Guido Fawkes on the Death Penalty
Following the Coalition’s launch of an overhauled E-Petitions facility, with the potential of petitions with 100,000 signatures being debated in the House of Commons.
Guido Fawkes has been promoting a campaign to Restore the Death Penalty.
I have to admire Guido’s murdering of Paul Flynn MP in debate about the Death Penalty on Channel 4 News this evening; a textbook example of how to get your points across and leave your opponent looking like the public’s perceived image of Michael Foot.
But I think Guido is on a sticky wicket on this one if the public kick the tyres, rather than just jump on the bandwagon – purely on practical grounds.
There are far simpler ways to reduce the murder rate than pfaffing about with the death penalty, the years of Appeals and dozens of lawyers involved, the specialist prisons to retain the accused for years, and all the rest.
Guido has made great play of the statement that the murder rate has doubled since the 1960s.
For example, we can continue doing exactly what we are doing now, which is cutting the murder rate at quite a clip already.
The murder rate in the UK has fallen substantially – by a quarter or more – in recent years without any help whatsover from hanging. In 2000 there were 1.7 murders per 100,000 people; in 2007, 2008 and 2009, this figure was 1.28.
Perhaps more interesting is that the murder rate in Scotland is much higher than in England and Wales. Here are the comparative figures from 2002 to 2008.
Source: Eurostat 58/2010. Crime and Justice in Focus.
If we want to lower the murder rate of the ‘UK’, one of the best technical steps we could take would be to give Scotland its independence, as the Scottish murder rate is nearly double that of England and Wales.
Wee ‘Eck would probably still tell us that there are more murders in Scotland because of the Evilz English sneaking over the border, mind.
Perhaps Guido should be campaigning for that, instead.
- August 6, 2011 at 14:11
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3000 of them on Svalbard alone. I thought the Bugger’s were dying out!
Not so cuddly now are they?
- August 6, 2011 at 12:18
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Put Polar Bears on the list the murdering basta*ds.
Hanging is too good for them!
- August 6, 2011 at 13:22
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It would be a fairly impressive gallows to handle an adult polar bear (we
couldn’t hang them until mature, of course – ursine rights). The chaplain
would have to borrow some kit off the nearest American football team,
too.
- August 6, 2011 at 13:22
- August 6, 2011 at 11:16
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The chance that I or my family might be murdered, is minute.
It really
doesn’t justify giving the state the right to execute convicts.
(My chance of being killed in a road accident is far greater, but I don’t
support further draconian measures to reduce that, either.)
It’s all about blood-lust and righteous anger. Very unattractive, though
understandable.
- August 5, 2011 at 12:46
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Perhaps Guido’s intention is, at least partly, to conspicuously test the
effectiveness of the new e-petitions as a means of getting people power into
Parliament.
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August 5, 2011 at 13:06
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- August 5, 2011 at 12:19
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This study suggests, despite many claims by the “antis” to the contrary,
that it is an effective deterrent:
As a proto-Libertarian, I do not believe the state should be involved in
killing anyone, in my name or on my behalf (public safety), but it does seem
that most people hold the opposite view.
- August 5, 2011 at 12:14
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There are some people who, it seems, have such brutalised psyches that
life, death, mangling other people, is almost irrelevant. It seems that
possibly the death penalty is all that begins to make sense to them in terms
of restraining their behaviour.
However, I fear the baying mob even more than such a person. The
non-responsible baying blood lust that slices through the collective psyche as
it smashes its way through those it has convinced itself that it is free to
hate, and maim, and use for its own release.
There are no easy answers to the human condition but I think Shakespeare
wrote an aspect of it quite well:
The quality of mercy is not strain’d,
It droppeth as the gentle rain
from heaven
Upon the place beneath: it is twice blest;
It blesseth him
that gives and him that takes:
‘Tis mightiest in the mightiest: it
becomes
The throned monarch better than his crown;
His sceptre shows the
force of temporal power,
The attribute to awe and majesty,
Wherein doth
sit the dread and fear of kings;
But mercy is above this sceptred
sway;
It is enthroned in the hearts of kings,
It is an attribute to God
himself;
And earthly power doth then show likest God’s
When mercy
seasons justice. Therefore, Jew,
Though justice be thy plea, consider
this,
That, in the course of justice, none of us
Should see salvation:
we do pray for mercy;
And that same prayer doth teach us all to
render
The deeds of mercy. I have spoke thus much
To mitigate the
justice of thy plea;
Which if thou follow, this strict court of
Venice
Must needs give sentence ‘gainst the merchant there.
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August 5, 2011 at 12:09
- August 5, 2011 at 11:59
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Hanging should be reserved for politicians who have publicly and massively
failed in their duty to the inhabitants of these islands. Half a dozen
candidates (Brown, Blair,some expenses scamsters) who have lied, cheated,
failed to honour “cast-iron” promises, would concentrate the minds of
surviving politicians wonderfully.
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August 5, 2011 at 11:50
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Given Guido holds an Irish passport, why does he give a flying fuck…
Something to keep him in the news during the silly season perchance?
- August 5, 2011 at 23:08
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You have to remember Guido is anti-politician. Even if he gets the
100,000 signatures, he knows darn well that the death penalty won’t come
back. However, when MPs ignore the petition, it will underline again the way
they’ve ignored the majority view on this for years, and emphasise the more
general disconnect between politicians and the public ie it will just add to
the cynicism and dissatisfaction felt towards our elected
representatives.
- August 5, 2011 at 23:08
- August 5, 2011 at 11:26
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I don’t know whether the death penalty is right or wrong, but I find myself
agreeing with Paul Flynn MP on this one. You elect a politician who broadly
represents your viewpoint, but on certain issues they will differ.
“The first responsibility [of an MP] must be to those whom he represents,
to serve them faithfully according to his own beliefs and to speak his mind
even if many of his constituents do not agree, knowing that the voters can
defeat him at the next election if he does not listen to their views.”
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Tony Benn
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August 5, 2011 at 11:16
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I rather agree. Years ago, the great Professor Jolowicz (Trinity,
Cambridge) remarked, in a seminar on The Death Penalty, (in response to a
student who made the breathless remark that ‘many policemen I’ve spoken to
think it’s a good thing…’) That:
“For me to have a have a conversation with a policeman on this subject
would be akin to a hydrostatistician talking to a plumber…”
He did not feel the need to describe who was which. I was not present, but
my brother (remarkably) was.
Lovely and Grand.
- August 5, 2011 at 11:04
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Guido should leave well alone. Just report the political news.
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