Global Swarming…
Listening to Radio 4 in the car the other day, to a sympathetic voice interviewing one of the sad ISIS fighters migrants refugees trafficked persons, that had just been hauled out of the briny by an Italian rescue boat, something about their story stopped me in my tracks.
‘Did they say they were Libyan?’ I asked Mr G. There was a nondescript grunt. ‘Before that; where did they say they came from?’ ‘I don’t know’. He really is totally useless at times, never pays attention to these details. ‘I’ve got 20 tonne of Scania sitting on my bumper’ he said, by way of lame excuse. ‘If you’re so bloody interested why don’t you try paying attention’. Honestly! Men!
Which is by way of explanation as to why I had to painstakingly Google to fill in the missing gaps of this story. All I could remember of the story was that the woman was eight months pregnant, and had described a terrifying life in Libya of rape, murder, and other atrocities that had forced her and her husband to take the perilous journey across the Mediterranean in a leaky boat after handing thousands of euros to a people smuggler.
Naturally the interviewer was concerned for her welfare – eight months pregnant is not the time to be undertaking a journey like that, and in no time at all, the BBC had been instrumental in making sure she was whisked away in an ambulance to a hospital for a scan and check-up. She returned a couple of hours later and both husband and interviewer were palpably relieved that both she and the baby had suffered no ill effects from the journey and were now safe in the European Union. She was so delighted to have just been told that she was having a baby girl, that in gratitude to the crew of the rescue boat, she was going to call the baby ‘Dignity’.
To Google! ‘Libyan’, ‘eight months pregnant’ ‘rescued’ ‘Italian ship’ – 369,000 results! Hopefully many repeating the same story….[Ed: Shurly?]
There was something else to this tale; something I missed while I was staring out of the car window admiring the Norfolk countryside. That’s it! The bit about her being Nigerian. I had been paying attention. Even if Mr G hadn’t.
Christina and Samuel. Who would ‘rather die’ than stay in Libya. Who felt ‘persecuted in Libya’ and thus willing to risk this journey. They weren’t Libyans at all. They were Nigerians. She’d said she had a beauty parlour in Libya doing false nails – business was better there than in Nigeria…before the fall of Gaddafi. After that, there were all these muggings and rapes and torture and all manner of dreadful things which meant ‘they had to flee across the Mediterranean’ even though she was eight months pregnant.
So, left Nigeria with husband, ran a successful business in Libya, builds up some savings – and then it all goes wrong, war breaks out, frightening situation…
At what point in that scenario do you arrive at the decision that getting pregnant is a good idea, and having done so, instead of heading back south to ‘home’, i.e. Nigeria, family, friends, you elect to give all your savings to a people smuggler and travel north across the Mediterranean in a leaky boat?
Is this grounds for asylum? Should it be? Given the number of Nigerians my Google search turned up in similar circumstances;
A baby born at sea on Christmas Day after his Nigerian mother was plucked from a floundering migrant boat by the Italian navy has been baptised Testimony Salvatore in honour of the medics who delivered him.
I’m originally from Nigeria and I had been living in Libya for five years when the war broke out. I had a good life: I was working as a tailor and I earned enough to send money home to loved ones.
“No one knew where we were going,” says Vincent Collins, a 24-year-old Nigerian who arrived here a day ago. His pregnant wife Jennifer is locked in a separate cell. “Everyone had an idea, everyone was trying to drive the boat,” Collins adds. “We were just following the sun.”
I decided to leave Nigeria because my husband works in Libya and I wanted to take care of him. Staying in Libya is not easy, the fight is too much. You don’t sleep at night and people bust into your house, steal your possessions and rape your wife – they do horrible things. You can work but they will burst into your house and collect everything you worked for. It is not safe for we Nigerians, they kill many of us. […] We believe Europe is better than Libya. I hope my baby will have a better life but I know it’s going to be hard.
I’m sure Europe is better than Libya, and I have much sympathy with Libyans seeking to escape Libya – although there do not seem to be as many of them:
A small number of Libyans are also among those travelling to Lampedusa. Thirty-six-year-old Babacar told IRIN he left Tripoli after being treated badly because he is of African descent. “I hid my identity card inside my shoe in case Libyan authorities stopped me from leaving,” he said. “They are happy for the African workers to leave. But I was afraid they would ask for my documents, find out I was Libyan and send me back. Or something worse,” he said.
I am puzzled by the interviewer, who was obviously aware that whilst he waxed lyrical about the dangers of living in Libya, which is incontrovertible – he didn’t question why these people hadn’t returned to their own country. They could just as easily turned south as north.
There are undoubted dangers in Nigeria – if you are homosexual, for instance, or a Christian living in Boko Haram controlled areas. However, married couples with their children are presumably not homosexuals, and if these people were Christians fleeing Muslim controlled areas, they would not have chosen to reside and work in Muslim controlled Libya would they?
I’m puzzled.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 14, 2015 at 9:23 am -
Light the true blue touchpaper of Xenophobia and retire…
- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 9:33 am -
One might guess she was a Princess and felt that the financial expertise in Europe might make it easier for her to release the £16M she has in that bank account she wrote to you about a while back. If only you, and all the other unfeeling Westerners, had all sent the deposits and bank details as requested in the first place, we might have saved Europe from this mess.
Without wishing to divert from the thrust of modern migration, there was another strange Nigerian story on the BBC World Service last week. A few weeks/months ago they were reporting that the nasty Muslims were insisting that Polio Vaccination was some Western Voodoo and thus the children were all succumbing to the scourge of that disease. Lo and behold, last week the Nigerians announced that the incidence of Polio in their country had reduced to practically zero… The BBC had some explaining to do. The world is just a great big Daily Onion sometimes.
- Cloudberry
August 14, 2015 at 9:50 am -
Perhaps some of them ended up in Libya en route to Europe or had been living in Libya and decided to leave for Europe because of the unrest.
http://www.caritas.org/femalefaceofmigration/Caritas_On_Migration/NigeriaToLibya.html
http://www.nairaland.com/777670/libya-war-better-than-nigeria- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 10:10 am -
I love how they have time to post lyrical prose on web forums before marching off into destitution and the deserts, having forked over the many thousands of pounds for the privilege first…
- Rossa
August 15, 2015 at 12:34 pm -
That was my first thought. Where do they get thousands of Euros (or the local equivalent) to hand over to the traffickers? Even running your own nail business wouldn’t exactly earn you a lot in a war torn country.
And pictures of a lot of refugees in Camp Jungle show most of them with iPhones and wearing decent clothes and shoes. Not exactly an image of poverty stricken, are they?!
- Rossa
- Moor Larkin
- Cloudberry
- Ho Hum
August 14, 2015 at 9:58 am -
Are we allowed to consider the practicalities, or is that not part of the game?
Flying today? Tripoli Airport live departure board isn’t exactly overflowing with flights to Nigeria. In fact it hardly has any flights at all. A grand total of 2 departures between 9am and 3 pm, one of which is by an airline if almost put money on that no one here had ever heard of. And you should check the cost of getting to Lagos via Istambul….
By rail? Don’t be silly
By road. 2 days 9hrs at approx 2200 miles to Kano, on Trans-Sahara Highway N1, via Algeria and Niger. Note the ‘Sahara’ bit
All said and done, if I were desperate to get out of Libya, I think I’d settle for the northbound cruise option. Wouldn’t you?
- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 10:07 am -
In the fishing boat with holes. Devil and the deep blue sea comes to mind.
- Engineer
August 14, 2015 at 10:22 am -
Let’s just for a moment assume that the story about running a business in Libya is true. Let’s assume that business has dropped off, you’re eight months pregnant, and you need to leave Libya.
Choice between a ticket on a regular airline flight to home, even if there aren’t that many flights, or a cash-only deal with a dodgy geezer offering a leaky old boat to somewhere that’s not home.
Hmmm. Tough one….
- Peter MacFarlane
August 17, 2015 at 11:12 am -
You missed a bit:
“cash-only deal with a dodgy geezer offering a leaky old boat to somewhere that’s not home”…but is guaranteed to provide completely free health-care with no limits and no questions asked, plus a house to live in and money in your pocket, all with little or no harassment and the option to send for your relations later, all of whom will enjoy the same deal.
Not such a tough one now, perhaps?
- Peter MacFarlane
- Moor Larkin
- Jerry
August 14, 2015 at 10:06 am -
So many of us asking the same questions. Odd that our Govt. (of any flavour) seems happy enough to go along with the general gist of the tales told by these people. One gets the impression that, above all else, it’s not just being ‘safe’ that matters but the illusion of economic prosperity that Europe might bring. Thus, it makes no sense for them to return to the safety of their homelands. Of course, for many, the ultimate goal is the UK, where they know we have a benefits system and political culture that will see them right. If we are willing to be the mugs of Western Europe, you can hardly blame them for taking full advantage.
- Peter Raite
August 14, 2015 at 1:10 pm -
There’s a certain irony that the only people who seem to believe the UK is a benefits paradise are economic migrants and those most incensed about said economic migrants.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33907741
Ibrahim, 26, from Sudan, also believes better opportunities await across the Channel. “In England you get a big house,” he says.
None of the migrants can say where they got their information about Britain’s housing system. “You can work in England [but] I will be a student there,” Ibrahim adds. He says he will try to cross the Channel “every day” until he succeeds.
“France is no good,” says Robah. “In France there is no home and you spend months sleeping in the streets. It’s different in England. They give you a house then you can wait while you get documents.”
- Jerry
August 14, 2015 at 4:28 pm -
I’d not say it is a benefits paradise if you’ve actually paid in to the system for yourself or your family but it certainly seems to be if you’ve never done a day’s useful work whilst here. I’ve worked all my life and paid my NI but was told I would not get any ESA when I fell on hard times purely because I was responsible enough to save my money. However, I’m sure if I had just arrived and claimed asylum they’dd be falling over themselves to help. We all know it’s true.
- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 5:01 pm -
The same applies if you were born here. You can just be born into the asylum too.
http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/include/total_chart_welfare.png
- Moor Larkin
- Jerry
- Peter Raite
- JuliaM
August 14, 2015 at 10:50 am -
“Is this grounds for asylum? Should it be?”
Probably. And no bloody way!
- Duncan Disorderly
August 14, 2015 at 11:02 am -
Many of Gaddaffi’s fighters were actually mercenaries from sub-Saharan Africa.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/sep/02/libya-gaddafi-army-mercenaries-backlash“What began early last week as a series of security sweeps to uncover the remnants of Gaddafi’s loyalists has edged towards a larger and more troubling persecution. It is not a good time to be a sub-Saharan African here. It is an especially poor time to be black and in hospital with a gunshot wound.”
I am still utterly baffled by the Libya conflict. Does anybody really understand why Britain, let alone anyone else, bombed it? Given that Gaddafi gave up his tiny supply of WMDs in the preceding years, what kind of precedent did it set?
- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 11:15 am -
There was an interesting tweak the other day to the old news descriptions of the British chestnut media story of unexploded WWII bombs.
“The Ministry of Defence (MoD) said the German WW2 air delivered bomb could have caused “mass destruction” if it had detonated.”
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-33865166A bomb and mass destruction? Who’da thought it.
- Peter Raite
August 14, 2015 at 1:26 pm -
While not small, the Bethnal Green bomb, at 250 kg (not “500 lb” as widely reported), was at the lower end of the scale of what the Luftwaffe dropped, let alone what the Germans managed to lob at us.
- Ho Hum
August 14, 2015 at 1:40 pm -
- Peter Raite
August 14, 2015 at 1:54 pm -
The point is that 250 kg (or 249 kg) is closer to 550 lb than 500 lb. The media are particularly clueless when converting Imperial measures to metric, and vice versa. It’s not too bad when it’s something relatively small, but they have a habit of simply scaling up a low-end rounding to a degree that there’s a massive difference when applied to something much larger.
- Ho Hum
August 14, 2015 at 2:13 pm -
Ah!. I misunderstood what you wrote.
OK, so now that we have defined things more accurately, into how many more pieces into which he might be shredded by the extra 50lb should the average reader be concerned about or, maybe, how much further might he expect to travel, should the thing go off beside him? Or assuming he knows it’s there in the first place, how many more yards away should he stand?
And would the former matter too much to him or her anyway?
- Hadleigh Fan
August 14, 2015 at 10:37 pm -
The bigger the bomb the more explosive you get in the overall weight, which again affects which aircraft can carry it. The dear old RAF and the Yanks together dropped rather more on them than they did on us, although towards the end of the war they did try it on again with cruise missiles and ballistic missiles. The bombs of theirs that didn’t go off were sometimes designed to kill the bomb disposal people, and I’m not surprised they sometimes come to light. Ours often failed to go off because they were built in the same factories that later produced the Austin Allegro, with the same sort of workplace ethics. It’s rare for theirs to kill our people now, but not unusual for ours to kill them …
A 1000kg warhead is rather close to a ton (tonne) but 250 kg definitely can’t be multiplied by 2 (1kg = 2.204 lb). If you want Imperial units, 250kg is more like 5 cwt!
- Hadleigh Fan
- Barman
August 16, 2015 at 9:14 am -
It is probably just a rounding error…
Remember that journalists have to convert Kg to London Buses or Football Pitches before converting back to lb…
- Ho Hum
- Peter Raite
- Ho Hum
- Peter Raite
- Stewart Cowan
August 14, 2015 at 11:22 am -
Gaddafi was probably assassinated because he wanted to introduce a gold dinar throughout north Africa and the Middle East which would have ousted the US Dollar in the region.
All these countries: Iraq, Iran, Syria, Yemen, Sudan, etc., have to be tamed and their central banks brought under globalist control.
Are The Middle East Wars Really About Forcing the World Into Dollars and Private Central Banking?
- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 11:33 am -
makes a change from it being all about the oil I suppose.
- Rossa
August 15, 2015 at 12:49 pm -
Saddam Hussein was also targeted because he supported the idea of an Iranian Bourse where oil would be traded in other currencies, not just the petrodollar. Gaddafi also supported it.
More recently it seems to be a continuation of the struggle between Arabs who support the Palestinians which includes the Iranians, Yemenis and Syrians and the US/KSA/Israeli push for dominance in the Middle East. It seems certain that the Iranians see the nuclear deal in a somewhat different light to the Western propaganda, especially where the French are concerned.
http://thesaker.is/from-palestine-to-yemen-honour-and-shame-of-the-arab-world/
http://thesaker.is/iran-nuclear-deal-the-islamic-republic-sticks-to-its-guns/
- Rossa
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
August 14, 2015 at 12:59 pm -
According to some, maybe best to ask AFRICOM (est. 2007):
“United States Africa Command, in concert with interagency and international partners, builds defense capabilities, responds to crisis, and deters and defeats transnational threats in order to advance U.S. national interests and promote regional security, stability, and prosperity.”
http://www.africom.mil/what-we-do - Henry Wood
August 14, 2015 at 1:39 pm -
“I am still utterly baffled by the Libya conflict. Does anybody really understand why Britain, let alone anyone else, bombed it?”
‘Cos it wos part of the Arab Spring, wasn’t it? Do keep up at the back.
“If we kill Gaddafi his people will love us and thank us for giving them democracy.” – (Copied from sekrit message between the Hope & Change guy and Call Me Dave.)
- Ho Hum
August 14, 2015 at 1:46 pm -
It’s easy, isn’t it? As they don’t have Brownies, they have no concept of giving points for good deeds.
- Mudplugger
August 14, 2015 at 2:43 pm -
They’ve got plenty of brownies …… and blackies …… and duskies….. but they’re trying their best to off-load as many as they can in our direction. Otherwise known as the next generation of that nice Mr Corbyn’s voters.
- Mudplugger
- Ho Hum
- Moor Larkin
- Duncan Disorderly
August 14, 2015 at 11:12 am -
This article somewhat contradicts the last one, but has this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carina-ray/gaddafi-mercenaries_b_983506.html“Exploitation would turn out to be the least of their worries. In October 2000 a wave of xenophobic violence led to the deaths of hundreds of sub-Saharan Africans, and caused thousands more to flee Libya. Gaddafi responded to Libyan and European Union discontent over immigration, by tightening border controls and establishing detention camps where thousands of black African migrants awaited deportation in squalid conditions. Human Rights Watch has documented instances of migrants being dropped off in the desert by Libyan officials and left to die.”
- binao
August 14, 2015 at 11:32 am -
R4 & R4Ex are my wallpaper listening, but my respect for R4 news/current affairs vapourised long ago. It may lack the relentless control of some other broadcasters, but in my view indulges it’s staff’s personal outlook when it should be reporting.
But back to the travellers.
What about those left behind?
Of all the tens of millions in Africa, Asia, & the Middle East suffering from war, despotism & worse, or just wanting a better life, we’ll provide a new life (eventually) just for the ones that can get to Europe’s doorstep?
Hardly seems a sensible way forward.
re Engineer’s point about ‘a leaky old boat’. Fair enough, but in some of the areas of origin the standard locally isn’t set by Brittany Ferries either. Just an observation, not a lack of empathy.- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 11:35 am -
Fings aint what they used to be
http://news.images.itv.com/image/file/222413/image_update_fc440f5b7f2d461d_1371828278_9j-4aaqsk.jpeg
The 492 passengers paid £28/10s for the journey- Peter Raite
August 14, 2015 at 1:36 pm -
Ah, but then £28/10s in 1948 is the equivalent of between £925 and £3,400 today.
- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2015 at 3:03 pm -
Some of these money converters are bloody confusing though (I mean what sort of range is that!!?).
I asked one what £5k (a common price mentioned by some media as the cost of the modern Windrush experience) would have been worth in 1959 and the computer said that £5k now would have been worth only £236 in 1959, so go figure…
- Moor Larkin
- binao
August 14, 2015 at 2:14 pm -
But they came by invitation and already in possession of suitable documents I think.
- Daft Lassie
August 14, 2015 at 3:33 pm -
Funny how – photographed against the light like that – they all look like they’ve got black hands and faces!
- Daft Lassie
- Peter Raite
- Moor Larkin
- henry
August 14, 2015 at 2:46 pm -
Yesterday i rescued my sons cat from the main road ( it was having an asthma attack) and for my kindness it pissed all over me ,much like these asylum seekers will do!
- Daft Lassie
August 14, 2015 at 3:42 pm -
Interesting that the deputy chief magistrate in this case is one Emma Arbuthnot, wife of recently-retired-from-Parliament James Arbuthnot, of late, Tory MP for NE Hampshire. Whereas said G. Janner is an ex-Labour MP and peer.
If I were Janner’s Counsel, which Thank the Lord I’m Not, Sir, then I might be appealing this on the grounds of political prejudice.
As it is, Janner having been party to Labour fuqwittery, he deserves worse than he’ll undoubtedly not get …
- Anton
August 14, 2015 at 5:16 pm -
You ask why emigrant Nigerians “would not have chosen to reside and work in Muslim controlled Libya…I’m puzzled”. No need to be puzzled. Of course they would be happy to reside and work in Libya. The problem is that Libyans don’t like black Africans. It’s straightforward racism.
I’ve been to Libya. I know.
- woohoo02
August 14, 2015 at 7:58 pm -
Makes you think that Gaddaffi was not so bad, if so many, of diverse nationalities were allowed to start businesses and thrive.
- Engineer
August 14, 2015 at 9:09 pm -
Quite a lot of Libyan nationals ‘disappeared’, though. Gaddafi, like Saddam, was good at playing opposing groups against each other, keeping them in check (by extreme and brutal methods if need be), and staying as Top Dog. Whilst they remained as Top Dog, their countries were, outwardly at least, moderately peaceful. But……..benign, democratic, peaceful, law-abiding and ‘civilised’ they were not.
It’s not a good thing (to state the blindingly obvious) that Libya has decended into near anarchy, but repressing dissent for decades makes it all the more vicious when the controls on it are broken and it is finally unleashed.
- Engineer
- Cascadian
August 14, 2015 at 11:14 pm -
Libya-camoron broke it, you pay for it. Just like the sign in the gift shop says. Thank you camoron!
Libya was not a predominately muslim country until the likes of camoron, obama, clintoon and sarkozy decided that the arab spring was a good idea, turns out they were wrong, now the nutters are in charge.
And why is Europe ignoring the plight of christians at the hands of the nutters in the sub-Sahara area?
- Oi you
August 15, 2015 at 12:20 pm -
Who are the people traffickers, making themselves rich on the backs of human misery? How come they’re not being arrested and prosecuted? Something similar is going on at Calais, apparently. But our erstwhile leaders don’t seem to care.
- John Derbyshire
August 17, 2015 at 11:41 am -
The whole tragedy of all this is that innocent people are suffering be it the refugee fleeing because he is not the right sect of Islam, or a Christian, the economic refugee who is fleeing from a country whose economy has collapsed because of a corrupt dictatorship or global commodity markets being fixed by the West. To these people the West with its values and economic prosperity is a beacon of hope in a world of darkness.
There is a number of reasons why we arrived at this situation and most of it can be placed at the door of American Foreign policy. When the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991, certain policy makers in the CIA turned their focus to other parts of the globe, General Wesley Clark Head of Nato admitted that he had seen a list of six countries that the Americans (CIA) wished to destabilise and replace their governments. Foreign policy experts warned against this policy, alas it went ahead. One of the foreign policy experts concerns was that overthrowing the regimes could lead to instability and a movement of people not seen since the end of Second World War.
The madness of this policy can now be seen, if we examine Syria, Iraq, and Libya much focus is placed on their leaders rather than the countries themselves, These countries where well advanced and not some Feudal Medieval State like Saudi Arabia which the Bush family had some close affinity, by any standard all could be classified as more advanced than some countries in Europe. They all had fault lines caused by the West’s divisions of the old Ottoman empire , repeating the same mistakes as in Africa in the 1880’s. All this was ignored by the policy makers who led us into this human tragedy unfolding before our eyes.
So to some extent we are responsible for this man made disaster, and rather than vent our anger on the people fleeing for their lives maybe we should turn our anger upon the American puppets who dragged this country into a war whose consequences we are still dealing with today. What is the old saying about those who sow the wind reap the whirlwind , sadly this is not true as the biggest losers will be the people who paid their taxes for these wars, those who will have to compete for housing and employment with these migrants, those waiting for operations on the NHS. Of course those who voted to go to war in the British Parliament will not face these problems and the man who was the chief spokesman for the war sits with net assets of $30 million worth of assets. How odd, Harold Wilson had to attend the Lords to top up his income. Yes, we where all conned, and where is the Chilcott Report on the Iraq War?
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