Waiting for Goddard – Part 263.
The indefatigable Sean O’ Neill Times £ has elicited the information that New Zealander Dame Lowell Goddard, hired to investigate British failure to investigate sexual abuse in British institutions, has so far this year spent a total of 74 working days, or almost 3 months, or £148,000 of taxpayer’s pounds, er, investigating the ‘local scene’ in New Zealand and Australia.
Little wonder that she was struggling with the ‘local law‘ in little ol’ Britain the other day.
Or is it? When she was hired, one of the specific recommendations, exhaustively tested by the Home Affairs Committee, was whether she had any ‘establishment links’. She professed so little knowledge of the meaning of ‘establishment’ that she had to ask for clarification of the question.
Asked if she considered herself part of the “establishment”, Justice Goddard said: “We don’t have such a thing in my country.
“I did have to ask carefully exactly what is meant by it so that I did understand what I was being asked to disclose.
“My understanding [of the question] is – do I have any links into any institution or any person relevant to the subject matter of the inquiry? And no, I don’t.”
It was an ambivalent answer to a straightforward question. A fresh face then, a complete outsider? A little delve into her background avoiding the usual PR spin, and we find that Lowell Goddard should have understood that question only too well.
She may be a New Zealander, indeed proud of her Maori heritage, and I’m sure we can all overlook her being voted 63rd out of 63 New Zealand judges because somebody had to come last. The register was compiled from comments by legal professionals in New Zealand, and contains some interesting comments against Lowell Goddard’s name.
The register appears on a news website, ‘Kiwifirst’, run by Vince Siemer, ‘a serial litigant, and critic of the New Zealand judiciary’. I would urge caution in taking some of his statements literally; however one did prod my interest. Lowell Goddard’s ‘four marriages’. I could only find evidence of one previous marriage, but that was interesting enough.
How do you reconcile ‘not knowing what the establishment is’ with marriage to the Joint Master of the North Pennine Hunt, patron of the British Association for Shooting and Conservation, patron of The National Association of Beaters and Pickers Up, ‘fourth generation farmer’ of some 4,000 acres of Scottish arable land, not to mention a minor baronetcy – and a close association with the BBC. (Some reports state that he has a seat in the House of Lords – untrue, that is a different John Scott!)
This is the John Scott that Lowell was married to.
Sir Walter John Scott, 5th Bt. was born on 24 February 1948. He is the son of Major Sir Walter Scott, 4th Bt. and Diana Mary Owen. He and Lowell Patria Goddard were divorced. He married, firstly, Lowell Patria Goddard, daughter of S/Ldr. Pat Vaughan Goddard, on 5 July 1969.
He made the long running BBC series ‘Clarissa and the Countryman’ with Clarissa Dickson-Wright, so the BBC can scarcely claim to be ignorant of his existence. Yet it was the BBC who cheerfully reported that the new incumbent in the #CSA hot seat ‘had no establishment links’ indeed, didn’t even know what the word meant.
Every mainstream news outlet has stuck to the ‘Goddard and her husband, Chris Hodson QC, moved to London last year’, emphasizing her ‘outsider status’. Reporting that she ‘doesn’t understand’ the local law in this quaint little island half a globe away from her normal habitat.
We are assured that her working and holiday entitlement £148,000 worth of days travelling in the southern hemisphere doesn’t mean she’s not working – she is in constant internet contact with her office.
If her several years worth of marriage into the British establishment, and that was certainly not conducted solely by internet – she has a daughter by Sir John – didn’t enable her to pick up a little local jargon like ‘establishment’, then spending precisely half of her available working time this year (74 out of 150) isn’t going to help her pick up ‘local law’.
At this rate she will make Chilcot look like Speedy Gonzales.
- duncan binks
August 4, 2016 at 12:54 pm -
Cracking piece of investigation! I’ll look out for the MSM ‘exclusive’ in a few weeks’ time.
- Jim
August 4, 2016 at 1:36 pm -
Absolutely disgusting and hypocritical. An Establishment woman get the Establishment to rally round to con the rest of us that she is not Establishment!
Don’t you get sickened sometimes!! - The Blocked Dwarf
August 4, 2016 at 2:45 pm -
Time and time again when reading you posts, AR, I think to my dwarfish self : Why does it it take some infirm elderly (whose looks bely her age of course!) ‘gal’ in the back of beyond of Norfolk to question that which to my mind a serious journalist on his lunch break on google might reasonably expect to ‘uncover’?
I mean, any ‘chum’ of CDW is by definition pretty much 1.’establishment since the Norman conquest’ and 2.’not unknown among the right circles and you can bet that ‘”Johnny’s Ex” is mentioned at the right dinner parties.
*I’m working on the assumption that The Landlady not only knew CDW but probably still has the Stirrup cup she gave her for Xmas one year*
- GG
August 4, 2016 at 2:50 pm -
This is a scoop and one with – as I happen to know from other sources – serious implications. Congratulations!
Here’s hoping someone who reads this blog has access to Scott’s local newspapers from the early 1970s, in which case we may learn some more about this lady.
- dearieme
August 4, 2016 at 3:01 pm -
“of some 4,000 acres of Scottish arable land”: given that so much of Scotland isn’t arable, that’s a nice plot.
“not to mention a minor baronetcy”: what the devil is a ‘minor’ baronetcy?
Still, I wonder if you are missing the point. The establishment that it is essential that she’s not part of is the establishment of Westminster and Whitehall, of the media, and of the police and legal system. I can’t see why it would matter much that she’s familiar with a few fox-chasers in the North. Indeed, it might be that from her friends in the north all she’s picked up is a contempt for, and distrust of, the London-based establishment.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 4, 2016 at 3:06 pm -
she’s picked up is a contempt for, and distrust of, the London-based establishment.
Also a point worthy of consideration but whichever you turn it, marriage to a landed Gentry and a , however minor,Peer does kinda make one part of the Established Order…even if one is a colonial.
- dearieme
August 4, 2016 at 7:20 pm -
A baronet is not a peer. And the Established Order is not the point, otherwise every CoE vicar or army Major would be part of the establishment.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 4, 2016 at 7:30 pm -
“otherwise every CoE vicar or army Major would be part of the establishment.”
Which is pretty much how ‘Establishment’ seems to be defined.
- dearieme
August 4, 2016 at 9:11 pm -
It wasn’t what was meant when the term was introduced. It’s pretty empty-headed to take about an Establishment full of people like vicars, for heaven’ sake.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 4, 2016 at 9:19 pm -
I don’t disagree but submit this from the bbc press release about the resignation: “The inquiry was set up to investigate allegations made against local authorities, religious organisations, the armed forces and public and private institutions in England and Wales, as well as people in the public eye. “
- Ho Hum
August 4, 2016 at 9:21 pm -
She saw through that when she realised that it didn’t include people in the Private Eye
- Ho Hum
- The Blocked Dwarf
- dearieme
- The Blocked Dwarf
- dearieme
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Alexander Baron
August 4, 2016 at 5:17 pm -
If we really want a proud New Zealander of Maori, I suggest one of the Runga sisters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok8Vd_cGd-s&list=PLipaCGd19k6UsiRCDzLY52RFyTlpUJTnI&index=7
- David
August 4, 2016 at 5:35 pm -
I beleive she may have been in Australia talking to the secret service, as there is no private way of doing in in the UK
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 6:26 pm -
What a relief – the spooks still haven’t nabbed him!
How do you manage to continually give ’em the slip, David? Do you rub yourself down with lard each morning, Charlie Bronson-style?On the subject of Australia, couldn’t a meeting a little closer to her temporary-home have been arranged, in, er, secret? Presumably beyond the capabilities of the secret service…
- David
August 4, 2016 at 7:31 pm -
WHY DID JUSTICE GODDARD VISIT AUSTRALIA
Why did justice Goddard take extra time to visit Australia on a fact finding visit? Why did she just not phone them from the UK?And why did she see it as such an important issue that she needed to take the time to visit Australia?
The Goddard Inquiry was set up because of the investigation into ‘establishment cover ups’, over evidence given by ‘Nick’ into VIP child abuse, and murder. But the only individual, identified as a possible victim of murder, was Martin Allen.
I have been told that Justice Goddard was very interested in the Martin Allen case long before I wrote to her in New Zealand. Even though I had sent her four pages of information, she responded asking for more details. I sent a link to a web-site, which I later had to take down before she was able to view it.
However I think that she still views the Martin Allen case as the key to whether there was an establishment cover up of VIP abuse. The Australian secret service investigated the case because of the involvement of the Australian High Commission in London, as Martin’s father worked there.
If there was a cover up in the Martin Allen case, and it is beginning to look as if that was the case, then it will be of significant interest for the rest of her work into child abuse in the UK.
- Ho Hum
August 4, 2016 at 7:35 pm -
You wrote to her?
Well, you must have frightened her off. No getting bumped off by the SS for her
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36982049
No part 265 for Anna, either – assuming Part 264 will be a valedictory…..
- David
August 4, 2016 at 7:44 pm -
#Breaking Dame Lowell Goddard resigns from Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse, Home Secretary says.
- David
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 4, 2016 at 8:20 pm -
The Australian secret service investigated the case because of the involvement of the Australian High Commission in London, as Martin’s father worked there.
Oh yes, cos the full might of the Australian SS swung into action to ‘investigate’ (do they have an investigative arm ?!) the disappearance of the son of a lowly chauffeur. I’m pretty sure, and I know a little something about such things, the Australians would have gone out of their way to let the Met deal with it as the Kid was, and maybe still is, a Brit.
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest to learn MA changed his name and now runs a Chippy in Catford.
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 8:55 pm -
Correct me if I’m wrong, David, but didn’t you claim elsewhere that the Dame’s Inquiry later came to view your outpourings of ‘information’ as less than welcome?
What on earth does the case-with-which-you-are-obsessesed have to do with, say, abuse in the church? None whatsoever.
“If there was a cover up in the Martin Allen case, and it is beginning to look as if that was the case…”
Eh?!? But you’ve been telling us all you’d more or less solved it! MI6 and whatnot!- tdf
August 5, 2016 at 3:59 am -
I think I’ve discovered Ireland’s answer to David.
“I believe this car may have, or may not have, belonged to a man who I have been told was a member of a prayer group that Philip had joined in Ballyroan. ”
https://www.facebook.com/gareth.ocallaghan.1/?fref=nf
- tdf
- Ho Hum
- David
- windsock
August 5, 2016 at 7:59 am -
Because Australia does not co-operate with UK in seciroty matters…
Dies it?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UKUSA_Agreement
- windsock
August 5, 2016 at 8:00 am -
AAARGH … early morning spelling
“security matters”
“does it?”- David
August 5, 2016 at 8:15 am -
The British secret Service are not willing to expose their operatives who were involved. The Australian Secret Service talk directly to Justice Goddard in private, with no eavesdropping. You seem to have forgotten why the enquiry was set up in the first place? It came from the investigation into abuse and murder by VIPs and MPs . Goddard has been complaining for a long time about interference in her inquiry by ‘others’.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 5, 2016 at 11:14 am -
It came from the investigation into abuse and murder by VIPs and MPs
No.
It came from the investigation into the allegations of abuse and murder by VIPs and MPs . A critical thinker with a logical mind might add ‘fantastical allegations’, the rest of us would just say ‘a load of deluded bollocks and lies’.
- Bandini
August 5, 2016 at 11:38 am -
David’s daydreaming as usual.
The original letter from what David Hencke labelled ‘the magnificent seven MPs’ (including Danczuk, Watson, Goldsmith & Hemming) was gloriously scatter-shot in its demands. It was Hencke who helped cobble this together at the behest of Goldsmith:a. Operation Fernbridge – Richmond: Elm Guest House and Grafton Close Children’s Home, Norbiton, Weybridge & Petersham
b. Operation Orchid – Hackney and Islington
c. The Geoffrey Dickens’ dossiers – and Monkton Street home for Mentally Handicapped Children, Lambeth
d. Sir Cyril Smith – Rochdale, including Knowl View Special School
e. HM Customs & Excise – Russell Tricker videos
f. Trafficking involving British businessmen in Amsterdam
g. Warwick Spinks – Amsterdam & Prague
h. “Jane” alleged rape by a man who went on to become a Cabinet ministerWe would ask that the panel examines:
i. why detailed dossiers – such as the documents submitted to the Home Office by the late Geoffrey Dickens – have disappeared
ii. why Police surveillance videos – said to be of prominent people who have been involved in paedophile rings – have gone missing
iii. why child pornography videos seized by HM Customs & Excise have been lost or destroyed
iv. why investigations appear repeatedly to have been stalled or abandoned over the last thirty years… etc.And it was all downhill from there…
- Bandini
- The Blocked Dwarf
- David
- windsock
- Bandini
- Fat Steve
August 4, 2016 at 5:43 pm -
Why the surprise Anna ??? though I concede one might have expected a little more subtlery from our Lords and Masters.
- Jonathan King
August 4, 2016 at 6:12 pm -
Echoing the sentiment of many who visit this site; what the hell is wrong with the mainstream media these days? Great stories under their nose. Can’t be that they, like judges, are not allowed to be drunk on duty anymore. Perhaps alcohol might provide them with a much needed boost.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 4, 2016 at 6:38 pm -
Alcohol deficiency may well be a factor but nicotine deficiency is without doubt the major cause of plummeting journalistic standards. You cannot write or research a story if you have to keep leaving the keyboard and tottering downstairs to join the rest of the Legion Of The Damned outside. There is a reason why nearly all the great journalists of yesteryear were smokers, often pipe smokers. Ask any smoker who writes or is in anyway artistic, things just simply go better in a bluish haze, ideas come more readily.
Fruchtlos ohne die Zigarre die Gedanken ich erharre; Witz und Phantasie entfliehn. Jedes Blatt in meinem Kranze stammt von der geliebten Pflanze, ist getränkt mit Nikotin.
A Blocked Dwarf QUick N Dirty trans? But of course…
“Fruitless without a cigar, my thoughts dormant.
Wit & fantasy have fled.
Every leaf of my laurels
comes from the beloved plant
is soaked in nicotine” – some German poet sometime when women still covered their ankles and no one had yet dreamt of tearing around the countryside at the insane speed of 14kmh.- Ho Hum
August 4, 2016 at 7:41 pm -
I could almost have believed that that, including a couple of judicious mistranslations, was written by Bill Clinton of the Latter Day Pokehers
- Ho Hum
- Ljh
August 5, 2016 at 8:37 am -
The decline is because they’re all graduates these days, tainted by student aspiration, and all peddling a “progressive” narrative, utterly unfit to get down and dirty with the facts, incapable of cynicism. Old style hacks went straight from school to the local papers where they honed their skills eyeballing the local mayor, asking themselves “Why is this lying git lying to me?”.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Fat Steve
August 4, 2016 at 7:25 pm -
Three Husband she admits to
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2953998/Ruling-class-job-without-fear-favour-says-judge-leading-child-sex-abuse-inquiry.html
I am a little dubious (having had some experience in paying for horses) that horses could ever be described as an ordinary pass time. Sure one can muck out the stables oneself though being a Barrister (I wanted Darling Daughter to have adequate time to study so it was full livery for two horses which is not so different from a further set of private school fees annually…..out of taxed income of course) doesn’t really give adequate time to so do. I used to remark that on a £ per hour bum on seat or bum on saddle a week end Ferrari was waaaay cheaper. - Carol42
August 4, 2016 at 7:37 pm -
Well that didn’t take long! I see the good judge has resigned,
- Fat Steve
August 4, 2016 at 7:52 pm -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36982049
Used to be called the Curse of Gnome but perhaps its now its called the Curse of Madame Raccoon- Carol42
August 5, 2016 at 11:53 pm -
How about suggestions of the names of people we would like to see the curse visited upon.
- @tdf
August 6, 2016 at 12:03 am -
Isn’t Nigel Farage free?
- @tdf
- Carol42
- Fat Steve
- Cascadian
August 4, 2016 at 7:54 pm -
And she has resigned, it would seem Mrs May (former Home Secretary) is a very poor judge of talent-three “chairs” have now resigned and the investigation is no further ahead.
Perhaps I may offer a suggestion, open the selection of the next person to WOG’s (white old guys) or abandon the futile search for truth amongst the Exaro and twatson-enamoured portions of society. Nothing significant can be achieved after such a lapse of time, concentrate budgets on securing a safer future for children in the present. - tdf
August 4, 2016 at 7:56 pm -
So she resigned? It seems that she can’t take a bit of media criticism (relatively mild, by the standards of the UK press) which in itself suggests she wasn’t all that great a choice in the first place.
- Don Cox
August 4, 2016 at 8:00 pm -
They are getting down to the dregs now. There are no unbiassed and distinguished persons left.
The enquiry would be best run by a castrated Martian.
- Don Cox
- David
August 4, 2016 at 8:01 pm -
Justice Goddard must have been told by the Australian secret Service that M.I.6 are not going to allow their operatives to be exposed.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 4, 2016 at 8:21 pm - Ho Hum
August 4, 2016 at 8:48 pm -
Boris Johnson’s privates are safe then?
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 8:59 pm -
Do the Australians routinely ‘rat’ on the other members of Five Eyes, David? I’m no expert, but…
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Alexander Baron
August 4, 2016 at 8:19 pm - suffolkgirl
August 4, 2016 at 8:38 pm -
I think the problem is that no one shrewd enough to do the job will take it on, which number includes most white old guys at the top of the legal tree. I doubt if Lowell Goddard was May’s first choice or even her seventh. I’m fascinated to see who can be press ganged into the role next. Unfortunately I don’t think spending the money on something useful is a politically feasible option.
- Ho Hum
August 4, 2016 at 8:45 pm -
That Trump fella is going to be free in December
- Ho Hum
- Ho Hum
August 4, 2016 at 8:54 pm -
As resignation letters go, though, it’s pretty enigmatic, isn’t it?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-36980938
- suffolkgirl
August 4, 2016 at 9:08 pm -
Yes I thought that. The information about husband number 1 seems to have been around for some time, though no one quite joined up the dots with Ms Racoon’s delightful venom. I wonder if the fight back by the Janner family has made her rethink her career options?
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 9:15 pm -
I think even with the riches on offer it’s an impossible task. Who’d want their name attached to it when the likely outcome is a recommendation for mandatory reporting (within limits), restrictions on the influence insurers can bring to bear and, er, that’s about it!
Time to break it up into more manageable pieces (and scrap some others).- tdf
August 5, 2016 at 12:58 am -
^ “Time to break it up into more manageable pieces (and scrap some others).”
That seems sensible. I’ve thought all along that the remit is simply too broad and wide-ranging.
Initially the focus was supposed to have been on ‘VIP/Westminster paedo networks’. I think Zac Goldsmith (or if not he, one of the other ‘Gang of 7’ MP’s that had been lobbying for an inquiry) put together a draft suggested remit back in 2014 with a focus very much on the EGH allegations. This proposal never really went anywhere as a proposed Terms of Reference – which was fair enough. The EGH stuff didn’t stack up. Not enough basis for an inquiry based on tales from Fay et al. They then seemed to have gone to the other extreme entirely and made it too broad.
- tdf
August 5, 2016 at 10:49 pm -
Matthew Scott agrees with me that the terms are too broad.
- tdf
- tdf
- Bandini
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 9:10 pm -
“Many victims and survivors of child sexual abuse may be seeking more than financial compensation, or outcomes other than those currently available through the civil justice system in England and Wales.” – Goddard on the IICSA website today:
https://www.iicsa.org.uk/news/inquiry-seeks-views-criminal-compensation-and-civil-justice-systemStrikes me as very ‘survivor’ unfriendly language, suggesting there are those who want ‘more’ than cold hard cash, but with the P.I. vultures circling (and pushing) the inquiry a hint of what a lot of it’s about.
- Ho Hum
August 4, 2016 at 9:18 pm -
Who knows? But maybe she got voted into that coveted 63rd place because it rankled everyone else a great deal when they realised that she was the only one smart enough to recognise, and duck out from, a poisoned chalice when she saw it?
_^.^_
- Ho Hum
- suffolkgirl
- tdf
August 4, 2016 at 8:56 pm -
Rumours she resigned because of concerns about Home Office interference? Mind you Mark Watts is one of those touting the rumours, so I wouldn’t necessarily take them as gospel.
- dearieme
August 4, 2016 at 9:12 pm -
The resignation proves that Anna Raccoon is part of the establishment. Congrats on the promotion.
- Fat Steve
August 4, 2016 at 9:15 pm -
@Darienne The resignation proves that Anna Raccoon is part of the establishment.
Gosh False Flag and All That
- Fat Steve
- Fat Steve
August 4, 2016 at 9:13 pm -
Loads of Fun to be had
a) Predicting her Replacement
b) Speculating as to conspiracy theories as to why she resigned ….David I undertand you have an ability both to connect dots and see dots that no one else can see so please your take on the situation.
I am pretty sure its all to do with Goddards age and numerology ….she is 66 and I am sure there is another 6 to be found somewhere ….Does the Maori spelling of Goddard consist of six letter? - suffolkgirl
August 4, 2016 at 9:15 pm -
Well, I hope so but my fingers are staying crossed until then…..
- Joe Public
August 4, 2016 at 9:28 pm -
Who’ll nominate our landlady?
*innocent face*
- suffolkgirl
August 4, 2016 at 9:32 pm -
Very interesting. Bandini. I wonder if she has simply realised that the whole set up leaves her vulnerable from all sides, given its inherent lack of rigour. As I said earlier, the fight back from the Janner camp may have given her a taste of how things may play out in the media.
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 9:46 pm -
It’d certainly be a record-breaking plate-juggling act if anyone could carry it off, keeping both the vocal ‘campaigners’ AND those interested in justice happy! Even the list of the 13 investigations is absurd – who could get their head around it all?
I don’t see why an inquiry into Lambeth Council (one of those investigations) needs mixing up with one into ‘The Internet’ (another one, amazingly).And all the while having to pass cases onto the police at a rate of 100 a month (which makes me think it’s becoming the first port of call for complainants).
- Bandini
- suffolkgirl
August 4, 2016 at 10:14 pm -
I haven’t picked up the point about referring 100 cases a month. Is this a term of her brief?
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 10:36 pm -
“Extent of child sexual abuse in England and Wales begins to become clear as inquiry passes on 100 cases a month… … Simon Bailey, head of the national coordinating unit Operation Hydrant, said his team was expecting to be given 30,000 reports of new child sexual offences by the end of the Goddard inquiry, and predicted the rate of referrals of allegations of abuse would increase.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/may/19/child-sex-abuse-police-expect-30000-goddard-inquiry-cases
So not her brief but just what the Inquiry has become – a clearing house for the disaffected.
- Bandini
- tdf
August 4, 2016 at 10:48 pm -
But surely it is part of the inquiry’s brief to refer to the police cases which they fell are not suitable for them as they have never been put in the hands of police.
Of course, it may well be the case that the numbers involved turned out to be higher than expected.
- tdf
August 4, 2016 at 10:55 pm -
- Bandini
August 4, 2016 at 10:57 pm -
Not just those that are ‘not suitable for them’ but ALL cases:
“Any allegation of child abuse received by the Inquiry will be referred to the Police”
- Bandini
- IlovetheBBC
August 4, 2016 at 11:02 pm -
Anna, a tweeter has proposed you for Chair
- tdf
August 4, 2016 at 11:55 pm -
Btw, speaking of the expected duration of the Inquiry formerly Known as Goddard, a Chilcott duration strikes me as optimistic. The Irish inquiry took 10 years, give or take, and the remit was a good deal smaller. The task managed to only exhaust two chairmen in the course of the 10 years, so a somewhat better record on staff turnover.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_to_Inquire_into_Child_Abuse
- A Potted Plant
August 5, 2016 at 1:10 am -
I’m the Secret Chief of M.I.99, so I outrank them all! I ordered Goddard to resign, because I don’t like the way she does her hair.
Cue Johnny’s “Secret Agent Man”, please… - tdf
August 5, 2016 at 1:26 am - Alexander Baron
August 5, 2016 at 1:32 am -
I suggest they appoint Elizabeth Loftus and Demosthenes Lorandos, two people who understand what is really going on here.
That nutter Saunders commented on her resignation on the news. That shows the flavour of it.
- Jonathan Mason
August 5, 2016 at 3:37 am -
Well, the whole thing is ludicrous, because there never was a massive establishment conspiracy to cover up paedophile gangs and all the rest of it. Sure, there may have been a number of former public-schoolboy MPs who used rough trade teenage male prostitutes to remind them of their fagmaster days at Eton, and maybe fatty MP Cyril Smith was a perv, but that is about the measure of it. No one who is at all serious could ever get to the bottom of things, if you will excuse the expression, especially since the forgone conclusion never happened.
I would like to nominate Donald Trump to lead the enquiry. I imagine he would have it wrapped up in 48 hours and conclude that the allegators are all liars.
- Mzungu
August 5, 2016 at 7:38 am -
And if that conclusion (albeit true) is politically unacceptable, I can understand why no one would want the role.
- Mzungu
- JuliaM
August 5, 2016 at 10:38 am -
“We are assured that her working and holiday entitlement £148,000 worth of days travelling in the southern hemisphere doesn’t mean she’s not working – she is in constant internet contact with her office.”
I couldn’t claim to be ‘in constant contact with my office’ just travelling round the UK, such are the black spots & barely-there hotspots in some parts of the country!
- Bandini
August 5, 2016 at 11:21 am -
And nevermind the massive time difference between the two continents!
- Bandini
- Bandini
August 5, 2016 at 12:14 pm -
“Peter Saunders, from the National Association of People Abused in Childhood and a member of the inquiry’s victims and survivors panel, said:
“I personally wonder whether or not we actually need a chair; maybe it is too much of a burden for one person… Everything is finally taking off and I don’t think we should be too distracted by the unfortunate departure of just one person.””http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-36982049
- Bandini
August 5, 2016 at 12:15 pm -
“…while panel members were each receiving £565 a day.”
- Bandini
August 5, 2016 at 12:33 pm -
Another voting for the ship-without-a-rudder option (I think):
“But Graham Wilmer, who established the Lantern Project, which helps victims of sexual abuse, and was a member of the abuse inquiry panel under its second chair, Dame Fiona Woolf, told Today the existing structure was “far too complicated”.
He said: “There are just too many people involved trying to cause difficulties for this inquiry, and I think the best solution now would be not to have a chair but to appoint one of the very capable existing panel members. The infrastructure is superb. It’s a massive inquiry but it has got some massive resources. They just need to be allowed to get on with it.””
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/aug/05/child-abuse-victims-say-inquiry-must-continue-lowell-goddard-resignation- Don Cox
August 5, 2016 at 7:19 pm -
Massive resources paid for by the taxpayers.
- Don Cox
- Bandini
- Trevor
August 5, 2016 at 8:23 pm -
Mansfield would be good but would probably not be acceptable to the establishment.
Mansfield? Michael of the luxurious coiffure? I can’t conceive of a problem for which Mansfield would be the solution.
- tdf
August 11, 2016 at 12:18 am -
David Rose has written an article in the Mail saying that “of the 44 days supposedly ‘working’ in Australia”, Goddard “held only two meetings with members of a child abuse inquiry underway there.”
He is an award-winning journalist, and therefore never wrong (ho ho!).
That said, the UK taxpayer might expect that Goddard should answer his claims, if she disagrees with or wishes to challenge them.
- tdf
August 11, 2016 at 3:54 pm -
I am reading that Alexis Jay is to replace Goddard.
- tdf
August 11, 2016 at 5:42 pm -
Interesting blogpost from Liz Davies:
https://lizdavies.net/2016/08/11/goodbye-goddard-though-i-never-said-hello/
Those looking for reasons to bash her as a leader of a ‘witch-hunt’ or ‘moral panic’ may be disappointed.
In fact, among her criticisms of the current inquiry structure is that she states : “I do not think it is the role of the interviewer to ‘believe’ the survivor.”- Bandini
August 12, 2016 at 11:37 am -
Nope, she doesn’t disappoint! You might have included the next sentence in that quote, TDF:
“I do not think it is the role of the interviewer to ‘believe’ the survivor. This does not mean that I think a survivor might be lying.”
Well that’s all clear! There are however a couple of good points: the exclusion of non-sexual abuse from the inquiry & also that it has “conflated child sexual abuse within institutions with the failure of institutions to respond effectively to sexual abuse.” But she soon seems to forget this point & disappears down the rabbithole. And I had to laugh at this:
“I was invited to a surreal, lengthy conversation with the Home Office just prior to Goddard’s appointment and I still don’t know what that was about but they did ask me a lot of questions about how I might envisage an Inquiry best working.
I suggested purchasing a large, comfortably furnished house with experienced, trained professionals conducting interviews in a super-relaxed way avoiding at all costs the severity of a court environment. I didn’t hear any more from them.”Much is made of the information & dossiers she has handed over to the police and others which goes missing or is not acted upon:
“Also, I know for certain that they could not possibly process the complex information [given to the police] accurately without my involvement.”She hasn’t heard back (a recurrent theme) and this can only mean either a cover-up or lack of interest in protecting children; the notion that her information – so ‘complex’ that without her to explain it it cannot be understood – might not really be quite the powder-keg she believes it to be never pops into her mind. Let’s have a look to see if we can gauge its quality, and why not start here:
“…and yet Islington children were sent on holiday to the Jersey home Haut de la Garenne…”
Whoa, nelly! Where does THAT come from? If you recall we had a discussion not so long ago about Davies’ fascination with a postcard supposedly sent from Jersey by a boy in care; she thought this was the ‘proof’ of something or other. That boy – now a man – had NO memory of abuse & yet after being therapised & forming a campaigning group with Davies remembered that he most definitely HAD been abused and was even to name an abuser – a long-held target of Davies (who from memory was indeed a child abuser).
I think we were in agreement that this ‘un-earthing’ of abuse ought to raise an eyebrow. And we were also in agreement that Davies’ daft observation that the photograph on the postcard – a famous castle – was spookily ‘close’ to HDLG was absurd: Jersey is so small that it would be difficult to imagine a postcard featuring a well-known landmark that WASN’T ‘close’ to HDLG.
I have no way of knowing whether or not Davies has dug-up more information but have the sneaking suspicion that the bold statement – “Islington children were sent on holiday to the Jersey home Haut de la Garenne” – is based on ‘proof’ of a similar calibre. Has that ‘castle closeness’ transmogrified into ‘he was at HDLG!!!’?
[She links to an old article: children’s remains, “innocent-sounding sailing trips”, etc. I had enough of this the last time around…]
Carrying on in a similar vein:
“We know why abuse has continued over the decades and who profits from it [grubby bastards flogging images on the dark net?]. We know it is a remunerative industry which continues to thrive on the suffering of children and their families. We know that it cannot continue without colluders and facilitators procuring and delivering vulnerable children into the hands of perpetrators.”You know what she’s on about – that nationwide high-powered ring she thinks exists: “I have met survivors adopted by rich people who abused them and networked them to other abusers.” Did you see that interview/discussion with Matthew Parris (Channel 4?), already a few years old? He was unimpressed with these claims of high-powered networks & she wasn’t in a position to prove them then; has anything changed?
Surely the following is not referring to who I think it does? “I think of an Islington survivor who since the 60s has been worried sick about his friend from care who disappeared and still no-one has investigated this.”
The ‘missing-link’ between Billy Cotton’s Ragtime Jazz Band, Leon Brittan & Ted Heath… oh, for God’s sake. The friend with whom he lost touch (or who ‘disappeared’) in the 19fucking60s is probably sat on a beach enjoying his retirement! What possible investigation could take place here? Don’t the Salvation Army help with this sotrt of thing?
(Anyway, he’s a full-on supporter of ‘Nick’, has spread so much baseless rubbish & libelled innocent people and his site was set-up & his story written there by another nasty stirring ‘campaigner’ of whom Mark Williams-Thomas seems unaccountably fond. I can no longer find the story on said site…)One last thing – Davies was only one of very many people working in the field of child protection. She seems to think her ‘dossiers’ have all gone missing and that the police & other authorities are not taking her claims seriously: it’s an uphill struggle. Shouldn’t we wonder where are all the other social workers who must be aware of her claims being true, if indeed they are? Why do we not hear their voices? Are they ALL in on it?
- tdf
August 12, 2016 at 8:50 pm -
“I do not think it is the role of the interviewer to ‘believe’ the survivor. This does not mean that I think a survivor might be lying.”
Well, to be fair, the second sentence is at least open to the interpretation that she never thinks a survivor is lying, but some might be delusional, or mis-remember, or falsely remember.
“If you recall we had a discussion not so long ago about Davies’ fascination with a postcard supposedly sent from Jersey by a boy in care; she thought this was the ‘proof’ of something or other.”
She also records meeting an alleged survivor with stamps on his passport from countries that he has no recollection of ever visiting. It is not clear whether this refers to the Islington/Jersey alleged survivor or to an entirely different person. In any case, it is, of course, possible to forge passports (relatively easy, with the right know-how and technology – I’ve personally seen and reported examples, when I worked in banking) so I’m guessing it is possible to forge passport stamps also.
“Did you see that interview/discussion with Matthew Parris (Channel 4?), already a few years old?”
Yes, I recall it.
“Surely the following is not referring to who I think it does? “I think of an Islington survivor who since the 60s has been worried sick about his friend from care who disappeared and still no-one has investigated this.””
I have a feeling it might be!
- tdf
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