Past Lives and Present Misgivings – Part Eight.
Lordy, Lordy, Lordy – this entire shebang grows more bizzarre by the hour, if not by the minute.
Overnight, a woman called Andrea Davison has emerged to claim that she was also at Duncroft, and there she first learned of ‘the existence of an Elite Paedophile ring reaching into the Government’. This is a story which has been gaining much traction on the Internet overnight.
I will take it one step at a time, otherwise I might fry your brains…
I have established via Derbyshire police (explanation will come later!) that this woman really is called Andrea Davison, that is her true name (amongst many fake others) and that she really is 62 years old.
That would place her at Duncroft around 1964/1965/1966. Assuming she really was at Duncroft. I have spoken to a senior member of staff, and two girls who were there at that time, and no one can recall a girl of that name. That is not to say that she is lying, she may have been utterly unmemorable; if so, she got off to a slow start in the ‘being utterly memorable‘ stakes.
If, and it remains an ‘if’, she was at Duncroft in ’64, ’65, or ’66, then she was there some 8 or 9 years before Jimmy Savile ever set foot in the place. Pace Bebe Roberts. Ipso, she cannot be talking about an alleged paedophile ring involving Jimmy Savile.
Andrea Davison is an interesting person though. The reason I had to confirm her identity with Derbyshire Police is that they have reluctantly become considerably expert in all matters Andrea Davison and her various related identities. This started when the Derbyshire Economic Crime unit became aware of a major fraud which resulted in several innocent members of the public losing their life savings. Prosecutions were brought against the fraudsters, and in the course of their enquiries, they became aware that false identity documents, including passports, were being used by the fraudsters which emanated from an address in Wales.
North Wales police obtained an arrest warrant and raided the property in Felinheli – the home of Andrea Davison – where they discovered what amounted to a ‘document factory’. They arrested Andrea Davison and charged her with 27 separate fraud and theft offences.
During the course of their interviews with her, she claimed to be an agent for MI5 or MI6, and claimed to have been producing ‘virtual identities’ in an effort to protect her life which she said was in danger as a result of ‘her work for the secret services’. The police made enquiries with both MI5 and MI6, but were unable to confirm that she had ever worked for either of them…they did discover that she had been an informant for Customs and Excise, and the Ministry of Defence. Something which would hardly have endeared her to the serious criminal gang who were using false passports provided by her. This may have some bearing on what followed.
Before the matter could come to Crown Court, Andrea left her home and claimed political asylum in the Ecuadorian embassy.
You may take a second breather here to compose yourself.
She was, of course, ahead of Julian Assange in this move. Indeed, she would tell you that the real reason William Hague ‘was threatening to storm the Ecuadorian Embassy’ was to get at her rather than Assange….she believes herself to be a far more important and dangerous person to the British government on account of her ‘knowledge’ – gained at Duncroft, aged 14 or 15, no less – of an elite paedophile gang operating at the heart of government.
In her absence, she was convicted of 26 offences of fraud and theft by a jury of 12 of her peers – note, not a ‘member of the corrupt judiciary’ – her peers, of having been instrumental in fleecing many innocent people of their life savings. She was found not guilty of the 27th charge by order of one of those ‘corrupt members of the judiciary’ that we are told about….
Somehow she managed to leave the protection of the Ecuadorian Embassy and arrive in Argentina, where she is today.
From Argentina, she has now declared that ‘Police and Yorkshire Crown Prosecution Service and the Judiciary of North Wales wanted to get her into prison where they could silence her. Her colleagues are convinced the Establishment were deliberately driving her to suicide or would have suicided (sic) her in prison.
If that were so, many innocent members of the public would have had to be fleeced in a police sting operation in order to be seen to arrest the fraudsters (now slumming it in prison) who were using the passports which Andrea claims she was only printing to save her life on account of her being such a terribly dangerous person to the British establishment…this ‘conspiracy’ has more tentacles than a brace of siamese-twin octopi.
She also claims that ‘ the Court stole [all her] life savings, her inheritance and heirlooms from her Parents and everything she owned’ – not the train fare to Argentina apparently…
Usually known as a ‘proceeds of crime order’. Quite common after a major fraud trial.
From Argentina, Andrea tells us that ‘she worked closely with Tony Blair’ to expose evidence of ’the Conservative Governments involvement in illegal arms deals and their cover-up of organised child abuse’. She certainly wrote to Blair more than once, and produces as evidence a copy of his letter to Ken Clarke where he states that ‘it is not the first approach I have received and I am sure it is not the last’ – whether he was just referring to an approach by Andrea or by other people is not made clear.
Five years after that letter was written, Tony Blair came to power and Labour was in power for the following 13 years – yet nothing further seems to have happened with regard to Andrea ‘working closely with Tony Blair’….
Andrea now complains that ‘the evidence she held about the North Wales Children’s Homes and Duncroft and the Paedophile ring was seized by the Derby and North Wales Police in January 2010 and has never been returned’ – that would be along with the evidence they seized about her fake ID factory then?
Andrea (now describing herself as an ‘investigator of sexual abuse’, rather than an MI5 agent) believes that Kenneth Clarke ‘got his revenge’ on her for having the temerity to write to Tony Blair regarding her views on a paedophile ring by refusing to allow her to have a fair trial in the Mold Crown Court proceedings – these would be the July 2012 proceedings that she chose not to attend, preferring to share a broom cupboard with our old friend Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy….they must have had some interesting discussions on the definition of sexual abuse, to say nothing of ‘which of them was the most important’.
One item I fell upon in the course of researching this article, concerns the Palestine Telegraph. A blogosphere ‘newspaper’ well known to those of us who come in contact with the tin foil hat conspiracy theorists. How can I say this, it is not a source that I would trust as far as I could see it to report the truth, or check on its sources. Indeed, it was sued for libel, for having made up wild stories that the ‘claimant was a fraudster’. It was at this point that I fell off my chair laughing.
The claimant was none other than Andrea Davison v Sameh Habeeb & 5 Ors [2011] EWHC 3031 Bwa-ha-ha-ha!
I reported all this to Miss Jones this morning. At 91, and having had her reputation maligned by a media which doesn’t choose to check up on the likely veracity of its informants, she is entitled to some cheer in life….as she said – you couldn’t make it up. But someone did, at some point in this story.
Remind me someone, didn’t I come into this story as a result of someone claiming to have been abused by Savile at Duncroft in 1965 and a forged letter? Forgeries, forgeries, I’m connecting dots somewhere…..
Blimey, never let it be said that Miss Jones girls were a boring lot……!
Ms Raccoon is now going to climb out of this rabbit hole and go out for lunch with her reassuringly sane husband – back later.
November 23, 2012 at 15:47
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@ Mina and Moor re. MWT’s police career – the brother of one of the former
staff members (also still alive) was suspicious of MWT’s credentials also. The
brother is a retired detective from the Met. Yes, true enough that having
taken a promotion to a detective constable and then leaving the police is a
bit odd. Parenthetically, now and then we’d have parties at Duncroft – usually
at Halloween – and police cadets would be invited as guests.
November 22, 2012 at 22:12
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Hugely entertaining as ever…….
November 22, 2012 at 08:29
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It seems to me that the BBC is an ‘Unsafe Workplace’. Not only are visitors
abused, but the staff seem to have been bringing ‘actions’ against the BBC, at
huge expense to the viewing public (who don’t get to view the Tribunal
going-on)
“Within the last 10 years, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) has
spent at least £18,580,040 in legal costs – absorbing the revenue extracted
from 129,553 licence fee payers – on claims made against the state
broadcaster. This figure does not include money spent using in-house
lawyers.
A Freedom of Information (FoI) request by The Commentator has
revealed several figures regarding BBC payments in out-of-court settlements,
employment tribunal claims, litigation claims, and the number of times the
corporation has been sued.
Between April 1st 2005 and November 2nd 2012,
the BBC spent £2,893,492 in legal costs as part of employment tribunal claims
brought against the corporation.
Over five years, 136 claimants lodged 146
industrial tribunal and employment tribunal claims against the BBC. Since
January 2008 and up to the end of October 2012, the BBC has been sued 60
times, according to the BBC’s litigation database figures.
…… Lawyers at
the BBC have said that the BBC could also face a multi-million pound
compensation claim from victims of alleged sexual abuse by the former Top of
the Pops presenter.
Just last week, the BBC agreed to pay Lord McAlpine
£185,000 in damages”
A nice little earner, this litigation bizzo.
November 22, 2012 at 12:45
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I now feel quite cheated that on my few visits to TV Centre – as both an
audience member, and the guest of a BBC employee – I never once got the
chance to wander off and witness any scenes of depravity at all. Unless
recoridngs of Two Pints of Lager count.
November 22, 2012 at 08:20
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Please could I ask Anna or her readers whether they know or have contacts
who might know, the provenance of the alleged tape recording of Jimmy Savile
that featured in MW-Tosser’s first program? Its been bugging me terribly that
nobody appears to have questioned where it came from – who was he talking to?
What editing was done? I know it sounded disjointed to me. He said ‘they did
nothing wrong’ and it was edited to appear he was referring to GG . I don’t
think he’d have said ‘they’ if referring to GG (him, not they).
It seems
mighty peculiar that its never been revealed whose interview this was, why it
was never aired – it would have been quite a scoop at the time if
genuine.
I’d like this tape to be found to be not authentic, given that
most people now appreciate that the rest of the program was full of fakes and
frauds. Then perhaps Tosser will receive his due vilification in due course
for starting up this whole mess which has made even the most responsible and
sensible politicians and others feel they have to join in rather than be
ostracized and labelled as a paedo supporter.
November 22, 2012 at 09:15
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@mina field
These tapes?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/nov/09/jimmy-savile-recordings-met-police
They
seem to be with the police now.
Here’s one of it’s first press incarnation pages.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9589207/Jimmy-Savile-abuse-audio-recording-emerges.html
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November 22, 2012 at 13:40
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No, not those. The one played on MW-T’s original Exposure program,
which MW-T claimed was an interview Savile gave in 2009 (I think that was
the year). Its never been explained what interview this was, and with
whom, and how MW-T acquired it. Now, I know there are Savile impersonators
but don’t know if they do the full voice………..
November 22, 2012 at
09:54
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Patience chidlren – I’m writing as fast as I can…….!
- November 22, 2012 at 11:00
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The “Exposure” Pt2 programme was shown last night and Williams-Thomas
let slip that he was involved with the old 2007 Duncroft investigation.
Other than that, there seemed little of interest, other than grinding on
about Savile. Savile’s long-term PA was interviewed and said she had never
seen anything to make her “suspect”. Her reward for the interview was
being dismissed on the premise that “he was good at hiding wasn’t he”.
November 22, 2012 at 13:13
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The PA also described being fired by him in a particularly nasty way,
so she isn’t a neutral observer. If she did ever see anything, she has
an incentive to say she didn’t because if she said she had, the next
questions would be why didn’t she warn people before, and why did she go
on working for him. She also has an incentive to say (as she did) that
he was a nasty, ruthless, manipulative person because of the way he
treated her in the end.
Sir Roger Jones, the guy who kept Savile away from Children in Need,
was repeatedly asked why he didn’t tell anyone else at the BBC, but what
was he supposed to tell them? He felt that the body language of his
staff when Savile was mentioned showed that JS made them uncomfortable,
so he decided Savile should not be involved in future. Fair enough –
good managers don’t want to cause discomfort to their staff. However, it
seemed in the interview that he didn’t actually ask anyone why they felt
like that. Even if he suspected that Savile had been groping some of the
staff (presumably all adults, not underage girls), why would that make
him suspect anything like the allegations being made against Savile now?
If he had gone to other people of influence in the BBC and said that
Savile should no longer be allowed to participate in any programmes
because he had a feeling JS made some staff uncomfortable, I doubt
anyone would have listened to him, and if what he said had got back to
Savile, he might even have been sued.
- November 22, 2012 at 13:54
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@ If she did ever see anything, she has an incentive to say she
didn’t because if she said she had, the next questions would be why
didn’t she warn people before, and why did she go on working for him.
‘
Isn’t that what pretty much what Roger Jones has done? You managed
to justify him without any problem.
- November 22, 2012 at 14:31
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“@ If she did ever see anything, she has an incentive to say she
didn’t because if she said she had, the next questions would be why
didn’t she warn people before, and why did she go on working for him.
‘
“Isn’t that what pretty much what Roger Jones has done? You
managed to justify him without any problem.”
No, because he didn’t personally see Savile doing anything, just
sensed that his staff weren’t comfortable wih Savile. Probably he
should have asked them why, but there is no reason to believe it would
have involved suspicion of inappropriate sexual activity with underage
girls. If any of his staff did have reason to suspect that, they
should have told him or someone else, not just stayed quiet but looked
uncomfortable.
- November 22, 2012 at 16:12
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# “Isn’t that what pretty much what Roger Jones has done? You
managed to justify him without any problem.” #
@ No, because he didn’t personally see Savile doing anything, just
sensed that his staff weren’t comfortable wih Savile. Probably he
should have asked them why, but there is no reason to believe it would
have involved suspicion of inappropriate sexual activity with underage
girls. If any of his staff did have reason to suspect that, they
should have told him or someone else, not just stayed quiet but looked
uncomfortable. @
So Roger Jones is “innocent” but now you imply that all his staff
did know – hence their “body language”. You see how this sort of thing
mushrooms? You have just ‘condemned’ all those staff. Isn’t it much
simpler to see that Roger Jones is a self-important windbag who sought
to put distance between himself (personally) and the cesspit – without
a thought for his “staff”, because he was doing exactly what you just
did and basically saying that all those staff were covering up
paedophilia.
You suggest Cope DID know but could hardly admit it. So now you
condemn her for covering up for a child abuser as well. On what basis
do you condemn her? Because she tells the truth? This really is Catch
22 stuff because the only way she “wins” is to say Jimmy was guilty,
which makes her guilty for 30 years as well.
She said she found him manipulative, but that was only after he
sacked her.
Also, doesn’t this seem odd to you? Here is a woman who would know
where all the bodies are buried and Savile pisses her off big time?
His behaviour towards her only convinces me even more that he had
nothing to hide.
- November 22, 2012 at 17:20
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You are reading so much into what I wrote which just isn’t there
…
“So Roger Jones is “innocent” but now you imply that all his staff
did know – hence their “body language”. You see how this sort of thing
mushrooms? You have just ‘condemned’ all those staff.”
No, I have not. Any “condemnation” is in your own mind. I’m not
implying anything about his staff, nor do I think he was doing so. My
guess is that they were uncomfortable because he was overly tactile
for some (adult) women’s comfort. There are many reports (including
things he said himself, and incidents caught on camera) confirming
that he was – not a criminal offence, but enough to cause the
discomfort Jones says he observed.
“he was doing exactly what you just did and basically saying that
all those staff were covering up paedophilia. ”
Same objection. You are assuming that saying he thought he saw
discomfort is the same as saying they knew about paedophilia. That’s a
huge jump on very little evidence. You may have interpreted what he
said that way, but I didn’t.
“You suggest Cope DID know but could hardly admit it. So now you
condemn her for covering up for a child abuser as well. On what basis
do you condemn her? Because she tells the truth? This really is Catch
22 stuff because the only way she “wins” is to say Jimmy was guilty,
which makes her guilty for 30 years as well.”
Again, no. I did not suggest that she knew. I’m not even suggesting
there was anything she could have known, since I still have an open
mind about that. What I suggested was that she isn’t a neutral
witness. I stick to that. Someone who worked with him for .. I think
it was 28 years .. and who was then fired by him is not a neutral
source of information. I am saying that she MAY be biased one way or
the other. I’m not saying that she is, or that anything she said is
untrue, just that we should not assume anything one way or the
other.
“Here is a woman who would know where all the bodies are buried and
Savile pisses her off big time?”
You are probably right that the way he fired her suggests he was
not afraid of anything she could tell about him, but how do you know
she would know where amy bodies were buried? I don’t know whether she
was supposed ot have been present in any of the places where abuse is
alleged to have happened. I don’t remember any of the complainants
saying she was there at the time. Again, I’m not saying there WAS any
abuse, just that her saying she didn’t see any does not add much to
the ‘evidence’ in previous reports.
- November 22, 2012 at 17:36
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@ justmeandmycat … Thanks for the discussion and it’s not my
intention to put meanings where you meant none. A couple of linky
things anyhow, just for context and future reference perhaps.
I must confess to finding one of Roger Jones’ comments in
particular quite inexplicable:
“I mean if we had given money to a
paedophile group, the sky would have fallen in on the BBC. So we were
very very careful, we were on red alert.” http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-20120302
Do you
have to be an “expert” to know not to donate Childline money to
“paedophile groups” ….
As to Ms Cope, what a difference a year makes:
When Janet Cope
asked Jimmy Savile to give her away at her wedding, it was a gesture
that symbolised the great esteem in which she held him. She had no
father to fulfil the role and Jimmy was not merely her employer but
the man her whole life had come to revolve around.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2058145/Jimmy-Savile-death-I-asked-Jimmy-away-wedding.html#ixzz2CyRlcrJD
- November 22, 2012 at 18:07
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Thank you! The BBC Wales link gives a very different impression
than what Jones said in the programme that aired last night.
November 22, 2012 at
20:32
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What was his role in the 2007 investigation?
- November 23, 2012 at 00:53
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@ What was his role in the 2007 investigation? @
I just watched the show again and I think this may be a
misinterpretation. He makes a point of saying that “for the record I
was an officer at Surry Police for 12 years”, but according to this
(from his website) he was not around by 2007.
http://www.williams-thomas.co.uk/?q=system/files/Mark%20%20Williams-Thomas%20-%20Surrey%20Magazine.pdf
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November 22, 2012 at 20:55
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Did he? What did he say exactly about his role?
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November 23, 2012 at 01:40
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Mark consulted on the first Newsnight show, as by that time he had
become somewhat of an authority on pedophiles. This is where he likely
first encountered Meirion Jones. Mark was also involved with the
Jonathan King situation – he notes that Savile had Jonathan’s
information in his address book, while interviewing Janet Cope – and
also with the Maddie McCann disappearance in Portugal.
I don’t know if he was simply a uniformed officer with the Surrey
Police, or a detective by the time he left.
- November 23, 2012 at 09:49
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This biograph seems to date from approximately 2007
http://www.menspeakers.co.uk/speakerdetail.asp?speakerid=212
“Prior
to setting up WT Associates in 2005, Mark was a police Detective
specialising in major crime. He worked on or was in charge of some of
the largest paedophile and murder investigations in the country, as
well as being was one of only 10 specialist Family Liaison officers
during his time in the police. Mark is also completing a Masters in
Criminology at the University of Central England.” Iimagine he’s
over-egging his career somewhat in that….
This is from early 2011
http://www.channel4.com/news/child-worker-checks-to-be-relaxed
and
shows him certainly convinced that government policy is “pandering to
certain individuals.”. Presumably he is very much of the “Paedophile
Conspiracy” persuasion and so Savile is really just a means to try and
make us all as paranoid as he seems to have become.
One thing I did notice on reflection was that his “Exposure Pt2″
programme seemed very much a one-man show. I even wonder if Ms Cope
was being mis-represented. She was put across as a very hostile
witness, but I noticed that she was still referring to Savile as “Jim”
even late on in the presentation. I think Miss Jones was very wise to
keep well away from this guy. I did notice he even tried to imply
something by editing his mobile phone conversation snippets to leave
her sounding as if she was being evasive about the “rides in the car”.
The other hilarious thing about that section was his filmed imagery of
himself with a mobile on speaker-phone, in the middle of a country
lane…. what was all that about? Drama-documentary cliches I
suppose.
- November 23, 2012 at
13:52
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I believe he was a uniformed police constable until the last year
or so of his police career, when he was a detective constable. So, a
lowly fledgling detective and nowhere near being ‘in charge’ of
anything but the most trivial of occurrences. Its a funny time in a
detective’s career to leave policing.
November 22, 2012 at 01:23
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I spent some brief quality time with Andrea in an NHS nuthouse in 2010 –
hadn’t seen her for over twenty years before then. She is a major league
bullshitter, albeit a bullshitter who really has met some extraordinary people
over the years. Sort of a North Wales version of Michael E Murrin of Oyston
and more recently early Savile tinfoil intervention fame. There’s a website
somewhere I found over the last few weeks of internet craziness where she was
protesting that she wasn’t really responsible for that ’94 helicopter crash at
the Mull of Kintyre. You have to laugh really.
- November 22, 2012 at 01:53
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Thanks for the post LTW. So, how did you encounter her in the 90s?
November 22, 2012 at 10:02
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she reminds me of the late Vikki de Lambrey who I knew and also made
sensational claims by meeting some big names but then pick pocketed an MI6
heavy and it all came crashing down.
- November 21, 2012 at 22:29
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Just wanted to advise that whoever the tinfoil hat person who is
maintaining the “Justice Denied” blog (see first link in Anna’s post) has now
become so terrified of the truth that he/she has begun deleting my posts and
is moderating me! A post from Ellen was also deleted. Methinks they can’t
handle the truth!
November 21, 2012 at 18:52
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Just a note to say that I’m reading this blog and following the saga. I
don’t have a comment to make because it’s all so, so … I don’t think I have a
word for it.
- November 21, 2012 at 17:44
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@ just me and my cat – thanks for the links, I have signed up for both!
November 21, 2012 at 14:24
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If, as Andrea Davison asserts, all her paperwork was taken when the Police
raided her home, how did she manage to leave the UK and get into Argentina
without a Passport?
Also, where did she get the cash for the fare and how
does she exist without cash (she cannot work in Argentina without a work
permit, for which you need a valid Passport)?
Finally, the UK has an
extradition treaty with Argentina, why has it not been used to get her
back?
I think we should be told!
November 21, 2012 at 13:17
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Andrea is clearly the Chuck Norris de notre jour:
“They are making a sequel to ’300′ starring Andrea. It’s called ’1…’ “
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November 21, 2012 at 10:37
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This is becoming a truly epic saga, Madame. I love that website to which
you refer; it is, my any measure, an absolute stonker, with no trace of any
irony anywhere. A collector’s piece, indeed…
November 21, 2012 at 07:17
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I knew something smelled about this story – it’s the Pooh . . .
- November 21, 2012 at 01:08
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I blame David Icke.
- November 21, 2012 at 01:55
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He’s a joke.
November 21, 2012 at 11:06 -
I blame The McCanns. They done everything since The Ark.
November 21, 2012 at 00:27
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I don’t actually think the PM will take the slightest bit of notice – they
have not done so for the last 20 years!
We don’t count.
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Once again I am asking for this e mail to go viral. Have you noticed that
the outcry concerning the Jimmy Savile affair has already died down? The main
stream media have done nothing to find out just how bad this evil permeates
our society, does anyone REALLY believe that man could have gotten away with
the things he did if high ranking officials had not assisted him?
The FBI sent our police force a very big list of paedophiles some time ago.
The police started an investigation, they named it operation ORE and compiled
a dossier on the people on that list. It contained a lot of VERY HIGH RANKING
PEOPLE.
Some of the police on that investigation have been in touch with us
and although they would not give us names, because they can’t prove it NOW,
they have said that MP’S, EX MP’S, MEP’S, EX PRIME MINISTERS, SERVING AND
RETIRED SENIOR POLICE, SENIOR MILITARY PERSONEL, JUDGES, BARRISTERS, SOCIAL
WORKERS, CHARITY WORKERS, CHILDREN ‘S CARE HOMES PERSONEL and many other high
ranking people were on that list.
The result of operation ORE was given to the CPS and then TONY BLAIR SEALED
THE CONTENTS FOR 100 YEARS.
WHY???????????
I think the answer to that is obvious, don’t you???? It seems the rich and
powerful can do anything they like, even to our children, because they are
protected.
So I am asking for everyone who reads this to write to 10. Downing st.
London and post it on the first of December. All you need to say is Mr.
Cameron please order the dossier named OPERATION ORE to be re-opened and the
contents made public and acted upon.
If he received millions of letters on the same day he would realise that
the British public are disgusted with these high ranking paedophile rings and
want the people arrested, charged and imprisoned. How would you feel if your
child was snatched, abused, (some as young as 4 to 6 months old) and then
either left to live with that abuse or in some cases murdered?
Please help
us stop these evil people, write to Cameron and post it on the first of
December.
Thank you.
REMEMBER A LOT OF THESE PEOPLE ARE MAKING LAWS THAT YOU AND I HAVE TO
OBEY.
- November 22, 2012 at 10:10
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the investigative journalist Duncan Campbell did a thorough investigation
of Ore and discovered serious flaws in the entire case including incidents
of massive credit card fraud via the US operators of the porn websites in
question that included many of those charged supposedly subscribing to the
same website 6 times in one day.
The FBI’s sticky fingers were all over
the dodgy claims and none of those on the US list were charged apart from
the 2 website owners.
November 22, 2012 at 15:44
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The FBI sent a list of UK IP addresses and credit cards that were used on
the Landslide web portal and payments engine. The majority of the sites
accessed through the Landslide portal were adult pornography, although there
were numerous child pornography sites – which is what .
Many people who paid for access to adult porn were also signed up for,
without their knowledge, kiddie porn sites. Many people who simply had their
credit cards ripped off were signed up to kiddie porn or adult porn sites,
without their knowledge.
The US detective and the Postal Services Inspector lied in written
evidence that the Landslide landing page had a “click here to access child
pornography” button. The UK police did not adequately consider, for some
significant time, the card fraud possibility. Many people were investigated.
Some committed suicide. Some accepted a caution based on the landing page
argument. In a number of cases, child porn was found on peoples’ computers
and they were prosecuted.
It would not surprise me that some important people (or people with
privileged access to vulnerable children) are on the list of card holders or
even, that they signed up to adult porn sites. It wouldn’t even surprise me
if some important people (or people with privileged etc, etc) were
pedophiles – active or otherwise. But you are barking.
Just as a note – I have been known to go drinking with a number of
computer forensics officers, of varying ranks. And their non-technical
bosses. And seem to get told a lot of things. It is likely that if ORE had
been shut down because of political pressure rather than, as Observor says,
post Duncan Campbell and Jim Bates’ excellent work (and despite the latter’s
subsequent difficulties), there was no realistic chance of obtaining a
conviction _unless_ there were cp images found on the suspects’ machines, I
sure in-large-amounts-of-beer-veritas would apply and I would know something
about it. Needless to say …
- November 22, 2012 at 15:45
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Which is what … the Reedys were prosecuted for in the USA. Apols.
- November 21, 2012 at 00:11
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It is Holy Writ that women do not lie about sexual assault, rape, or being
‘looked at funny’. Even suggesting the possibility in a Family Court can lose
a chap his house and kiddies.
November 21, 2012 at 00:11
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I knew you would have something to say about this Anna, I posted about this
claim last night and went to bed chortling. But I didn’t make the link with
the forged ‘letter from the police’. Very interesting.
November 20, 2012 at 22:42
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I don’t remember the sixties, even though I was there, so maybe I was at
Duncroft?
- November 22, 2012 at 10:12
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I remember the 60s but not Duncroft. Perhaps I’ve blotted it all out !.
Can I still claim ?
- November 20, 2012 at 20:59
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@ Saul – well, you can start here http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/celebrity/brian_jones/index.html
– but the contractor did it, no doubt. Just lost his temper with Brian and
drowned him while they were swimming in the pool that night.
November 20, 2012 at 21:07
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I prefer to start somewhere with proven facts. Do you have a link for one
of those?
November 20, 2012 at 21:34
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Oh, for crying out loud, don’t try to link A A Milne with the death of
Brian Jones if you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously.
FFS.
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November 20, 2012 at 22:01
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Guess you can’t take a joke. Anna made a crack about Pooh and I took it
from there. This is how conspiracy theories get started, imo. The only
link between Brian and Pooh is that Brian bought Cotchford Farm, which was
the former residence of A.A. Milne (and Christopher Robin, too). The
gardens had a few statues of the Pooh characters. Brian died at Cotchford,
having conveniently drowned – interesting as he was known to be a strong
swimmer even if impaired.
@ Saul – don’t hold your breath on ‘proven
facts.’ You can read a book called Death of a Rolling Stone, which might
lead you to the same conclusions, but the police continue to dither about
on reopening their investigation, though enough people have called for
it.
November 20, 2012 at 20:26
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She’s not a very good agent if the North Wales Police could walk in and
take all her files. I like the idea she was in Iraq or wherever and working on
the Duncroft & North Wales case file, truly a wonder woman.
She’s bound to know Daniel Craig.
- November 20, 2012 at 19:41
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Not true. I don’t think she claimed that, and she would not have been
allowed to do so. She went to the hostel, out to work, and then home. She got
pregnant with her first daughter while she was still at the hostel. Bottom
line, Bebe lied. She never saw Savile at Duncroft. He signed the visitors’
book in 1974.
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November 20, 2012 at 20:44
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Sorry, you’re correct. She didn’t make that claim, and it was a case of
me mis-reading something on a facebook page I’d come across about Duncroft
teachers. I’d somehow mistaken her for a teacher rather than a pupil.
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November 21, 2012 at 11:14
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What facebook page? Might be interesting
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November 21, 2012 at 19:08
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Sorry, just found it again and its a friends Reunited page. This is
the address: http://www.friendsreunited.com.au/Discussion/844241?take=10&page=2
or just google, ‘Teacher memory Duncroft’
- November 20, 2012 at 19:38
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I seem to recall that Bebe Roberts claimed she stayed on as an employee
- November 20, 2012 at 19:30
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It was always a small group of women – in the 60s, not more than 18, then
when the hostel opened full-time and there was some additional buildings, I’ve
been told by women who were there at the time that it was perhaps 25. Most
women were there at least 16 months before going out into the work force,
either from the hostel or, in my case, from home, returning to Duncroft at
varying intervals until the end of August 1965. There have been women (Bebe
Roberts for example) who claim to have been there for seven years, which
wouldn’t have happened. The court only had a three-year jurisdiction. I would
imagine from 1949 onwards to closing, probably three hundred or so?
- November 20, 2012 at 23:06
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@ I’ve been told by women who were there at the time that it was perhaps
25 @
Something that seems to have slipped by (but I may have just missed the
comment) is that back in 2007, the police may have interviewed the whole
year-group from Duncroft:
Three ex-residents at the home claimed to have been abused by Savile in
the 1970s, but prosecutors found there was insufficient evidence to take
action…………… A spokeswoman for Surrey Police said officers had spoken to 22
former residents of the girls’ school in 2007, and the children’s charity
Barnado’s, which was running the home at the time of the allegations. She
said: “Barnardo’s informed us they had no record of any allegations of
sexual abuse reported to staff during this period. “A decision was made not
to interview former staff unless there was evidence to suggest they
witnessed abuse or were made aware of abuse at the time. “None of the former
residents spoken to during the course of the investigation indicated staff
witnessed abuse, and stated they had not reported abuse to any staff at the
time,” she added.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20147834
So if there were 25 there, three of them made the same claims as have
just been repeated, but the other 22 said they knew nothing of any abuse.
Presumably the police accessed the Barnardo’s records at the time to trace
the women. I’m not sure if Miss Jones is aware of this as nobody consulted
her in 2007. Increasingly it seems to me she has nothing to reproach herself
about and this whole thing is one big fantasy.
November 20, 2012 at 23:49
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Good point, and this kind of links up with the Bryn Estyn case in which
several people made allegations of criminal behavior on the part of staff
who had already left or not yet arrived at the school at the time at which
the plaintiffs were at the school, sometimes to a ludicrously comical
extent. This link to a blog is very interesting as the blogger is a
well-know civil service whistle blower and blogger.
http://stevemoxon.blogspot.com/2012/11/not-first-time-bbc-newsnight-completely.html
- November 21, 2012 at 09:23
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The police spokeswoman apparently did not say that the women
interviewed (or those making the claims) had all been there at the same
time, so it may not represent a single year-group, just women who had been
there during some period in the 70s.
The Daily Telegraph article referenced in the BBC news article has an
interesting piece of information (that Savile was interviewed under
caution) that I don’t remember seeing mentioned before: “A spokesman for
Surrey Police said […]: “Jimmy Savile was interviewed under caution in
relation to these matters in 2009 and the case was referred to the Crown
Prosecution Service who advised there was insufficient evidence to
charge.””
- November 21, 2012 at 16:41
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I think there was insufficient evidence primarily because the
original complainants then refused to testify.
“In a statement, the
CPS said all four allegations were passed on by Surrey Police in 2009,
but that it decided not to pursue convictions because the alleged
victims were not willing to testify in court.”
http://www.itv.com/news/2012-10-22/bbc-in-worst-crisis-in-50-years-over-jimmy-savile-scandal/
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November 21, 2012 at 16:47
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But more than willing to testify on Newsnight and Exposed, after
Savile bought the farm. Nothing suspicious about that, of course.
- November 21, 2012 at 22:23
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@mewsical: I tried to put this as a reply to you in Part Five, but
the blog-page doesn’t seem to want to accept any more comments, so
I’ll leave it here instead. Moor.
@ staff were delegated to chaperone the girls. I would imagine that
one at least was Janet Theobald, who got on very well with the girls,
being only about ten years older than they were. @
That rang a bell. In Karin’s book account she mentions being
supervised by “Theo” to clean and polish Jimmy’s
“low-to-the-ground-sportscar “, and in the section about meeting
Savile in his dressing room before the show, she writes: “JS laughed
and joked with Miss Jones, Theo and every girl close enough to speak
to” In this account Karin confidently asserts that there were eight
girls and that all the others of the school were ‘home for the
weekend’.
I came across this reference to another old Duncroftian who was
also at that now-infamous Clunk Click recording day:
“Jeni Hooker, 54, attended the institution between 1972 and 1975
and was one of a number of pupils to appear on the Clunk Click
television show with Savile and convicted child sex offender Gary
Glitter. Ms Hooker, who now lives in Barnstaple, Devon, said: “I was
on the Clunk Click show with Gary Glitter on March 16, 1974 and, of
course, Jimmy Savile. “Generally there were about five or six of us
from Duncroft who went along each time to the show and we all went up
several times.
http://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/s/2122883_jimmy_savile_at_school_as_freely_as_he_wanted
“I
just thank God that I wasn’t pretty enough [to be abused]. I am so
grateful for that.
“I would like to know how Jimmy Savile was able
to get away with it for so long. I can remember him taking the girls
out [from Duncroft] in his car. He was allowed to drop in as freely as
he wanted.”
Clearly Jeni was not touched herself, but what is perhaps more
surprising (if the stories were true) is that she seems to have
remained unaware at the time that anyone else was being touched, which
seems unlikely from what Anna Raccon has said about such a tight-knot
social circle as Duncroft was, regardless of the era a person was
there.
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November 21, 2012 at 16:28
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Margaret Jones has noted that there were girls there who were ‘mentally
disturbed.’ She declines to name names, of course, but I think we can
figure that out ourselves!
- November 20, 2012 at 19:17
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Just out of interest, does anyone know how many girls passed through
Duncroft in the years it was open?
- November 20, 2012 at
19:50
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I like your thinking Saul – yes, this series could run and run…Winnie the
Poo will be revealed as an ex-Duncroft inmate, forcibly shaved of fur in the
underground torture chamber…and then forced to work for Syrian intelligence
as an undercover chiropodist….
- November 20, 2012 at 19:54
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I always thought that Christopher Robin was a shifty looking
character.
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November 20, 2012 at 20:02
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Well, Brian Jones was murdered by his contractor at Cotchford Farm,
once owned by A.A Milne. I think Pooh is behind all sorts of sinister
stuff myself. And no, Brian Jones is not related to Margaret Jones!
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November 20, 2012 at 20:51
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Murdered? Really, I didn’t know that. Says who?
November 21, 2012 at 09:51
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Actually its more complicated. When Brian Jones lived at 1B
Courtfield Road SW1 (since demolished, rather conveniently) he met a
C. Robin and inducted him into a Rosicrucian sect. For those who knew
1B Courtfield Road as I did will remember it had an enormous room with
a minstrels gallery arrangement which was used as a makeshift temple.
Why Brian Jones was later killed, I do not know exactly, but he knew a
lot. The use of a swimming pool was certainly ritually significant. C.
Robin later worked for NASA and was responsible for the Apollo landing
cover up, those in the know used to refer to the hangar in which the
landings were faked as ‘the hundred acre wood’. Unfortunately C.Robin
met an untimely end in Yosemite National Park, apparently the mate of
a bear he was in a casual relationship with took objection. It gets
more convoluted, because while on the vacation during which he met his
untimely end, he visited Dallas. Apparently he was convinced a ley
line ran through the grassy knoll and the Texas Book Repositry, which
would mean that on the fateful day, JFK would have unwittingly crossed
the ley line at exactly the wrong instant. Of course the Warren
Commission did not publish their findings in this regard, as it
pointed too many fingers.
- November 20, 2012 at 18:56
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Sorry – Biggs, not Briggs
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November 21, 2012 at 10:08
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Related to Ronnie Biggs then?
November 21, 2012 at 10:59
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Or Jonny Briggs from the 80′s Kiddy TeeVee programme, ‘eee, our
Andrea’s gone over to Irak looooking for weapons’, ‘never mind that our
Jonny, tidy up thar room or they’ll be no playing with our Razzle this
evening’. Err…
- November 20, 2012 at 18:54
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I found a site that claims she was called Elizabeth Briggs or
Briggs-Davison, and possibly has Tara as another christian name. Also supposed
t be daughter of a chap on a government think-tank back in the day. No idea if
true but thought I’d mention it in case it means anything to anyone.
- November 20, 2012 at 18:52
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This comment (Andrea Bishop – scroll down) is thorough. There is NO MENTION
of Duncroft, only of Savile in passing. Claiming Davison was at Duncroft
serves only to whet the appetites of the conspiracy theorists, but as this
comment is from August, the Exposed show had not been shown, and Duncroft was
of NO INTEREST at that time. https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?10589-Andrea-Davison-claimed-she-worked-for-the-security-services/page2
- November 21, 2012 at 11:31
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Re the SKELETON ARGUMENT FOR THE DEFENDANT…
This top secret agent or her partner, who had a fireams licence and Top
Secret clearance kept in an UNLOCKED filing cabinet top secret matters
relating to the Atomic Weapons Establishment.
I see in the libel case Andrea’s ‘Amended Particulars of Claim’ is a 48
page, which the judge described as ‘prolix & and repetitive. The
appendix was a mere 318 pages!
I note how as the facts get transferred from one conspiracy website to
another they change…first off the Jillings enquiy was instigated by the
local council, who chose not to print it so annoyed government set up a
public inquiry, the Waterhouse Report.
That wasn’t good enough, so on the next website it was the government who
stepped in and stopped publication of the Jillings report. When it reaches
the next website the story is modified to the government having set the
Jillings report, thus giving creedence to the false claim they stopped it
being published and give rise to the new false claim the government refused
to set up a public enquiry…and so it goes on and on.
Andrea appears to have started out as a resident of an approved school
where there was a paedophile ring, then in the next telling Jimmy Savile was
introduced and the latest version I’ve read he transported girls in his
Rolls Royce to parties in central London, which were attended by the same
people mentioned in Scallywag attending the North Wales parties, but now
with the addition of a Duke.
Dolphin Square? Smells very fishy to me.
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November 21, 2012 at 11:38
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I am feeling quite left out.
Jimmy Saville never even approached me let alone gave me a
touch-up.
Sexist bastard.
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November 22, 2012 at 12:25
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@ Rocky Raccoon
That’s just how conspiracy theories snowball. If a new conspiracy can
be retro-fitted to “support” a previous existing one, then all the
better!
November 20, 2012 at 17:25
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Thanks for yet another enthralling installment, Anna.
Will your readers have long to wait for Part 9?
- November 20, 2012 at 16:57
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What does that mean?
November 21, 2012 at 15:49
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Sorry to confuse you, we must have posted at the same time. Comment was
aimed at Anna following the Monopoly reference. Not that amusing either.
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November 21, 2012 at 16:24
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@ Wigner’s Friend – I thought that was perhaps your intention, but
wanted to make sure!
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November 20, 2012 at 16:13
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Bet you are good at Cluedo too!
- November 20, 2012 at 16:13
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I must have been sleeping the entire three years that I was at Duncroft
(1962-1965). Who ARE these women who crawl like termites from the woodwork of
their pasts and come up with these ridiculous fantasies? I never encountered
Bebe or this Andrea either, and the only male on the premises on a regular
basis was the glum and disapproving gardener/handy man Mr. Rowe. I understand
there was a French teacher of Spanish descent called Mr. Nieto who was
apparently quite glam, but as I was a bit scarce in 1965, I never encountered
him either, as I’d done all my exams and was out in the work force most of the
time. This fantasy Duncroft sounds a lot more interesting than the real deal
of course.
November 20, 2012 at 15:03
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Do not pass go, do not collect £200 , go directly to the Ecuadorian Embassy
!
November 20, 2012 at 14:56
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Ace Reporter Anna Raccoon! Hurrah.
Beyond a tangled web…
November 20, 2012 at 22:06
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The most astonishing thing about all this is that as far as I am aware,
the only credible accounts I have read regarding former residents at
Dunscroft are those of Anna and Mewsical. Clearly, they were there. All of
the others have a basic fatal flaw. They are inconsistent. They are trying
(if indeed they were actually ever there) to make their presence fit their
version of events…
Is it me or is it a sad fact that out of all these accounts, only those
persons who have a juicy and salacious tale to tell make the national
newspapers?
This Andrea Davison appears to be a case in point. Her account of events
would appear to be about as reliable as those of Messham, and look what
happened there! Astonishingly, she has her supporters who manage to put a
quite incredible spin on the salient facts of the case, suggesting quite
implausible reasons as to why she finds herself in the position she is at
and giving her account of matters unquestioning support.
There is something so wonderfully apt about her choosing the Ecuadorian
Embassy as a bolt hole. We haven’t heard much from Assange for a while.
Maybe there’s a tunnel he’s currently crawling along to get to Ecuador,
rather than taking a chance and trying to get past Plod, stood on the
pavement outside the Embassy in London waiting for him to emerge and be
nabbed. If not, perhaps he should ring her and find out how she managed to
spirit herself out of the clutches of the Rozzers.
This is what Jim/James, that late, and not much lamented visitor to this
forum was missing… It IS all important. It’s all linked. This is not a small
story, but a large one, that impacts in odd ways with other current/topical
stories.
It’s all a big conspiracy, I tell ye!
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November 21, 2012 at 01:17
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It’s very mean of you all – didn’t you read this about the poor woman
who was dropped behind Enemy Lines (with the SAS) during the Iraq Wat
?:
” During these missions her Thyroid was damaged by coming into contact
with the Chemical and Biological weapons deployed on the Iraqi front
lines. Damage to the Thyroid effects every cell in the Body and is a
creeping disease which, without medication, slowly debilitates and then
kills.”
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November 21, 2012 at 02:15
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ROTFLMFAO to the nth degree.
- November 21, 2012 at
08:21
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I did enjoy that snippet. Most women in Andrea’s age group, myself
included, are either taking hormone replacement therapy (HRT) or some
form of thyroid performance boosting medication – on account of us being
post-menopausal old bags (myself included!) but not Andrea, goodness me
no, nothing so mundane – Andrea’s thyroid condition stems from something
far more exotic…..!
Parachuted in behind enemy lines – wow!
- November 21, 2012 at
11:43
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In her forties, don’t forget.
Our two cats have thyroid problems, which showed themselves by the
cats suddenly yowling, this has been stopped with Felimole, but one of
the cats now sticks its bottom out of the litter tray when having a
pooh.
- November 21, 2012 at 11:56
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Yeah, I used to yowl – mostly at the moon, but the tablets
stopped all that……..!!!
- November 21, 2012 at
12:35
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Excuse the boringly factual reply, but your cats are
hyperthyroid (overactive), like our cat, whereas Andrea seems to
claim she is hypothyroid (underactive) thyroid like me. As Anna
said, it is very common in women of our age. If you want advice on
dealing with hyperthyroid cats, I strongly recommend the feline
thyroid support groups on Yahoo. If you want advice on dealing
with hypothyroid women, I don’t have any.
November 21, 2012 at
13:11
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Damn you Anna; now I’ve got bark at the moon by Ozzy running
through my head
- November 22, 2012 at
19:19
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http://www.thefreelibrary.com/THE+REAL+JIMMY+SAVILE%3B+BY+THE+WOMAN+WHO+KNEW+HIM+BEST.-a0271687611
In this link Ms Cope, speaking shortly after the death,
states that they parted company in 1999 when he had to cut the
running costs of his charity work. Makes sense, as he quietened
down a lot in his last decade. And if they had fallen out she
wouldn’t have all his paperwork in her garage.
- November 23, 2012 at 01:46
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Absolutely concur regarding your observation that she
wouldn’t have maintained the archive if there was real falling
out. He simply made an executive decision. Ms. Cope never
explained what his thinking was for letting her go, and I’ll
bet dollars to donuts that she was well taken care of. She
remains loyal and says she saw nothing. Mebbe, mebbe not.
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November 21, 2012 at 11:17
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Thank you but I was definitely there as was Wendi!
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November 21, 2012 at 16:24
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@ Rocky – my 17 year old cat has thyroid probs too and yowls. He’s on
Tapazole. If the Felimole has stopped the yowling, I sure hope I can
find it here in the USof A.
- November 21, 2012 at 16:50
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Tapazole and Felimazole (which I think is the drug Rocky means) are
both just brand names for the same drug, methimazole. It and
carbimazole (which is converted to methimazole in the body) are the
only commonly used veterinary drugs for hyperthyroidism. If your cat
is still yowling, it is possible he is not adequately controlled, or
it may be due to other issues (like mild senility). Rather than get
too off-topic here, I suggest you join one of the yahoo feline thyroid
groups to get advice. Too many vets are lamentably ignorant about
dealing with feline hyper- or hypothyroid.
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/Feline_Thyroid_Support/
(declariation of interest – I’m a moderator there)
http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/feline-hyperT/
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November 21, 2012 at 20:18
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If I accidentally left out reference to either yourself or Wendi then
I apologise… Perhaps I should have said that: ‘… the only credible
accounts I have read regarding former residents at Dunscroft are those
of regular contributors to this forum’.
November 22, 2012 at 05:22
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Ta muchly – did hurt a tad to be so dismissed but I’ve survived
worse!
November
20, 2012 at 14:52
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Pumping her name in Google is certainly enlightening: Ex-spy, former Iraqi
weapons inspector, friend on body-in-the-bag spy Gareth Williams… I’m guessing
that she isn’t the same Andrea Davison as the one who is a Labour councillor
in Scunthorpe though.
November
20, 2012 at 18:47
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Well, clearly not, since she seems to be GOOD at lying!
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November 20, 2012 at 14:16
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Interesting article. I spent more than 30 years working with people with
mental health problems, criminals in prisons, young people in treatment
programs for drug and behavior problems, and also with sex offenders including
both rapists and pedophiles.
What you are seeing with this woman, in my opinion, regardless of whether
it is true that she attended Duncroft or not is a woman who is a typical
member of the criminal or offending community who is very streetwise in terms
of pushing buttons to manipulate people.
There was a hit song by a band called The Strawbs back in the 70′s with a
chorus that went like this:
Oh you don’t get me I’m part of the union
You don’t get me I’m part of
the union
You don’t get me I’m part of the union
Till the day I die,
till the day I die.
The modified version of today makes the claim that since the offender was
sexually abused in childhood, he or she has a get-out-of-jail-free-card for
all other illegal behavior later in life, or at the very least a claim for
extra sympathy from liberal sympathizers . Even pedophiles use it, since they
invariably claim that THEY were sexually abused in childhood also, (and no
doubt their parents and grandparents before them), making them members of the
union too. However these kind of allegations invariably fall down when they
come to court or legal proceedings, because the plaintiffs invariably weave a
web of contradictory stories.
This is why I have difficulty with the stories of people like Steve Messham
of Newsnight fame. Sure, I have no difficulty believing that he was a teenage
rent boy, or even that he may have raped by male staff at the Bryn Estyn care
home, but he has spent another 20 or 30 years making vague allegations of
different kinds in front of different tribunals many of which have
subsequently contradicted each other in all kinds of ways. Whenever he is
caught out in contradictions which he is not smart enough to avoid, he throws
a hissy fit, or claims to be suffering from some kind of post traumatic stress
syndrome related to the sexual abuse.
From the Daily Mail:
Messham has previously been reluctant to address the contradictions in his
stories, as proved by the 1994 libel trial, brought by a former senior police
officer he falsely accused of abuse – claims that were reported by Private
Eye, The Observer and The Independent on Sunday.
It was put to him in court that just days before he began making claims to
reporters, he had approached police to complain he was being harassed by a
journalist, who was trying to put words in his mouth.
In a signed statement, he said: ‘At no time did [the officer] ever sexually
abuse me,’ adding that a journalist ‘wanted me to say things that were not the
truth’.
It also emerged at the trial that before he would give evidence to support
the publications, he had insisted that Private Eye pay him £60,000 on the
grounds it had previously published an article which had damaged him.
Surprisingly, the magazine did agree to pay him £4,500.
Moreover, Messham initially claimed he was indecently assaulted by the
officer, but later changed this into a far more serious allegation. When all
this was put to him, Messham took an overdose of tranquilisers in court and
collapsed in the witness box.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2231212/Steven-Messham-Astonishing-story-BBC-DIDNT-tell-troubled-star-witness.html#ixzz2ClvuHKdz
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Now Messham has repeated the stunt on Newsnight 18 years later and again
got clean away by telling the Newsnight editorial staff one thing and then
saying something quite different when challenged.
November 20, 2012 at 13:54
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This delusional person’s fantasies could be amusing, were it not for the
grief or even just irritation they can cause others – not to mention the
mentally/emotionally incomplete who will become her acolytes. I’m sure there
will be no shortage of those; and – more frighteningly, those who will push
her story further, for their own nefarious ends…
- November
20, 2012 at 18:46
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And not all of them will be state agents, either!
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November 21, 2012 at 01:10
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they could be Twitterers though.
November 20, 2012 at 13:48
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Well, well, Ms Racoon. This series in , goodness knows how many episodes,
is equal in suspense to “Spiral” French serial, or ” The killing” a Skando
serial.
It is just so readable. Thank you very much for truth & fun,
and now some fantasy woven in.
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