Time Gentlemen, Please!
Years ago, I found a small brass object hidden at the back of the drawer in a desk I had bought at auction. It sits on my windowsill to this day; partly testament to the years it took me to discover what it actually was. Nowadays you would photograph it, put the pic on Twitter and have the answer in minutes.
It is an Islamic astrolabe. According to Muslim beliefs, the prayer times were taught by Allah to Muhammad. Prayer times are standard for Muslims everywhere in the world – a significant problem before watches were invented. This ingenious device allowed you to calculate which way you should be facing, and at a simultaneous time, to say your prayers wherever you happened to be. There are different layers of brass inserts according to where you might have travelled to; needless to say, since it was invented around the 8th century, it doesn’t include places like Manhattan, confining itself to Damascus or Mecca for instance. The medieval merchant was basically a stay-at-home-booby.
This presented a problem when the Arab world and the Western world started to meet up – or rather not meet, since they were working on two different time keeping methods. There is a delightful episode in Adam Curtis’ Bitter Lake (at 20.52 if you are interested), where a western business man in Saudi Arabia tries to explain the difficulties of doing business in a country where you have some people with their clock aligned to GMT, some (Americans) with their clocks aligned to GMT + or – according to wherever they originated from, and some, the potential customers, who relied on resetting their watches to midnight at sunset, er, which was plus or minus 6 hours from whenever the sun went down. ‘Monday night’ in Arabia generally meant the period of darkness from sunset Sunday to sunrise on Monday morning. Hence an unwary Westerner who made an appointment with a Saudi host for ‘Monday night’, irrespective of the hour, could have arrived 24 hours late.
The British introduced Greenwich meantime to Saudi Arabia in 1968; then the American military arrived, and brought with them something called ‘Zulu time’ which was basically GMT rehashed but without reference to any pesky British places – at one point Saudi Arabia had seven different time keeping methods in force. To lessen the confusion, an inspired watchmaker invented a curious-looking watch sold in the bazaars of Jiddah and Riyadh. It had two dials and four hands, so you could set one half to Arabic time and join the crowd, and set the other dial to whatever time system your prospective client was using.
If adopting the time system of the countries you wish to communicate with is a sign of rejecting isolationism, then deliberately rejecting the time system of other countries could be a powerful method of signalling your wish to be left outside of their cosy GMT system. No surprises then that North Korea has just rejected the infernal running dog capitalist’s method of setting their watches.
They have invented ‘Pyongyang time’. On August 15th, the 70th anniversary of Japan’s humiliating retreat from the Korean peninsula, Pyongyang time, which is half an hour behind ‘Japanese time’ will take effect, and 24 million North Koreans, at least those of them who own a (probably) Japanese watch, will no longer share the time of day with any infidel Japanese.
“The wicked Japanese imperialists committed such unpardonable crimes as depriving Korea of even its standard time” says the state run North Korean press agency – so they are celebrating the anniversary by having that half hour back again. Of course, Japan runs on Universal Coordinated time, not wanting to be reminded of pesky British towns either, which in Korea is 9 hours ahead of Japan…
If you are a Saudi Arabian salesman trying to supply the US with products manufactured in the Kaesong industrial complex on the border of North and South Korea, and which employes people from both sides of the border, next week is going to leave you as frustrated as the legendary US business man, one Mr Higgins, who ran a power station on the Arabian peninsula.
He had employees showing up for work in the middle of the night and going home in what, to him, was the middle of the day – making it impossible to efficiently manufacture power.
He imposed ‘Higgins time’ on the entire complex and forced everyone to adhere to it, thus giving Saudi its seventh time keeping system…
The plant ran on ‘Higgins time’ for the next 20 years, long after he had left. Only Allah knows which of the other six systems that plant runs on today; Google has let me down.
The human capacity to complicate life is truly historic.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 9, 2015 at 10:07 am -
My clocks and watches all shew G.M.T. where ever I am and regardless of ‘daylight-saving time’. (What an absurd expression: as an Indian chief once put it, Only the white man could cut a foot off one end of a blanket, sew it to the other and think he’d made the blanket longer. … Or something like that.)
Navigators have the advantage of being able to effect the necessary calculation almost automatically; my way of doing things might not suit all. (I usually do adjust for summer &c. time on those often complicated central-heating controllers: just because it’s easier to do that.)
Brilliant research, as usual, Mme. Raccoon.
ΠΞ
- Engineer
August 9, 2015 at 12:07 pm -
‘Daylight Saving Time’ has a long history of provoking contempt amongst the natives. Back in the bad old days of Double Summer Time, in parts of Scotland GMT was known as ‘God’s Time’, BST as ‘Government Time’ and BDST as ‘Daft Time’.
For the life of me I can’t understand the reason for BST. If you need more daylight, get up a bit earlier. No amount of horological fiddling will ever alter the fact that the sun is at its highest in the sky at mid-day.
- Engineer
- Fredbear
August 9, 2015 at 10:25 am -
Here in SW France we have Charente Maritime time which means that all functions, private and official, start 15 minutes late. This can also be referred to ‘”wife getting ready time ” (ducks sharply to avoid brickbat).
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 9, 2015 at 10:52 am -
Even in the ‘civilised’ world, time can be time consumingly difficult and minuteously complex.
The Bestes But Insanest Frau In The World (who btw runs on whatever time it is on whichever planet she finds herself on in that instant) rang up her son, Father of her 2nd Granddaughter, Youngest Dwarfson, inorder to arrange a time for us to go over to take Granddaughter down the lane for a walk to see the American cars (yes, in Norfolk you will find specialist Garages, miles from anywhere, at the bottom of lanes which haven’t been resurfaced since the tar spreaders were horse driven).
Youngest Dwarfson: “come over at half past two”
Bestes Wife (unusually sane)translated out of German: “Ok, so you mean half three?”
Youngest Dwarfson: “Uhm…oh yeah..German half TOWARDS like three?”
The Blocked Dwarftranslated out of the Hessian: “Can we make that ten past two quarters of three”?
Bestes Wife & Youngest Dwarfson: “?!?!?!”
The Blocked Dwarf: “14:40”- Peter Raite
August 10, 2015 at 2:28 pm -
IIRC the Dutch convention is that the minutes are those before the stated hour, so “three-thirty” is actually 14:30. I have only just found out today that until the German occupation, de Nederlanders operated on a GMT offset of -20 minutes, known as “Amsterdam Time.”
- Peter Raite
- Ed P
August 9, 2015 at 11:00 am -
The Greenwich Observatory has fascinating relics & reminders of before when Britain’s railways synchronised their clocks with the new-fangled invention of electrical pulses sent station to station. Previously every station had their own local time, which could vary by as much as 30 minutes from the next main stop.
- Engineer
August 9, 2015 at 12:16 pm -
Quite true. It meant that trains given equal time for the journey between two places could dawdle along in one direction, and go like the clappers in the opposite direction just to keep to timetable. Not such a problem when hauling coal, but difficult to deal with when passengers (or ‘self-loading freight’ as they’re known on some railways) became a possible source of revenue.
The canals didn’t have that problem. A promised delivery time of ‘Wednesday week’ could be kept quite well enough without synchronised watches.
- Dave
August 9, 2015 at 7:34 pm -
I grew up in Hayle in Cornwall. 200 years ago it was arguably the most technically advanced town in the world. Harvey’s was the foundry that cast all the parts for Richard Trevithick’s pioneering steam road vehicle, and their beam engines and cast iron drain pipes etc were used all over the world. It was one of the few safe harbours on the treacherous north coast of Cornwall.
Harveys built a harbour complex to handle all the imports and exports, and in the late 1830s one the earliest railways terminated outside the works in Foundry Square. The GWR took over the railway and rebuilt the track on a different alignment that took the track on a viaduct that passed within a few feet of Harvey’s offices which were capped with an impressive clock tower with four faces.
To this day the different faces of the clock show different times. The face that faces the docks and foundry shows local time, while the clock face that can be seen from the railway station shows London time- a difference of 20 minutes
- Dave
- Engineer
- Chris
August 9, 2015 at 11:35 am -
‘Bitter Lake’ could well be the finest docu-film ever – everything about it is superbly done. There is a lot about the real ‘Arab World’ (not the consumerist Westernised construct) beyond their religions that is also unfathomable to the average person.
Then I discovered Adam Curtis’s ‘back catalogue’ is equally marvellous & thought-provoking, having only noticed relatively recently via his inserts on Charlie Brooker’s programme.- Moor Larkin
August 9, 2015 at 11:47 am -
Curtis has done a ten part series about the enigma of Afghanistan.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/adamcurtis/tags/afghanistanfromPt1:”I am researching the extraordinary history of the West’s relationship to Afghanistan over the past 200 years. It is a very complex, and sometimes weird, story. These are notes on some of the characters and episodes involved.”
Part Two … “In early 1970s the Italian conceptual artist, Alighiero e Boetti often visited the hotel he had bought in Kabul, Number One Hotel. By 1972 it was being used not just by Boetti’s friends but by more and more western travellers.”
from Pt4: “The more you dig into the history of the West’s relationship to Afghanistan, the more complicated it gets. In 1978 a group of Afghan marxists overthrew the royal family. They set out to turn Afghanistan into a modern socialist utopia but it quickly descended into bloody horror.”
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
August 9, 2015 at 11:42 am -
When I was a child we had breakfast time, lunch time, dinner time, maybe even supper time, but most certainly…. bed time.
But my favourite was always play time. Bath time wasn’t bad either, so long as it only came from time to time and not every day. - Ho Hum
August 9, 2015 at 11:44 am -
To ensure that ship chronometers, notoriously difficult to calibrate but the accuracy of which was essential for celestial navigation, were set to a common correct time, someone in Edinburgh came up with the notion that it would be more efficient to have one that was kept absolutely accurate and synchronise others to that.
The means of passing on a single correct point in time to multiple users saw the origin of the hoisting of, and then it’s dropping at precisely one o’clock, the ball signal on Edinburgh’s Calton Tower (which is in the form of an inverted telescope, built to commemorate Nelson, his victory and death at Trafalgar), this being visible to all shipping in the Firth of Forth.
As there can frequently be difficulty in seeing anything in the Firth of Forth, a cable system was set up to connect the Tower to the Castle, from which a gun was also fired (one assumes that they were clever enough to make some adjustment for the difference between the speeds of light and sound.
This charming custom continues to this day, if for no other good reason that it sometimes helps to cull the weaker members of the species, as they die in Princes Street from their resultant heart attacks
- Wigner’s Friend
August 9, 2015 at 1:23 pm -
A similar system operates in Sydney.
- Wigner’s Friend
- Hadleigh Fan
August 9, 2015 at 2:02 pm -
One of my students on a geology field course asked me for the loan of a compass so that he could point towards Mecca for his prayers. “Now, exactly what is the bearing of Mecca from the Lake District?” I asked, while showing him how to use the gadget.
“39°” came his prompt reply. Even I knew that was wrong, but he would brook no discussion, the Imam had told him. Now Mecca isn’t 39° from anywhere in Pakistan, let alone anywhere in the UK, so I gave up being helpful and let him pray to somewhere in Scandinavia.
Some time later it dawned on me: 21.4° N, 39.8° E are the coordinates of Mecca, so either the boy was dense (yes!) or the Imam, or both.
- Engineer
August 9, 2015 at 2:56 pm -
All must bow down and worship before the great god IKEA, who hath usurped the lesser god MFI.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 9, 2015 at 3:04 pm -
I believe the hebrew word for ‘Father’ is ‘Abba’….
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
August 9, 2015 at 6:16 pm -
Confusing, because apparently ‘bar’ means the same (in Aramaic, the common language of the Holy Land) so who was Barabbas who was released by that nice Mr Pontius Pilate?
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 9, 2015 at 7:22 pm -
AFAIK ‘Bar’ means ‘Son of’ and ‘abba’ father. So Barabbas just means ‘son of the father’. Much theological ink , and probably not a little blood, has been spilt on trying to discern the ‘missing name’ or who Jesus Barabbas really was. An unfortunate omission that is an open invitation to conspiracy theorists and nutjobs.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 9, 2015 at 8:55 pm -
I suspect the imam had noted the latitude (39º…) and, unable to resolve the spherical trig. or possibly just not understanding what the numbers meant at all, had quoted that as the azimuth.
ΠΞ
- Hadleigh Fan
August 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm -
Pericles, I think you are probably right. He was a nice lad, even if he did dress up like Bin Laden, and wondered why he always got stopped at airports. But neither he, nor his Imam, had a clue about which direction to point!
PS. Can you do the spherical trig? I was going to do it graphically with great circles on a stereonet. It’s somewhere around 120 degrees from the N of England, and it sure isn’t 39 degrees compass bearing!
- Moor Larkin
August 10, 2015 at 8:14 am -
Isn’t this whole “direction of Mecca” thing predicated on a Flat Earth? I daresay an astronomer would be able to calculate which is the first celestial body your direction of gaze would meet, as the straight line of your religious feeling leaves the surface of the earth to begin it’s tangential journey across the Cosmos. Unless religious energy waves are actually held down by gravity but that would seem to be most counter-intuitive, although with Allah all may be possible to imagine. If this is indeed the case though, surely it would be equally possible to face one of two direcetion, on the appropriate bearing, knowing that your waves will speed around the globe, held down by gravity like some esoteric Cruise Missile of faith and ultimately would arrive at Mecca, but just take a while longer if you went one way, rather than the other, although roughly checking my toy globe would suggest that any Muslims in Alaska or Vladivostok could go east, west or north and arrive at much the same time. South would be the more leisurely route.
- Mudplugger
August 10, 2015 at 8:26 am -
The statistical probability of there being an ‘Almighty’ of whatever faith is roughly equivalent to that of the earth being flat, i.e. as near as dammit to zero percent. Therefore the whole process is predicated on fact-free froth and fable, so what’s it matter which direction anyone chooses to point for their pointless posturing?
- Moor Larkin
August 10, 2015 at 8:57 am -
You cling to the notion that maybe, just maybe, the earth is flat? Allah be praised…
- Edgar
August 10, 2015 at 1:17 pm -
Perhaps you need to examine your understanding of statistics. A statistician of the frequentist persuasion would say that no probability could be assigned to the existence of an ‘Almighty’ because there is nothing on which to base a hypothesised probability distribution. A Bayesian, on the other hand, would say that the (prior) probability distribution for the existence of an ‘Almighty’ is anything you want it to be: the problem being what constitues evidence to modify it?
- Moor Larkin
- Mudplugger
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 10, 2015 at 12:56 pm -
Hadleigh Fan, I’m taking your location as 54.4ºN. and 2.9ºW. (round numbers putting you in Westmorland, a couple of miles from Bowness).
The zenith* distance (sc. range) to Mecca would be 2,758′. The azimuth* 147º T.
* Just a couple of the many terms we sea-farers (Ahaarrrrr! Yes, thank you, Robert.) borrow from Arabic: appropriate, what?
Magnetic variation in the Lake District is around 2º W. at the moment (declining by 10′ per annum). Although I don’t imagine you have a gyroscopic compass about your person on field trips, I think Ahmed might just as well ignore that.
(Two apologies: first, that ought to have been ‘the imam had noted the longitude’; secondly, for the delay in replying: my computer’s packing up. I shall have to leave the tent with it soon; I might be some time.)
ΠΞ
- Moor Larkin
August 10, 2015 at 1:06 pm -
Bloody hell. No wonder they have to pray so much for guidance.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 10, 2015 at 1:18 pm -
I’ve never even given any thought to the matter but do devout Muslims normally carry around a set of tables giving them suitable guidance on the azimuth of Mecca in divers locations? Do they just make a reasonable guess?
ΠΞ
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Moor Larkin
- Pericles Xanthippou
September 7, 2015 at 7:42 am -
Hadleigh Fan, I owe you an and your Muslim friend an apology.
It had troubled me at the time that it was so close to (little more than 30º from) due South: in my haste I had taken a wrong angle in the calculation of the azimuth of Mecca from Westmorland and actually given you the reverse of the azimuth of Westmorland from Mecca!
The correct azimuth is 119º, not 147º.
Sorry.
ΠΞ
- Moor Larkin
- Hadleigh Fan
- Engineer
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 9, 2015 at 2:02 pm -
https://annaraccoon.com/2015/08/09/time-gentlemen-please
Dear Landlady, titling posts in such a way as to suggest your recent demise gives a dwarf palpitations. Seriously woman, when I saw that which is bolded flash up in the url box I fair had one of my turns and only now after a morning’s housework and an afternoon nap do I feel calm enough to remonstrate with you.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 9, 2015 at 8:56 pm -
Hear, hear. ΠΞ
- Pericles Xanthippou
- Jonathan King
August 9, 2015 at 4:05 pm -
I was once scheduled to interview Stevie Wonder in Los Angeles and was warned he worked on “Wonder Time”. After three days I left – leaving him a note (hopefully translated) saying “Sorry I work on King time and have other things to do”.
- Moor Larkin
August 9, 2015 at 5:40 pm -
I’m guessing you gave Hammer Time a miss…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_2lqnTuxjg
Of course, on the other hand, you were possibly the Svengali behind it…
- Moor Larkin
- David
August 9, 2015 at 5:23 pm -
This topic has reminded me of an amusing story I found in the book ‘Greenwich Time and the Longitude’. Back in the days when the Post Office distributed the Greenwich time signal by landline to various locations around the country there was some question over the cost of providing reserve circuits. When the line from London to Bristol came under review, it was found that there was no trace of any circuit beyond Bristol. Upon investigation, it was established that, years before, the circuit went to a Customs and Excise and Coastguard centre on the Somerset coast. Changes had resulted in the centre’s operations being reduced and only a single Coastguard remained.
The engineers traced what was left of the circuit and made a visit to the Coastguard where it was found that a rod and ball was present in the window with a notice that at 9am the ball would drop to indicate Greenwich time. The Coastguard admitted that he had not received a time signal for some time but as the locals expected a time signal he obliged by knocking the ball down with a stick at 9am. When asked how he got the time he said that by standing on a chair and looking along and across the road he could see by the Brown’s big clock when to knock the ball down.
He was told to cease the practice and the engineers went along to examine Brown’s clock, which they found to be only 15 seconds slow. Asked how he kept the clock at the correct time, he said: ‘Oh, that’s easy. By standing on my stool and peering sideways along and across the road, I can just see in the Coastguard’s front window the brass ball fall on the rod’.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 9, 2015 at 6:53 pm -
Having laughed myself on reading that, I have just recounted that anecdote, in German, to The Bestes Frau In The World. Her response was merely a perplexed “But why would anyone have a clock that was 15 seconds slow?”.
Yes, both her parents were native Prussians.
- Pericles Xanthippou
August 9, 2015 at 8:56 pm -
Outstanding! Have to share that story. ΠΞ
- JimS
August 9, 2015 at 10:47 pm -
I wonder how they made connection to the trans-Atlantic/Empire cables?
If clock A is set against clock B and clock B is set against clock A then the setting errors are cumulative and (eventually) will be noticed, what then?
As discussed earlier I too have never understood this idea that we gain and lose hours of daylight by playing about with the clock. This reaches the height of stupidity when it is suggested that we move to Berlin time because, by the same logic, Berlin should move its time eastward too, and so on. Which is pretty much the same logic as the above example.
- Peter Raite
August 10, 2015 at 2:36 pm -
This must surely be the inspiration for the episode of Ben and Holly’s Little Kingdom, in which the Wise Old Elf is appalled to discover that the distant bell by which the Great Elf Clock is reset each day at 12:00, is in fact Nanny Plum ringing the dinner bell when her tummy rumbles!
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Andrew Duffin
August 10, 2015 at 10:17 am -
If you want someone to be on time for an appointment, specify an unreasonably precise non-standard time – for instance, eleven minutes past ten.
Your interlocutor will be impressed – “eleven minutes past! It must be really important…” and with a bit of luck they’ll be on time.
On the other hand if you’d said ten past, they’ll reckon any time soon after ten will do; and if you’d said “soon after ten”, then they’ll think any time after ten and before eleven would do – like 1055 for instance.
Works for me.
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