Misogynistic Brothel Creeps.
Take your pick – the unfortunate Olivia is a ‘sex-worker’ in the Guardian; a ‘professional dominatrix and escort’ in the Socialist Worker; and ‘a prostitute’ in the Independent; nowhere have I seen her described as she is – a young single woman who signed up to Match.com in an effort to find a partner outside of her work circle, and who had a few dates before disclosing her entire previous sex life to a new man.
There is only one reason for this continual harping on about an alleged occupation which ended any relationship with John Whittingdale as soon as it was disclosed – and that is that political commentators appear to believe that Olivia’s occupation is derogatory and thus shows John Whittingdale in a poor light. If they believe that, then what is their justification for exposing Olivia to such comment? Is this ‘fallen women’ syndrome we see before us?
Not only has Olivia been publicly pilloried for behaving as many young single women do in London – availing herself of a match-making service – but even the owners, lessees, and managers of premises that she was stalked to, and photographed visiting, have been labelled as criminally liable ‘brothels’. Would someone please remind the Guardian that technically a brothel doesn’t even have to contain any women, nor does any payment have to change hands – but is merely premises ‘where people resort to lewd acts’ which is as neat a description of the Guardian’s annual Xmas party as ever I heard?
I want to know why this young woman has been exposed to prurient interest, stalked, harrassed, held up to scorn and ridicule, when she has done nothing illegal, nothing morally wrong, nothing of the remotest public interest?
Brian Cathcart, founder of ‘Hacked Off’ the organisation which seeks to curb the intrusion of the press into the ordinary lives of ordinary people – just like Olivia! – claims that it was justified on the following grounds. Nay, that they had an obligation to treat her in this way.
1. One of the young men she met through Match.com, although single, belonged to an organisation that stresses ‘its commitment to traditional marriage’.
Presumably she was hoping to meet someone of the opposite sex who was potentially interested in a ‘traditional marriage’? Is that so unusual these days that she should be ridiculed on the nation’s front pages for so hoping?
2. One of the young men she met through Match.com, although single, was strongly opposed to ‘gay marriage’ in all its threesome forms.
…Presumably why he belonged to an organisation that stressed its commitment to ‘traditional marriage’. So the justification for pillorying her is that she was matched by a dating service with someone who opposed gay marriage? What proportion of the dates so arranged for her were with men who opposed gay marriage?
3. One of the young men she met through Match.com, had once warned Max Mosely that ‘the press has an appetite for this sort of thing’.
What has this got to do with Olivia? You see for all the left-wing desire to take down John Whittingdale, people seem to be forgetting that although he is a public figure – Olivia King was not. What precisely had she done that justifies the intrusion into her private life?
Even the Independent was trying to insinuate that it was Olivia herself who tried to sell the story of their liaison to the news media, two years ago, when Whittingdale wasn’t even in the cabinet.
Mr Whittingdale, who is single, said in a statement that he had been unaware of the woman’s occupation and had broken off the relationship when he discovered she was trying to sell the story to the press.
Actually what Mr Whittingdale said was this:
I was made aware that someone was trying to sell a story about me to tabloid newspapers.
Let’s hope that Olivia has the wit to sue the Independent for the defamatory slur that it was she who tried to sell the story, along with all the other slurs.
As I said the other day, it was Nathalie Rowe who had been pushing this story for some time, following her success with the ‘George Osborne snorted cocaine when he was a student’ story.
Even Tom Watson shied away from inflicting media intrusion on Olivia.
tom_watson Why are you not using your Parliamentary Privilege in relation to John Whittingdale, we spoke in detail on the phone – USE IT
— Natalie Rowe (@RealNatalieRowe) July 11, 2014
Olivia seems to be the forgotten victim in this story. Match.com have a section of their website – ‘How to recover from a disastrous date’. I hope she reads it.
What she needs then, is the services of some sort of Independent Press Standards Organisation that could curb the instincts of the likes of ‘Hacked Off’ to throw young women to the media wolves merely to make a political point.
I hope she sues the backsides off them all.
- DavidG
April 13, 2016 at 1:10 pm -
Their behaviour has been absolutely unforgivable, and show them to be the hypocrites they really are. This is cheap grandstanding at it’s worst, totally regardless of the consequences.
- Joe Public
April 13, 2016 at 1:16 pm -
It must be horrendous to be single, searching for a mate. To be offered what appears to be a reasonable match – similar age, opposite gender, living relatively locally. Suitability demonstrated over a number of dates. Then to become aware of a potentially shady background; the potential lover was an MP.
- Bill Sticker
April 15, 2016 at 3:52 am -
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- Bill Sticker
- Eric
April 13, 2016 at 1:22 pm -
I can understand Hacked Off’s position- it’s about the hypocrisy. However the tabloid description’s of this woman have been appalling quite apart from the fact that if she is on the game it’s perfectly legal. As for the ‘friend of a gangster’ claim. Good grief. There are MPs in Parliament who voted to bomb & kill innocent Iraqis.
Definitely hyperventilating from the left wing but they will claim a political scalp and that’s what it’s all about.- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 1:34 pm -
The ‘friend of a gangster’ claim has been downgraded to ‘rumour’, ‘unsubstantiated’.
- Bandini
- Oi you
April 13, 2016 at 1:24 pm -
…the left-wing desire to take down John Whittingdale….
Well, that is it in a nutshell. It seems the left exhibit a lot of desire to take down the Tories a lot of the time. Could it be that the recent media furore about Dodgy Dave and his tax and earlier ones about Jimmy the hospital groper, Rolf ‘Can you see what it is yet?’ etc., are all to do with this? No, surely not. A left-wing construct? What, you mean, done on purpose? Well, I never….
Rumour has it, that the Labour party employs people to do this kind of thing. Paid for out of the Labour party’s coffers. Wonder how much the going rate is? Might apply meself, if it’s any good. Could do with a bit of a boost to my bank account…..
:o)
- Eric
April 14, 2016 at 3:19 am -
What you say is correct but this is hardly unique to the left. The right- all parties – play the same game. As evidenced by the often nutty claims about Jeremy Corbyn.
- Flubber
April 14, 2016 at 9:33 pm -
Ah yes.. that paragon of virtue Mr Corbyn. How are his nice friends in HAMAS?
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 2:19 pm -
The Hamas that the UK government gives funds to ?
- Eric
- Flubber
- Eric
- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 1:32 pm -
It’s incredible how the wheels have been falling off this story, one by one:
– what was previously a relationship with a “known prostitute” & dominatrix now reduced to a fling between two people meeting via a dating-site.
– the length of their relationship, down from “over a year” to well UNDER a year.
– Whittingdale’s supposed ‘failure’ to declare the Amsterdam-trip in Register of Members’ Interests – the only clear accusation of wrong-doing – belatedly shown to be of non-notifiable value and hence no failure at all.
– the “underworld connections” which we were assured DID exist, now accepted to be unsubstantiated rumour.
– etc.!Reading the email trail it seems clear that King, rather than FLOG the tale, effectively scuppered it by steadfastly refusing to co-operate with the gutter-press; they needed to give her the right-to-reply before running it, but she couldn’t be found, she wouldn’t speak… well played that woman!
“Pictures of Whittingdale and King arriving and leaving together, hugging each other as they walked, travelling home on the tube, were taken…”
Yeuch. Weirdos. And then they wanted £20,000 for the snaps! Seeing Hacked-off in bed with such types is astonishing.P.S. That Guardian Xmas Party description – surely not based on personal observations?!?
- Carol42
April 13, 2016 at 1:49 pm -
Funny how Hacked Off are so keen to keep their own behaviour out of the press yet have no compunction about utterly destroying a young woman. There appears to be nothing wrong in the behaviour of either party and I really hope she gets good lawyers and sues them all. The sheer viciousness of the left never ceases to amaze me.
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 1:06 am -
I don’t see any evidence Hacked Off are keen to keep their own behaviour out of the press. In fact it seems the opposite, After all they are an advocacy and lobbyist group. I get many press release from them that seem to be ignored by the media.
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 2:24 pm -
There seems to be some misconception that has spread via the media (such a rare event). Hacked Off did not release this information or publish details of the so-called affair. How could they? They are not publishers. It was the website ByLine that has been agitating for Fleet Street to publish the story. Hacked Off were invited to comment after the story broke but did not give an answer that a lot of people like.
The media could have ignored this tale like they have been for a couple of years. No-one has forced them to publish it. That’s the nature of Britain’s now wholly gutter media. They always win in the end.
- Eric
- Major Bonkers
April 13, 2016 at 2:10 pm -
Good to have you back, Mrs. Raccoon – we’ve had to make our own entertainment while you’ve been away, with doubtful success.
(1) Surely the definition of a politician is ‘a professional dominatrix’, telling people to do with the threat of force if they don’t. This country’s relationship with the EU, for example, is reminiscent of fair Britannia – or David Cameron – being dominated by some fat Belgian in a gimp suit and armed with a whip and a raging hard-on.
(2) As I understand matters, the whole point about being a dominatrix is that the lady in question generally avoids penetration. Miss. King – on the assumption that what is being published online is accurate – could only be defined as a prostitute in the wider sense of prostituting her talents.
What a load of disgusting, hypocritical, nonsense.
- Mrs Grimble
April 13, 2016 at 6:33 pm -
“As I understand matters, the whole point about being a dominatrix is that the lady in question generally avoids penetration.”
You’re quite right about that bit. An old friend of mine once worked as a dominatrix for a while. A single mother with four school-age kids and looking for a part-time job, she got offered the position by a mate who ran a BDSM club. She paid several visits to the club to see what it was all about, talked to the ‘doms’ and, having discovered it wouldn’t involve sex (on her part anyway), took the plunge. She rented a dungeon quickly collected some regular clients and thoroughly enjoyed the work – which was all about putting on leather corsets and a mask, tying up middle-aged men and abusing them in various ways. There was absolutely no sexual contact; the men simply wanted as managed amount of pain and humiliation. The hours fitted in with school hours and the money was good – she was able to come off benefits and become a self-employed therapist, paying tax and stamps and everything.
All was golden until another mate, a local journalist, told her that a reporter and photographer from one of the national redtops were in town, putting together a story on a local politician. Who was one of her clients. My friend instantly shut up shop – with young children and an uptight ex-husband, she simply couldn’t afford the exposure. So it was back the the life on benefits. However, she kept the gear – the leather corsets, whips, shackles and so on, and over the intervening years has introduced several boyfriends to the joys of BDSM!- Eric
April 14, 2016 at 3:37 am -
The dominatrix I once knew did everything requested by the client. For a price.
- Mrs Grimble
April 14, 2016 at 3:55 pm -
My friend must have been the “strict mistress” type: “No, you horible little man, you will NOT put that filthy thing anywhere near my body! For even THINKING such thoughts, you will be punished!” ::WHACK::
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 2:25 pm -
You just didn’t know what to ask for . A true masochist.
- Eric
- Mrs Grimble
- Eric
- Mrs Grimble
- Mudplugger
April 13, 2016 at 2:27 pm -
We note that John Whittingdale is a keen Brexit supporter – for the next month or two any similar folk, and all those close to them, should not be surprised if lurid stories appear in the media, planted by the increasingly-desperate Remainers.
Whitingdale well understands the dirty profession he has chosen to follow but Olivia King is an innocent abroad, just collateral damage in this filthy no-holds-barred contest.- Duncan Disorderly
April 13, 2016 at 8:43 pm -
The papers went out of their way to not print this story until Private Eye got to it. How do you seriously conclude that it was his Outer views that did for him?
- Mudplugger
April 14, 2016 at 8:28 am -
This story’s been hanging around for two years and widely known.
Ask yourself the two key questions, “Why now?” and, as our legal friends would have it, “Cui bono?”.
There’s only one reason.- Bandini
April 14, 2016 at 11:29 am -
There are those who will grab at any opportunity to use a story for their own ends, so I’m sure there’ll be Remaniacs joining in with the rest of ’em to give Whittingdale a whipping. But I honestly think the main thrust of this quite clearly co-ordinated campaign comes from supporters of Hacked-off understandably up in arms about a government u-turn – understandabe, really
- Bandini
- Mudplugger
- Duncan Disorderly
- Manx Gent
April 13, 2016 at 2:29 pm -
One small blessing though. At least this time Hugh Grant won’t be commenting ad nauseum on behalf of Hacked Off.
- Moor Larkin
April 13, 2016 at 2:48 pm -
Certainly agree wholeheartedly with the overall sentiments, however the media’s hands-off approach to Whittingdale also extends to his relationship to his unfortunate sibling who was a long-standing member of PIE and was jailed on HCSA charges not so long ago. Given the rabid manner in which the media have tried to label anyone sharing Savile genes as having inevitable paedo-tendencies, this further free pass to Whittingdale smells a little of smoke, and where there’s smoke there surely must be fire?
- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 3:06 pm -
From The Mirror, November 2012:
“Abuse scandals probe widens: The man [Charles Napier] who may hold key to UK’s biggest paedophile network ever…
… The scandal erupted again when Labour MP Tom Watson raised the matter with David Cameron in the House of Commons last month suggesting a network of paedophiles working in the UK had links to high levels of Government.”They didn’t name Whittingdale on this occasion, instead leaving it for the clueless clowns of (anti)social-media to defame him. But every other story I’ve read since has dragged his name into it, so I’m not sure about the ‘hands-off’ aspect. I mentioned in a Byline-comment that this years-long smearing – insinuations by the press (those lovable Exaro goons) & directly by their Twitter-proxies – might even have played a role in the press backing off this time around: Whittingdale was apparently investigated – thanks to Watson – and came up clean, causing immense disappointment to those who would prefer it all to be true.
- Moor Larkin
April 13, 2016 at 3:40 pm -
John Whittingdale, the chair of the committee of MPs due to grill BBC director general George Entwistle this week, has said that claims the corporation has covered up the Jimmy Savile scandal in the past few months is are “damaging” its reputation. “There is a big distinction between innuendo and rumour and actual proof,” said Whittingdale told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme on Monday.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2012/oct/22/jimmy-savile-cover-up-bbc- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 4:06 pm -
And two days later Watson piped up in Parliament. His justification is worth a re-read & this might make you smile/grimace, Moor:
“One person also contacted me to suggest that the Met held a vast quantity of material suggesting Jimmy Savile was a predatory paedophile. I do not know whether this is true but I do know the source and she has been 100% accurate in the past.”
Did she mean the ‘had a run/time for some bum’ letter?!? Incredible. I won’t guess as to her identity – but I bet I could.
http://www.tom-watson.co.uk/2012/10/a-little-more-background-on-todays-pmqs/- Moor Larkin
April 13, 2016 at 4:16 pm -
Whittingdale on a Committe questioning Max Mosley about his Sado-games
Whittingdales likes a bit of a thrashingWhittingdale on a Committee questioning BBC DG about hiding a paedo in plain sight
Whittingdale’s half-bro is a convicted paedo. but nobody seems to know thisIf Hypocrisy of the media is the watchword, well… there’s a lot of it about
With such a clash of interests an honest broker might have asked for the chalice to pass him by.- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 4:29 pm -
I couldn’t really be bothered tracking down the full Mosley/Whittingdale stuff, but what I saw came across more as ‘you must have known the media would salivate over this’ rather than ‘you really ought not to have been doing that’.
Off-topic, but regarding what for some amounts ‘to proof’:
http://www.islingtongazette.co.uk/news/crime-court/fresh_savile_link_to_islington_child_abuse_scandal_1_3854676- Moor Larkin
April 13, 2016 at 4:55 pm -
The smoke here is the balancing act. Mosely is on the warpath v Press. Whittingdale juggles his place on the Committe to try and keep media seeing no advantage in alienating him by focussing heavily on his own predilictions. In the same way, he has a dark paedo in the family “secret” and again, a balancing act between media and power-wielder commences. There need be no meetings in smoky rooms, each keeps their distance, eying the other warily, wanting each to keep the other not quite sure of their cards – a game of poker. An occasional slap to the other if they look as if they might get out of line.
In the internet age it’s not absolute knowledge that is the key because everybody can know everything if they can be bothered to look for it, instead it is the ability of the mass media to sway the public monster – the don’t know nuffin coz finding out is too hard, monster. The great beast is pushed and prodded by the MSM and so in some ways their power is greater because even when the truth is in clear sight, the Behemoth just walks over it and doesn’t even notice it and their very ignoring of it makes that truth even more uncredible. Democracy has the power to destroy the truth even more than a Dictatorship.
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
- Jonathan King
April 13, 2016 at 2:54 pm -
Nice one Anna. Disclosure; Olivia is no relation.
- windsock
April 13, 2016 at 4:22 pm -
“I want to know why this young woman has been exposed to prurient interest, stalked, harrassed, held up to scorn and ridicule, when she has done nothing illegal, nothing morally wrong, nothing of the remotest public interest?”
Bollocks, She was shagging an mp. The press knew about it. They didn’t publish it. Now they want to publish the threesome details of a “celebrity” (he’s not a celebrity in my house, but hey ho). Hypocrisy? Much?
- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 4:39 pm -
They are prevented (still?) by an injunction – as are we, I suppose – from publishing details of the celeb.
This case is completely different as the details have been kicking around for years, including photo of Ms. King & details of where she was working and what she supposedly got up to with Whittingdale (not really borne out by subsequent reports, but who cares about that?).It already HAS been published! ‘Not wanting to’ and ‘not being able to’ are, er, not the same.
- windsock
April 13, 2016 at 4:57 pm -
Oh, Bandini, I love you and your terrier like qualities, but get real. The press HAD the opportunity to publish Whittingdale but chose not to. Why?
The press DON’T HAVE the opportunity to publish Mr/Mrs Celebrity’s details and are fighting tooth and nail to get it. Why?
- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 5:16 pm -
They had the opportunity to buy some pics for 20 grand. The story had already been ‘revealed’.
As I asked on Byline (no answer) – if you want to claim that the press covered-up to protect their ‘asset’ in 2015/6, you’ll have to explain to me why they also ‘covered-up’ the exact same story when Whittingdale was not the man wielding the Leveson-axe in early 2014 (and probably earlier).And I had read that the media weren’t really fighting over the celeb as it would be money down the drain – everyone knows the names involved so why bother making a lawyer rich(er) fighting for the right to publish? Don’t know if it’s true as I’m not really following the celeb-story.
- windsock
April 13, 2016 at 5:20 pm -
- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 5:30 pm -
Ah, then I’m guessing they’ve already paid for the ‘exclusive interviews’ with the non-celebrity couple, who as I mentioned over at Pet’s Place have a right, in my opinion, to tell THEIR story (as indeed Olivia King has a right to tell hers if she wants). But if the non-celebrity couple did not want to talk would you be championing the press’ right to have stalked them on the tube, etc.?
- windsock
April 13, 2016 at 5:39 pm -
Actually Bandini, I think it’s ALL bollocks. Quite why anyone wants to sell stories of their sexual exploits is beyond me… but then, making money out of my personal life has never really worked for me. I like to tell the stories of my exploits because they are entertaining for my audience – and me – that’s all.
What does get my goat is inconsistency. If the press think one story is worth pursuing, why not the other? I’d actually prefer they pursued neither. But then, I don’t buy the papers, so my voice doesn’t count, does it?
- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 6:15 pm -
Agreed, Windsock. But one of the stories does involve an internationally famous star, whereas the other, er, doesn’t.
Was this a nettle to be grasped from Rowe’s garden (eh?):
“John Whittingdale TORY MINISTER & his Hooker, who he uses TAX PAYERS MONEY TO PAY HER RENT ON HIS EXPENSE ACCOUNT”
That from June last year, before the latecomers decided not to run with the tale (and the earlybirds had already given it a wide berth). Given that the source was publishing such crap (with a pic, of course) wouldn’t you, as an editor, be more than a little wary? Enough. I’m turning this wretched machine off.
- Bandini
- windsock
- Bandini
- Moor Larkin
April 13, 2016 at 5:38 pm -
This strange phenomenon illustrates the power of the press. Somehow, when they publish a story in the ‘papers, it becomes real, whereas before that, even though the story is in every ‘paper in every other country, it is not “real” in England. Thatcher was subject to this lunacy over the spy-guy so it is a social phenomenon of long-standing.
Queerly enough, I think this relates to our Libel Laws. British society is brainwashed to think that the ‘papers will never publish summat if it is not true, coz it’s libel innit an’ they’ll get sued. Libel laws have become the media’s best friend and should be eliminated. Looking at the American media there have been lots of stories about Obama having affairs, and of course the Americans are sophisticated enough to discern trash-talk from reality.
- Eric
April 14, 2016 at 3:31 am -
And you more than anyone has produced evidence of this. If they can create an imaginary Jimmy Savile as opposed to the real one, God only knows what we are being fed.
- Eric
- windsock
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 2:28 pm -
If she is what is claimed it is a legal occupation. I don’t see why an MP can;t have an affair with a lady of the night.
- Bandini
- windsock
- Eric
April 14, 2016 at 3:35 am -
Personally I don’t give a stuff who MPs or sporting personalities shag as along as it’s not me. I don’t think however you can ignore the private lives of either within the current culture of newspapers.
What I would like is a media that tells me facts and about political policies, Brexit and so on. But I’m a dreamer or a fantasist. - Bandini
April 15, 2016 at 11:58 am -
I’ve only just noticed this nugget:
“The chairman of the group [Hacked Off] which has berated newspapers for not revealing details of John Whittingdale’s love life is also the barrister fighting to protect the privacy of a cheating celebrity. Hugh Tomlinson QC is representing the married star who has been granted an injunction…”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3537386/BBC-Hacked-accused-rank-hypocrites-revealing-Culture-Secretary-John-Whittingdale-s-relationship-dominatrix-met-online-dating-site.html#ixzz45tLNZTYM
- Bandini
- leady
April 13, 2016 at 5:06 pm -
All this discussion shows really is
That censorship is really hard these days
A completely free press with all its warts is preferable to a managed press.
Coogan, Mosley and his ilk still look horrible in the glare of daylight, whereas Whittingdale’s story looks like an anecdote of passing prurient interest to the public that would be on page 4 for a day without the rumormongering.
- Eric
April 14, 2016 at 3:29 am -
Censorship is impossible. Propaganda rules the day now.
- Eric
- Michael J. McFadden
April 13, 2016 at 5:18 pm -
“I hope she sues the backsides off them all.”
Anna, fully agreed.
– MJM
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 1:10 am -
Yes she should whip them into shape via the courts.
- Eric
- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 6:54 pm -
This is worth a read from former BBC journo Robert Peston:
https://www.facebook.com/pestonitv/posts/1603441483313924- Bandini
April 13, 2016 at 6:59 pm -
Gawd, and for fairness’ sake, this from Order Order with a different take to Peston’s over Tom Watson’s involvement:
http://order-order.com/2016/04/13/watsons-fingerprints-all-over-whittingdale-story/- Duncan Disorderly
April 13, 2016 at 8:53 pm -
It’s all a load of bollocks, all of it. I don’t bloody care any more.
- Eric
April 14, 2016 at 3:28 am -
Zelo Street has a different take on the Watson claim. Is Order Order a politically bipartisan website?. Doubtful (not that Zelo Street is either). Zelo is promising there is more to the tale.
http://zelo-street.blogspot.com.au/- Bandini
April 14, 2016 at 11:08 am -
I’ve had my fill of Zelo Street to be honest, Eric. The same story gets re-written over and over ’til it’s difficult to know whether you’re reading today’s article (or one of ’em!) or yesterday’s… er, or tomorrow’s for that matter! Endless repetition, the bold claim “as I will prove” regularly employed but never carried to its conclusion… and now ‘more jam tomorrow’?
Have they all forgotten that we’ve already been served “the full story”? People paid several thousand pounds to support such brave journalism… now they find there is YET more?!?
On Watson I’m letting my imagination run free with the notion that he had an in-depth telephone discussion with Rowe: was this via a ‘premium rate’ number or one for which a hefty ‘per 10-minute’ charge is normally made, and if so did Nat gift it to Tom, and did Tom register it???
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 1:12 am -
Yes every time I begin to like Zelo he has to spoil it all by being so fanatical left as to defy all reason.
- Bandini
April 15, 2016 at 12:28 pm -
Eric, around about the time the Whittingdale saga was kicking-off I stumbled across what seemed to be an interesting tale: the financial dealings of Ian Lavery MP – currently the Shadow Minister for Trade Unions & Civil Society.
I must admit to never having heard of him previously and didn’t have time to look into it in any detail, but the little that I read – and the unconvincing posturing of Lavery, refusing to give clear answers to legitimate questions – suggested that here there really WAS a clear case for investigating.
‘Not so!’, said Zelo Street. This was “just a cheap smear campaign” from – who’d have thought it? – a Murdoch hack out to undermine Corbyn “aided and abetted by Hopi Sen, his representative on Earth”. (It was the article of Sen’s which I had found quite convincing.)
Blind partisanship can lead to a wrecking on the rocks, and given the follow-up on Newsnight last night (which I haven’t seen) and other coverage I think a life jacket or two might be in order for the (blind) faithful.
https://storify.com/hopisen/defending-good-unions-doesn-t-mean-protecting-bad-
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 2:31 pm -
Zelo also completely completely the Savile Saga in all it’s hysteria but could only possibly know what he reads in the media which he continually berates for telling fibs.
- Eric
- Bandini
- Eric
- Bandini
- Duncan Disorderly
- Moor Larkin
April 13, 2016 at 9:06 pm -
” The Sunday People was the first newspaper to be offered the story at the end of 2013. It approached Tom Watson – the Labour MP, now deputy leader of the Labour party, then a colleague of Mr Whittingdale on the Culture committee – for his advice on whether it should publish.”
Bloody hell. If that doesnlt tell you who is dancing with the devil, nothing else will. A newspaper asks an MP for advice on their editorial policy and practise. Free Press? What a pretence. The establishment IS the media.
- Bandini
- Gaye Dalton
April 13, 2016 at 9:50 pm -
There are some very boring facts in the story (believe it or not I haven’t been following the personal stuff…I never do).
1. Any government employee (elected or not) is aware of the implicit expectation that they will NOT place themselves in a situation that leaves them open to blackmail or other pressure that could present a risk to national security, and within that you it is expected the you will do no assuming and take every precaution – black mark against Whittingdale.
2. As I understand it, expenses from the public purse are not intend to subsidise your social life, even if all that consists of is taking nuns out to tea.
3. I have more than a degree of sympathy with Olivia (they matched her up with a fundamentalist???) BUT…in case you haven’t noticed, even the lowliest of whores get paid quite a bit of money, pro rata compared to other freelance work, and that money doesn’t just buy sex any more than it just buys time. The very good money is intended to buy your discretion. It becomes second nature to protect the people you come into contact with from your status…OF COURSE that stigma is not right, but IT IS THERE, and you knew it when you started. For instance, I have quite an interest in Islam and mid east politics and follow a lot of it on twitter, but if anyone misguidedly follows me back I warn them. In my world I am a sex work activist, in their world, whether they personally agree or not, I am “haram”. It is not fair, it is not equality, etc and so forth, but IT IS…and following someone like me on twitter is not worth the trouble it could cause. Everything we do carries a burden of responsibility, and in dating an MP, Olivia neglected hers.Life is not fair that way.
- Bandini
April 14, 2016 at 11:20 am -
Gaye, I’ve seen no evidence of the public-purse being plundered: the famed trip (MTV Awards, and I pity anyone who had to sit through THAT) was apparently paid for by MTV themselves, as is usual for their guests.
By the time he would have been registering his interests the press were already on to the story. This may explain why he didn’t declare it despite having previously declared similar trips: it was within the rules NOT to declare it so why give them more ammunition?- Gaye Dalton
April 14, 2016 at 8:54 pm -
I haven’t exactly been following the story, as I said, but I noticed reliable sources citing quite a chunk of change in a very different context. But 1 and 3 are far more significant. The establishment is a club with rules…break the rules and all hell will break loose, the demi mondaine is very similar. They were both grown ups, they knew this.
It isn’t fair, but it was bound to happen.
- Gaye Dalton
- Bandini
- Eric
April 14, 2016 at 3:24 am -
Surely double standards here. We have the Minister in charge of implementing the Leveson proposals with a private life- if the claims about the lady are true- that is inexplicably ignored by the media when it’s exactly the sort of story they love, who at the same time are screeching about not being able to print a tale about a sportsman who allegedly had a threesome. The whole British newspaper culture is ghastly.
- Peter MacFarlane
April 14, 2016 at 11:36 am -
Why are SO MANY politicians into various dodgy things of one sort and another in their personal lives? Dating sites, weird perversions, strange fetishisms, BDSM, you name it…
Have I led a quiet life?
Are these things much more common generally, than I have noticed in the last sixty-odd years, or is it something about the kind of people who want to boss everyone else about?
- Eric
April 15, 2016 at 1:13 am -
They are only human with foibles just like you & me. Well maybe not you.
- Eric
- Bandini
April 14, 2016 at 11:58 am -
David Aaronovitch has a piece in The Times: Mr Whittingdale and the Protocols of the Elders of Newsprint!
It has been ‘shared’ by a Times-subscriber on Twitter and so is available to all; I’m not sure if said subscriber has broken some rule or not so won’t add the link. Search and ye shall find…Hacked Off’s supporters’ hypocrisy is two-fold, it seems to me: firstly their sudden eagerness for private lives to be invaded by the press, and secondly their using of the ‘scandal’ to try & extract a result from the government – which is exactly what they accuse the Elders of Newsprint of doing (albeit with one shadowy group aiming FOR full implementation of Leveson and the other arguing AGAINST).
- Bandini
April 14, 2016 at 12:03 pm -
Oh for God’s sake! Peter Jukes has taken umbrage at Aaronovitch’s wit, perhaps because he has none himself:
“Word to the wise @DAaronovitch – delete and rephrase. This debases the language and undermines anti racism”It’s a reference to lunatic conspiracy theories, Peter! You know, those that involve Robin Lustig and Roy Greenslade as the evil minions of Rupert Murdoch! What a nutter!!!
- Bandini
- Pericles Xanthippou
April 14, 2016 at 3:45 pm -
I wonder whether ‘Hacked Off’ and Lord Hall-Hall have deliberately misstated the response of the newspapers that declined to run with the story. They’ve repeatedly quoted those organs as saying its publication was ‘not in the public interest’; they might have said that but I bet what they actually said was ‘of no interest to the public’.
In my respectful submission, if we accept homogamy — and, according to the law as it stands, we do — there can be no reason for the existence of any sexual scandal that does not physically or mentally harm the participants or any-one else and doesn’t involve animal abuse.
ΠΞ
- Ho Hum
April 14, 2016 at 4:24 pm -
- Ho Hum
April 14, 2016 at 4:26 pm - Michael J. McFadden
April 14, 2016 at 6:00 pm -
Heh, she wants to crack down on “racial homophobic abuse”?
I wonder what she thinks of the sort of abuse in my Wall Of Hate? http://bit.ly/Wall-Of-Hate
– MJM
- Ho Hum
April 14, 2016 at 7:35 pm -
No problem
The Sorting Hat put her into HuffnPuff at birth
- Ho Hum
- Ho Hum
- IlovetheBBC
April 14, 2016 at 5:27 pm -
Watching Rowe in action is pretty repugnant. When she sensed the great unwashed British public were underwhelmed by the revelations, she started tweeting additional salacious details to come – he’s used whores for years, he knew what she did for a living all along, he snorts coke, etc etc. I’ve noticed with her though, she rarely actually follows up with anything resembling proof.
Meanwhile she tweets happily with people who think prostitutes are disgusting creatures who generally lower the tone of British public life. She’s a one-trick pony. And she’s deep, deep into this mess for sure.- Gaye Dalton
April 17, 2016 at 12:21 am -
We follow each other on twitter…she strikes me as down to earth and fun…just another one of us whores…I got the surprise of my life when she mentioned Osbourne one or twice.
- Gaye Dalton
- Gaye Dalton
April 17, 2016 at 12:23 am -
Anyway, it seems this was not the first time Whittingdale managed to accidentally take up with on of us…Daily Mail has it in the morning.
As I said, the sins are indiscretion and presuming to play the Whitehall Game without heeding the rules.
- Moor Larkin
April 18, 2016 at 10:44 am -
Has Whiitingdale’s failure to DO anything about the BBC led to the rest of the MSM to declare open season on him again?
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