And before we had Global Warming?

by Anna Raccoon on February 11, 2014

And before we had Global warming we had North Ormsby in 1903.

Remember When

 

 

 

 

 

Then we had Coggleshall in 1912

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And Norwich in 1912.

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And  again….

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And Canvey Island in 1953
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And Haslingden in 1964
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Croydon in 1981

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Long before Global Warming was a twinkle in anyone’s eye, and rivers were being dredged an’ everything.

What caused those floods then?

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Eyes Wide Shut February 11, 2014 at 2:44 pm

The Old Gods.

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Ho Hum February 11, 2014 at 2:55 pm

I’m sure that GW proponents will tell you that those are just more evidence of the fraud perpetrated under the heading ‘recovered memories’.

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me February 11, 2014 at 2:56 pm

Global warming is so powerful its effects can travel in time.

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Michael J. McFadden February 11, 2014 at 2:57 pm

I’ve lost track of where it is at the moment, but someone put together a WONDERFUL collage of news stories / headlines stretching back over the last fifty to a hundred years . The wonderful part of it was the way they alternately kept predicting ice ages and global warming!

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MJM
P.S. Floods are caused by smokers. You’ll note that all those floods you showed occurred AFTER the introduction of the Evil Cigarette to the British Isles! Now some might point to Noah and claim that his flood had nothing to do with smoking, but, when you ask them to provide PROOF that he didn’t smoke, they’re totally unable to!

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The Blocked Dwarf February 11, 2014 at 8:32 pm

Whether Noah smoked or not is unknown but he obviously ‘saved’ the tobacco plant, along with all the other seeds of the Earth,from the flood and therefore is guilty as charged M’ Ludd Arnott. Anyways he was not only a DRINKER of WINE but a PAEDO too boot exposing himself to innocent CHEEELDREN!

Genesis 9: 21He drank of the wine and became drunk, and uncovered himself inside his tent. 22Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.…

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ivan February 11, 2014 at 2:59 pm

Anna, you should know that they changed it to Climate Change because the only thing warming were the computers that ran the models that generated heat out of nothing contrary to all scientific principles.

The floods in Norfolk at the turn of the 20th century were, according to my great grandfather that saw them, a mixture of bad weather and some bad decisions made by the local authorities (in the case of Ormsby the local broad had been allowed to fill with more reed than normal and Norwich was partly caused by the Yare being partly blocked further dowm).

The floods we see today are caused by bad weather and some very bad decisions made by incompetent people.

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Michael J. McFadden February 11, 2014 at 3:10 pm

Wasn’t there a prize quote from one of the MPs a few years ago where he/she said that parents should take their children outside to see the snow because it might be the last one in their lifetimes?

:?
MJM

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VftS February 11, 2014 at 6:04 pm

That would be Dr David Viner of the University of Easy Access, back in 2000
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/snowfalls-are-now-just-a-thing-of-the-past-724017.html
“Children just aren’t going to know what snow is,”

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Michael J. McFadden February 11, 2014 at 6:20 pm

Thank you VftS!

Are you that good with coming up with such arcane research information ALL the time? LOL!

:>
MJM

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Ian B February 11, 2014 at 9:37 pm

This is always my favourite line in that article-

“Via the internet, they might wonder at polar scenes – or eventually “feel” virtual cold.”

That’s right, we’ll have computery “virtual” cold. Rather than, say, a refrigerator in the kitchen.

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Cascadian February 12, 2014 at 12:55 am

Ah the UEA climate research and science fiction unit, the only place that can find warming in the last 17 Years, when the consensus is that there has been none.

Camoron’s source no doubt of warmist propaganda. http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/

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delcatto February 12, 2014 at 11:18 am

Thank you. I’ve saved that page for future use.

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right-writes February 12, 2014 at 11:27 am

ivan wrote: “…they changed it to Climate Change…”

I saw a neat twist on the meme last week…

“climate gradient”.

delish.

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Eyes Wide Shut February 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm

Are you sure it wasn’t Teh Gayz? I thought they caused fire, floods, tornadoes etc? :) or is that “Only In America”?

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Moor Larkin February 11, 2014 at 3:16 pm

Denis Howell

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Eyes Wide Shut February 11, 2014 at 3:28 pm

Denis Howell caused the floods? :)

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Moor Larkin February 11, 2014 at 3:40 pm

I knew I was right

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Mudplugger February 11, 2014 at 8:19 pm

I seem to recall that Denis Howell’s specialism was ending drought – back in ’76 when he was appointed Minister for the Drought, it suddenly started raining. Amazing man – climate change knew it had met its master when Denis came along.
He wasn’t called Denis H2Owell for nothing.

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right-writes February 12, 2014 at 11:28 am

I remember meeting him at the time that he was promoted to minister for water as well as minister for spurt.

He had very clammy hands.

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Mudplugger February 12, 2014 at 2:53 pm

I suppose that’s what you’d expect from the ‘minister for spurt’ – obviously a little careless with his ‘spurt’, hence the clammy hands. Could be an ideal Cabinet post for Boris, some would say.

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Moor Larkin February 12, 2014 at 3:20 pm

Change that to clumsy hands and you could be in line for some compo

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Duncan Disorderly February 11, 2014 at 3:29 pm

Has any politician been guilty of saying these floods are because of global warming? I recall a few years ago, politicians were guilty of saying all odd weather (hot, cold, wet or dry) was because of global warming, but now they don’t so much.

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Moor Larkin February 11, 2014 at 3:38 pm
RooBeeDoo February 11, 2014 at 5:14 pm
Joe Public February 11, 2014 at 5:10 pm

His Holiness the Prime Minister, voiced his suspicions ……………..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25656426

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Ian B February 11, 2014 at 9:40 pm

He is, by the way, a puffin, who wears clever but inadequate prosthetics to present an electable “human” appearance.

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John Galt February 11, 2014 at 3:42 pm

It’s just a wild stab in the dark, but I’d guess that the main cause of all these historical floods was “Water”.

Controversial, I know, but that’s just the way I roll.

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Eyes Wide Shut February 11, 2014 at 3:53 pm

Can we have a poll?

Who caused the floods?

(a) Scientists
(b) Denis Howell
(c) The EU
(d) Paedophiles
(e) Other … (show your work!)

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Ian B February 11, 2014 at 9:41 pm

Is it answer (d)? I think it’s answer (d) isn’t it? Yes?

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Jonathan Mason February 11, 2014 at 9:50 pm

e) The weather.

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Moley February 11, 2014 at 3:59 pm

(f) The Pope

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themoonisaballoon February 11, 2014 at 6:17 pm

f(i) or f(ii)? You do know, Moley, that we have two Popes. It’s not as uncommon as you’d think but, at the moment, one is a Nazi and the other is an Argie. I have not yet worked out which one of the buggers is to blame for the floods and so I would like to register half a vote each.

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Uncle Gus February 11, 2014 at 7:14 pm

What, has Papa Ratzi moved to Avignon and set up his own court? I thought the whole point was he wanted to spend more time with his family…

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right-writes February 12, 2014 at 11:32 am

two popes…

Frankie (commie)

Benny (nazi)

Any chance of a third…

Sicola (corporatism)?

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Cascadian February 11, 2014 at 4:32 pm

The earlier floods seem be caused by men and boys wearing flat caps or perhaps horse flatulence, the later floods are a mystery as no flat caps or horses are apparent.

Who do I apply to for a government grant to test that theory, would it be DEFRA or COBRA or UEA or the Met Office (Self described as -Met Office weather and climate change forecasts for the UK and worldwide. World leading weather services for the public, business, and government.) Got that! world leading climate change forecasts-makes you proud , eh?

They seem to think that -“More research is urgently needed to deliver robust detection of changes in storminess and daily/hourly rain rates and this is an area of active research in the Met Office. The attribution of these changes to anthropogenic global warming requires climate models of sufficient resolution to capture storms and their associated rainfall. Such models are now becoming available and should be deployed as soon as possible to provide a solid evidence base for future investments in flood and coastal defences.” Your tax money at work!

Perhaps if I appear at Ed Millibands office with a flat cap and miners boots he could assist me with my grant application.

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right-writes February 12, 2014 at 11:34 am

They need bigger computers…. Now!

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Wigner's Friend February 11, 2014 at 4:39 pm

I don’t suppose letting women have the vote could have anything to do with it! The timing is about right. Just think what will happen if they allow women bishops.

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Anna Raccoon February 11, 2014 at 4:41 pm

And some of them statistically are bound to be gay….

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Eyes Wide Shut February 11, 2014 at 4:50 pm

Oh, noes, what if its Cthulhu, stirring in the watery depths?

“A monster of vaguely anthropoid outline, but with an octopus-like head whose face was a mass of feelers, a scaly, rubbery-looking body, prodigious claws on hind and fore feet, and long, narrow wings behind.”

On the other hand, that could also be ….. nah, not going there ;)

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Jeremy Poynton February 11, 2014 at 5:15 pm

Not to mention the fact that Met Office (yes, that one) records show that precipitation in the winter of 1929 was significantly worse than what we are experiencing. This is the same Met Office that forecast a drier than usual winter. It’s also the same Met Office that has forecast global temps to be higher than they were for 13 of the last 14 years.

Bonuses all round!

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2014/02/11/did-they-have-global-warming-in-1929-as-well-julia/

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Furor Teutonicus February 11, 2014 at 5:32 pm

XX What caused those floods then? XX

Water!

Do I win a prize?

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Michael J. McFadden February 11, 2014 at 5:53 pm

FT, I’d say that “Water” most definitely wins the prize!

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MJM

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The Blocked Dwarf February 11, 2014 at 5:49 pm

“What caused those floods then?”

The Lord Your God….but they’d have been worse under Labour.

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Moor Larkin February 11, 2014 at 8:53 pm

I suppose this could be seen as the Coalition’s “Foot & Mouth” moment……. ;-)

Interestingly enough, the EU and the Environment Agency may be implicated in what the media projected as a fiasco at the time:

“… foot and mouth treatment policy passed from the hands of the British government to the European level as a result of European Community directive, 85/511. This set out procedures such as protection and “surveillance zones”, the confirmation of diagnosis by laboratory testing and that actions had to be consulted with the EU and its Standing Veterinary Committee. An earlier directive, 80/68, on the protection of groundwater gave powers to the Environment Agency to prohibit farm burials and the use of quicklime unless the site was authorised by the Agency.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_United_Kingdom_foot-and-mouth_outbreak

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Ed P February 11, 2014 at 9:14 pm

It’s Gaia trying to drown the sand worm from Dune (Ashton) – aa any fule ‘kno, sand worms do not like to get wet.

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Leg-iron February 12, 2014 at 12:47 am

Also, the Perth Daily News (Australia) of April 1923…

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/77891667?searchTerm=causes%20of%20change%20of%20climate&searchLimits=

The north pole was due to melt entirely back then. It didn’t, oddly enough.

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Stewart Cowan February 12, 2014 at 8:25 am

Re. Leg-iron’s latest post about The Perth (Australia) Daily News from 1923 about Arctic warming, how about this from here: http://www.handylore.com/a/ancient-history-2-intro-to-post-flood-man

Brief on the Pre-Flood Weather

There is definite evidence that our planet once presented a warm subtropical climate from pole to pole.

(i) Corals, which grow only in warm waters (of at least 20 degrees Centigrade) once grew near the poles. Canada, Alaska, Newfoundland, Greenland and Spitzbergen contain fossil coral.

(ii) Coal seams are also found near the poles. The vast coal beds are simply fossilised remains of trees and plants.

(iii) The remains of animals now confined to warm regions are found all over the earth.

(iv) Antarctica: In 1976, an Italian expedition discovered away below the ice – a petrified forest!

(v) Antarctica: The Admiral Byrd expedition found and photographed a mountain composed totally of coal, indicating former lush growth here. They also found ancient palm trees under the ice.

(vi) Antarctica: In 1968, in the mountains of central Antarctica, an American expedition came upon the jaw bone of a crocodile-like amphibian (called a labyrinthodont), as well as skeletons of other animals – creatures that could have survived only in a warm to hot climate. Similar finds were made again in 1986.

(vii) Northern polar regions: Abundant remains of tropical animals have been uncovered in icy Greenland, Alaska and Siberia.

(viii) In these same northern polar regions are numerous fossil trees: beech, myrtle, laurel, breadfruit, cinnamen, oak, walnut, banana, grape vines, and so on. And from a line north of Labrador across to Alaska: giant sequoias.

(ix) Spitzbergen and Greenland now shiver in darkness for half of the year and lie almost continuously under snow and ice. Yet a rich, temperate flora once covered these icy wastes in the Arctic Ocean. Fossil remains of magnolias, fig trees, palms, arborescent ferns (which are typically tropical) and animals from warm climates have been discovered… also pines, firs, spruces, cypresses, elms, hazels and water lilies.

(x) South polar region: Redwood forests are found buried under massive ice deposits. These towering giants (now typically found in the north-west of the U.S.A.) once flourished in many diverse parts of the world, as evidenced by many coal and fossil finds.

(xi) Back to the Arctic Circle: Here are two very interesting island groups – the New Siberian Islands and the Spitzbergen Islands. Remarkable things have been reported by explorers who have been there. Immense frozen gravel mounts were discovered to have entombed within them entire fruit trees with the fruit still on them. (D.G. Whitley, “ The Ivory Islands in the Arctic Ocean”, Journal of the Philosophical Society of Great Britain, XII, 1910, p.49. Cited in Earth in Upheaval, by Immanuel Velikovsky, Dell ed., 1955, p.19)

(xii) In the New Siberian Islands, whole palm trees have been found, with their leaves and fruit.

Others concur:

“There is but one climate known to the ancient fossil world as revealed by the plants and animals entombed in the rocks, and the climate was a mantle of springlike loveliness which seems to have prevailed continuously over the whole globe. Just how the world could have thus been warmed all over may be a matter of conjecture; that it was so warmed effectively and continuously is a matter of fact. When nearly the same plants are found in Greenland and Guinea; when the same species, now extinct, are met with of equal development at the equator as at the pole, we cannot but admit that at this period the temperature of the globe was nearly alike everywhere. “(10)“ What we now call climate was unknown in these geological times. There seems to have been then only one climate over the whole globe.”(11) Paleobotanist R.W. Chaney has shown from fossil plants that the climate was slightly warmer near the equator and cooler near the poles. (12) There were these slight differences of latitude climate, but not the present zonal extremes. Overall, the climate of Planet Earth was mild and springlike, perfect from pole to pole.

There is good reason to believe that this world of perfect climate existed within the memory of the human race. The traditions of ancient humanity preserve the recollection of it. The ancient Chinese say that before the great Catastrophe, “ four seasons succeeded each other regularly and without confusion. There were no impetuous winds, nor excessive rains. The sun and moon, without ever being clouded, furnished a light purer and brighter than now.”(13) Numerous ancient traditions contain details of the world “ before the Flood” , details which seem to stem from a common origin: the original perfect state; a glorious land; long age spans; but growing disobedience to spiritual laws and eventual destruction. (9)

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Moor Larkin February 12, 2014 at 8:55 am

Yeah, but isn’t all that because the South Pole wasn’t where it is now, at the times all these critters deposited their bones? Continental Drift is a much overlooked global phenomenon. It kinda takes the ground away from under your feet.
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/cgifs/Continentaldrift.gif

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Corevalue February 12, 2014 at 11:28 am

There’s a paradox though: a lot of the critters died and were frozen so suddenly, that we know they were eating buttercups for their last meal. Continental drift doesn’t happen quite that suddenly.

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Woman on a Raft February 12, 2014 at 9:41 am

It’s obesity. S’obvious. We are all putting on weight (well, I am) and it is causing the land to sink. Look at Eric Pickles. The sandbags are making it worse. You didn’t see all these floods before the sandbags, did you? Well then.

If we all jumped up in the air and stayed there, the country would bob up under our feet. The government ought to coordinate it.

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Moor Larkin February 12, 2014 at 9:51 am

Like any of this bothers you, Woman on a Raft…………. ;-)

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Furor Teutonicus February 12, 2014 at 10:02 am

XX The sandbags are making it worse. You didn’t see all these floods before the sandbags, did you? XX

You MAY be right!!

Look at the first world war.

All was going fine until they brought in the sand bags, then, all of a sudden, they were up to their arses in water!

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David February 12, 2014 at 10:09 am

http://order-order.com/2014/02/10/george-monbiot-2006-our-rivers-will-run-dry/

For those who may not be regular visitors to Guido’s site. Conclusive evidence that the floods are actually caused by our efforts to “combat” Climate Change. Start burning coal, everyone.

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SamBest February 13, 2014 at 3:16 am

I currently live in Australia where there is Shock and Awe every year as it is riven by either flood or fire.
The first Europeans here scoffed at the Aboriginals who told stories of their legends going back at least 40,000 years of similar yearly accounts. Except they allowed it to happen as they discovered, Lo & behold that fire and flood remarkably, renewed the earth and kept it fertile whilst imported European farming methods tended to wreck the soil after about 40/50 years.

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Dai Brainbocs February 13, 2014 at 8:55 am

Aren’t you comparing apples and pears here? A valid image in some parallel universe would be the extent of flooding this year’s rain would have caused if pitted against the flood defences of, for example, North Ormsby in 1903. Or conversely, the impact of North Ormsby’s 1903 rainfall on today’s flood defences.

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Streona February 13, 2014 at 9:03 am

Are you the Dai Brainbocs responsible for flooding Aberystwyth?

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Anna Raccoon February 13, 2014 at 10:05 am

And I’m Louie Knight….

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Dai Brainbocs February 13, 2014 at 10:12 am

It’s high time Malcolm Pryce wrote about Druidic child abuse, it would be fertile ground for his imagination.

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Michael J. McFadden February 13, 2014 at 3:07 pm

Alan Caruba, whose blog gets rather widely reblogged around the net (Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Do bloggers like the exposure? Or do they feel it takes away from their own blog visits? Dunno.) had a good article on this “global warming” problem today:

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=196554259323465442&postID=2796997442249899486&page=1&token=1392303200853

I quoted from VtfS’s source here as well as Leggy’s one from 1923.

– MJM

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Moor Larkin February 16, 2014 at 5:55 pm

London 1928 seems to have largely dropped off the radar.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-26153241

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Jimmy Mac March 4, 2014 at 12:15 pm

Of course there have always been floods.

So your suggestion is that because there have always been extreme weather events in the past that this somehow provides some kind of evidence against the theory of climate change? It really doesn’t.

If climate change IS real, then it means we will likely experience an increase in the FREQUENCY of extreme weather events such as the recent flooding. I’ve failed to find any climate scientists suggesting that floods are a brand new phenomena and as such this argument is a really dire effort to disprove the theory.

I doubt that anything will change your mind of course. Ah well, I suppose it doesn’t really matter because physics doesn’t give a toss about what any of us think. If Climate change is real then it will impact our lives increasingly over the coming years regardless of any denials to the contrary. I guess the real shame would be that the damage caused could be much worse because we keep pretending it’s not happening and so the mitigating actions required are not taken seriously.

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I see that the sequential joke that is the ‘reply’ system is spaffing responses all over the place again. 16/4 9.05 was to -6/4 , 8.29.

It’s also an hour out, but let’s assume that is consistent, to avoid hurting further those neurons that are still struggling to maintain an existence

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