‘Saint’ Nick and the Fantasist Club.
Someone had a sense of humour at Operation Midland, when they psuedo-named their prime ‘witness’ as Nick.
I am indebted to Bob Woffinden, in his excellent book ‘The Nicholas Cases‘*, for alerting me to the fact that ‘Nicholas’, before he became the patron saint of small children hoping to accept sweeties from a stranger who comes down the chimney at Christmas time, was better known to the ancient world as the patron saint of the Falsely Accused.
Nicholas, Bishop of Myra in Byzantine times, intervened in the execution of three men falsely accused and forced their accuser to repent, saving their lives; he had earlier been falsely accused himself in another matter. Later, another three soldiers successfully prayed to Nicholas when they themselves were falsely accused. It was only when Nicholas anonymously donated bags of gold to a destitute family that he acquired his ‘saintly’ reputation as the generous giver of Yuletide gifts – even the ancient ‘papyrus and lampblack ink’ media were suckers for such a story and preferred to ignore tales of false accusation, it seems.
Back to the inappropriately named ‘Nick’ of Operation Midland. I have always pondered why we never hear of the carpenter’s son, or grocer’s son as a paedophile – paedophilia appears to be an affliction that only comes on a man in later life when he joins the Tory party and acquires a sizeable fortune. Thus it was in the case of Ted Heath. Heath was alleged to be one of the many famous people who had abused the young ‘Nick’.
Back at the beginning of August last year, Superintendent Sean Memory stood in front of the gates outside Heath’s house in Wiltshire and announced:
“This is an appeal for victims: in particular, if you have been the victim of any crime from Sir Ted Heath or any historical sexual offence, or you are a witness or you have any information about this, then please come forward.”
A mere five weeks later, Operation Conifer was established on the 6th September 2015. Appealing for witnesses five weeks before an investigation starts suggests to me that something is amiss – but then again, in this case the information was laid by a retired ‘senior police officer’ who had come forward at the end of 2014 claiming that he ‘had been aware’ that a trial had been ‘stopped’ because the defendant threatened to name Heath in connection with child sexual abuse.
By supreme good fortune for those of us who prefer to take our news from trustworthy sources rather than disgruntled ex-policemen, who have something of a tarnished reputation when it comes to coming home from the pub and phoning up helplines calling for information on child abuse, the Barrister in this allegedly ‘stopped court case’ was none other than Mathew Scott – better known to us as ‘barristerblogger’.
Mathew Scott cheerfully and comprehensively demolished the claims of this ‘senior officer’, showing that the case was stopped because two of the prosecution’s witnesses failed to turn up, and another, already in prison for another offence baulked at the point of going into the witness box. Myra Forde, his client, had never mentioned Ted Heath to him.
In addition, the prosecution barrister, Nigel Seed QC, a judge by the time of this new bout of allegations, further agreed that the prosecution against Myra Forde was stopped because his three witnesses, all sex workers, failed to turn up leaving him with no choice but to offer no evidence.
Within hours, Myra’s Solicitor, Richard Griffiths, had released a statement on behalf of Myra:
“My former client wishes me to make it very clear that at no stage did she state that Ted Heath was a client and at no stage did she threaten to expose him as a client of hers if the prosecution was continued.
For the avoidance of any doubt Myra Forde wishes me to make it clear that she had no involvement with Ted Heath of any kind and has no knowledge of any misconduct on his part.”
So, for the avoidance of doubt. A retired Police Officer makes a claim that a court case was dropped ‘because of the involvement of Ted Heath and child sexual abuse’ – the Prosecuting Barrister and the Defence Barrister, the defendant and the defendant’s Solicitor all come forward and say precisely the same thing – ‘it never happened’; ‘defendant never mentioned Ted Heath’, ‘case was dropped because the only remaining available witness for the prosecution was locked up in jail herself’ – yet five weeks later, Wiltshire Police announce Operation Conifer based on the word of this ‘retired senior police officer’ who is, of course, a far more reliably source than two barristers and a solicitor…or possibly the ‘lady’ brothel owner who was alleged to have made the claim in the first place.
16 Police Officers have laboured away on Operation Conifer for a year. It has cost the Taxpayer £388,000 so far.
You’ll never guess what they have uncovered!
They found the case was halted when witnesses refused to give evidence. It was also deemed unclear whether the comment about Sir Edward had even been made.
It seems that:
The officer making the claims worked undercover to investigate Forde’s brothel in the early 1990s.
He gave evidence to the Independent Police Complaints Commission alleging a solicitor had threatened that, if the case went ahead, Forde would make the allegations against Sir Edward.
The policeman was relatively junior at the time and did not record the incident in his notebook.
He told investigators that during his career the incident had worried him and, having seen a TV programme about Jimmy Savile in 2014, he decided to come forward.
If only to waste another £388,000 of our money. In addition to the £1.8m on Operation Midland based on the wondrous fantasies of ‘Nick’ who has now wandered off into the boondocks and announced that he is no longer ‘co-operating’ with police enquiries.
This is in addition to the 17 investigations announced earlier this year. All relate to allegations about:
- Suppressing evidence;
- Hindering or halting investigations;
- Covering up the offences because of the involvement of members of parliament and police officers
The majority of the investigations stem from allegations made by retired Met officers.
One day we might get an answer to the question – ‘How many ex-police officers came in from the pub half-cut and phoned up to give evidence to these inquiries’? Has ‘Nick’ ever worked for the Police? Then we can work out what the lying sods have cost us.
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I do highly recommend Bob Woffinden’s book – I am only halfway through the ten cases diligently deconstructed in layman’s language – having started with the Jonathan King appalling example of moving the goal posts and changing dates after the defence had given their evidence and proved his alibi, and then gone back to the beginning. It is all quite horrifying – and depressing, realising just how low our police and judicial service has sunk.
- The Blocked Dwarf
May 13, 2016 at 11:25 am -
allegations made by retired Met officers.
I have no insight as to why this phenomena nor into the retirement provisions of the Met but maybe this is connected: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/revealed-scandal-of-the-pensions-hole-created-for-police-and-fire-officers-1235666.html
Also maybe worth bearing in mind that by dint of London being the centre of the Political, Media and Swinging world -and twas ever thus- that most of the alleged offences would have occurred within the confines of the M25. So it is not perhaps surprising that it is Met officers.
- Major Bonkers
May 13, 2016 at 12:36 pm -
That’s an interesting article from The Independent; Dominic Lawson made a similar point in a Sunday Times article on May 1t. – http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/comment/columns/dominiclawson/article1691077.ece – which drew attention to the huge disparity between public and private sector pensions.
Big companies, such as BA and BT, are now little more than trading arms of their respective pension funds.
- Major Bonkers
- Mudplugger
May 13, 2016 at 12:25 pm -
It just struck me that the question in, “This is an appeal for victims: in particular, if you have been the victim of any crime from Sir Ted Heath…”, applies to me and millions of others.
In January 1973, without so much as a by-your-leave, Ted Heath took Britain into the EEC in an act encompassed by the crime of treason.
If this sordid deed is not overturned on June 23rd, then maybe Superintendent Sean Memory may be getting a call, or a few million calls. Going by the current pattern of the law with historic cases, if enough of us report it, Heath will be found as guilty as hell, with or without evidence. - Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 12:45 pm -
I read the review of Woffinden’s book from David Rose yesterday; it’s interesting not solely for the cases covered but also for what is said about the pitiful state of investigative journalism these days – there’s not much of it about, and what there is is often self-financed.
On the subject of dodgy coppers & their excitable imaginations the case of the walking crime-magnet, Geoff Platt, was discussed on this site quite a while back – a man who would solve several serial-murders in a day & wished to tell you all about it on a ‘crime cruise’. Searching without success for the link I instead read this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3313507/Ex-police-driver-jailed-hit-run-seven-year-old-girl-near-Stoke-school.htmlOh dear, Geoff! How could you?
As Moor Larkin revealed, one so-called ‘investigative journalist’ – Don Hale – had an advantage over others thanks to his ability to commune with the spirit-world & conduct interviews with the dead; when his supernatural powers let him down he always had the obligatory ‘ex-copper assistant’ to add a sheen of respectability to his ever-changing theories. That same ex-copper later teamed-up with Tim Tate & together they discovered that the Yorkshire Ripper was responsible for many other murders and wrote a big book about it…
(Curiously, both Hale & Tate’s bobby and the very odd Geoff Platt claimed to have worked as ‘Royal Protection Officers’.)With who else have the bored former police been collaborating? With Exaro, with Bill Baloney & Chris Fay, with the Express and James Fielding, we are led to believe… and a single call from their potty assistants is all it takes for another ‘investigation into an investigation’ to be launched (and another article to be given undeserved credibility). Get back on the golf-course, you nutters!
P.S. I’m still waiting for an update on efforts to locate the ‘Barbara Castle Dossier’ which Hale dreamt up one afternoon when dossiers were all the rage…
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 1:04 pm -
Dolphin Square, Operation Midland, Express/Fielding:
“TWO MEN filmed themselves raping a boy in a flat in a notorious complex linked to claims of child abuse by high-profile figures, a former detective says.”
It’s Geoff!
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/600117/Boy-rape-filmed-notorious-Dolphin-Square- A Potted Plant
May 16, 2016 at 11:26 pm -
I have no doubt, that this is yet another reference to the Daniel Handley video – actually filmed ten years later and NOT at Dolphin Square. That video is infamous amongst Child Sexual Abuse Images investigators, because it is allegedly so horrific and because the victim was indeed murdered, but not on film thankfully. Sick scum like “Geoff” always think that no one will “get it”, when they make vague, misplaced in time or location, references to the DH video, or to the Bjorn series, but I always know what’s in their twisted mind. And I’m not the only one. Anyone who makes reference to this video for any reason other than a strictly forensic discussion between investigators, is a piece-o-sh*te and ought to be sentenced to spend the rest of their lives in a cell with the perpetrators, and have their testicles surgically removed to boot.
- A Potted Plant
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 1:06 pm -
And it’s not just former coppers, either:
“Mr Platt told the Daily Star it was a ‘cover up’.
Last week Britain’s most high profile police officer, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, told the BBC Mr Platt’s claims were ‘quite convincing’ and said he would be contacted to discuss the claims with officers.” - Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm -
He’s credible, and what he says is true!
“During his service, Geoff twice arrested fifty people in an eight hour shift, arrested a member of the Royal Family, a Cabinet Member and a British Army General. He arrested a serial killer responsible for sixteen murders, eight murderers for eight separate murders on one day, and dealt with the man who robbed the Knightsbridge Safety Deposit Box centre of £75M.”
http://markwcla.wix.com/cruiselectures#!dr-geoffrey-platt/c2ly
- Daisy Ray
May 14, 2016 at 1:36 pm -
The Tate book on the Ripper is hilarious. He must have worn out the keys on his laptop that spell out ‘probably’ and ‘almost certainly’. The investigation is on the level of ‘if you draw a beard on this photofit it looks a bit like Peter Sutcliffe’.
So it’s no surprise that we now have http://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2016-04-25/yorkshire-ripper-peter-sutcliffe-investigated-over-unsolved-attacks-on-women/
Do the police read the papers every morning to decide who to investigate?
- Daisy Ray
- Bandini
- tdf
May 13, 2016 at 1:18 pm -
Hale also said he had seen an issue of a magazine aimed at paedophiles, ‘Magpie’ magazine, which included an advert advertising sailing trips with Heath. I asked him on Twitter if he could produce a scan of this advert and either received no response or was told that this particular issue had been withdrawn or banned (I forget which).
It’s time to expose this nonsense. Surely a database of back-issues of this mag exists somewhere? Anyone brave enough to ask Tom O’Carroll?
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 1:39 pm -
I think Ian Pace may have a collection & challenged Hale on the matter at the time (from memory).
Tom O’Carroll on Hale and Heath?“Baroness Castle showed Heath was present at Westminster meetings with paedophile rights campaigners from the PIE group. Heath is said to have attended at least a quarter of the 30 or so monthly or bi-weekly meetings. His name is said to have appeared on minutes of the private gatherings, also apparently attended by other MPs, along with scoutmasters and headteachers. But the Castle files have been missing since the mid 1980s.”
https://tomocarroll.wordpress.com/2015/09/03/prime-minister-was-my-buddy-not/- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 1:42 pm -
(Er, I’ve just realised that that quote might make it look as though O’Carroll is agreeing with the mad claims – he most definitely is not, as a read of the rest of the article will confirm!)
- tdf
May 13, 2016 at 2:26 pm -
Bandini,
True, yes, but – and also from memory, from the scans Pace put up on his website it was hard to validate if his collection was complete (or if he’d put up everything he has).
- Bandini
- Bandini
- Eric
May 13, 2016 at 1:18 pm -
There are dozens of ex-detectives out there who will do anything to put the knife in to their former colleagues or superiors who they hate and finally the Savile / Heath / Dolphin Square rubbish comes along with the perfect opportunity. Surely no-one still believes all coppers tell the truth do they?.
Except that one who joined Surrey police at age 14 and worked for 30 years in “child protection”. He’s telling the truth, surely.- Retired
May 13, 2016 at 2:50 pm -
As a young PC I worked in the area around Dolphin Square in the mid to late 70’s. I find it difficult to believe the allegations of what took place in Dolphin Square. As I recall there was a very high turnover of tenants, most were of the middle to senior ranking military, civil service type with some MP’s and a lot of business people so someone would surely have noticed something. I only recall being called there to deal with thefts and burglaries. You should remember that there was a lot of IRA activity at the time and some of the tenants would have had armed protection or be subject to regular visits so there was always police activity.
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 3:14 pm -
Personally I’d be amazed if nothing untoward ever took place there – it’s a huge place on a par with a sprawling housing-estate or mid-sized village. Seeing as the timeframe is stretched to several decades it seems likely that all kinds of naughtiness will have occurred in one apartment or another – at one time or another – especially given the ‘away from home’ nature of many of its inhabitants (as these people are probably more prone to seeking out adventures as, after a long day at the office/Parliament, returning to an empty flat & with their family hundreds of miles away, the temptation to hit the bottle and party must be strong).
But the press refer to it as if every one of those apartments is somehow connected to each of the other one-thousand apartments – it’s ridiculous. I imagine each village of a similar size has included the odd child-abuser, rapist, a killer, even, at some point during its history. But no one would think to refer to the village itself as though every one who lived there was guilty.
- Retired
May 13, 2016 at 3:59 pm -
I think everyone assumed that Dolphin Square was a seething mass of nookie as people enjoyed a spell away from home. I think ritual satanic abuse and child murder might just have attracted some attention, even if it was only when the drains got blocked.
- Retired
- Bandini
- Retired
- Major Bonkers
May 13, 2016 at 1:21 pm -
Down to Kent – the weather’s lovely – and I get into conversation with an old friend, a gamekeeper, Robert, who has been working the same stretch of ground for over 30 years. I enjoy talking to him because I get the benefit of his news – which is never otherwise reported – and views, which accord with my own, mildly right-wing, opinions. For example, about 18 months ago, I heard from him about two friends of his who were night fishing from the beach at Folkestone. Suddenly, at around, 1 o’clock in the morning, 3 RIBs emerge from the darkness, run up to the beach, and a herd of heathens jump down, running up the shingle into the night.
This is what David Cameron means when he writes in his stupid booklet that this country has control of its borders.
Anyway, the latest news is of violent home invasions. In the New Year, a chap called George Digweed was beaten up and robbed of his shotguns – http://www.kentonline.co.uk/tenterden/news/robbery-george-digweed-91606/ – the locals put it down to his rather know-all personality and having stepped on someone unpleasant’s toes. Then, in March, a 73 year-old pensioner got the same treatment and, refusing to tell the robbers where the key to his safe was (actually it was a heavy metal cabinet), they beat him to death and physically removed it – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-35881465 . At the beginning of this month, Plod, going to arrest a suspect, came under fire, returned it, and shot the suspect dead – http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-35881465 .
This much is all the public knowledge; Kent, like everywhere else, has its share of unpleasant pikeys or ‘dids’ (diddicoys) who prowl about at night and steal whatever isn’t bolted down, and whenever anything goes missing – garden statuary, quad bikes, chainsaws – they generally get the blame. A local limeworks had a JCB stolen, which was recovered – having trundled all the way at 30mph, off the motorways – in Norfolk. Living in their ‘caravan site’ of mud and mobile homes, the Police generally leave well alone: the last time that they organised a raid, things kicked off with a metal bin being hurled at the panda car’s windscreen, and went downhill from there.
Anyway, said Robert, the dids have their own problems: gangs of black men have taken to turning up at their sites, offering some violence, and then removing any loose change that they might find. Pikeys, as is well known, working mainly in cash. ‘Black men?’, I said – they exist in this part of the world, of course, but not in any great numbers – ‘Niggers, Major!’ elucidated Robert. Great gangs of Jamaicans come down from London, apparently, for the sole purpose of beating up the dids and stealing their ill-gotten gains.
Well, I said, you don’t hear about that on the Archers.
- David
May 13, 2016 at 1:26 pm -
Myra “Ling Ling” Forde , 67, ‘now a born-again Christian’, who works voluntarily as a ,church cleaner,, said: “I knew Edward Heath in the early ’90s and provided young men for him”. It is only the age of the youung men that is in question, and she is hardly going to admit to any of them being ‘under-age’ is she. She might find herself in trouble if she did, not to mention her ‘born again christian’ status.
Forde said Heath would call her to set up midweek meetings and pay £500 cash to the escorts for sessions lasting 1½ hours. She said she did not know if Sir Edward, then in his early seventies, had full sex with the escorts or enjoyed their company in other ways.
“He first called me very late at night, after midnight. “He said his name was John and had seen the advert for my escort service in the Salisbury Journal. He was quite abrupt and nervous but was very clear what he wanted — a dark-skinned, dark-haired escort, preferably foreign.
“He said he wanted to meet the escort at a hotel and would pay for his services, the hotel and his travel costs so I fixed him up with a young Spaniard called Enrique.
- Moor Larkin
May 13, 2016 at 2:16 pm -
As patron saint of the Pedants, I have a point of order to raise:
It might be viewed as a Jungian Archetype that the false allegations against the Patron Saint of the Falsely Accused carried a sexual connotation. Serenus was executed in due course anyway, but that was because he was found to be offensive to the Emperor on other grounds, once having come to the attention of the Roman Authorities.
“One day there came thither a woman, with her two daughters. Serenus, seeing them come up, advised them to withdraw, and to conduct themselves in future as decency required in persons of their sex and condition. The woman, stung at our Saint’s charitable remonstrance, retired in confusion, but resolved on revenging the supposed affront. She accordingly wrote to her husband that Serenus had insulted her. He, on receiving her letter, went to the emperor to demand justice, whereupon the emperor gave him a letter to the governor of the province to enable him to obtain satisfaction. The governor ordered Serenus to be immediately brought before him. Serenus, on hearing the charge, answered, “I remember that, some time ago, a lady came into my garden at an unseasonable hour, and I own I took the liberty to tell her it was against decency for one of her sex and quality to be abroad at such an hour.” This plea of Serenus having put the officer to the blush for his wife’s conduct, he dropped his prosecution.”
http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/lots/lots068.htmor is this another case of parallel hystery?
- tdf
May 13, 2016 at 3:14 pm -
Even in the days when I was (coughs) somewhat more, um, credulous regarding the tales of massive VIP abuse networks at the heart of the British establishment, I was always a mite sceptical of the rumours that have floated around the interwoogie (and, presumably, in the years before the net, among bar-room conspiracy theorists) about Heath – purely because his persona, and everything I’d read about him, seemed to indicate he was essentially asexual, or possibly even heterosexual in orientation but a lifelong virgin ( I can recall reading accounts suggesting he was uncomfortable or shy around women in general, and not just Thatcher. To me that doesn’t suggest a person of homosexual orientation, but the opposite. ) A poster on the Icke forums (don’t laugh) dug out plenty of photos of Heath on his yachts during his sailing days. There is no-one underage among his crews in any of the photos I’ve seen. All of them looked to me to have been well over 21.
The rumours may possibly have originated from the boating accident in 1974 when the Morning Cloud no 3 was lost with the drownings of two crew members . There was some confusion in the contemporaneous media reporting at the time, but I gather one of the bodies was never recovered. Possibly, potentially, this somehow metastatised into tales of bodies of abused kids being dumped into sea in ‘arranged’ accidents. (Incidentally, Heath himself wasn’t even on the yacht at the time, but to someone with conspiraloon tendencies, that, if anything, augments and ‘proves’ the rumour. “Of course he wouldn’t have been on the yacht himself! Don’t be so naive – the establishment protects its own!!”, etc).
It is certainly true that Heath sometimes sailed his yacht to Jersey. But ex Jersey cop Lenny Harper said last year that he had never received any complaints about Heath, thought I think he did claim he had heard of rumours.
- David
May 13, 2016 at 3:30 pm -
I know an Ex Jersey Cop, and he tells me the Island was, and is, completely corrupt.
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 3:41 pm -
And is your old pal Molly Parkin in agreement?
- The Blocked Dwarf
May 13, 2016 at 3:43 pm -
Newsflash: The Channel Islands have been corrupt since the Germans invaded…and probably waaaay before that…back when they were all still speaking Norman French, mon Brave. No one needs an Ex-Copper’s word on that one. It still rankles that the Government at the time (Major?)’100 yeared’ the names of the collaborators during WW2, preferring we all believe the BBC version of ‘plucky Islanders’.
- David
May 13, 2016 at 4:03 pm -
Relating back to dolphin square again. The Germans allowed birching of boys to ‘carry on’ in Jersey during the occupation. One lad had done something against the Germans, and was birched. all the German Military Hierarchy on the Island turned up to watch. It was, ‘standing room only’
- tdf
May 13, 2016 at 4:29 pm -
The Blocked Dwarf –
It’s unusual for me to defend Jersey, which having lived there briefly, I found to be a rather boring place, but how precisely did anyone expect them to ‘resist’ the Nazis? Collaboration happened in much bigger places and more powerful places than Jersey.
- The Blocked Dwarf
May 13, 2016 at 5:09 pm -
Oh don’t get me wrong, I doubt I would have run off to join the Marquis if I had been an Islander. I would have ‘collaborated’ to the extent probably everyone else here would do. Especially with the Nazi ‘Sippenhaft’. There are things, ideals, I am prepared to fight and die for but there is very little that would be worth my family ending up in Concentration camp.
What rankles is the ‘cover up’ , the holy ‘myth’.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- David
- tdf
May 13, 2016 at 4:25 pm -
Jersey’s governance, at a fundamental level, fails the separation of powers test. That said, I am not necessarily convinced that it is any more or less corrupt that any relatively small island communities.
- Retired
May 13, 2016 at 6:28 pm -
On that front I knew of a police officer who transferred from the Met to Jersey. He lasted one week. He said the whole system was bent. It is a stone that should be turned one day.
- Moor Larkin
May 13, 2016 at 11:45 pm -
Another cover-up by the BBC?
Bergerac- The Blocked Dwarf
May 15, 2016 at 12:12 am -
Another cover-up by the BBC?
BergeracOnly , if by ‘cover up’ you are referring to the amount of ‘slap’ they slapped on Bergerac. I watched some episodes a couple o fyears back when they hit youtube and, sweet jesus wept, it made Dickenson look subtle…and only slightly less tango’d.
- Moor Larkin
May 18, 2016 at 9:35 am -
Read someplace that Haut de la Garenne featured as a police station in one episode…
- David
May 18, 2016 at 10:19 am -
They brought in some heave digging machines from the mainland, to dig up what looked like graves near Haut de la Garenne. They started the digging when an old lady appeared to find out what was going ion. She told them that the site was once used as a grave yard, for the filming of an episode of Bergerac, as they are not allowed to film in Jersey cemeteries.
- Moor Larkin
May 18, 2016 at 3:08 pm
- Moor Larkin
- David
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
- David
- David
May 13, 2016 at 3:48 pm -
He left Jersey, was in anti terrorism, flown out of Cypress, did IRA bomb disposal in London, then ‘Special Protection Officer. Yes since Molly received her Royal Pension, a few years ago, which took an Act of Parliament to push through, she is on top form.
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 3:50 pm -
YOU’RE on top form today, David! Keep ’em coming!
- Bandini
- tdf
May 14, 2016 at 12:00 am -
IIRC there was some controversy around the time of the set up of the Goddard Inquiry, and eventually a compromise was agreed upon, as regards the Official Secrets Act. Allegedly, former police, civil servants, etc, required cast iron guarantees that they would be given immunity from prosecution if they breached the OSA in their testimony.
Around about that time, IIRC, Bandini, who I’ve sparred with in the past, made a good point in a comment on this blog when he pondered over why there was such a big issue with the Official Secrets Act.
Anyone who cares a sweet huppeny taypenny damn about child rape, paedophilia, establishment networks, etc would breach the Act to get the truth out, and help to bring the child rapists to justice. Wouldn’t you? And if you wouldn’t, then aren’t you damning yourself? Because, if you’re not prepared to risk a jail sentence, maybe you don’t care all that much and maybe you’re kind of a bullshit merchant?
Or maybe there’s money in anti-CSA.
- tdf
May 14, 2016 at 5:28 pm -
Alison Saunders has reminded the police that they can’t prosecute dead people.
This is beyond satire. Chris Morris is redundant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU
- David
May 15, 2016 at 7:33 am -
She does not need to worry, they take so long, that if they were not dead at the beginning of the investigation, they certainly will be at the end. Or at least on their last legs.
- David
- Alexander Baron
May 15, 2016 at 11:18 pm -
I’m working on a massive project at the moment, and keep coming across cases like this.
http://www.kentonline.co.uk/ashford/news/man-guilty-of-raping-five-year-old-41170/
Anyone like to comment? I find so many of these cases have more in common with Alice In Wonderland than Dixon Of Dock Green.
- Gaye Dalton
May 16, 2016 at 10:42 am -
…as a little touch of Zen I saw this on the same day:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/convicted-paedophile-anthony-luckwill-hiding-7965255Yes, Anthony Luckwill, the real, convicted, paedophile who wasn’t famous enough for Mark Williams Thomas, paedophile hunter, knight of child protection, to show the slightest interest in when he was digging for more lucrative accusations that could only offer retrospective protection to victims that were already middle aged, is back out there. You may feel the teacher was out of line, sadly, I don’t, because Luckwill is escalating dramatically over the years…
He seems to be getting far better treatment, and more freedom to re-offend, than those with no evidence against them at all, which is why I mention it here…for stark contrast.
- Alexander Baron
May 17, 2016 at 11:48 am -
In 1992, Panorama produced an excellent documentary on a real paedophile ring; it was made up of only two men, but one of the things they unearthered was a video of Charles Napier actually grooming underage boys in Sweden. This is the bottom line, there are indeed some sick people out there, but this believe the victim rubbish does nothing to combat them, rather it wastes taxpayers’ money, sows suspicion and destroys innocent lives.
- Moor Larkin
May 17, 2016 at 12:59 pm -
Think it was Inside Story you are thinking of
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/right-on-time.html
Often think savilisation in part fostered by the Establishment gay mafia to make folk look over here, instead of over there.- Alexander Baron
May 17, 2016 at 1:13 pm -
Gadzooks, my false memory faileth me again. Here is what I wrote last year: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2508450/reviews-1
- Alexander Baron
- Gaye Dalton
May 17, 2016 at 7:13 pm -
It’s one of those things like “past lives regression” – just as it is unlikely that so many people are reincarnations of the famous and so few are reincarnations of the ordinary, so it is unlikely that all pedophiles are rich and famous.
Most pedophiles have names we have never heard and are people we wold never suspect, experts at “blending in” and inspiring confidence in others.
Most pedophiles will, quite simply, never be caught.
- David
May 18, 2016 at 8:02 am -
Yes I found a ring in Earls Court, only three people, as far as I can tell, but it was set up the the 1960s. All sorts probably went on, and the group still go on holiday together two or three times a year, to their holiday home in France, and another in the UK. They are very wealthy, one is titled, two produce children’s books. One may have been in the secret service.
- Gaye Dalton
May 18, 2016 at 3:49 pm -
David, trust me, I know for certain you never found any such thing. For more than one reason too.
1. Anybody hear of “very wealthy” “titled” people living in “Earl’s Court” through 60s, 70s and 80s? Thought not, cos the rich lived Near Fuham, Cromwell, or Old Brompton Rd, in South Kensington or Gloucester Road, but NEVER, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES in “Earls Court” – you might as well talk about “very wealthy” “titled” people living on the Goldhawk Road!
2. Secret Service? Am I the ONLY person outside Whitehall who knows what “personal vetting” is (a clue, it has nothing to do with the veterinary surgeon poser who hugs and kisses all his female clients) ?Why don’t you concentrate your attention on POOR, obscure, REAL child abusers like Anthony Luckwill, who has already escalated from porn to real life, targets boys exclusively and seems to WANT to be properly supervised so he can’t do any more…
Or you could dig around and make sure none of the vanishing perps in the Irish Trudder House Scandal are still working with children and vulnerable people.
But I guess real pedophile and abusers still young enough to have teeth are a bit too scary?
- Gaye Dalton
May 18, 2016 at 3:52 pm -
PS. I feel SO much better after that, I think it has taken 10 years off me.
- David
May 18, 2016 at 4:53 pm -
They were living near Gloucester Road until the mid 1960 s. Very wealthy people have always lived in Earls Court, in fact earls Spencer’s daughter, Diana was living in Earls Court in the late 1970 s early 1980 s, before she married prince Charles. you are obviously not from London, at least not from south West London
- David
- Gaye Dalton
- Gaye Dalton
- David
- Moor Larkin
- Ho Hum, of The Shire
May 18, 2016 at 9:10 am -
@ David
May 18, 2016Alas, poor Frodo
- Ho Hum
May 19, 2016 at 2:53 pm -
@ David May 19, 2016 at 12:41 pm etc
Thanks for the fascinating insights. I shall be bookmarking you as my favourite exponent, and connoisseur, of crap on the internet.
- David
May 19, 2016 at 5:13 pm -
@Ho Hum, Too much information
- David
- David
May 13, 2016 at 5:11 pm -
Too many fingers in too many pies.
- tdf
May 14, 2016 at 12:19 am -
Greggs should most certainly be prosecuted for the offense of interfering with sausage rolls and making them virtually inedible. So should a noted pop singer, for offenses against musical taste.
That said, neither of these are thus far codified offenses under the criminal law.
One of my ‘waking up’ moments was when I saw that a noted anti-CSA blogger was singing the praises of a world famous musician that passed away earlier this year- the artist was not only a notorious druggie but also someone that had relations with underage people of both genders.
As they say in America, go figure…
- Ho Hum
May 13, 2016 at 5:34 pm -
#ibelieve that you have twelve. At least.
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 6:17 pm -
“All the better for picking birch leaves up off the floor of Brompton Road Cemetry with, my dear!”
- David
May 13, 2016 at 6:27 pm -
My hands, (fingers) , have been tied by MI 5 because I know too much, and they are protecting VIPs, (not the ones that have been in the news)
I expect to be silenced any time now. - David
May 19, 2016 at 12:04 pm -
All apps are the same, you search for grindr on your phone, then load it down onto your phone, or tinder for straight people. When you open it on your phone it should tell you all the people who are near you, how many minutes it would take to walk to them, and get them. Some will have photo’s to you can recognise them when you look around a room, or a cemetery etc
- Bandini
May 13, 2016 at 6:38 pm -
Crikey, where am I going to find my daily dose of nuttiness if they ‘take you out’, David?!?
Avoid windows & tall buildings would be my advice. And be careful on train platforms – just ask Geoff Platt! - Ho Hum
May 19, 2016 at 12:18 pm -
David May 19, 2016 at 12:04 pm
Does it work well?
- David
May 19, 2016 at 12:24 pm -
A friend from Bournemouth who has it, recently came to stay with me in Chelsea. He opened it up, and there were people only walking distance away on it. We were standing in Kings Road, and he opened his app again. A picture of a young man came up, and it said he was a few feet away, and he sold chandeliers. We looked up, and we were standing outside a very exclusive Italian, hand made, chandelier shop.
- Ho Hum
May 19, 2016 at 12:37 pm -
@ David May 19, 2016 at 12:24 pm
That sounds like it would be really worth having if hotspots of congregation represent pointers to the nearest Gents
Thank you for the lesson.
- David
May 19, 2016 at 12:41 pm -
Yes there is an app that will show you where the nearest toilet is. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2939766/Never-caught-short-App-helps-nearest-toilet-WORLD-tells-free-use.html
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