MacKenzie Frenzy.
They are multiplying like rabbits; private companies – ‘The Society of Professional McKenzie Friends Ltd‘ offer a directory of ‘self regulated’ MacKenzie Friends – are springing up to help spread their mobile phone numbers around to the desperate.
They claim that a Solicitor can charge from £200 per hour and from £500-£600 (plus VAT!) for a day in court – whereas for £350 they will accompany you to court, encourage litigants to separate emotion from the facts, facilitate cooperation with court processes and other parties, help with case papers and ‘so on’.
Trust me; for £350 a day I will go to court with you, hold your hand, tell you where the toilets are, when to stand and when to sit, and even point out to you that that screaming hysterically ‘It was till you shagged my Mother’ when your partner claims you used to have a happy marriage is not likely to further your cause with the Judge. On a wet day I might even do it for £250.
What I won’t do is give you legal advice, since I am neither a registered Solicitor nor a Barrister, so I’m not indemnified to give you advice. If you are happy to save £150 and ditch the legal advice when you find yourself in court, then I’m your man, or woman….For God’s sake, if you can find £350, then borrow the other £150 and get a legal ‘car’ with all four wheels.
I am not against the idea of MacKenzie Friends altogether. The original altruistic idea was for, literally, a friend, to be allowed to sit in the court with you, much as they might do in a Doctor’s consulting room, and prompt you to remember all the things you wanted to say but can’t remember in the heat of the moment. Someone who has done it before and isn’t overawed by the process.
I am sure that Mark Neary was suitably grateful for the help and assistance of Sam Smith, a law student at the time, who supported him through the gruelling process of getting his son released from an unlawful detention.
However, the six children of Bishop Gloria Musa and her husband Joseph who had to be taken into care because of the abuse dealt out to them by their parents:
The Nigerian couple, who claimed their kids were possessed by evil spirits, beat them with brooms, hoovers and wires and even gave their baby a morphine overdose just days after her first birthday.
might be less impressed with the Mackenzie Friends outfit who supported the parents through court with wild allegations of corrupt courts, child snatching and other memes of the conspiriloons.
Would little Luna Black thank the Mackenzie Friends who organised the escape from justice of her Mother – ‘Britain’s most prolific female paedophile’.
At a cottage deep in the French countryside, a baby girl kicks her feet in the air and smiles at her father, Joe, as she is cuddled by her mother, Marie.
Luna is now safely away from her Mother’s care – Marie Black is serving a lengthy jail sentence.
It was Mackenzie friends who organised the flight from British justice for a Mother and her teenage son who suffered from, and was receiving help for, severe mental health difficulties. Mother had other plans for the son – and cared not that her son required specialist treatment.
Unfortunately, when you have people advising in emotive circusmtances who have not been taught to view matters objectively, you will acquire bad apples who have a personal agenda that they seek to impose on the vulnerable.
That they are being paid as well and have slick websites that offer their services in many different languages gives a veneer of respectability to their services. You don’t have to understand the language sufficiently to complete a law degree, nor to take bar exams – Mackenzie training takes an onerous three whole days. Then you just set up shop as a Mckenzie Friend, speaking the language of your chosen client, and caring nought for whether your advice has any value.
I listened in horror one day, to a video of a client and a Mackenzie Friend. The client asked whether it was true that the British Government carried out forced adoptions ‘for money’ and inquired whether he was being held for medical treatment ‘for money’. The response was not the reassurance you might expect for a sick and delusional man – but ‘ah well, the judges get well paid, and the legal counsel, so do the social workers and all the mental health workers. They all get money for what they are doing to you, that’s the way British justice works’. His statement was factually correct, all those people do get paid, but it was also manipulatively crafted to feed into the fears of a vulnerable man.
That paid ‘Mackenzie Friends’ are slowly gaining ‘rights of audience’ in our court rooms, only makes matters worse. One, the Hon ‘Lord’ Grayson, describes himself as ‘Senior Partner’ and gives helpful advice as to how to address him…
You call them simply, “My Lord”. However there are deviants to this such as, “Your Lordship”, “His Lordship” etc. You are supposed to do this until the titled person invites you to call them by there (sic!!!) first name. You shouldn’t at any time call them “Mr.” (Nor point out that they don’t know the difference between there and their).
Law books and pink tape on your briefs always look so good, don’t you think?
He claims to hold the qualifications of:
A.Ist.Pa, Dip.DAS, MSFTR
I did try to untangle their meaning, but found myself bogged down in a Portuguese field of manure. No really. See if you can do any better.
Lord Grayson will be studying to become a licensed paralegal. After this he will go on training to eventually become a fully qualified solicitor and may convert his degree into becoming a barrister.
Now that surprised me – if being a Mckenzie Friend is so much better and cheaper for your clients, why would you want to turn yourself into one of those expensive fuddy duddy solicitors or barristers?
‘Lord’ Grayson may do his best to look like a barrister or solicitor:
“I always wear pin-stripes or a black suit to court… I have a proper solicitor’s briefcase… Everything looks good when we arrive and I think that’s very important.”
As well he might – he says he earns around £100,000 a year.
The Legal Services Consumer Panel noted that McKenzie friends have been around for 50 years. Traditionally unpaid volunteers, they help litigants in person by providing moral support, taking notes, helping with case papers and giving advice.
What is the point of remaining qualified when you can hand your practising certificate in, rid yourself of office rent/staff and all the other overheads including personal indemnity insurance, escape all the regulations and earn £50-£100k pa?
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 2:30 pm -
The Linkedin-profile suggests his Lordship’s outfit is coming along nicely:
“At Grayson’s we now have our own ‘in-house’ Lawyer plus three McKenzie Friends, three Solicitors and three Barristers.”Wonder if these unnamed individuals all have proper barrister’s briefcases? The testimonials are illuminating, mostly coming from relieved (of their cash) people happy to have someone to help them in the UPCOMING case. This one made me laugh:
“Apart from the peace of mind you are less than half the cost of the soliciotrs. It has been great to know that someone is on the ball and sorting it out. When you’re stuck in here you can’t do much! A great job so far Mark… keep up the good work!”
From a Mr. F who resides in, er, H.M.P Littlehey!
- Daisy Ray
September 27, 2016 at 3:04 pm -
As to the Marie Black case, you might want to consider the consequences of falling out with Norfolk Social Services. Private Eye’s Rotten Boroughs would be a good place to start your research. You might also want to look at some of the curious evidence advanced at the trial (the small amount the public were allowed to read). I think you may come to suspect it’s a rum affair indeed.
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 3:43 pm -
I know that Christopher Booker of The Telegraph seemed less than impressed with the case (and had previously written about the ‘fleeing to France’) and there were certainly eyebrow-raising aspects such as the doctored notes & ‘enthusiastic’ social worker going undercover to investigate, but he’ll have to do better than the following if he really believes that a miscarriage of justice has taken place:
“There is much else about the conduct of this trial I cannot report for legal reasons.”
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 3:44 pm -
Whoops, meant to add the link:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11790298/The-greatest-abuse-would-be-to-indulge-in-a-witch-hunt.html - Mrs Grimble
September 27, 2016 at 6:10 pm -
Thanks Bandini – I was about to add that link myself. Glad I’m not the only one to have considerable doubts about the case. Will we ever get to see the full court records?
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 6:57 pm -
I had wondered if Booker was restricted in what he could write by an ongoing appeal, Mrs Grimble, and it seems that there was one in May but that it was rejected. However, they weren’t giving up: “The fresh grounds of appeal [another one] against conviction will be looked at and determined at a later date.”
But it seems that it’s not just the dodgy McKenzie Friend who can occasionally rattle a judge’s cage, as her legal representative’s late disclosure of the ‘fresh’ evidence caused annoyance:
“Lord Thomas said: “It’s just simply not the way that anyone who wears a wig and gown as a barrister of this country should behave.””I only took an interest when it arose, I think, in a below-the-line ‘heated discussion’ with Tim Tate, blowing a bloody gasket as usual. Satanic abuse & Beatrix ‘Broomstix’ Campbell… maybe it’ll come up in their upcoming ‘off the record’ debate over at Byline with Hencke, MWT, Meirion Jones, etc.:
“The line up will mean we will be able to frankly discuss the issue from the time of the Cleveland child sex abuse scandal up to the present day Jay inquiry and looking at Operation Midland and its repercussions as well as the Esther Baker investigation [er, on ongoing police investigation, surely?] and Jimmy Savile.”
I love this bit: “And as a payback you can attend this debate and I will give you the password to apply to get into the event for free.”
Aye, and a secret disguise & Dennis The Menace whoopee cushion probably! McKenzie Journalists…
http://www.edp24.co.uk/news/crime/top_judges_refuse_marie_black_s_bid_to_appeal_child_abuse_sentence_1_4533624- Mrs Grimble
September 28, 2016 at 8:10 pm -
In these disputed custody cases, I’m normally on the side of the social workers. They have all the facts but can’t say anything publicly, while the “wronged” parents can run to the media and wring everyone’s heartstrings with a load of crap. But in the Black case, something just didn’t seem right – there was the reporting blackout, and the few bits of the kids’ evidence that came out was far too much like standard SRA stuff. Plus, Joe was apparently judged perfectly fit to be Luna’s custodian after her mother’s arrest – wasn’t he a fit enough father to protect his daughter while he was with Marie?
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 10:49 pm -
That last point is interesting, Mrs Grimble, and I wasn’t aware of it. Thank you.
- Mrs Grimble
September 29, 2016 at 6:01 pm -
This 2012 article gives some background to the Black case.
- Mrs Grimble
- Bandini
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- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 3:23 pm -
Larry Grayson would probably have described him as just another of those McKenzie variants, from whose bottoms the sun doth shine.
I know, I know, I’ll get my coat…..
- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 3:43 pm -
More seriously, leaving ‘Oh Lordy Lordy’ aside, this is wide open to abuse, and almost as sure as little green apples, after a few horror stories and ruined lives, someone will come up with the great idea that actually it all needs to be regulated properly. In the meantime a whole load of Hanger Ons and Many Wittering Troughers could well make a killing if they get in quick enough
PS there is some stuff around that says that we who are your new best McKenzie Friends might have some sort of liability to those being assisted, but, as you say, indeed no professional indemnity cover is available. Insurance companies normally aren’t stupid
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 7:05 pm -
Regulation? Why not?
“He [‘Lord’ Grayson, who “inherited a hereditary title late in life after being adopted as a baby”] said he would welcome formal regulation of McKenzie Friends: “I think it would be very, very good for us to have a regulatory body, as paralegals have, as legal executives have, as solicitors have… It would get rid of the charlatans and the ones who are in it for a quick buck.”
Aye, down with those charlatans!
- Mrs Grimble
September 28, 2016 at 8:22 pm -
“Lord’ Grayson, who “inherited a hereditary title late in life after being adopted as a baby”
Hmm. Maybe there’s something wrong with my google-fu today, but Burke’s Peerage seems to have no knowledge of the title. And wouldn’t a Lord style himself something like “Lord Grayson of Lower Piddledown”? Instead, all my searches just turn up “Lord Mark Grayson”, as though ‘Lord’ was actually his first name.
There’s no law against that of course – you can call yourself “Lord Pumpkinhead Twizzleface” if you so wish, But even a Mckenzie Friend probably knows that you can’t then use your name to pass as a real peer.
- Mrs Grimble
- Bandini
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- The Blocked Dwarf
September 27, 2016 at 3:48 pm -
No really. See if you can do any better.
MOC stands for ‘Member Open College’. MSFTR stands for ‘Member Sherwood Foundation Therapists Register’.- The Blocked Dwarf
September 27, 2016 at 3:49 pm -
Forgot Link: https://www.opencollege.info/students/questions-and-answers/
“What does the MOC & MSFTR and stand for?”- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 4:01 pm -
Membership of said register costing £65 a year for which you’ll receive an “A4 size wall display yearly membership certificate and a copy of the foundations code of conduct through the post”.
(The ‘code of conduct’ is quite amusing, though not sure if ‘Lord’ Whatshisname is obliged to follow it anyway as his name is not to be found on the register anyway!)- The Blocked Dwarf
September 27, 2016 at 4:05 pm -
Re-reading the piece I think the Landlady knew damn well what MSFTR stands for (something with ‘Trougher’ perchance as Ho Hum suggests?) and I misread her question which was actually an invite to the punners among us.
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 4:28 pm -
Ah! I’m hopeless at puns, so…
The course list at the Open College is hilarious: become a ‘registered’ puppy whisperer or ghost hunter, or study quantum physics – the choice is yours (and the price the same!).
Joking aside, there is a range of counselling/therapy/childcare courses, and I imagine someone other than the ‘Lord’ is using those letters-after-the-name to pull the wool over the eyes of the gullible.
(“Upon completion of this course [a couple of DVDs] you will be entitled to the use of these Designatory letters after your name: Dip.bricklaying…” Think I’ve lived in a place built by their ‘graduates’!)
- Bandini
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September 27, 2016 at 4:09 pm -
Why on Earth are our Great British Judges and Justices Of The Peace allowing any paid Mcdonald…sorry McKenzie air-time? Surely the clue is the name ‘A McKenzie Friend‘ , a deed of Friendship not commerce.
- windsock
September 27, 2016 at 5:55 pm -
Quite. Though no McKenzie Friend myself, I have been in positions in voluntary organisations where I have needed to know enough to advise people and to know what I DON’T know and to refer the client onwards. As a friend, I have accompanied people to work capability assessments and then helped get real proper trained legal advice when appeal sitations arise, and have been able to help present that with/for said friends (a lot of free benefits legal services these days just don’t have the resources to do anything other than prepare the paperwork and arguments… they don’t often go to tribunal appeal hearings). And I would only do that for a friend or for an organisation for whom I am an officially trained representative.
- The Blocked Dwarf
September 27, 2016 at 7:04 pm -
I’ve had to attend or accompany The Bestes Frau In The World to a couple of Tribunals over the years and my kids -whilst still underage- before their Worships . One thing has always impressed me, even in the Magistrates Court but more so in DLA Tribunals, is how the ‘court’ bends over backwards and forwards again to make the whole thing ‘user friendly’, unless one is a congenital idiot or from somewhere very very deep in the Norfolk wetlands (same thing shurely?), I doubt anyone needs a McKenzie. I recall a worried phone call from the Tribunal Service asking if a ‘High German’ speaking translator would be sufficient for The Bestes Frau to follow proceedings as they, the Tribunal Service, couldn’t find a Hessian Speaking translator at short notice! That’s like asking if a cockney understands RP. I explained of course that The Bestes Frau would be perfectly ok with ‘just’ a High German speaking interpreter as she only spoke High German herself, despite having been born and bred in Hessia. Seems someone at the Tribunal Service had been overly zealous ticking the ‘Appellant’s Requirements for a warm, fuzzy, ‘included’ feeling’ box. But it’s the thoughtfulness that counts.
When dealing with my somewhat ‘thick’ youngest, their Worships went out their way to explain everything in words of two syllables or less, innit, ai. (mind you that might have been because one of their Worships was governor of a ‘special school’ and so used to dealing with the slow witted, retards and teachers.- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 7:24 pm -
I’ve never had to face any of that, TBD, but if I had to and was both unable to afford proper representation & not entitled to free advice – surely the root of the vogue for the cheaper alternative – I’d probably appreciate having someone sat at my side who was more experienced and could help me understand what the procedure was. But I wouldn’t be taking legal advice from them, and I wouldn’t be paying a ‘friend’ for that hand-holding.
This from June shows concerns from Bar Council:
http://www.barcouncil.org.uk/media/472412/bar_council_response_to_proposals_to_reform_the_courts__approach_to_mckenzie_friends.pdf- The Blocked Dwarf
September 27, 2016 at 7:43 pm -
@Bandini I seem to recall at the last Magistrates hearing I attended with one of my wayward brood (and he had a solicitor -having been brought up with the ‘leitfaden’ that the words ‘lawyer now!’ are the only correct reply to ‘you do not have to say’), a nice lady from the court came out into the waiting area and explained to Youngest -in his role as a ‘Vulnerable Young Adult…all 6ft of him- all about where to sit, who would be standing where, what they would ask him…you know…the dIfFFUlkT questions like ‘what is your name?’ and that ‘I dunn it like but not really like y’know like innit’ isn’t quite the same as saying ‘Not Guilty, Your Worship’.
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- windsock
September 27, 2016 at 7:41 pm -
Your’e quite right, although I did have to correct the Judge at one point on her knowledge of the availability of medical aids. She insisted I was wrong, but I held my ground and the doctor sitting alonsgside her eventually had to side with me by pointing out such aids are only available in the famous NHS “postcode lottery” (winners get free coping aids for medical problems).
- Bandini
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September 27, 2016 at 7:16 pm -
I have a proper solicitor’s briefcase…
I think judges might be more impressed if Mckenzies arrived in faded Combat jackets carrying a Waitrose ‘Hand woven by unexploited vegan Free Trade Indios’ Bag….or , maybe even, a Tesco’s 5p carrier. Judges may be many things, few of them good but gullible they ain’t-as a rule. I doubt anyone who has clawed, slept and gavelled their way to the pinnacles of the legal profession will be swayed or even impressed by a good suit and a leather school satchel.- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 7:27 pm -
Yeah, but when the judge clocks the iron-on crest of Open College on his tie…
- windsock
September 27, 2016 at 7:42 pm -
Who was that mighty capitalist behemoth who did a Ratner and talked of his company providing a suit for a young man “facing his first court appearance”?
- tdf
September 27, 2016 at 7:46 pm -
Not sure Windsock, but there is a Dublin cliche that a northside Dub only wears a suit if he is going to a funeral or to court.
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 7:49 pm -
I need an O’Reilly Friend to explain to me what a ‘northside Dub’ is.
- tdf
September 27, 2016 at 7:56 pm -
Northside Dublin (i.e. the areas north of the river Liffey) is generally considered rougher than southside Dublin. The opposite of London, where I think in general ‘sarf London’ contains most of the rougher districts.
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- windsock
September 28, 2016 at 8:54 am -
Thank you Major Bonkers. I’m glad I wasn’t imagining that.
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 10:19 am -
I think this passed me by at the time, Windsock, but I love this bit:
“A spokeswoman told BBC NewsOnline that Topman’s customers would not necessarily see the word “hooligan” as an insult.
“Amongst young men it is almost seen as a term of endearment,” she said. “David will be the first to admit that he is a bit of bloke. And that is who Topman is aiming at – geezers, lads, whatever you want to call them.””Exactly why as a youngster I hated the place, so full of aggressive ‘casuals’. Er, that and the fact that while one entered at the front of the shop the exit forced you to the back/up a level and into the Top Shop lingerie department, ‘Father Ted’ style! Probably a brainwave of the foot-in-his-mouth ‘geezer’ (who is now the CEO of Arcadia Group…).
- windsock
September 28, 2016 at 12:10 pm -
Being the raving woofter I am, I only ever shopped in the girls’ department at Top Shop… not its demographic exactly…
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 1:24 pm -
It was always a source of annoyance seeing that girls had a massive selection of cheap designs & colours to choose from whereas the boy had only a palette of black/grey/brown/slighly-daring blue. When I was about 13 or so I fancied a particular pair of shoes which looked identical (to me at least) to some available in a girls’ shoe-shop (Dolcis?) and nowhere else.
No idea why I wanted them – perhaps Ian ‘Little Plum’ Astbury of The (Southern) (Death) Cult was sporting them, I can’t remember now. Anyway, my parents went along with it & I turned up to school in a pair…It didn’t take long for someone to notice and start laughing, then the rest joined in – deep, burning humiliation! At breaktime I died a thousand deaths, though the older brother of a friend spoke up for me, which was decent of him. However, at lunch-time I ran home & changed and never dared wear them again. They weren’t even particularly feminine – a horrible grey like a car-paint undercoat or summat, just tending ever so slightly towards the picking of a winkle. Went back to the 16-hole Docs, I suppose!
No, I don’t have the stomach for fending off nutters all the time. If you didn’t see it there was an interview with Marilyn – the poor man’s Boy George – in The Guardian yesterday, Windsock; he certainly had the stomach for it!
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/sep/27/marilyn-peter-robinson-sat-in-room-20-years-taking-crack-watching-alien-films- windsock
September 28, 2016 at 1:46 pm -
The Marilyn album was great. I had more time for him than George, whose “I’d rather have a cup of tea” approach I always found disingenuous.
I also had the stomach to put up with the nutters – at the price of a few lost teeth, real life bruises and wounded self-respect. The next day, however, I would always get up and put on even more mascara. I used to do a two-hour commute to London. Even then, trains would be packed but sometimes my stop was early enough on the route I would get a seat. It always amused me that people getting on at later stops would rather stand until Victoria rather than sit next to me, should empty seats still be available as they sometimes were, as I sat, be-blushered, eye-linered, “blind with mascara and dumb with lipstick ” to quote Quentin, and sometimes be-ribboned but always immaculately turned put. This was the late 70s/early 80s so I suppose they thought my dress sense might be catching…
Shopping in Miss Selfridge or other girls’ shops was never an issue for me – I liked the colours (like you) and if the clothes fitted, I wore them.
There was once a documentary in a series called “South of Watford”, featuring “gender benders”, hosted by Ben Elton. If you ever get the chance to see it, you will see a young windsock out shopping in his best pink linen suit with his girlfiend (it’s cringeworthy for me to watch it now, but, hey, happy times). Sadly, I have toned it down a notch since being a teenager, but highdays and holidays can still see me put on the sparkle (and enjoy watching the heads turn).
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 2:31 pm -
I had a search on YouTube but without success, Windsock. Now I have the bloody theme tune stuck in my craw – aarrrghh!
- tdf
September 28, 2016 at 9:15 pm -
This docu ‘New Romantics on the Kings Road’ from 1981 might be worth a watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8ekIDJKDRE
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 10:46 pm -
By the time I got there the greedheads had moved in & the only posing was being done by wankers in flash cars driving up and down, up and down, pointlessly – I’d never been so disapponited (until later visiting Carnaby Street & China ‘Town’).
Remember that every intersection on King’s Road – had a big zebra crossing so any petulant youth with a chip on his shoulder – me! – could walk up and down, up and down, forcing what looked to be the cast of late 80s’ tv classic ‘Capital City’ to apply the brakes and wait! Silly, but then so was I.It was like watching my older sister ‘getting ready’ again watching that, taste of hair-spray in my throat!
- tdf
September 28, 2016 at 11:12 pm -
Tbh, judging by that docu even by 1981 the yuppies were moving in.
The scene with the Porsche 928 pulling up to the kerb and the models alighting is a bit cringeworthy.
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 11:22 pm -
It was that scene which set me off down Memory Lane! Imagine that but without the two ‘models’ and WITH another couple of tossers in the back! I was sharing a flat at the time with someone who aspired to ‘achieving’ a stomach ulcer, as ‘all traders have them’…
- tdf
September 28, 2016 at 11:36 pm -
Lol. I picture your former flatmate these days as someone akin to the ‘Modern Wank’ character from Harry and Paul. who flogs vastly over-priced tat to flibbertigibbets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4rgxOi73c
- Bandini
September 29, 2016 at 12:06 am -
I think he turned out quite well, TDF, semi-retiring to France in his 40s with his French missus & kids, only returning to UK now and then “to make some quick dosh”. (Yes, still using the word ‘dosh’!)
- tdf
September 29, 2016 at 12:11 am -
In that case the ‘grown up’ version of the original Harry Enfield character, ‘Loadsamoney’, might be the more appropriate type. Or alternatively an earthier version of the ‘which was nice’ character from the Fast Show.
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- windsock
September 28, 2016 at 1:55 pm -
P.S. Just read the interview. Thanks for the link. It’s great.
- tdf
September 30, 2016 at 4:57 am -
No offence to Windsock and his friends, but I wonder if walking through Finglas north Dublin dressed as a girl, circa 1981 might plausibly have involved at least as much balls than walking down the Chelsea Road circa the same era.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYWXV1ZA90o
- tdf
September 30, 2016 at 5:06 am -
^ in the above Youtube vid, worth noting the reference to “whatever happened to Emancipation Act 1973…it’s lost…yes it’s lost” @ circa 7 minutes in.
A reference to these Law Reform proposals, I think:
http://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/consultation%20papers/wpAgeofMajority.htm
- windsock
September 30, 2016 at 8:44 am -
Possibly more, tdf. I was inspired by those who lived in London but only worked there. I commuted from a conurbation that included a Royal Navy dockyard, army barracks and a lower league football tam that had its small contingent of nutters. London was a safe haven and an escape in comparison. Still, character forming and all that.
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September 27, 2016 at 8:03 pm -
btw Bandini, did you see Tim Pendry’s latest blogpost?
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 8:10 pm -
I hadn’t seen it, TDF, but I have now! Washing his hands of the whole affair, by the looks of things:
http://positionreserved.blogspot.com.es/2016/09/exaro-notification.html- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 9:37 pm -
‘New Sparta’, huh?
Cue David! I can’t wait to hear why those residing in the outer branches of the conspiracy nut tree might just possibly construe that name to be some sort of subliminal prompt to attract, or might even be some ‘down under’ mass hypnotic deep cover for, their fellow travellers who might, after falling on their heads as babies, have some sort of morbid attraction in reading about those they believe to be interested in Gymnopaedia, or its variants
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 10:13 pm -
Oh, some of the crackpots ran their magnifying glass over Pendry ages ago, Ho Hum; I couldn’t be bothered paying much attention but his interest in all manner of oddness sent them wild! Now he starts his final musings on Exaro like this:
“Exaro-related postings will remain on this blog until November 1st, 2016 or thereabouts, and then be transferred to another site so that they are on the record but no longer distract from the main purpose of Position Reserved…”
I’m not sure what that ‘main purpose’ is, to be honest, but I hardly think a grand total of five postings is going to distract his readership. ‘Alert them’ might be more apt after having first introduced them to his unruly baby thusly:
“When I created ExaroNews I had no idea of where it would lead. Its purpose was simply to ‘hold power to account’ through investigative journalism under the leadership of an honest editor … a type in our society who is as valuable as an honest cop. We found that honest editor in Mark Watts.”
Ho ho ho! What a toe-curler!
- tdf
September 27, 2016 at 10:30 pm -
To clarify, New Sparta is the name of the Exaro majority shareholder’s investment vehicle.
- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 11:25 pm -
Has anyone, after picking themselves off the floor, ever told you that it’s not the way you tell them, it’s how you explain them?
- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 11:43 pm -
@ tdf
On reflection, I might have jumped the shark on that if you were just informing people of the content of something that I had assumed they would have read. If so, please accept my apologies.
- tdf
September 28, 2016 at 12:56 am -
No worries, Ho Hum. I am not sure how many on here have followed the travails of a certain now-defunct ‘odd online news agency’. I know Bandini has to some extent, which is why I drew his attention to Pendry’s blogpost.
- tdf
- Ho Hum
- Ho Hum
- Bandini
- Ho Hum
- Bandini
- tdf
September 27, 2016 at 8:42 pm -
Yep, that’s the impression I get also.
- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 9:51 pm -
And while we’re at not being too serious, and I’m not yet past the point of being totally inebriated, the acronyms could possible encompass:
Ah Ist.Paralytic (University of Most of the Tyne)
Dipshits Are Scum (Collegiate of Floaters)
Much Silver Fixes The Result (Academy of Universal Legal Principles)
and
More Outstanding CraptitudeHave a fun evening….
/pulls on disguise and leaves by back door
- Penseivat
September 27, 2016 at 9:52 pm -
As a retired Police officer, I have acted as a McKenzie friend on two occasions, once for my daughter when 2 Police officers pulled her over for a duff tail light and then proceeded to search her vehicle unlawfully, and once for an elderly lady I know who had been prosecuted for allegedly speeding at 34 miles an hour in a 30 mph limit (ACPO guidelines ‘re speeding). In neither case was I allowed to question the prosecution witnesses but I was allowed to write down questions for the person being prosecuted to ask. It was time consuming, but the magistrate allowed it in both cases and both cases were dismissed. In each case, it was argued that the Police had exceeded their remit and that expenses for the defence should be made from Police funds as opposed to central funds as is normally the case. Also, in the first instance, the Police officers were censured by the court for carrying out illegal acts. If dealt with properly, having a McKenzie friend can be beneficial for those who can’t afford the £300 – £400 a solicitor will ask for just to turn up.
- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 10:08 pm -
It’s a bit of a sad indictment of the system, and I would guess it must also be pretty galling, when you have to sort out the current polis from your retirement
But good for you, and well done.
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 10:54 pm -
I read this a while ago from a barrister. Worth a read:
https://crimbarrister.wordpress.com/2016/07/04/goodbye-mr-mckenzie/- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 11:53 pm -
Yeah. Interesting article.
Reminds me of how I once inherited a department, made up of otherwise redundant redeployees from all sorts of other places and functions, where the admission criteria seemed to have been set by people who believed that if someone knew how to press the buttons on a calculator, they were an accountant. The only place I ever worked where I had real, blood running on the walls, nightmares.
I’d almost suggest that there should be some sort of regulatory body for aspirant MPs, but I can’t think of any normal person who would be willing to go deep enough into the swamp to administer the tests :-).
- Ho Hum
- Bandini
- Bandini
September 27, 2016 at 10:36 pm -
Penseivat, some Friends are charging similar amounts, the pretend Lord, for example:
“For all Criminal/Civil Law Cases we take an initial deposit of £1,000 and ask you to top up the account as the monies are used on our fees.”
Those fees include £450/day for turning up in court, and prior to this the standard hourly rate for preparing the case is £75 – seems a bit steep for a bloke who uses the smoke & mirrors of a ‘college’/’regulating body’ dishing out certificates for ‘dog homeopathy’ and the like.
- Ho Hum
- Ho Hum
September 27, 2016 at 9:52 pm -
Recognition at last! I’ve being moderated!
- Sue R Pipe
September 27, 2016 at 11:14 pm -
Lord Grayson’s terms of business are a hoot.
Under no circumstances whatsoever are we under any liability to you, no matter how badly we screw up.
Those terms in themselves show why you should never ever engage Lord Grayson.
- NotLordHarley
September 28, 2016 at 10:14 am -
Note Grayson’s use of the University of Westminster logo on his website and Linkedin profile. He claims to have studied there: “Trained at the University of Westminster, London – under the direction of a Barrister & McKenzie Friend.”
The problem is that one quick telephone call to the UoW confirms that it does not offer the courses in question. Presumably, the courses were run by Simon Walland, perhaps renting a room from the UoW. Walland is not a practising barrister. He uses the unregulated title “lawyer” and likes to be photographed wearing a barrister’s bands.
Grayson’s website is risible. It is peppered with misspellings and his use of the apostrophe suggests that he should be a McKenzie Grocer, not a McLawyer. Despite this, he can be found on the internet offering proof-reading services. He has, it seems, also started writing a novel. It is about a detective who discovers “a tissue of lies” and pursues the matter in an old-fashioned manner, “much to the char grin of his boss”.
- Mrs Grimble
September 28, 2016 at 8:36 pm -
” Presumably, the courses were run by Simon Walland, perhaps renting a room from the UoW.”
I know somebody who has had “Taught in a University” on his Linkin profile for years. Yes, he did actually teach in a university – he taught a few evening classes for members of his hobby club in a room rented from said university.
- Mrs Grimble
- Penseivat
September 28, 2016 at 10:52 am -
Ho Hum and Bandini,
Being a McKenzie Friend is not something to be taken lightly by non-qualified people and if the cases had been anything other than straight forward I would have suggested proper legal advice (PACE requires certain conditions and actions before a vehicle can be searched – which weren’t carried out, and ACPO guidelines allows plus or minus 10% of the vehicle speed plus 2mph, so in a 30mph area, the vehicle can travel at 35mph before prosecution), plus I never charged for my services.
As anyone can claim to be a lawyer, it is an arrestable offence to claim to be a solicitor or barrister, and I have taken great pleasure in dealing in that manner with friends or family of people in custody who claim to be so qualified, even after being questioned about their qualifications. - Lord Grayson
September 28, 2016 at 12:11 pm -
I am astounded by your rather defamatory comments. You seem to find slating me and my practice enjoyable!
First of all my practice IS a partnership, I am as its founder the Senior Partner.
I hole a paralegal membership. Dip.DAS and MSFTR are letters that I am entitled to put after my name, they relate to counselling qualifications, not that I feel it necessary to explain to you. Should a client ask me then it would be explained to them.
The fact that I am going on to study law in more detail and to become a qualified solicitor or maybe even a barrister is simply (as described on my website) to offer a fuller and better service than other McKenzie Friends. The fact that I will (if and when qualified) charge less than my High Street colleague’s is a matter to which seems to have passed you by completely! I see no reason whatsoever why one should not better oneself and give that knowledge to clients at a fairer price.
I have at no time on my website claimed or tried to look like a solicitor or barrister so your comment about that is totally untrue. I have also NEVER said that I earn £100,000 a year to anybody! Where you got that idea from totally baffles me!
I find your comments about me totally unfair and I will rebuff them always. I am insured to £1 million of PUBLIC INDEMNITY INSURANCE AND PUBLIC LIABILITY INSURANCE, unlike so many McKenzies.
I have since the very start tried to provide a professional, 1st class service to all clients. Perhaps if you had telephoned me for a little chat you would realise that I am providing much more than the traditional McKenzie Friend. I have solicitors and barristers who are more than happy to work with me.
Lastly, on the subject of Rights of Audience, I only ask the judge or magistrate for it if it is really necessary.
Get your facts straight before slagging someone off in future!
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 1:53 pm -
Mark (I’m not calling you ‘Lord’!), I had difficulty locating your entry in the ridiculous ‘register’ set up by the pretend college in order to add a sheen of respectability to their worthless offering; perhaps you need to pay ’em another £65 (or you could improve your CV by doing a ‘nail technician’ course which would also guarantee you to a place on it!).
Perhaps you are listed under a name different to that which you obtained when you were raised by wolves/adopted by toffs/whatever it was that happened to you? Could you please nudge me towards it (for all the difference it would make)?
http://www.therapyregister.net/sftregister.htmI should point out that I may in the future do something extraordinary with my life which might lead to a peerage or summat; I may even pull my finger out and study/obtain a worthwhile qualification, so if you wouldn’t mind addressing me as, hmmm…. ‘Your Magnificence’ I’d by awfully obliged. Cheers me ol’ mucker.
P.S. This first electronic exchange has not cost you a penny, though I shall have to charge you at my hourly rate of £5000 from here on in, I’m afraid.
- Ho Hum
September 28, 2016 at 10:57 pm -
‘I am insured to £1 million of PUBLIC INDEMNITY INSURANCE AND PUBLIC LIABILITY INSURANCE’
I find that terribly interesting.
Can anyone out there able to help me, please? I had always thought that that sort of insurance covered things like, say, a client coming into your office and being hit on the head when your framed certificate fell off the wall, but not, for instance, any damage done to them as a result of following your advice when, say, it contained a misplaced apostrophe which consequently led you to acting on it to your detriment.
Am I missing something somewhere in the great world of insured events, or has the world changed recently, or at least since I last had cause to insure for such things? Is there some new principle at work of which I am ignorant? If anyone out there can help fill me in on where I might be working on an outdated, or wrong, assumption, please do
- Bandini
September 28, 2016 at 11:14 pm -
The certificates from the prestigious Open College UK (you get two!) appear to come already attached to a wall, Ho Hum, so any claims could perhaps be directed towards them in the case of a nasty accident:
“All Open College UK [it’s not really a trademark] course packs automatically come with two FREE six month Memberships and two A4 size wall mounted Certificates into both the Open College UK and SFTR – Copyright. This is only available through us from this website only and nowhere else. A unique route of eligibility is available to all new students of our diploma awarded homestudy courses for these two Free Memberships & automatic Registration with the National UK Therapists Register if you should need it,…”
- Ho Hum
September 28, 2016 at 11:37 pm -
‘A unique route of eligibility is available to all new students of our diploma awarded homestudy courses for these two Free Memberships & automatic Registration with the National UK Therapists Register if you should need it,…”’
‘if you should need it’?
Brilliant! Unintentional humour is almost always the best….LOL
- tdf
September 28, 2016 at 11:53 pm -
Incidentally, on a change of subject, apparently the lead lawyer of the child abuse inquiry, Mr Emmerson, has been ‘suspended’ by Baroness Jay and the usual suspects on Twitter are rejoicing, ‘cos, you know, he’s ‘establishment’, inn he.
Gah.
I imagine our esteemed hostess will pen a suitable missive on the latest developments at some point. (no pressure, Anna! )
- tdf
- Ho Hum
- Bandini
- Ho Hum
- Mudplugger
September 29, 2016 at 9:25 pm -
From his imaginary lordship’s abysmal grammar, punctuation and sentence structure, I would advise that he purchase and download all the coursework essays for his forthcoming qualifications directly from the internet, resisting all temptations to edit them – believe me, after his editing, they could only ever be worse.
The shouty capitalised ‘insurance’ is, of course, of no use whatsoever to any clients disadvantaged by his incompetence – to cover that liability, he would need ‘Professional Indemnity Insurance’, a quite different matter, one which underwriters are careful only to provide for those operating to valid professional standards. This may go some way to explaining its absence here.
- Bandini
- Sue R Pipe
September 28, 2016 at 1:32 pm -
Thank you for coming on here Mr. Grayson.
Is there any reason why your terms and conditions do not include a term that you will perform the service with reasonable care and skill ?
- Ron Probo
September 28, 2016 at 1:50 pm -
My Lord:
1. Who are the partners in your firm and what is the name of the firm?
2. What is public indemnity insurance? Do you mean professional indemnity insurance?
3. Who is the insurer and how much was the premium?
4. Why do you need insurance when clause A of your terms of business purports to exclude legal liability to your clients? https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/logs.omnibuilder/undefined/45070c05-7fe0-453f-84e0-df45785bde08.pdf
5. Do you think the exclusion of liability referred to above is fair on your clients? Do you think it is consistent with the Consumer Rights Act 2015?
6. Why does the University of Westminster say that it does not offer the courses which you say you studied there? Has it agreed to your use of its logo?
I am not sure of the correct way to sign off when addressing a Lord, so I will go for “I remain your Lordship’s obedient servant, etc”, in the hope that I have got the apostrophe in the right place.
- The Blocked Dwarf
September 28, 2016 at 2:28 pm -
Working down the Diamond Mines has probably addled what brains I had to start with but isn’t there some kind of ‘official’ list of all the Lords, Ladies and assorted other HobNobs somewhere ? Especially them what is to the manor born, and not just the Lord Street-where-Tescos-is former cabinet member type.
- Ron Probo
September 28, 2016 at 3:04 pm -
The official list to which you refer is stored safely in the offices of JAFLAS.
- The Blocked Dwarf
September 28, 2016 at 3:56 pm -
I have just checked the College Of Arms roll of Peers and couldn’t find a ‘Grayson’. Make of that what yous all will, I’m sure the roll isn’t a complete list but…
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/peers-roll-contents
Another thing bugging me is that I have had the privilege of meeting several Nobles, both UK and Foreign, over the years -infact a quite famous one picks up his laundry in the shop below us-nad if there was one thing that defined them, that they all had in common, they were self effacing to the point of going red with embarrassment when showing me their ID which showed their title. I recall one ‘Lord’ glancing around furtively to make sure no one was listening before he confessed to his title. Not that he was in anyway ashamed of it or his royal heritage but Noblesse obliges those born with blood the colour of King George’s urine to be ‘gentleman’ and a gentleman NEVER flaunts his title, education, property nor wealth. I cannot imagine any real peer putting up such a ‘how to address a Lord’ article nor using it online.Thirdly, I was bugged by the use of the title ‘Lord’ before a christian name, as i thought ‘Fred Lord Boggyshire’ was the ‘usual’ way of doing it if the Nob held the title in his own right. However dear Old Wiki may have provided an answer (which might tie in with what Lord Grayson claims about being adopted):
“Lord” is also used as a courtesy title for some or all of the children of senior members of the peerage: for example the younger sons of dukes and marquesses are entitled to use the style “Lord (first name) (surname)”. As these titles are merely courtesy titles, the holder is not by virtue of the title a member of the peerage and is not entitled to use the definite article ‘The’ as part of the title.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Sue R Pipe
September 28, 2016 at 3:36 pm -
I am afraid Mark (if I can be so forward) that your charges are outrageous for San online forum. Let’s call it LordBytes.
- Sue R Pipe
September 28, 2016 at 3:38 pm -
I am afraid Mark (if I can be so forward) that your charges are outrageous for someone with no discernible legal qualifications.
You sound like a suitable candidate for an online forum. Let’s call it LordBytes.
- StandardBearer
September 28, 2016 at 3:51 pm -
“After our initial contact we meet for what is known as ‘The Con’”:
- Claire Silverstone
September 28, 2016 at 4:37 pm -
I had the pleasure of being in a room with Lord Grayson in court a few weeks ago. He was “representing” my ex husband. He’s either the 5th or 6th McKenzie friend that my ex has used in as many years of litigation. They ranged from very militant Fathers for Justice to very affable to ineffectual, this Lord Grayson falling into the latter category. He would not answer unless he was referred to as “Lord.” He had obviously taken a fee but had failed to even fill in the relevant form for court, and the judge refused him any audience because of this lack of courtesy. He was able to keep my ex calm and in check though, so maybe it was worth paying for a friend, where real ones were lacking, McKenzie or otherwise.
There are some good McKenzie services out there! This one lets the side down.
- The Blocked Dwarf
September 28, 2016 at 6:35 pm -
He would not answer unless he was referred to as “Lord.” -CS
The more i ponder this, the more i think wiki’s explanation that I posted above, is on the money…or the exorbitant fee, Lord Mark Grayson is the adopted scion (or not, as ‘scion’ are suppsoed to be ‘blood’ i think) of some noble house and as such would be entitled to use the purely courtesy moniker ‘Lord Mark Grayson’. This is furthered evidenced by the fact his ‘blurb’ goes out of it’s way to not claim membership of the peerage….or that he is an ‘hereditary Peer’. Further his use of ‘honourable’ is probably also a courtesy title.
(Again Wiki, forgive me) Courtesy prefix of “The Honourable”The younger sons of earls, along with all sons and daughters of viscounts, barons and lords of parliament are accorded the courtesy style of “The Honourable” before their name. This is usually abbreviated to “The Hon.” The title persists after the death of the holder’s father, but it may not be inherited by the holder’s children. It is used only in third person reference, not in speaking to the person.
So my mind he is strictly speaking entitled to style himself the Hon.Lord Mark Grayson but only an upstart/cad/bounder would insist on being addressed as such. I also wonder if the paternal lordship in question is a ‘real’ Lord or just one of the Laird/Lord Of Parliament ones.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- StandardBearer
September 28, 2016 at 5:51 pm -
I bet the judge didn’t address him as “Lord”. Was he wielding his solicitor’s briefcase?
If Lord Grayson is looking to expand and develop a northern presence, he should consider taking over the Joint Armed Forces Legal Advocacy Service. It could do with another trustee and he sounds like just the man.
- Claire silverstone
September 28, 2016 at 6:45 pm -
He told me he had earned the title, when I questioned him. But surely that would merit a return on a Google search.
Hmm
- Claire silverstone
September 28, 2016 at 6:47 pm -
He was very calm and not militant … though, which is an improvement on many I have met in family court.
- Martin long
September 28, 2016 at 9:17 pm -
Really this whole string I find totally unreasonable. Ifor people are willing to see the value in going to court with any individual and are willing to pay who cares. The basis to to the new little industry is down to the Conservative legislation on legal aid.Does it matter what people call themselves Tom dick or Harry if they are good at what they do who cares. I agree with regulation and anybody who had a criminalienable record of any sort should not be allowed into court especially when it comes to family … regulate this sector … get it done now then no more convenient merchants can enter this industry…
- Sue R Pipe
September 29, 2016 at 9:02 am -
If you are happy to be represented by a clown then you will look one.
- Ho Hum
September 29, 2016 at 11:42 am -
@ Anna
BTW, the pun in the title is one of your very best.
- Tim Newman
September 29, 2016 at 1:12 pm -
Very entertaining post!
Do you use the term MacKenzie instead of McKenzie deliberately? Is it a play on words?
- Jon123
September 29, 2016 at 1:13 pm -
I’ve spent/wasted a bit of time this morning searching online (Debretts, Burkes and elsewhere) looking for any information about the Grayson ‘title’ and can find nothing. There is/was a Grayson baronetcy (which wouldn’t give the title Lord) and the undoubtedly genuine and respectable Lord Rawlinson has Grayson as a middle name but nothing I could find suggests that Mark Grayson holds any title.
This is actually quite relevant since associating yourself with an aristocratic title (they are firmly and carefully regulated in the U.K.) does give a very clear impression of respectability, whereas creating an erroneous impression that you hold a title that either doesn’t exist or to which you have no right gives another equally clear but far less desirable impression.
Very worth finding out the exact basis upon which he uses the honorific ‘The Hon. Lord’, not least for his sake, to prevent any questions being raised about the good Lord’s character by anyone who may doubt his legal right to call himself any be addressed by others, including in court, as ‘The Hon. Lord’.
- Ron Probo
September 29, 2016 at 6:39 pm -
You forget that, as Grayson’s Legal, he provides precedent legal documents – including deed polls.
- The Blocked Dwarf
September 29, 2016 at 7:00 pm -
An Acco-L-Adi
Normally I would post this as an email , not a comment, but as The Landlady herself has mentioned here that she was painting my portrait in water colour I thought my fellows might be interested to learn just talented an artist she is…especially when one considers my boat race was only the second portrait she’s done (in order to get some practice in before immortalising Mr G in Winsor & Newton- just incase anyone was wondering why your Dwarf In Norfolk came to this undoubted honour).
I picked the painting up yesterday and returning to the Dwarf Hovel hung it, pride of place, on our living room wall (addendum: putting a fresh painting on a wall means the fact that the wall badly needs a new coat of Home Bastard White Emulsion suddenly becomes obvious even to me). I then spent the rest of the day being followed around the room by my own eyes, in other words she managed to get my ‘Natural Born PPISeller’ eyes as creepy on the painting as they are in real life. The Bestes Frau In The World expressed great admiration for the artist’s skill and even allowing for marital bias and psychosis she’s right.
Any Hoe, as they say round these parts, today was our day to babysit “Das Eichkatzl” (Squirrel) or Granddaughter2 (14 months, sweet enough to kill a diabetic and she knows it…dear God does she know it). Granddaughter stomped into the living room and saw the painting, pointed to it and said ‘potty’…no actually what she said was ‘Mama’ but she’s at that age when she still considers dogs to be ‘KatT!s’. She then corrected herself and identified the painting as being of her beloved ‘Opa’ (Granddad). Through out the day she was a pains to show me the painting that looked like me….no doubt incase her dear old Opa forgot who it was of in his dotage.
So if a 14 month old, admittedly somewhat precocious, child can instantly identify a painting’s subject then I reckon that’s about as unbiased criticism (in the right sense of the word) and as genuine an accolade as any painter could hope for.
- Bandini
September 29, 2016 at 7:53 pm -
Jonathan King posted a snap of his own portait on his site a while back, TBD. I’m as comfortable talking about art as I am about wine – I either like it or I don’t. And I did, very much so. Make sure it’s mounted high enough to keep those toddlers’ fingers well away!
- The Blocked Dwarf
September 30, 2016 at 12:23 am -
She seems to be a very fast learner. I saw the half finished portrait of Mr G and it is even better than her one of me.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Bandini
- Lisboeta
September 30, 2016 at 12:02 am -
Prompted by Anna’s comment re a Portuguese field of manure, I followed her cue. It seems that, in Portuguese, MSFTR is “massa seca de forragem total residual”. Roughly translated, that means “dry mass of the total residual forage”. Which probably conveys as much validity as ‘Lord’ Grayson’s other qualifications….
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