Libertarian Libertinage

Since my original post on the subject of Andrew Withers and his morally dissolute treatment of those, myself included, who had held out a hand of friendship to him, I have been careful not to add further comment to the forest fire that subsequently raged throughout the Libertarian Party.
I had no inkling when writing my post that it would pose more questions than would ever be answered, and certainly no inkling that it would ultimately result in the rigor mortis, if not actual death, of the Libertarian Party.
I have watched with great sadness the betrayal felt by the many good people who had given freely of their time and money in the hope that a movement was being established which would counter the ever increasing state control which exists in Britain today.
It would appear, from everything that I have read, that Withers would prefer to see the death of the Libertarian Party than answer to the many members who wished to know where the tens of thousands of pounds that they had sent him, had actually gone.
The inference drawn by most rational people, in the absence of any evidence to the contrary, is that the money had been used for the benefit of Withers, not the Libertarian movement.
I am today breaking my silence to draw attention to a blog post which has truly shocked me. I would ask that you re-tweet the post and alert as many people as possible to the allegations contained therein.
I cannot say whether the allegations are true or not â I am fresh out of hospital and donât intend to spend any more time on the computer than I have to â but if it is true that Withers is once again advertising for people to send him money in the belief that they are supporting Libertarian principles under the circumstances outlined in that blog post â via an accommodation address, without so far having answered to the original members of the Libertarian Party as to the whereabouts of the many thousands of pounds they have already given him, then it is outrageous.
I would strongly advise anyone against giving their credit card details, or sending money to this accommodation address until they have fully satisfied themselves as to the credentials of the people behind the web site and the use to which the money is to be put.
Do please read this post and make your own investigations before parting with any cash. The âAndrew P Withers Benevolent Societyâ has far too many members as it is.
I understand that Avon and Somerset Police have issued a crime reference number to handle enquiries from people who may have reason to believe that money they have sent to the Libertarian Party has been misused â you may find it useful.
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http://outspokenrabbit.
Updated to add: Further information http://libertarianhome.co.uk/2011/07/withers-goes-it-alone/
July 22, 2011 at 21:45
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I detect psychopathalogical comments consistent with con men whose
preoccupations are their own egos and other peoplesâ money.
But certainly
nothing to do with exploring reality; the truth.
Straw men and red
herrings, indeed.
Con man kedgeree.
July 23, 2011 at 23:27
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âI detect psychopathalogical comments consistent with con men whose
preoccupations are their own egos and other peoplesâ money.
But certainly
nothing to do with exploring reality; the truth.
Straw men and red
herrings, indeed.
Con man kedgeree.â
Youâre not a very good detective, are you? Or cook.
You sound like a
poor manâs Matthew Parris. He thinks heâs a psychiatrist, too. The berk.
July 22, 2011 at 17:18
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Old Slaughter: âGangster capitalismâ as you put it is an inevitable
consequence of the fairy tale Friedman managed to sell to the Josephs thus the
Thatchers of his day.
Laissez-faire for the âindividual with a voteâ is
nearer the mark. It is ego-driven, self-deluding and only ever ends in misery.
Again, again, again â¦
Interestingly, it is always the majority who never
did and never will vote for it who suffer most on its inevitable collapse. And
the âmiddle classâ, whose members in the main are just as culpable as a
grouping for the current mess, get all the sympathy.
Now they incessantly
whine away with a totally unearned sense of entitlement to this and that,
blaming everything and anybody but themselves for the obvious to all others
contribution they made to their own downfall; worse, the misery it invoked on
the still larger innocent majority.
The thing is, an infant could have
predicted todayâs economic privations way back in the early 1980s when
monetarist ideology was foisted upon us.
So âreal capitalismâ is an
oxymoron. When successive governments here, mostly Tory, embraced monetarist
ideology it evolved in the only way it could: less and less regulation of it
and a concentration of influence and power over the economy in the hands of
certain individuals and financial institutions.
Thus leverage over our
politicians by the media tycoons whose âinterestsâ were/are best served in
perpetuating the situation. As Iâve said before â I didnât vote for the latter
of those. Did you?
And please, no economic theorising in return on how this
or that could have worked better, or might have rectified things at junctures
along the way. The Tories agreed with New Labourâs leave-it-alone naivety,
thinking they were simply doing the business on behalf of their own economic
tenets. When in opposition and all seemed set fair they claimed original
ownership of it often enough, indeed they crowed about it.
The point is,
no-rules activity in the hands of human beings can lead only to chaos. A sense
of responsibility beyond the immediate goes out of the window. That isnât
decent in any sense of being English and British that I know of.
Livewire: Donât be silly. Iâm not a student (canât folk like you do better
than assume anyone who may just disagree with your world view must be: a
student and/or a Communist?).
No doubt you believe thereâs a worldwide
Marxist conspiracy going on right under your bed.
Pillock.
July 22, 2011 at 17:35
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Strawman
July 22, 2011 at 18:11
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âStrawmanâ
Wow! How hurtful is that, flunkey?
July 22, 2011 at 18:23
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âFlunkeyâ Are you reduced to name calling? You sad little man.
It wasnât an attempt to be hurtful, it was merely highlighting the
stupidity of your comment. If I thought it worthy of actually pulling
apart in detail I would have elaborated.
Perhaps you should keep the hurling of insults to yourself or go to a
site not normally associated with polite adults.
Your conduct âisnât decent in any sense of being English and British
that I know of.â
July 23, 2011 at 23:14
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âFlunkeyâ Are you reduced to name calling? You sad little man.â
Give us all a break. Your attempt above to justify whatâs directly
below is a perfect example of individual sadness.
It is that air of
superiority practised online by certain folk who will never see what
others see: an evident over-compensation for feelings of inferiority
in real life.
âIt wasnât an attempt to be hurtful, it was merely highlighting the
stupidity of your comment. If I thought it worthy of actually pulling
apart in detail I would have elaborated.â
Who said it was âhurtfulâ? Only you. Why? And please, donât bore me
with childish threats of pulling anything apart. In detail or
otherwise.
Youâd only drive up and down that same old dead-end
street where all so-called experts on monetarist economics shunt into
each other.
Banal justifications in monotone on how an ideology
works simply because it can only ever justify itself; as if it is some
kind of god who cannot be denied.
Narrow and almost robotic
arguments. And Iâve heard them all before.
âPerhaps you should keep the hurling of insults to yourself or go
to a site not normally associated with polite adults.
Your conduct
âisnât decent in any sense of being English and British that I know
of.ââ
You do make me chuckle with this. While itâs true most Brits have a
decent grasp of the concept of irony, a small number do
not.
Self-parody can be amusing. Though it is always a sad
character trait of those who are unaware they are sending themselves
up in the first place.
You have my empathy. Because Iâm decent. In
the English and British sense.
July 22, 2011 at 18:09
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No room for the reds, too many gold ingots and Krugerands stored
there.
Youâre relatively polite so weâll be cordial, have fun converting
people here to your point of view.
July 22, 2011 at 18:18
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Oh, how nice, a bit oâ condescenscion. Typical.
Liked the gold and
Krugerands thing, mind. Are you on the run?
July 22, 2011 at 12:08
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The main thing that Andrew Withers ever had to do was to open the LPUK
expenditure accounts to all concerned LPUK members.
There would seem no
reason not to do so other than a desire not to reveal them.
From what I
understand these accounts are still secret.
Any other issues are red
herrings.
July 22, 2011 at 10:05
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OK Pete, who are the four members? Where do you get this detailed inside
knowledge that has been denied to LPUK members?
We know that the crime reported against Withers is misappropriation of
funds. What crimes are you suggesting might have been committed by Ken
Ferguson?
When John Watson resigned as treasurer, that position reverted to Withers
as the leader. If Withers is no longer a signatory to LPUK accounts who has he
given the signature rights to? By what authority has Withers transferred
control of the accounts when he has not had any such decision approved by the
National Coordinating Committee of the LPUK?
And finally Pete, is your other name Withers?
July 22, 2011 at 06:31
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What a surprise Ferguson spends three years as âPagarâ undermining the
lpuk. Wrecks the party website through incompetence then proceeds over to
Auntie Anna who has no idea if the allegations are true but can be guaranteed
to repeat them regardless.
There is more than one crime number in process relating to our Mr Ferguson
and those files are growing as the weeks pass.
Withers is not a signatory on any lpuk account. The telephone number is the
same used since January. The paypal account is the same used for the last four
years and is under the contol of four members.
Withers is not the only person the coterie of former civil servants with
obscene payoffs for alleged stress have been attacking for months, never
letting facts get in the way of a good smear and lies.
July 22, 2011 at 03:31
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What? Yet another getting on board that pointless bandwagon of freedom of
the individual? Whatâs up, feeling left out were you?
Itâs a movement, in
its multitude of guises, birthed by, run by and popped-up-on-the-telly by,
weirdos, racists, bigmouths and all-round bigots (e.g., Theresa Gormless and
that McWhirter bloke in their Freedom Org. thang), who have no idea what the
logical end is to their spaced out notion of what individual freedom
represents. Fookinâ chaos!
This great country, Britain, is slowly evolving
into the 51st state. Laissez-faire has just failed again after monetarism fell
flat on its face. Both these extreme forms of capitalism have found their way
back here from across the pond; from Friedman and his daft free lunch dogma to
Stelzer and his cosmic wandering on this ânâ that, ainât you just had enough
of their âfreedomâ?
Itâs about time we got back to some collective
responsibility to neuter the grotesquely disproportionate power this madness
gifted to the hands of a few greedy and hubristic bankers, media tycoons, and
button-pressing yobbo-yuppies in the City. I never voted for any of them â did
you?
Shame on you for even positing the idea the Government here interferes
in our lives too much. The endgame to libertarianism is that of an elite few
being much more âindividualâ than the majority thus âfreeâ to do what they
like to the same.
Have none of you ever read any of the musings of that
arch anti-democrat, Edward Bernays? Read some, change things for the better,
cut out all this daft tilting at the windmills of the worst sort of idealism,
then get on with your lives.
July 22,
2011 at 05:26
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Iâm interested in your opinions, and I would like to receive one of your
pamphletsâ¦
/sarc
July 22, 2011 at 17:28
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Iâm interested in your opinions, and I would like to receive one of
your pamphletsâ¦
/sarc
Ainât you just a witty gal.
July 22, 2011 at 17:32
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Yes
July 22, 2011 at 09:49
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You show me some real capitalism then we can see how well you have
deconstructed it. This gangster capitalism around at the moment is a million
miles from Friedman.
July 22, 2011 at 10:15
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Sung to the tune of Tannenbaum (The Red Flag)
The peopleâs Eck comes on and rants
Suspect heâs soiled his
underpants
Itâs student hols this year again!
They whinge and whine and cause us
pain
Thoâ poets laugh and Julias sneer
Soap dodgers come back every
year
July 21, 2011 at 20:21
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The majority of the regional blogs now redirect to the Paypal page.
http://www.blogger.com/profile/17499979740864497256
July 21, 2011 at 19:40
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Iâd be grateful if I could flag up something by Ken Ferguson on the same
theme â many thanks to him for writing this post, and it may have been run
here itself in the absence of this post:-
http://outspokenrabbit.blogspot.com/2011/07/coongate-cover-up.html
July 21, 2011 at 17:43
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Iâm glad to here you are recovering, Anna. Withers will not be getting my
money. But I cannot decide if he is deluded or crooked â perhaps both?
July 21, 2011 at 16:28
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Glad you are out of hospital. Have good, fast and enjoyable
convalescence.
I thought I had become un-shockable long ago, but the antics of Withers and
his mates take your breath away.
This new website asking for money contains no information, it doesnât say
who will be getting the money, or what it will be used for.
Although this website passes itself off as the LPUK, including quoting its
registration number with the Electoral Commission, the Party has not
authorised any move from the old lpuk.org domain nor has it approved a change
of Party address to the accommodation address that they are using.
The site doesnât give the names of any people who might be responsible for
it, but as Withers is still controlling Party accounts and records I can only
assume that it is him.
Take note of the warnings everybody. We know that all the money given to
the LPUK has gone and Andrew Withers has failed to account for what he did
with it. Donât let him get his hands on any more of your money. If you have
paid a subscription or made a donation to the LPUK and you are concerned that
your money may have been misappropriated, the right course of action for you
is to add your complaint to those already registered with Avon & Somerset
Police.
July 21, 2011 at 15:39
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To mount this sort of stunt, Withers must have boundless faith in the
idiocy of human beings.
Thank you for providing the crime number. Having cancelled the standing
orders whereby I was sending money to LPUK on a monthly basis almost from the
day I joined it, I rather think I am going to make use of it.
July 21, 2011 at 14:56
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Welcome back Anna, Iâll need to alter my pc browser settings to use the
link, but your topic summarises it anyway. Get well soon.
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