Milk Marketing.
A reader of this parish, a blissfully content new grandfather, which makes a change from his usual curmudgeonly, contrarian, argumentative self, in between making coochy-coo noises and blowing bubbles at his new granddaughter, decided to do something practical towards the smooth running of the junior dynastic household.
He would pay for the first month’s supply of milk formula and nappies and present them to the proud mother and father. A most commendable idea. A damn sight more practical than half a metre of furry fabric fashioned into a facsimile of Ella in ‘Frozen’, a film that will be long forgotten by the time said new addition realises what it is that she’s been chewing on…
He applied himself to his weekly shopping on-line with Tesco. ’72 nappies suitable for a newborn, please’. No problem Sir, that will be £21.00 – or you can have them for £16.00 each if you buy two or more packs, we like customers who buy lots’.
Then he tried to buy Cow and Gate First Infant Milk Formula – and was puzzled that Tesco suddenly didn’t like customers who buy lots – the Milk Formula was rationed to two tins per order. Could there really be that many new born babies in Britain that rationing had been instituted? Was this a child protection issue – Tesco trying to ensure that ‘rings’ weren’t grooming new borns by plying them with extra tins of First Infant? Could you overdose on First Infant if you had access to more than two tins? Was it an ingredient in the traditional milk bottle Molotov cocktail?
Naturally he wrote to Ms Raccoon to find out. And verrily, Ms Raccoon groaned to herself. I mean what in God’s name does Ms Raccoon know about nappies and milk formula? Or want to know. Or need to know. Or has ever expressed the slightest inclination regarding wanting to know. Or anything. Grr.
Beside which, this is an old story, weren’t the Chinese buying bulk supplies and starving hard working British newborns into the gutter or something two years ago?
But she is rather fond of the newly moist-eyed grandfather, especially when he is at his wittiest rather than blowing bubbles, and he did make her howl with laughter on a day when her new windows were being fitted in a force nine gale, and that takes some doing; so she resolved to solve the great Milk Formula shortage. Couldn’t take more than five minutes could it? Keep an old commentator happy? Show willing?
Welcome to the Milk Formula rabbit-hole.
The first surprise is that Milk Formula belongs to a narrow band of products like Tobacco and some Prescription Drugs that are not illegal in themselves, but can be illegal to advertise. Infant Milk Formula even has its own special set of laws: (note: there is a difference between ‘infant’ milk formula, and what is termed ‘follow-on formula’ for older babies and that difference is another minefield in itself).
Infant Formula and Follow-on Formula Regulations (2007).
(1) No person shall at any place where any infant formula is sold by retail—
(a) advertise any infant formula;
(b) make any special display of an infant formula designed to promote […]
(d) promote the sale of an infant formula by means of premiums, special sales, loss-leaders or tie-in sales; or
(e) undertake any other promotional activity to induce the sale of an infant formula.
So, no two for one offers, no reduced prices if you buy two, in fact no inducements to buy whatsoever….er, read on…..
You see, no one ever ‘returns’ to breast feeding. You breast feed from date of birth, or not at all. Hence the battle to sell you milk formula from day one. A battle in which the manufacturer’s hands are firmly tied.
I thought the battle ground was in African countries, but it turns out that Britain is second only to plucky little Belgium when it comes to a reticence to breast feed. 25% of British babies have never had breast milk.
Cow & Gate, the brand of Infant Formula that my reader wants, is made by Danone. Danone, an Irish firm, also make a more expensive – ‘Premium’ – product called Aptamil. Two years ago, Cow & Gate was priced at £10.40 and Aptamil at £12.00. When the NHS were forced to investigate during the previous ‘the Chinese are buying all our baby milk’ scare, they inadvertently discovered that the contents of both products were identical, only the packaging differed. Interesting.
It was also found that there are considerable difficulties in sending bulk supplies of British baby milk into China – the Chinese authorities won’t admit it unless it is labelled in Chinese. It would be dangerous to feed a new born babe on the ‘Follow-on’ Formula for obvious reasons, and if you can’t read the label you can’t tell the difference. Labels printed to comply with EU regulations don’t feature Chinese. There may have been a few isolated cases of Chinese families resident here sending some infant formula back to their own families, but no large scale export.
However, the press releases issued to explain the disappearance of Infant Formula from British supermarkets in 2012/13 possibly being down to those dastardly Chinese did pique the interest of the media, who cheerfully printed stories involving Infant Formula…that ‘not to be advertised product’.
There have been several challenges to the Advertising Standards Board concerning the impression given by legitimate advertising for ‘Follow-on Formula’, with its smiling babies and cute toddlers. The Which organisation found that parents could save £500 a year by giving toddlers cow’s milk rather than the expensive formulas with no loss of nutrients. Why would manufacturers spend so much money advertising a product that has limited use? Could that be simply because they can advertise it – and then put it on a shelf next to the Infant Formula that they can’t advertise?
We are no nearer to finding a reason why supplies should be rationed though, are we? Except for some research done by Daniel Kahneman, a Nobel Prize winning Economist, on sales techniques for Campbell’s soup:
On some days, a sign on the shelf said limit of 12 per person.
On other days, the sign said no limit per person. Shoppers purchased an average of 7 cans when the limit was in force, twice as many as they bought when the limit was removed.
Rationing implies that the goods are flying off the shelves, and shoppers should feel some urgency about stocking up.
I think that might be your answer Granddad! You were limited in your desired quantity – but anyone just popping in to buy one tin would have felt obliged to buy two just in case there was none next time….
The brilliant thing about Infant Formula, from the manufacture’s point of view is that you really only need to ‘sell’ the first tin – after that the new parents have no choice other than to keep buying it – or starve the little darling. Too late to go the make-it-yourself method. No wonder it’s such big business.
Right, next question?
- Andrew Rosthorn
July 26, 2015 at 9:40 am -
I’m sure Wikipedia is right when it says, “Danone is a multinational food-products corporation based in the 9th arrondissement of Paris.”
I like their story about the history of its founders: “The original company bearing the corporate name was founded in 1919 by Isaac Carasso, a Sephardi Jewish migrant from Salonica, in Barcelona, Spain as a small factory producing yoghurt. The brand was named Danone after Danon, the nickname of his son Daniel Carasso.
“Ten years later, the company moved from Spain to neighboring France, and its first French factory was built. During the German occupation of France during World War II, Daniel moved the company to New York to avoid persecution as a result of his Jewish faith. In the United States, Daniel partnered with the Swiss-born Spaniard Joe Metzger and changed the brand name to Dannon to sound more American because many people intuitively pronounced it as ‘Dan One’.” - The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 9:45 am -
Someone tried telling me that the idea was to stop drug dealers buying milk powder in bulk inorder to cut their drugs with. Which , when one considers the price of baby milk, seems nonsensical as it would be more economical to cut the baby milk powder with pure grade smack. …or printer toner.
- Mudplugger
July 26, 2015 at 9:51 am -
Cutting the baby’s milk-powder with smack may lead to an interesting sleep-pattern and some fascinating nappy contents.
But try it soon – the government is planning to outlaw ‘smacking’ kids – I assume that’s what they mean.- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 9:54 am -
and some fascinating nappy contents
or none at all, as any of our resident former SkagRats can confirm, opiate based narcotics constipate …..but solidly.
- FrankH
July 26, 2015 at 10:07 am -
While regular readers of the blog are probably in blissful ignorance.
- Engineer
July 26, 2015 at 10:33 am -
When you say ‘regular’…..
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 10:49 am -
*having , once again, reduced the comments section of the Raccoon Arms to the ‘potty humour’ level, The Blocked Dwarf realises his work here is done*
- Ted Treen
July 27, 2015 at 11:29 pm -
Work? Methinks our esteemed Dwarf was merely going through the motions…
- Ted Treen
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Engineer
- FrankH
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Mudplugger
- The Jannie
July 26, 2015 at 10:55 am -
There is a plus to this. The supermarkets will find it difficult to scam the punters with offers like last night’s gem at Tesco in Doncaster – daughter’s preferred bread spread – small tub, 500g, £1; large tub, 1Kg, £2.98. You don’t need to be a professor of difficult sums, just awake and aware.
- Joe Public
July 26, 2015 at 3:15 pm -
Tesco still manages to create FUD within some of its customers’ minds.
Despite the obligation to to display comparative unit costs (e.g. £8.90/kg), their Marketing Dept. deserves a medal for creatively displaying similar goods at ‘only’ 96p/100 gm. Consequently, some locals believe the latter is ‘cheaper’.
- Joe Public
- binao
July 26, 2015 at 11:28 am -
All a long way away from those tins of National Health Service dried milk, cod liver oil, malt, and orange juice concentrate that were pumped into my baby sister in the late 1940’s. I think the milk tins were grey or plain tinplate with blue print. All very utilitarian.
Back to the supermarkets & their scams.
Is it only the older of us that do the necessary mental arithmetic re cost per unit in multipacks, cost per 100ml or 100ml regardless of pack size of whatever product is being scam sold; loose veg (& opportunity to select!) vs packaged?- windsock
July 26, 2015 at 11:36 am -
Hmmm.. mental arithmetic, never a strong point, so sometimes I will be one of those annoying customers picking up packages, looking at weights and price labels and using the calculator on my mobile phone to work it out… I’m an aisle blocker, I suppose.
- Ho Hum
July 26, 2015 at 11:52 am -
Round here the supermarkets show the unit price equivalents of every product. All you need to do is be able to read and know which number is bigger. Or is it that I’m the only one here who doesn’t live in Norfolk?
- windsock
July 26, 2015 at 2:02 pm -
It’s usually when trying to work out prices on “twofers” that I get the calculator out. It’s surprising (well, to gullible old me), that sometimes they are actually more expensive than the unit prices of single itms of different brands.
- windsock
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 12:02 pm -
I’m an aisle blocker, I suppose
or ‘trolley fodder’ as The Bestes ‘march into Belgium’ Frau In The World refers to your ilk. PROTIP-never give a psychotic German housefrau control of anything that has wheels. . Makes Boudica look a rank amatuer.
- Ho Hum
July 26, 2015 at 12:09 pm -
Put a Tigress in your Panzerkampfwagen…
- Ho Hum
- binao
July 26, 2015 at 4:20 pm -
As a shopper with a calculator, windsock, I’m sure don’t count fully as one of the supermarket undead.
For a man with a list & other things to do, aisle blockers in a shelf induced trance can be satisfyingly dealt with by moving their trolley to another aisle or round a corner.
- Ho Hum
- windsock
- Ho Hum
July 26, 2015 at 11:48 am -
Typical governmental inefficiency. You’d have thought that they would have reasoned that a better solution was compulsory 10 for the price of 1 condoms, and a free packet of pills with every lipstick. And we’d have a lot fewer Dandy Nichols too …
- Margaret Jervis
July 26, 2015 at 12:33 pm -
Breast feeding in the UK is largely linked to socio-economic status with the post-one month prevalence roughly matching the housing market.
I guess that’s why there are breast feeding in public protests outside Claridges but not Bargain Booze in Darwen.
Interestingly though ethnic mums score more highly than their white equivalents (Chinese and African being at top of the list) so the idea that the globalizing cultural influence of the evil milk manufacturers may be misplaced.
However there was a greater proportion of south asian mothers giving up at 4 weeks despite a relatively high start up rate – and this is seen to be linked to ‘acculturalation’ – namely if they were influenced by socio-economic white and young peers in deprived areas (the lowest take-up group) – they were more likely to switch to formula.
Not sure whether this has any significance in terms of ‘extremism’ and cultural separation, but it’s clear that peer practice may be more significant than tins-on-shelves.
However, there’s no doubt that while ‘breast may be best’ it can be a bit of a tie, and short of breast-pumping additional supplies (not as straightforward as the bovine equivalent) or wet nurses (newly fashionable among the super rich) having the odd tin and bottle available is a useful fallback.
The idea that you can’t mix the natural with the synthetic both in means and content is misplaced. Breast milk , once the flow is established, doesn’t dry up because the odd feed is missed, nor do babies hooked on the natural teet refuse to take it once the ease of the synthetic alternative has been successfully introduced. Babies, by and large, prefer to satisfy need over delivery system.
But the two-tin limit – no doubt introduced by diktat to prevent the slide to bottles among the lower classes – would surely result in the opposite effect to that intended.
If you buy two tins rather than one, for fear of future supply, you are more likely to increase the use of formula and thereby reach the tipping point into total immersion and failure of natural supply.
Another public health campaign own goal?
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 1:40 pm -
Another public health campaign own goal?
I expect whatever Fight-The-Obesity-CRISIS-Whilst -so-NOT fat shaming- (you guys totally ROCK) fake charity is lobbying hard for Baby milk to be placed behind steel shutters and packaged in wehrmacht grey , festooned with slasherporn pics.
WARNING: Feeding your baby may cause it to die of old age in later life.
There is NO safe level of Aptamil!
From the actual brand:
Safety Warning:
Important notice
Breastfeeding is best for babies. It is recommended that Cow & Gate first infant milk from newborn be used only on the advice of a doctor, midwife, health visitor, public health nurse, dietitian, pharmacist or other professional responsible for maternal and child care.- Margaret Jervis
July 26, 2015 at 2:13 pm -
Even back in the pre-1984 dark ages booklets for new mothers featured pics of simpering breast-feeders gazing lovingly at their infant while the (if you must!) bottle feeder stared in depressed mode into the middle distance.
Clearly this this subliminal attempt was not seen as a sufficient deterrent, hence the need for more authoritarian measures.
Meanwhile, the level of neurosis among middleclass mums about successful breast feeding is colossal, possibly a matter of public health concern in itself. Actually it’s easy. Billions do it, and have always done, without instruction, which is why we are still here. The tendency for newborns to be bigger however can be an obstacle to supply and demand in some instances.
Formula fed babies do perfectly well as a rule. And lo! new research has discovered the obvious – the perceived health advantages are largely linked to socio-eco status and not the product http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/04/is-breast-feeding-really-better/?_r=0
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 6:42 pm -
Even back in the pre-1984 dark ages booklets for new mothers featured pics of simpering breast-feeders
Worryingly enough, I can actually recall that very pamphlet – I was ten when youngest Brae Dwarf was born and Mater was supplied by the Midwife (who still wore a silly hat and rode a push bike-it being Norfolk) with all the glossy uptodate information and the advice that ‘drinking a bottle of stout a day’ was no longer a recommended treatment for iron deficiency in pregnancy (despite what Mater had been told by her GP when she was awaiting my own joyous deliverance in the late 60s).
- Ted Treen
July 27, 2015 at 11:41 pm -
“…rode a push bike – it being Norfolk…”
Broomstick in for a service?
Or was it to fool Matthew Hopkins?
- Ted Treen
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Margaret Jervis
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
July 26, 2015 at 1:25 pm -
Are we, the sheeples, meant to understand the mysteries of the bureaucratic mindset who come up with this nonsense?
If so, I am a complete failure.
- GildasTheMonk
July 26, 2015 at 2:59 pm -
2 scandals of supermarket/big business supply: the amount of salt and sugar in food and the price of razor bladed. I have no doubt that salt and sugar are injected into seemingly innocuous foods, often sold as healthy and old fashioned (Heinz tomato soup comes readily to mind) to create a form of addiction. Meanwhile the nanny, prissy, knows **** all government bangs on about 5 a day (fruit is full of sugar, dumbo – especially GE fruit, which is why they had to stop giving bananas to chimps at a zoo recently, and why their behaviour and mood improved rapidly afterwards) and moans because placid slightly pompous and tired middle aged buffers like me enjoy a bottle of wine of an evening (in my case usually after I have done 80 minutes in the gym and lived on home made raw vegetable juice and portions of lean meat all day, but there we go).
What a load of Puritan-esq, miserable, po faced hypocrites these petty tyrants are.
And scandal number two is the price of razor blades – something of a rigged market as far as I can see. I should by a cut throat razor, but I would be fearful of my own actions after a dose of the Mail on Sunday.- Mudplugger
July 26, 2015 at 3:23 pm -
I count the bottle of wine as one of the 5-a-day, on the bassis that it’s entirely made from fruit and bottled sunshine – the 80 minutes in the gym is a quite unnecessary precursor to enjoyment of the wine, I manage to enjoy it without all that sweaty foreplay.
And I’m with you on the razor-blade con – how Gillette/Wilkinson etc. can get away with charging £2 a blade when they can’t cost more than 2p to mass-produce (plus £1.98 to advertise) is an outrage, especially when you can buy a perfectly operable 3-blade razor, with 4 extra blades, for 99p at B&M (other value stores are available).- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 3:43 pm -
While I am loathed to defend Big Blade I feel I should point out that the ‘cheapo’ blades are cheap for a reason. Dwarfish beard growth, which is measured on the Rockwell scale, can be cut with nothing less than purest weapons grade mithril (or at least hand forged steel coated with chromium-moly-platinum-plutonium and depleted uranium) . Tesco stainless ‘steel’ blades might as well be made from rubber for all the good they do.
- GildasTheMonk
July 26, 2015 at 4:21 pm -
Re wine: I feel this is a very good point, well made and based on solid science. Comment of the week.
I also agree with you about razor blades. I have received word of a cartel or a monopoly being operated. I may look into this matter further.
G the M - Corinne
July 28, 2015 at 6:43 am -
In a similar vein, chocolate counts as a vegetable because it is made from beans.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 3:32 pm -
What a load of Puritan-esq, miserable, po faced hypocrites these petty tyrants are.Says the man whose diet would have the average Carthusian demanding Burger and Fries.
- GildasTheMonk
July 26, 2015 at 4:27 pm -
The burger is acceptable. The fries are not. Actually I am quite happy with my diet. It becomes a sort of habit after a while, and I certainly don’t miss potatoes or white bread. Both just make me feel tired and sluggish now if I lapse or am forced into them for some reason. For example, strong pure chocolate is allowed (had a lovely bar from Morrisons with raspberry pieces) but a Mars bar would be a no no, Black coffee is allowed, but a latte (milk) is off limits. Sister Eva’s home made soups are also much nicer and tastier than anything I get in the shops, the only down side being that her speciality mixed vegetable with turmeric produces copious amounts of carbon emissions, in the form of farts.
Thus I can be quite clear upon my qualifications as one of the great middle aged farts of our times!- The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 6:26 pm -
turmeric produces copious amounts of carbon emissions
From my teenage vegan days I recall a myth propagated by such hippy crystal rubbing bacon-haters that turmeric prevents gas. Total bunkum of course. Usually they were the same types who would insist that garlic and apple cider vinegar could cure AIDS and believed in the ‘Healing Power Of Herbs’ with a fervency that would have put Savonarola to shame. BTW he, Savonrola, is not to be confused with Savlonarola whose effective battling of all impurities continues to this day (yeah it’s Sunday,it’s raining and The Block Dwarf resorts to 1st year seminary jokes ).
- The Blocked Dwarf
- GildasTheMonk
- binao
July 26, 2015 at 8:29 pm -
Gildas- ‘(Heinz tomato soup comes to mind)’
At least the cans aren’t soldered with 98% lead, 2% tin solder any more, at least since the early ’80’s, so progress has been made.
& Philishave replacement cutters are a ripoff too.
- Mudplugger
July 26, 2015 at 9:24 pm -
Braun are similar rip-off fodder to Philishave – almost £30 for a perforated bit of bent tin and a pressed-steel cutter, which can’t cost more than a quid to mass-produce and deliver. Again, less than £20 at a discount shop buys a brand-new, rechargeable razor with a guarantee – use it until the foil’s shot, then bin it and buy another one. Environmentally irresponsible perhaps, but until the Green Party pays the difference, it’s the only way.
It’s just a version of the ‘ink-jet printer con’ – flog you the printer at a reasonable price, then rape you forever more for the necessaries to keep it working.- Alex
July 27, 2015 at 10:31 am -
Are we talking actual razor blades here, the ones that fit inside a “safety razor”, or are we talking about those multi-bladed things encased in plastic? If it’s the former, Amazon sell 50 Wilkinson Sword Classic Double Edge Safety Razor Blades for £5.73. I have used a safety razor for years after coming to the realisation that “disposable” razors were a rip off, and very good for the environment. Also I highly recommend old fashioned soap and brush rather then aerosol foam, it works out much, much cheaper and gives an excellent shave.
- Alex
July 27, 2015 at 10:33 am -
Bugger, that should of course be “NOT very good for the environment.
- Moor Larkin
July 27, 2015 at 10:40 am -
Maybe this is why bushy beards are suddenly becoming so fashionable.
- Moor Larkin
- Alex
- Alex
- Mudplugger
- Mudplugger
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
July 26, 2015 at 7:22 pm -
If you are excited about the cost of premium razor blades from the major manufacturers why not try costing replacement electric toothbrush heads from Oral B? What a rip-off!
- Mudplugger
July 26, 2015 at 9:27 pm -
But they’ve got to fund all the ‘bribes’ they give to dentists somehow – that’s how.
People believe their dentist, Oral B know that he’s an opinion former, so they ‘sweeten’ him, then the cash registers keep ringing. - The Blocked Dwarf
July 26, 2015 at 9:28 pm -
With you there Airy. They are so expensive that there even gangs in the country formerly known as ‘Behind The Iron Curtain’ what counterfeit them. More money in knock off Oral B heads than in Golden Virginia (since the Chinese gangs have got the tobacco ‘game’ sewn up) and even less risk.
*Bull Horn crackles* “PUT DOWN the Sonic toothbrush and back away from the Colgate”
- Mudplugger
- Robert Edwards
July 26, 2015 at 8:02 pm -
What about those who cannot breastfeed, hey?
Male homosexuals, for example. They seem to be raising babies all over the place…
- Margaret Jervis
July 26, 2015 at 8:25 pm -
Yes and no.
http://hollywoodlife.com/2011/03/03/elton-john-baby-breast-feeding/
If you buy your egg from one woman and hire another for the womb, don’t see what’s stopping you from adopting the ‘wet nurse’ hiring, though jealousy and fear of maternal affection transfer may make the pricey bank solution the preferred option.
Discovered a ‘breastfeeding prostitution ring’ in China online. And it seems the public rights protests may have exacerbated an ugly fetish here too – or was it David Walliams in Little Britain?
- Moor Larkin
July 27, 2015 at 7:56 am -
I recall that the end scene of “Grapes of Wrath” involved the young mother whose infant had withered and died, offering her breast to be suckled upon by a starving/weakening fellow roadie. Is there a porno version nowadays perhaps? Melons of Wrath perhaps. There was a story doing the mass media rounds a while back about a number of expressive moms who had kept the pipeline running and were flogging the stuff on the the internet. I seem to recall a lot of self-justifying psycho-babble about doing it for love and having “relationships” with the moms they were helping – not unlike the guy from Europe someplace who had become an AI superstud and was said to have fathered well over 100 calves around Europe/US. There was another guy interviewed in that latter connection who also made a living selling his male milk of human kindness and he was very proud that included in his dairy herd was a straight couple, a male couple and a female couple. Brave new worlds. Just to put the lid on it, he was gay himself, so if gay is in the genes he was also furthering the cause in our brave new world…
- Moor Larkin
- Margaret Jervis
- harrythebloke
July 26, 2015 at 9:08 pm -
Hi Anna.
This may throw some light on to the issue… When I worked for a time, home delivering groceries for a leading retailer, it was noticeable that a large number of Chinese customers would buy dozens of tins of baby milk every week. I even rocked up to a repeat customer whilst a UPS van was being loaded with parcels from the same address. Talking to the UPS driver we concluded that a significan amount of the retailers stock in baby milk was going to China.
Seems that after the scandal a few years ago in China, when some multi national was putting all kinds of shit into infants milk, imported milk is still the way to go.
H - Jonathan Mason
July 27, 2015 at 12:22 pm -
Strangely in the Dominican Republic powdered milk is available in Supermarkets in at least 6 different brands, the cheapest of which are reasonably priced, but in the US powdered milk is hard to find, though Walmart has Nestle Nido powder, which is powdered milk with added vitamins, for $15.35 for a 3.5 lbs tin, but only in the Hispanic section. In the baby section they only have very expensive artificial feed made from soya beans. Strange.
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