Child Abuse.
I try, I really do try, to get worked up over whether Stuart Hall kissed a 13 year old on the lips 20 years ago. Perhaps it did ruin her entire life. Maybe she was so traumatised that she was unable to speak in confidence and privacy of the occasion for 20 years until the current furore over Savile presented the opportunity to speak out to millions of avid newspaper readers via the courts. Gosh, and he allegedly touched the breast of a 17 year old. Off with his head.
Then I read of Sara Ege, and the sad life of her seven year old son, Yaseen. Sara beat her son over the head with a rolling pin, a hammer and a stick for months on end. She kept him in a shed. Tied him to the door. He had failed to memorise pages of the Koran sufficiently fast…
Eventually, one day, she hit him too hard and murdered him. Her solution to that inconvenient fact was to set light to his body and pretend that he had died in an unfortunate fire.
She was a 32 year old resident of Cardiff. Thankfully after today, she will, for the next 17 years, be a resident of Her Majesty’s Prison Service.
Had she not killed her son there is little doubt that young Yaseen would still have been enduring daily vicious beatings. I wonder whether Yaseen would ever have thought that perhaps he could talk to someone of the abuse he was suffering? Would he have turned to the NSPCC or Child-line for help? Would it have seemed to him that they were the sort of organisation set up to assist children like him? After all, Sara Ege is not a right wing comic, nor a BBC employee…
I look in vain for Tweets from Mark Williams-Thomas alerting me to the arrest of Sara Ege. No sign of Tom Watson alleging a sinister ring of child abusing Islamists beating memory of the Koran into young children.
I haven’t got a lot of time for Esther Rantzen, but she is right about one thing – the present politicised witch hunt over paedophilia that turns out to be obscenely irrelevant compared to the abuse suffered by some such as Yaseen, does all abused children a great disservice.
The NSPCC is in danger of following the RSPCA down the route of being a politicised organisation more concerned with high profile fund raising and empire building rather than actually positioning themselves in a way that makes them seem relevant to children like Yaseen.
I feel utterly sick at the thought of the trauma that poor child must have gone through.
January 12, 2013 at 00:38Karin ward’s blog http://www.fanstory.com/displaystory.jsp?hd=1&id=286530&userid=304314&tf=0
does not mention any form of abuse while she was at Duncroft school. She does
however state that she was continually physically abused by her mother and
sexually abused by her step father from the age of 5. I am not aware that
Karin Ward has ever reported this to the police and I am not aware if Mark
Williams Thomas, who is described as a child protection expert, and seems to
champion the cause of abused children has ever encouraged, or advised Karin
Ward to report the abuse she suffered at the hands of her parents. I was under
the impression that Karin Ward reported to the police in 1999 that she was
sexually abused by a carer at the care home, Garfield house, where she stayed
prior to going to Duncroft school, if so why didn’t she report the abuse she
says she suffered at the hands of Jimmy Savile at the same time? Karin Ward
alleges that Freddie Starr TRIED to grope her and failed then verbally abused
her, she claims that the smell of alcohol on Freddie Starr reminded her of her
step father. Freddie Starr is tea total. Karin Ward said later in the press
that Freddie Star smelt of stale sweat – no mention of alcohol! In her blog
she admits to being born in March 1958 and was therefore over 16 years of age
when she claims that Freddie Starr abused her. Karin Ward’s date of birth has
also been quoted as March 1958 so why has no one in the media picked up on
this? Are they stupid or deliberately skirting over this very importnat issue?
I had it that Merion Jones invited Mark Williams Thomas into his investigation
of abuse at Duncroft after making contact with Karin Ward and before
approaching BBC’s Newsnight programme. When News Night decided against the
programme it was hawked around and Panorama aired it. Mark Williams Thomas, as
I understand it, was a liasion officer in the police force and then after
leaving the force worked for Mr and Mrs McCann. I don’t know when Mark
Williams Thomas became a child protection expert or and investigative
journalist, but it would seem this is how he is styled. Mrs Jones, the
headmistress at Duncroft, when Karin Ward attended the schoo,l seems to be
quite aware of what went on at the school and has good recolection. I would
think that someone as thorough as she would have records of the movements of
the girls. I know that if I had charge of these girls they would have been
ushered onto the coach and back to the school immediately after any programme
they had attended. Were the staff who accompianied these girls to the Savile
shows standing in the car park while all of the alleged activity was
happening? It just doesn’t sound right and there are too many unanswered
points. I have read some of Mark William Thomas’s twitter page and people are
making outragious suppositions about all of this and I haven’t seen Mark
Williams Thomas correct them. I don’t think that any of the investigation is
forensic and quite frankly I think that Mark Williams Thomas has been less
than professional in his approach to it all. What is the truth????? Please
read Karin Ward’s Blog at the top of my comments.
January 10, 2013 at 23:41Yes you are, I have just spotted that.
BTW, anyone who wants a damn good
laugh at just how immensely gullible the internet commentariat can be on
matters relating to Savile, child abuse et al should take a look at the Needle
blog. Poor chap actually mistook a Private Eye spoof letter for the real
thing.
Mine are still drying
))))
January 10, 2013 at 22:29@ My Tuppence Worth. Holly Greig was paid £13,500 for Sexual Abuse against
her, as reported by her Mother. Holly isn’t actually able or capable of
reporting anything. One of the accused was the sister of a man, also accused,
who doesn’t actually have a sister. I have no idea if this was checked before
the money was paid. But Yes, it is more than possible that these girls will be
paid compensation without any proof. But then I expect that these girls and
Mark Williams Thomas know this.
Incidentally, It was I who suggested on
another Forum that MWT could be in for a percentage of the take. I have no
proof that this is true, but it don’t half make you wonder. Like, who is
paying him to devote himself to this cause?
Maureen Lang. Just in case
anyone was wondering.
January 11, 2013 at 00:17@Elena ‘Andcart,
It seems to have given his television career a significant boost, what
more does he want…?I wonder if they’ve actually any proof Jim Savile molested 10 year olds,
other than that someone has come forward and claimed to have been molested
by him at 10 after this whole anti Savile campaign…?I know there has been an accusation from Haute de la garenne, but did the
Duncroft and Haute de la garenne investigations not happen roughly round
about the same time, could one not have been influenced by the other…? I
doesn’t seem impossible these days what with the internet, there was a big
palava concerning Haute de la garenne to, some conspiracy theories
there….Wonder if any of this will put people off working or helping out in care
homes…- January 11, 2013 at 00:41
I think Mark Williams Thomas sees a career as another Max Clifford.
Come to me, all ye who are heavy laden and not frightfully articulate, and
I will help you out in exchange for a few bob of the Damages or
Compensation that I help you to get. It appears to be the up and coming
career of the day, and no Degree required. Although this is probably on
the future agenda of some Red Brick or another.
Good people will never
stop helping out in Care Homes, but then nor will bad people. People like
Mark Williams Thomas will just wait outside the doors.- January 11, 2013 at 01:25
I think the Newsnight and ITV Exposure documentaries were made for
money and no more. If people have knowledge of a crime, they are
perfectly at liberty to report it if they so wish without the assistance
or encouragement of Mark Williams-Thomas. I think if anything he’s just
helped turn this whole Jimmy Savile thing into one big tangled mess…
January 11, 2013 at 01:39A psychologist attached to the Greig case was also Karin Ward’s
psychologist.-
January 11, 2013 at 01:39 In fact, the one who encouraged K to start a memoir.
- January 11, 2013 at 02:00
@Mewsical,
God that’ll look great on her c.v…
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January 10, 2013 at 18:39 Has anyone come up with any proof yet? Did anyone actually see any of this
gross sexual abuse going on over many years? Is anyone about to admit
this?
Sorry, they can come up with 20,000 complaints but it doesn’t mean
anything, since not one single one of these generally hard bitten girls
complained at the time. The rest of them, possibly not quite so hard bitten,
don’t appear to have been at all aware of what was going on under their
noses.
“I saw Goody Two Shoes being abused by that Devil, but I never done
said noffink because I wanted to be in her shoes, for The Sweeties and stuff.
What about my Compensation?”
What a bloody farce.
I shall be riveted
tomorrow. And then we can all tear apart The Report. I can hardly wait.
January 10, 2013 at 19:15^ Elena
Can’t say I’m looking forward to this report tomorrow, I’m afraid. Its
going to be more of the ‘prolific predator’ rhetoric but with knobs on. And
it will be almost universally accepted because people will think that an
actual investigation has taken place rather than just the typing up of
assorted statements. To steal a quote of someone else’s, it takes police
longer than this to investigate a parking ticket.
January 10, 2013 at
19:44- January 10, 2013 at 19:52
@Mina Field,
Shocking. It was hearing it was to be a joint report with the NSPCC
that made my heart sink. Do you think that they will allow any
inconvenient or uncomfortable truth that conflicts with or contradicts any
of the testimony of their ‘victims’…?- January 10, 2013 at
20:33 What does this actually amount to? Accusations against a man who died
relatively wealthy, from a bunch of disaffected young women who were
already suffering from emotional distress at the hands of their own
families. They all then went on to deal with life in whatever way they
could. Some much better than others, but then such is life. They were
placed in what appears to have been the care of a good institution run
by good people. Some of these girls were vaguely grateful and some of
them were not. But which ever way you look at it, these girls needed
some sort of care.
The basically amenable got on with their lives
while the others festered. Some people blame all and sundry while the
others look to themselves. This is just the way things are. This is
people.
Jimmy Savile, who for all we know, tried to help. He pops his
cloggs leaving, I don’t know, about Five Million, and the disaffected
want some of it because in their eyes it is a great deal of money. So
they got together to cook up a deal. Hopefully only about ten of them.
Until a few others thought that this might be a good idea.
And then
there is always The Criminal Injuries Board. Holly Greig, still not
proven, and looking more dodgy by the minute, got £13,500 just because
her mother said that Holly said that she had been abused, albeit by some
persons that don’t even exist.
So I suggest that The Criminal
Injuries Board pay these woman. Unless of course, The Criminal Injuries
Board wish to question these allegations. That might set the cat amongst
the pigeons.- January 10, 2013 at 21:58
@Elena ‘Andcart,
You can get money from the criminal injuries board for ‘crimes’
committed by people that don’t exist…? No point in hoping they’ll
question the Jimmy Savile allegation then, unless claims go through
the roof…I think the accusations against Freddie Starr and Gary Glitter
might set the cat among the pigeons as far as the accusations from
Karin Ward go though as they’ll need looked into…
- January 10, 2013 at
21:47
- January 10, 2013 at 19:53
I have an horrible suspicion that you might be right, Mina. But it
won’t do Jimmy Savile any harm, will it? It will only ultimately affect
The Charities and future Abuse Victims. And I can’t see The Charities
giving up without a fight.
“Universally Accepted”, is irrelevant. Just
because The Hoi Poloi believe that an investigation has taken place does
not mean that it has.
Personally, I believe that The Report will be a
mish mash of innuendo and obfuscation, and won’t actually say anything at
all. The Police do not have any proof, and would be more than silly to say
that they have.
- January 11, 2013 at 00:05
Well, I don’t see any mention of approved schools for once, so that’s a
refreshing change. At least so far.- January 11, 2013 at 00:20
Sadly, the term “Approved School”, gave an entirely different message
to the one that was originally meant, and has now gone down in history as
a place for bad or very naught girls. Or boys. I won’t bother to explain
what it actually meant. Although obviously a few very naught girls and
boys were sent to one or other. But a lot of them weren’t naughty at all.
Just in need of care in the absence of such from their families.-
January 11, 2013 at 01:29 That’s why the term was dropped around 1969, along with amendments to
the Children’s Act, and was exchanged for the more palatable ‘care
home,’ usually under the control of the local authorities. As someone
who was mostly educated in boarding schools from the age of about 4
onwards, I have to say that Duncroft was on a par in many ways to some
of the boarding schools I went to when I was a nipper. One – a convent
boarding school – subjected me to more abuse that Duncroft. S’pose I’d
better lawyer up and sue the Anglican Church.
January 10, 2013 at 09:59Regarding all your comments on the Yewtree Operation I think you should all
hang your heads in shame! You allude to “groping” and “kissing” when in
reality you know nothing about what the victims may have gone through.
Arrested under the 1956 Sexual Offences Act where only those under 13 were
considered “girls” ie. any older and you were considered a woman so no “child
abuse” charge. Many offences under that Act would today (2003 Act) constitute
RAPE. Or are you all of the opinion that even RAPE 20/30/40 years ago is not
worth reporting? Perhaps the abuse carried on for many years, perhaps those
accused have scores of victims like saville did. Do you really have any
understanding of the affect that child abuse has on victims??? I think not!
Terrible things happen to children everyday, I do not think it is healthy to
start ranking them in order of seriousness so that some deserve sympathy and
investigation and others don’t.
I agree that other establishment child
abuse accusations also need serious and timely investigation, but don’t
rubbish accusations which, had these celebs been Jo Bloggs, would probably
have been investigated years ago. Their celebrity status will mean that those
victims have waited “to be believed” for many years, the JS documentary has
proved to be monumental in that regard. Mark Williams Thomas should be
congratulated for it, the media weren’t interested in those allegations
previously and that in itself needs investigating. There was a freelance
journalist who went to seven mainstream newspapers with JS victim interviews
before Xmas 2011 and none of those newspapers were interested.- January 10, 2013 at 10:35
Er, the Savile offences ‘exposed’ by Mark Williams Thomas were
investigated – in 2007.Are you suggesting that either the Police or the CPS were mesmerised by
Savile’s fame and corrupt in not proceeding against him when they didn’t
have the evidence?And the Daily Mirror were extremely interested in the allegations – but
the victims weren’t prepared to substantiate them whilst they could be
investigated…
January 10, 2013 at 10:57@ Karen Fletcher
Personally I think it perfectly acceptable that anyone should be free
to make the claim they were a victim. I also think there should be freedom
for someone to respond. We saw this happen with the Steve Messham debacle.
McAlpine was not harmed by the false allegation and Messham is presumably
much clearer in his mind now about his own past. Everyone was a
winner.The heavy-handed laws about defamation and corroboration by volume and
the involvement of compo lawyers can pervert what could otherwise be a
frank exchange between human beings about what may or may not have
happened forty years ago. Historical Abuse would be better dealt with by
bodies akin to Truth & Reconciliation Commissions. This would free up
police resources to deal with the people alive who are still actually
children, and proper attention being paid to the adults who are in control
of those children (assuming any adults are attempting any control
whatsoever, which seems often to be an issue with young teenagers, as in
Rochdale recently).There’s some very interesting case-studies here all the way back to
another panorma programme (from 2000), with intelligent views express from
both sides of the problem: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/1043428.stmIt’s always a conundrum about which is worse, one guilty person
“getting away with it” or one innocent person being imprisoned for
something they never did. I’m not sure the corroboration by volume method
is as fit for purpose in these modern days of Internet social networking,
as it might have seemed to be, back in the early Nineties.
January 11, 2013 at 08:59I was falsely accused of rape by an 17 year old youth 25 years
ago.I was very very lucky that it was in the West End and the matter was
dealt with by hardened world weary detectives. After a medical
examination the police doctor said his claims were false.
He admitted
as much- he had demanded money from me previously with this threat of
‘reporting me for rape” which I laughed of.
the detectives wanted me
to pursue him for blackmail and were most disappointed when i refused-
indeed quite shirty.I was wrong, they were right. I should have pursued it. As a result,
I have never ever allowed myself to be alone with anyone under the age
of 21.
False accusations : so easy to make and so hard to disprove.
If he had not claimed I had penetrated him, I have no doubt I would have
gone to jail.
- January 10, 2013 at 15:18
@Karen Fletcher,
Oh, so is some guy trying to give you a snog at 14 and ‘inappropriate
sexual language’ considered ‘RAPE’ now as well…? Well it’s not in my book,
or that of anyone else I know.And just what the hell has Freddie Starr been accused of and arrested
for…? Grabbing a 16 year old girls bum and giving her a bit of cheek when
she told him to ‘get off’ when she claims she saw him motioning towards her
‘boob’ 38 years ago!?! Who hasn’t had something like that happen to them…?
Something similar happened to me less than a week ago and a can tell you I
was decidedly over it before his hand left my skin. Are you seriously
suggesting that complaints of run of the mill nonsense like this, from
almost 40 years ago, should not rank well below, in order of seriousness,
that of a child who has been beaten to death after a series of brutal
attacks, over what could well have been a very long period of time…? Wake up
and smell the coffee…And I love the way the newspapers, news and morning television have all
repeatedly reported that Freddie Starr has been accused of ‘groping’ or
‘molesting’ an ‘underage girl’, when you don’t have to be Sherlock Holmes or
a mathematician to work out fairly quick that the girl in question would
have been 16 years old when she attended the filming of the Clunk Click show
Freddie Starr was on, the place she claims this incident happened – not
14.And the papers have always been interested in celebrity sex scandals,
don’t kid yourself. Just look at what happens to the royal family and other
celebrities on a regular basis, Jimmy Savile wasn’t that powerful…- January 10, 2013 at 16:14
Care to name the ‘freelance journalist’ Karen?
- January 10, 2013 at 17:36
The Daily Mirror was the first to run the story, in January of
2012
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/january-2012-daily-mirror.htmlMiles Goslett says he was hawking it around between November and
December of 2011.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8743711/leveson-and-jimmy-savile/
but
says he got it from a “source”…… presumably it was not “Deep Throat” …….
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January 10, 2013 at 17:49 That makes a lot more sense than “the newspapers weren’t interested
in it.” They were interested, but they were scared of Levenson.- January 10, 2013 at 18:09
Just after he passed away then. Perhaps a lot of the papers felt it
possibly wasn’t the most appropriate time to run a story like that
considering he hadn’t even been charged with any crime, despite a police
investigation…
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January 10, 2013 at 17:48 ^^^^^^Karen Fletcher
“but don’t rubbish accusations which, had these
celebs been Jo Bloggs, would probably have been investigated years ago.”Only if the alleged victims had complained, Karen. Only if they had
complained…… It would be extremely patronising to make the assumption that
every one of these alleged victims were all of the same mindset and that
they were all ‘too scared they wouldn’t be believed’. They are surely all
individuals with thoughts and feelings of their own, are they not? Some
would act differently from others, would they not? Some for instance might
give pride of place to photographs of themselves with their
‘abusers’…………-
January 10, 2013 at 17:59 And not only give pride of place to photos of themselves with their
abuser, but writing letters to the headmistress of Duncroft, thanking her
for all the help Duncroft had given her.-
January 10, 2013 at 18:01 That letter has doubtless found its way into the hands of Yewtree by
now.
- January 11, 2013 at 08:49
yet it would seem nearly 600 people allegedley assaulted by Savile
apparently were of the opinion that RAPE 20/30/40 years ago is not worth
reporting.
Weird isn’t it?.- January 11, 2013 at 10:27
@Joe Public,
Those are my thoughts. There is something not quite right going on
here, terrible in this day and age…
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January 10, 2013 at 00:10 Anna, you have made the Big Time.
Icke’s loons have decided you are an intelligence agent.
)))- January 10, 2013 at 01:11
Then they’re mistaken about giant lizards, it’s blogging raccoons they
should worry about! Especially intelligent ones!- January 10, 2013 at 05:34
Not for the first time! – I’ve been sent links in the past to long winded
blog entries ‘proving’ that I am – including that I apparently live in a
safe house in France sponsored by the government…..
I wish they’d get
round to proving it to the government so I could get all my bills pad!-
January 11, 2013 at 08:44 but are you a Freemason ? and a Rothschild ?
January 8, 2013 at 12:20I go back as far as the death of Maria Colwell, the first high profile in a
long sad line of child killing close relatives. I too cannot ‘get’ the reason
why so much tax payer’s money is thrown around going after fat old blokes who
groped a girl donkeys years. I worked in the community from 1963-1992 as a
community midwife. I was in the front line of watchfulness for child abuse,
based on in service training, for all those years. The police are in the
middle of a line of professionals. Social workers out front…..in the firing
line. They too need something to be reported and properly acted on, when
accurately reported. When I first started, there used to be specialist social
workers for children. Someone, who should be hung drawn and quartered, changed
the task to ‘generic’. ‘Any bodies job is nobody’s job’ one dragon of a
midwifery supervisor used to say. Too flippin true, as in the years since then
we arrived at Baby P and now this latest horror. As if there are not enough
reasons to have a go at children, like she’s backward/by a man they hate/not
the childs father/a teasing bully/horrible labour and delivery/debt/drug
dependency/mental illness/alchoholism/getting benefits by ‘caring’ for
relatives child. We even managed to breed Fred West, out in the sticks too. A
grim combination of all our worst nightmares. Now the list grows ever longer,
like female child not male etc. We have truly come to a bad place in our
social history.-
January 8, 2013 at 12:58 Just one small point. I come from an era and a class wherein girl
children were considered to be second class citizens. And that was in White,
Working Class Britain. But they didn’t know about gender identification in
the womb or allow abortion in those days. So must of us got tolerated and
made use of when it came to running the home, and waiting hand and foot on
our younger brothers. There was no Further Education for me. Although I
sometimes think that this might have compartmentalized me. As it is, I am a
dab hand at Make and Mend, and don’t seriously think that I was all that
hard done by, or care all that much that my younger brother got all of
Daddy’s lovely money. But Gender Preference is no new thing.
January 8, 2013 at 13:23Interesting. My mother was a community midwife around the same era.
In a way this point is quite well illustrated in Keri/Karin’s book where
the sexual abuse that she was subjected to from the age of two by her
stepfather and mother (I too skipped over most of it, because it was too
nauseating to read about it) makes anything that happened between her and
Savile sound positively nurturing and beneficial by comparison, and yet the
media focus is on Savile and not on her parents simply because Savile was a
well-known entertainer.This geriatric paedophile/groper thing is like the Seniors Tour in golf.
An excuse for mass media to make money by resurrecting the names of those
who would otherwise have faded into retirement and been forgotten.- January 8, 2013 at 14:16
@Jonathan Mason,
You’d have thought Mark Williams-Thomas would have advised her to go to
the police about her mother though, wouldn’t you?If he saw fit to advise her to go to the police and report a man she
claims felt her arse and gave her a bit of cheek when she was 16, you’d
have thought he’d definitely think she should go and report a woman she
claims sexually abused her from the age of 2, surely…? And (knowing what
he’s been like lately) that he should warn and inform his followers about
her on Twitter, to encourage others to come forward with similar
complaints.Do the police really have no interest in talking to a woman that has
been accused of abusing a 2 old…?
January 7, 2013 at 23:00Totally agree, strange how they miss obvious and sometimes fatal cases of
child abuse and cruelty but have endless time and manpower to harass elderly
men on allegations 20 – 40 years old and what is it with taking ‘evidence’
from their houses? what do they expect to find after all this time? The most
annoying thing is that even proven false accusations will not likely be
prosecuted for wasting time. I am disgusted with the whole thing and I still
haven’t seen any evidence that Savile was any more than a rather strange
character with a penchant for grouping teenage girls who did not appear to
object at the time and I never could stand him.- January 8, 2013 at 04:23
@Carol42,
I wonder how many cops it took to arrest Sara Ege…
My mum reckons ‘groping’ was a very common practice in those days,
doctors did it, teachers did it, police men did it (according to her), so if
the police want to start going down the road of applying today’s ideas of
what’s right and wrong to things people did 30 odd years ago and arresting
them for it, they’re going to be very busy indeed…- January 8, 2013 at 18:00
Yes, it was pretty common then, I remember one Dr. in particular who
insisted on examining you even if you had a sprained ankle! he was a
standing joke. We were, I think, made of sterner stuff and a sharp word
and slap if needed was enough, another was my pony riding instructor, I
was about 14 and a friend of his daughter, the only reason we could afford
the lessons. It was just a fact of life, can’t say we ever felt
traumatized, more amused at ‘dirty old men’ than anything and I can’t say
it did any harm or that I ever gave it a second thought as I grew up.- January 9, 2013 at 02:58
@Carol42,
It sounds as if you and my mum went to the same doctor, lol
The story she told me about some of the police was a lot more
shocking, and actually more shocking than most of the things i’ve heard
Jimmy Savile accused of (apart from the really outlandish things – which
i’m sure are bullshit).When more or less everyone seems to be singing from the same hymn
sheet regarding how they describe attitudes to this sort of thing 30 or
more years ago, it makes you wonder why Mark Williams-Thomas and people
like him think the accusations against Jimmy Savile are so note worthy,
and we don’t necessarily know if there even true…
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January 8, 2013 at 13:33 Nottinghamshire police have arrested a gamekeeper called Mellors after
receiving a complaint from a female member of the aristocracy who claims
that she was subjected to a barrage of uncouth language and other liberties.
In an early morning swoop on a tool shed on the Chatterley estate, police
emerged carrying several black bags of potential evidence including a bloody
shovel, grass-stained clothing, and a number of notes and letters.- January 8, 2013 at 14:36
@Jonathan Mason,
:L Have you been looking at MWT’s Twitter page again…?
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January 11, 2013 at 08:42 check out MWT’s Twitter followers..there lies true madness.
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January 7, 2013 at 20:40 Great article Anna, just what I had been thinking.
I have been perusing
the images uploaded online by a woman who claims to have the goods on the Elm
Guest House case, which appears to be the core of Operation Fairbank.
It
consists of reams of scrawled names and allegations, plus a few receipts for
rooms. It proves absolutely nothing. And the woman who has posted it up uses
three different names and is currently demanding money for her own pet project
before she hands the papers over to the police, who she claims not to
trust.
This is a sample: ‘Note on top is in (?) handwriting of Peter
Glencross, edited CGHE Newsletter for Monday Club’.
(CGHE = Conservative
Group for Homosexual Equality; Peter Glencross – wrote ‘gay guide’ to
Amsterdam)- January 7, 2013 at 21:00
Not Andrea Davison, I hope! (In which cae you are out by a factor of five
when it comes to using different names….)- January 9, 2013 at 00:19
No, this one is currently calling herself Mary Moss. I would give the
link to the site where she has posted it but I won’t sully your pages with
it. While the ‘outing list’ contains the names of every Tom Dick and Harry
you are likely to have heard of (mostly Tories plus some cops, a pop star
or two for added piquancy) the actual room receipts don’t seem to be for
any of them that I can see. So it proves absolutely nothing but has led to
yet another outing frenzy on twitter and the crazier forums. The same
woman who has posted the images claims to have been ‘case worker’ for
Carole Kasir who was running the guest house at the time, when she was
fighting to get her kids back after her conviction for running a brothel.
Kasir claims she didnt know the place was anything more than a friendly
cheap hostel for homosexuals. So no doubt many of the people on the room
receipts had no friggin’ idea either – but now their names, and some
addresses and phone numbers, are ‘out there’. Ditto even for some of the
alleged victims.
-
January 7, 2013 at 20:34 I have a sneaking suspicion that if The CPS were to announce that they were
dropping all of this Historic stuff due to it being all a bit too late, and
Jimmy Savile being dead, that there would be a cheer even I would be able to
hear.- January 7, 2013 at 20:44
In common law, there is a doctrine called ‘laches.’ Basically, it notes
that once a reasonable amount of time has gone by, no cause of action can
exist as too much time has elapsed. http://dictionary.law.com/default.aspx?selected=1097 I’d
say that more than covered the early 70s accusers, more than likely anyone
from the 80s, and maybe even into the 90s. I hope their ‘lawyer’ has pointed
that out to this lot. If they’d brought the complaints in the 70s, even if
they were laughed out of the police station, there would be a record that
they did try to complain which might overcome laches, but nobody did, even
though one of the Duncroft types told me that, with the assistance of a
staff member who handily left a door unlocked, a few of them scarpered and
went to the police station, they were summarily returned to Duncroft. This
is how fanciful this has all become. I’d LOVE to know which member of the
staff ‘left a door open.’- January 7, 2013 at 21:39
@Mewsical,
I thought something Karin Ward said in her interview that was shown on
Panorama didn’t make much sense, it was something along the lines of “I
wish i’d just ran and shouted to someone ‘make this stop’” (or something
like that), but she wasn’t saying that Jimmy Savile had actually forced
her to do anything, so i’d of thought she could have ‘made it stop’
herself by simply saying ‘no Jimmy, I won’t give you a blow job, please
don’t ask again or i’ll have to tell one of the staff’ and by making sure
she was never in the car alone with him again…? Surely at the age of
almost 16 she could have managed at least that? Or am I over simplifying
this…?-
January 7, 2013 at 22:44 What these women did not count on, when cooking up their little
scheme, was that women from prior years would show up and object
strongly to the entire farce. They want to misrepresent the staff and
make the staff part of the problem – but I know that if I went to the
staff, and especially Margaret Jones, with a complaint of that nature,
there is no way in god’s green earth that I would have been ignored. I
was at the school with the same staff they were, by and large (I didn’t
know Janet Theobald), so I can’t be accused of not knowing what I’m
talking about when it comes to those women. And, as you said, nobody was
twisting anyone’s arm to make them associate with Jimmy Savile. If
Margaret Jones is to be believed – and I’d believe her over any of these
complainants, having had my own personal experiences with their lies and
duplicity – the girls were mostly thrilled to see him show up and to go
to the BBC as well. That’s the truth of it.- January 8, 2013 at 03:26
@Mewsical,
In all the pictures you see in the papers of Jimmy Savile at
Duncroft the girls look pretty happy, you’d certainly get the
impression from those pictures that most of the girls liked having him
around…
January 7, 2013 at 18:33Have the police issued any figures on the number of accusers in the Savile
and related cases who have so far been proved to have made false accusations?
(I don’t know whether any have)Are there any studies which indicate what proportion of accusations in this
sort of situation are likely to be false?
January 7, 2013 at 18:32Great blog (once again!) echoing my own thoughts. Only last night some
clown Twitter called me (and I think Anna who’s blog I had attached) “inhumane
idiot” – I think he was upset that both blogs were contradicting his hero
Saint Mark.
It would appear even Esther, however cloudy her reasoning, can
now see how transparent the Yewtree WitchHunt has become – she hasn’t worked
out yet that you cannot pick and choose truth or injustice alas, but she never
was the sharpest tool in the shed.Perhaps the most absurd aspect of all of this witch-hunt is the state of
the current young generation – we can start fires about Jimmy Savile may have,
but probably didn’t, done on Top Of The Pops 40 years ago, yet it’s perfectly
acceptable for kids today to listen to ‘hands-in-the-air’ big hits – songs
like Lonely Islands “I Just Had Sex”, Khia’s “My Neck, My Back” (‘Right now,
Lick It Good, Lick this pussy just like you should – My Neck, My Back, lick my
pussy and my crack”) and Ke$ha’s “Die Young” (‘Let’s make the most of the
night like we’re gonna die young, We’re gonna die young’).If I were a high profile “child protection expert” I would be more
concerned about what is happening en masse to children TODAY rather than
demonising the oddballs of the past.
January 7, 2013 at 18:46The big problem is that MWT is not a ‘child protection expert’ – although
he does fit the definition of expert, x being the unknown and a spurt being
a drip under pressure – high profile or not. He is in fact a ‘glory seeker’
and if there is money in it so much better.
January 7, 2013 at 18:27Have a look at the NSPCC’s annual accounts some time and see how much they
pay their top people. Real 1 percenters. To me they seem more interested in
stirring things up so they’ll continue to get ever more government money (i.e.
our money, taken from us whether we like it or not). It’s a shame I can’t opt
out of forced donations via my taxes because then the NSPCC and its ilk would
get none of my money, I’d much rather be free to donate it where I choose.The system can’t get its act together to help those in real distress now
when they might be able to make a difference, they’re too busy chasing
innocents (see Christopher Booker’s columns) and those who might have done
something that, while not acceptable now, was perfectly in line with
acceptable society back then.
January 8, 2013 at 00:30I seem to recall sexual abuse complaints being made (some years ago, now)
about NSPCC-employed social workers…….
January 7, 2013 at 18:19“No sign of Tom Watson alleging a sinister ring of child abusing Islamists
beating memory of the Koran into young children…”He probably doesn’t speak to many teachers in West Yorkshire. Sadly it’s
fairly common practice.
January 8, 2013 at 03:59It’s actually more widespread than many think. Where I used to work in
Bradford certainly there are a large number of small madrassas whose sole
existence is to teach children barely old enough to read to learn the Koran
by rote repetition. This is undertaken by often elderly gentlemen employed
by the local community and brought over from Pakistan for this sole purpose.
It’s not exactly modern teaching standards as the elderly gentleman just
wanders around the room with a stick beating the children for failing to
read fast enough or pronounce correctly. The local council turns a blind eye
to this communal child abuse as they don’t wish to upset the local
population.You couldn’t make it up.
January
8, 2013 at 14:01“You couldn’t make it up.”
Sadly, you never have to…
January 7, 2013 at 18:12I had thought of a rant on the murder of this child. Thank you Anna for
doing it greater justice than I could.
January 7,
2013 at 18:12NSPCC and Childline will said suff happens. Just like the BBC said come to
the NHS.- January 7, 2013 at 17:49
It’s always about the money, ivan. A bunch of old skivers from 70s Duncroft
aren’t interested in justice or in changing the system – they’re just
interested in getting compensated by someone, anyone. They accepted ciggies
and records and sweets from Savile (allegedly) and now they’re looking for a
hand-out from the taxpayers. Bunch of con-artists. They disgust me.- January 7, 2013 at 18:37
@Mewsical,
Someone had too say it, lol…
And is it not a bit sad to think that, if Jimmy Savile never did the
things these women have accused him of, he probably actually did some quite
nice things for them, and this is what he gets for it…
January 9, 2013 at 16:58Mewsical do you know for a fact that any one of those women have asked
for compensation ?- January 9, 2013 at 17:42
@ do you know for a fact that any one of those women have asked for
compensation ?“Dux is acting for women who intend to sue ………….. the Duncroft approved
school…………… ”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/02/jimmy-savile-bbc-damages-claims-
January 9, 2013 at 18:41 “Dux is acting for women who intend to sue the BBC, Stoke Mandeville
hospital, Leeds general infirmary, the Duncroft approved school and an
unnamed institution where Savile is alleged to have assaulted at least
one woman.”-
January 9, 2013 at 20:46 Ah, you’ve just reminded me. I saw a post on another forum by someone
who frequents Anna’s saloon, in which she jokingly wondered if MWT is on
commission. Oddly my thoughts turned before long to the matter of soon
to be banned referral fees.-
January 9, 2013 at 21:00 You mean that lawyers are allowed to pay referral fees to people
other than other lawyers?? That’s not allowed here in the States. Just
asks for corruption.- January 9, 2013 at 21:31
I can’t imagine lawyers paying anyone, now they have the internet
available, and can go direct.“This is becoming an extensive inquiry spanning continents. Here at
Pannone we are dealing with allegations of abuse by Savile from all
over the UK, elsewhere in Europe and Australia.”
http://www.pannone.com/media/press-releases/2012/victims-to-claim-against-saviles-estate
To
discuss allegations of child abuse by Jimmy Savile please get in touch
with a child abuse solicitor today on 0800 0384 384 or email Alan
directly alan.collins@pannone.co.uk- January 9, 2013 at 21:42
Detectives investigating the Jimmy Savile sex abuse scandal will
publish a joint report with the NSPCC on Friday…- January 9, 2013 at 23:32
That’ll be interesting, to put it mildly.
- January 9, 2013 at 23:25
@Anna Raccoon,
Do you think they’ll reveal the actual truth about what they
found…?
- January 7, 2013 at 17:39
I think we can now see what all the celebrity fuss is about – money, to be
more concise, compensation.The Mail has the story of the solicitors for the victims of Jimmy looking
for £20 million that is supposed to be out there somewhere.As with all things we must remember to follow the money.
-
January 7, 2013 at 17:35 Is it just me or does this smack of the Met helping out their chums at the
BBC with a bit of ‘high viz policing’ against ageing TV and Radio stars who
are long since past their prime and therefore no threat the the ratings of the
lovely river of money from the TV License Fee.This stinks of a distraction away from the BBC and nothing else.
In the meantime, the focus of policing shifts away from the likes of poor
little Yaseen and others who need genuine protection and whose abusers (I wont
say parents / guardians / uncles), need to face the long arm of the law that
is chasing former BBC stars FOR PIFFLE!I’m not saying the antics of the BBC shouldn’t be investigation, but
policing is always about prioritization of limited resources and
proportionality.Someone needs to give Bernard Hogan-Howe a good, swift kick up the
arse!-
January 7, 2013 at 17:44 If this is what they are doing then all I can say is that they are making
a pig’s arse of it, and drawing attention to what they are trying to detract
from. And adding to the possibly wrongful belief that they are all Fascists.
Even Socialists can be Fascists, you know. It’s only a determination to
inflict their rule of law on other people for their own benefit. But this
one is going to go down in history, and only the truly abused will
lose..
January 7, 2013 at 19:05Wrong way round Elena. Fascists are socialists.
-
January 7, 2013 at 18:05 Or this case (link below), unless they can pin it on Stuart Hall.
- January 7, 2013 at 18:23
@John Galt,
Think you hit the nail on the head…
- January 7, 2013 at 18:39
I wouldn’t say it is a distraction away from the BBC. It has all the
hallmarks of a distraction away from the very thing Anna is highlighting –
abuse by the muslim community in the UK, that abuse being to their own
children and young white girls.The very fact this abuse is covered up by those in power speaks volumes
for the fact the PCists now rule.
-
January 7, 2013 at 17:06 I agree the Stuart Hall charges seem ridiculous, at least two of them do,
and the other is too vague to know what he is charged with.So 30 to 40 years ago a adult man kissed a teenager on the mouth and groped
the breast of another. Does this really merit a court hearing at this point in
time?Of course we don’t have the whole picture. Maybe those behind the scenes
all knew of Hall as a serial sexual predator and these are just sample
charges, but surely they could do better than this.Did intercourse take place? Was she a virgin? Did pregnancy ensue? Did she
have to be treated for a venereal disease? Was it forcible rape? Was it an act
of prostitution with a minor? Did money change hands? If the answer to more
than one of these is true, then possible there might be a case for bringing
charges at this late date, however even then one ought to take into account
that as a well-known figure on TV whose name and face would have been known to
every adolescent in the north of England, one ought to be extremely careful
not to bring false charges claimed by mentally disturbed witnesses.It seems particularly unfair that the names of the accusers are being held
anonymous as they are adults and this is not a rape case.Who would even want to return to England these days?
- January 7, 2013 at 17:33
@Jonathan Mason,
Good point…
-
January 7, 2013 at 20:23 The Stuart Hall thing (and of course the other poor saps like Max
Clifford, Jim Davidson, et al) would appear to turn right on its head the
notion that Savile wielded such power and influence that the alleged victims
were too afraid to speak out. So maybe at least that myth might be laid to
rest.
Its all very well Esther now bemoaning the absurdity of the
situation but she should have thought about that before she went running
eagerly to get herself on a cheap and irresponsible ‘expose’, following it
immediately by banging on to everyone about ‘oh we women had an awful time
of it in tv back in the day – my fwiend got actually waped you know’.
Probably she is a bit put out now because people she actually knows and
likes are becoming ‘the untouchables’.
What on earth would possess a
woman, now aged 56, to make a police complaint about an allegedly fondled
breast she had when she was 17,but money, mental illness, or both. I can’t
work out the police and CPS take on all this, other than to surmise that
they simply will not risk accusations of not acting.- January 7, 2013 at
20:26 - January 7, 2013 at 22:21
“What on earth would possess a woman, now aged 56, to make a police
complaint about an allegedly fondled breast she had when she was 17,but
money, mental illness, or both. I can’t work out the police and CPS take
on all this…”Me neither. And why could this charge not have been dealt with in the
magistrate’s court? Pretty straightforward. The plaintiff says her piece,
the accused responds, and the magistrate gives him a 5 pound fine or lets
him go and binds him over to keep the peace.- January 8, 2013 at 14:29
I think i’ll put in a complaint about my granny kissing me on the lips
when I was 8…
-
January 7, 2013 at 15:47 Poor Yassen may not have been able to get access to the phone, without his
mother watching over him and if he’d did get the chance and she caught him he
could have risked yet another beating. I think perhaps Mark Williams-Thomas
hasn’t been interested in Tweeting about this because there doesn’t seem to be
any sexual element to it, tbh…- January 7, 2013 at 15:58
Was there a sexual element to Tia Sharpe?
- January 7, 2013 at 16:35
@Anna Raccoon,
Did he ‘Tweet’ about Tia Sharp…?, he probably made a mistake there and
thought there might have been a sexual element, that’s my guess…
- January 7, 2013 at 16:11
@ Poor Yassen may not have been able to get access to the phone, without
his mother watching over him @Difficult to imagine an actual child, as opposed to a teenager, having
any grasp of helplines whatsoever.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-south-east-wales-20936911
The
serious case review panel found evidence that several agencies and
individual professionals had worked with “considerable dedication and
concern to support the mother”.I gather the father said he had no idea what was happening.
January 7, 2013 at 16:18No, no, they never do!
- January 7, 2013 at 16:40
I doubt phoning The NSPCC would have done Yaseen much good. They
weren’t interested in what was happening to me some sixty years ago, and
they don’t seem to have changed much, beyond raising money to pay their
managerial staff. I wouldn’t give them a penny. All of my spare cash, of
which there isn’t much, goes to The Lifeboat Fund.
And guess what? My
father didn’t know what was going on either. Phfft.- January 7, 2013 at 17:14
@Moor Larkin,
I know, unless someone had made him specifically aware of the child
line number or any other help line, how would he have known about it? And
the risks of telling a teacher and them telling her and still having to go
back with her and getting severely beaten for it would have probably been
to high. Also, if a kid is extremely isolated from everyday, sort of
‘normal’ society, they probably don’t realise what there mother is doing
in ‘wrong’, they know it feels wrong, but they might not be aware that
others think it is wrong and might feel others might think that they
deseved it or that mothers have a right to beat their children to within
an inch of her life.I can believe that social services genuinely didn’t not realise the
full extent of the situation (the mothers not exactly going to make them
aware, and the boy would have been to scared of what she might do to him
if he did), and there were cultural differences they perhaps didn’t fully
understand either. I can also believe that if the father worked long hours
(like a lot of taxi drivers) he maybe didn’t see a lot of his son, and the
boy would probably have been too scared to tell him anything incase he got
beaten.Bruises could have been a tell tale sign though, but then a lot of kids
that age get covered in bruises from normal accidents and horse play, so
perhaps it was easy to explain away…It’s difficult as no one really knows what goes on behind closed doors
in homes after they’ve left…- January 7, 2013 at 17:26
@ My tuppence worth
I probably agree with everything you say. Tragedies like these are
made in the home, and within the family. The mother plainly became
unbalanced, and yet this all took place within an apparently cohesive
family unit. If nothing else it illustrates that there are no easy, or
guaranteed, answers. I can recall having to learn Catholic Catechism in
the Sixties but was certainly never punished for failing to be very good
at it. I don’t suppose Catechism even exists any longer.
- January 7, 2013 at 15:34
@ I look in vain for Tweets from Mark Williams-Thomas alerting me to the
arrest of Sara Ege. @Why would he be interested? This is murder. He specialises in sexy
crime.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/jimmy-savile-investigator-mark-williams-thomas-1509838- January 7, 2013 at 15:57
Ahh, I thought it was child abuse and the plight of vulnerable children –
just sex and nudity is it, that explains a lot.- January 7, 2013 at 17:14
I was re-browsing Keri-Karins writing yesterday, pursuant to my own
blog, and realised that at the beginning of Book One she actually states
that she is writing under a pseudonym because her mother is still alive
and Keri wants to avoid get a law-suit if she used her real name. Given
what her mother is supposed to have done to her, I’m perplexed why MWT and
the kiddy-police have yet to trace the elderly woman and subject her to
the same trial and retribution that the ageing celebrities are getting
just now, for what seem much lesser crimes than what this parent did.It’s page 12, if you can use the “look inside” feature.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1480228958/ref=rdr_ext_sb_ti_sims_2- January 7, 2013 at 18:03
@Moor Larkin,
Wow, I think you just hit the nail on the head there.
I think she said on Twitter that Mark Williams-Thomas encouraged her
to go to the police about Jimmy Savile, Freddie Starr and Gary Glitter.
Ok, I know Jimmy Savile’s dead, but if her mother’s still alive, why
didn’t she go to the police about her too…? If she had surely Mark
Williams-Thomas would have Tweeted about it, since he thinks it’s so
important to make these things public? And if the police have saw fit to
arrest and question Freddie Starr, surely they’d see fit to at least
question her mother…? He lets us know when everyone else is being
questioned regarding this…Surely if the stuff in her book was true, avoiding a law-suit would
be the least of her concerns regarding her mother…?I’ve not read the book though. Would you recommend it…?
- January 7, 2013 at
18:09 I want to know why MWT – and indeed Karin, is monumentally
unbothered by physical bodily assault in the form of an unqualified
ex-judo teacher forcibly injecting her with a psychotic drug…..- January 7, 2013 at 18:12
Er, I don’t mean psychotic, but I’m in the middle of dinner and
can’t think what the right word is!- January 7, 2013 at
18:43 The word would be “antipsychotic” in the US or probably
“anti-psychotic” in the UK. Wasn’t it the other girl who allegedly
was assaulted by Savile in the caravan who got the shot of
Chlorpromazine when she was secluded after reporting the Savile
sexual assault? I remember Keri-Karin said she was on Lithium at
the time of the Savile incident, which she said affected her
memory, but other than this she writes very little about or
nothing about her mental health diagnosis or what medication she
took.- January 7, 2013 at 18:49
Charlotte lied like a rug about what happened. She’s as bad
as the rest of them. Three days in the ICU??? How about
overnight, after slugging a member of the staff. After which,
she absconded and ultimately ended up in a much more unpleasant
place than Duncroft.- January 7, 2013 at 20:23
It was Candice, her best friend, that Miss Keenan was said to
have ‘injected’- chapter seven, I just looked it up for you. I
believe there was reference to Charlotte being injected
too, after the alleged caravan incident, but no allegation that
the untrained Miss Keenan gave the injection!Miss Keenan, of course, is no longer alive to defend herself,
or indeed to be libelled….handy that….- January 7, 2013 at 20:37
Bridie never gave anyone an injection of any sort that I’m
aware of – just dished out whatever medications had been
prescribed by either P Mason or a GP. I don’t doubt that the
type of girl was somewhat different than those of the 60s, but
even if they were raving, usually a licensed physician was
required to attend if injections and so on were required. I
was on some sort of thyroid medication, according to my
records, but all Bridie did was hand me the pills. I think
some of these women watched One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest a
few too many times, myself.Yes, I’d pay good money to see this lot accuse Bridie to
her face. This seems a lot more like getting their own back on
the staff, using this Savile pretext to do so. I’m getting
tired of hearing how ‘the school was different than in your
day.’ Well, how so? Because the girls were different, right?
And a lot of them were and still are criminally-inclined, as
far as I can tell.- January 7, 2013 at 20:59
- January 7, 2013 at 18:12
I have read the book that covers the part of her life at Duncroft
and the encounter with Savile. It is only a dollar or two to download.
It is interesting in parts, but if you want to know whether it is a
minor classic of genre literature, I would say no.- January 7, 2013 at 22:26
@ I’ve not read the book though. Would you recommend it…? @
I’ve utilised relevant passages in my latest blog, to illustrate my
points.
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/01/speaking-literally.html
They
might give you a flavour.
I hope I won’t be perceived as a
*Plugger*…
- January 7, 2013 at 22:46
More Moorplugger than Mudplugger?!!!
You are welcome to place the link here, I have just read your
analysis, and congratulations, you have managed to bring forward
some new points – extraordinary after the millions of words that
have been written on the subject over the past couple of months.
Well done!- January 7, 2013 at 23:22
@ I have just read your analysis, and congratulations, you have
managed to bring forward some new points @Hearing that from the landlady, I can only offer to stand
drinks all round, and grin like a fool….When I first found your blogs on the Duncroft matter, I
remarked,
“Your blog carries real importance….. The truth IS
out there, and it behoves every one of us to seek it out.”Thank you.
- January 10, 2013 at
00:34 Moor I would just like to say that I have been reading the
last few entries on your blog and they are superb. One of these
days i will have to get around to making one of those identity
thingies so I can leave a comment!- January 10, 2013 at 07:54
@ilovethebbc
Ciao. According to my settings I am allowing “anonymous”
posting. Anyhow, thank you for the comment in here…- January 10, 2013 at
23:43 Oh damn, I hate it when the comments come out all over
the shop. I’ll try again:Yes you are allowing anon comments, I have just spotted
that.
BTW, anyone who wants a damn good laugh at just how
immensely gullible the internet commentariat can be on
matters relating to Savile, child abuse et al should take a
look at the Needle blog. Poor chap actually mistook a
Private Eye spoof letter for the real thing.
Mine are
still drying
))))
- January 8, 2013 at 01:15
Sure you’re not a lawyer, Moor? Mr. Larkin for the defense,
M’lud. Very good job. I hope everyone has read it.I missed the BBC Television Theater gaffe entirely. That’s a
big problem. Let alone her age. I was there at 16 myself, in fact
until I was 17. The older girls were treated differently – more
privileges, etc. The general arrival age was 14, and the
authorities had jurisdiction until you turned 17, no matter if you
left, or what. After that, you were on your own.
- January 7, 2013 at 19:21
@Mewsical,
Do they know if Jimmy Savile was on or had been on the premises at
the time or any time just before the incident were Charlotte was put in
the
U…?- January 7, 2013 at 19:30
@Mewsical,
*ICU
- January 7, 2013 at 19:35
@Jonathan Mason,
Lol
- January 7, 2013 at 22:58
“… Easily swayed, as always naive, Keri is drawn into further abuse,
which, due to excitement about their celebrity visitor, neither she nor
the other girls recognise for what it is.”.
I think Sylvie Krin may
have ghosted this novel.
- January 7, 2013 at 18:26
I wonder how much kiddie porn would be found on his computer if the
police did one of their ‘shock and awe’ dawn raids on his place?-
January 7, 2013 at 18:41 I’ve been wondering that myself. He seems much too interested in that
aspect of abuse, and not at all in such situations as Yassen.
- January 7, 2013 at 15:19
Such a bonny little lad, too. What with Mitchell & Plebgate and now
these high profile, low value publicity stunts – well, I bet even Vera Baird
is wondering what’s going on!!!
January 7, 2013 at 14:26I signed up for monthly donations to the NSPCC. I got fed up of them
ringing to ask me to increase the amount and the final straw was when I had a
call from a very rude rep, so I cancelled. I also got sick of all the mail
they used to send – surely all that costs money as well.I then donated money to the Red Cross instead and they seemed OK but
started to use an agency for fund raising so the pestering calls started from
them too.I’m not donating any more to these charities that spend more on fund
raising than anything else and I wonder if anyone else feels the same.
January 7, 2013 at 15:14These charities seem tuned to getting cash from innocents through their
posse of chuggers – and then cracking bones to get at the precious
marrow.
January 7, 2013 at 15:16I agree with Anna regarding the excessive anxiety over paedophiles in the
entertainment industry most of which seems to be late claims of ‘normal’
indecency towards females and not paedophilia which I naturally abhor. As
regards charity donations, I give to “Merlin” an organisation which provides
first response to international disasters and I have never been dunned for
more money.- January 7, 2013 at 16:21
I’ve been getting fed up with the Red Cross, they’ve been pestering me
constantly for the last 5 years or more (probably since I was stupid enough
to give my number). I agreed to £8 a month, but they always ring up asking
you to increase it and for some reason will not take no for an answer, so,
if you say you can’t increase your payment to £20, they won’t let you go
until you’ve at least increased it to £10. But I had a few bounced payments
last year with my bank and on one of those occassions it was the Red Cross,
so I decided to cancel it. Didn’t last long. No sooner do you cancel it than
they are back on the phone again pestering you, making you feel like a right
tight git. They certainly don’t seem to care if you’ve got the money to
spare or not or where the money comes from – as long as it goes to them.
They’re very pushy sales men…- January 7, 2013 at 18:22
I always find that, with their salespeople, the best approach is to tell
them sorry but you’re pro-child abuse.Works particularly well when you’re in the high street with your
kids.
January 7, 2013 at 23:07I give to the RLNI, I also help out at the local Lifeboat Station
(cleaning, polishing etc) I know most of those who crew the boat. No-one
gets a penny.
That’s why I give.
Oh, and we’ve just been told that
we’re to get one of the brand-new, most up-to-date boats going! A party is
planned!
January 8, 2013 at 10:19Yep, me too. True volunteers risking their lives. However I also give
to Forces’ charities (past and present family members in HM Armed Forces).
Plus local orphanages (in Spain where I lived) who have never, ever
bothered me and I see where the money goes.
January 8, 2013 at 11:28These days I only give to 3 charities. Poppy day, RNLI & Help for
Heroes.
To me they seem the most deserving.
January 7, 2013 at 14:24Well expressed Anna.
And, the “present politicised witch hunt over paedophilia ” are still only
‘allegations’.- January 8, 2013 at 00:19
Allegations concerning “victims”, according to the police.
Unlike the
allegations regarding grooming gangs.
- January 7,
2013 at 14:20 “I look in vain for Tweets from Mark
Williams-Thomas alerting me to the arrest of Sara Ege. “Indeed! Though just yesterday, the odious little slug was piously warning
people to be careful what they write about pedophilia because it might cause
‘distress’ to those who had experienced it!- January 7, 2013 at 17:25
He needs to get in touch with his Duncroft coven and tell them to stand
down as well. Speaking of odious slugs. Whinging and whining about nothing,
that happened yeeeeaaaaars ago (if it ever happened at all), when this sort
of horror goes on. They should be ashamed of themselves.
- January 7, 2013 at 22:37
Absolutely agree.
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