Mr X and I recently stayed at this guesthouse, where little boys were being prostituted – it was revolting!’” and so on… - Jon Stevenson
April 16, 2015 at 12:16 pm -
Excellent. If only I had the time and money…..
- Matt Quinn
July 26, 2015 at 5:23 pm -
Just for the record…
“But Davison is just a congenital liar. Her often convincing stories when told to a newly recruited but naive listener can be damaging. One matter she scored quite well in was around 1986 and a regularly con on the innocent : she promised that she could arrange the lease on a council flat in West London for a 1000 quid fee via her ‘close friend and Housing Officer”
Davidson was running this same scam circa summer 1982 around the West Kensington/Barons Court area. The North End Road was a haunt – At the time I lived in Perham Road, and was a trainee ENG cameraman with Thames. There were a few folk from the station living/lodging in the area, most more familiar with the pubs in the area than I was ( I was quite young at the time). Her activities WERE noted by colleagues and, I seem to recall, floated as possible expose. – I’m not sure how far it was dug into, but suspect she ‘disappeared’ for a while having got wind of the press being onto her… A ‘bag of sand’ was really quite a bit of cash in ’82. – Especially for the sort of folk who were desperate for a council house…
I wonder where else and how often she pulled the same stunt?
- gordon bowden
July 26, 2015 at 9:45 pm -
Over 30 years, many. With German “Sir” Carsten Kujat & Pete Sawyer, her tag along partner & article journalist at “Scallywag” thereafter “Spiked” running massive fake company scams out of 254 Amesbury Avenue, Streatham London
- Matt Quinn
July 26, 2015 at 10:14 pm -
Quite so… Disturbing how certain people seem to stay under the radar… And appear to enjoy strange degrees of immunity from prosecution (at least untill they push the wrong buttons/become more idiot than useful). While the rest of us would probably be hunted down like dogs were we to re-use an unfranked stamp!
- Moor Larkin
July 27, 2015 at 7:36 am -
If you think she’s bad, you should check out the Media’s favoured Fake 7/7 Victim and sometime Lesbian, Beverli Rhodes.
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/newspaper-colossus.html- Matt Quinn
July 27, 2015 at 10:25 am -
I’m aware of the wider picture in some detail. And your anger Gordon is – in my opinion – well placed and understandable. – I suppose it should come as no surprise really that the sordid world of sex abuse (of all shades and types) should be interwoven with a petty and not-so-petty underworld… Political and otherwise.
But… A solitary grain of truth is all they require to start rolling a dirtball that is as fragile as it is febrile. And indeed this seems to be a recognised technique when some relatively minor complaint – if properly drilled into – might threaten the house of cards. It’s turned into a conspiracy, a scandal so ridiculous it flows away when the next tide comes in. And when such dirtballs are blasted away so is that tiny grain of truth. Along with its victims.
I would also agree very much with what you seem to infer (forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted)… That there is a culture of corruption and perversion so embedded in the political world that it seems to define it… Davidson, Rhodes, Shayler, McKenzie, McNeilll and the like… Bit-players all; one can easily compile a very long list. For me though, the notion that there is afoot some great overarching one-size-fits-all “[insert your most feared/hated group]-driven” conspiracy is as much a mechanism for distraction as Pepper’s Ghost.
The prosaic truth seems more along the lines of the country being run by a bunch of perverts, con-merchants, druggies and wasters… 50 shades of s**t. As I once commented elsewhere…
‘Big perverts have little perverts to make the smoke that hides ‘em…
And little perverts have lesser perverts and so ad-infinitum! ‘Lets remember that most con-tricks rely on misdirection.
- Matt Quinn
- gordon bowden
July 27, 2015 at 8:20 am -
I have fought for over 6 years to expose Ms “Tara” Andrea Davison aka TAMARA ROTHSCHILD along with 8 other alias ID Names she had and still has control over in Cyprus, Vancouver Canada, Gibraltar, Malta, UK Bank “Syndicate” Money laundering accounts. WHO ? Protects her, THE TOP, in LABOUR, LIB DEMS & CONSERVATIVE PARTY hence her “Old” friend KEVIN JAMES CAHILL her only in – absence Defence witness, previous INTELLIGENCE Advisor to LORD PADDY ASHDOWN, ex PM GORDON BROWN and currently Advisor to LORD LAIRD ARTIGARVAN. He was there to evaluate and calculate DAMAGE CONTROL to see how far the “Thin Blue Line” had exposed their major Organised Crime Network. I thank Anna for allowing MY Posts and for her information, in regard to the Child Abuse Exposure links, I fight for my 3 Nieces who were abused from the ages of 4-7 by their stepfather while my sister was working as the sole breadwinner. He served 2 years, they have suffered for over 30 years on constant medication and mental issue breakdown. I will with my last breath carry the fight for Justice for all, to expose the vile VIP Political corrupt filth who protect Andrea Davison and her criminal cohorts who fund their Political Parties with the proceeds of Crime.
- Moor Larkin
July 27, 2015 at 9:55 am -
“… Dennis Thatcher taught his wife Margaret how to steal from innocent investors and savers by introducing her as a young, but ambitious, trainee in what was a Jewish sector of North London. She was introduced to the dark arts of financial fraud in a number of scruffy buildings at 788-790 Finchley Road (which has since become a hub for SOME OF Tony Blair’s profiteering: then Gordon Brown’s then David Camerons). John Major was a man in the middle when she bailed out after munitions projects blew up in her face. Mrs T was a fast learner and an astute profiteering criminal… ”
https://sites.google.com/site/profgeorgeleesrevelations/dear-taxpayer-i-want-to-tell-you-about-the-prime-minister-s-boiler-room-in-finchley-road
… 788 -790 FINCHLEY RD
So First lets explore 20 interconnected FINCHLEY Rd addresses. There are over 500,000 Money Laundering “Russian Doll” Shell Companies, the massive JEWISH fronted Network of Mohammed ADNAN KHASHOGGI (close friend and business acquaintance of Al Fayed) who built a business Empire and then funded in part the 9/11 job with input from Britains trade delegations (led by Prince Andrew) and humorous British owned charities interested in impoverishing children and raising money for their welfare (led by Sarah Ferguson from her offices on the 101st floor of the World Trade buildings with her iconic RED DOLL doll which was the only intact survivor on the day that was Iraq and Afgahnistan’s Pearl Harbour)…Cor…
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Matt Quinn
- gordon bowden
- anon
October 2, 2015 at 3:06 am -
“Logically, if paedophilia is an incurable aberration of the brain”
That is where your analysis fails: right at the start. Dehumanisation is imposed, paedophilia is learned behaviour.
{ 86 comments… read them below or add one }