Discerning Light and Darkness in the Twilight World.
The Twilight World, that chamber of horrors complete with trick mirrors distorting reality, and ghostly shrieks from memories past, that some unfortunate individuals are forced to dwell in towards the end of their days.
It is a subject much discussed by the armchair diagnosticians these days with respect to Lord Janner – they are able to discern incontrovertibly, from newspaper reports no less, the precise spot on the path between light and darkness currently inhabited by Janner. A rare gift that – for even those nearest and dearest to the afflicted are unable to state with any accuracy exactly what is going on behind the facade of the person they may have studied intently for 50 years or more.
Doctors, even psychiatrists, can only speak to what they see and hear during a brief period of time – they cannot predict the future – so dementia is not a broken leg that you can diagnose with the accuracy borne of seeing the bone sticking out of what should be a well shaped calf. It is not a ‘positively demented’ or ‘definitely not demented’ diagnosis.
Nor is it a static diagnosis. To say that someone has dementia is not to assume that they exhibit dementia at every moment of every day – it is to say that no longer may outsiders assume that the response they get or the action taken by the person concerned is one borne of genuine autonomy – it may be a reaction to those trick mirrors or voices from the past that makes them act the way they do.
It is known as the cruelest of diseases for good reason – the person who is likely to suffer the most from it is a long standing partner. It is their lot in life to step up to the plate as the physical function of the afflicted diminishes.
Husbands who have been captains of industry, attended by those hand-maidens known as secretaries, suddenly find that they must make an urgent acquaintance with the washing machine, not just for their own benefit, but to rid the household of the faeces-smeared sheets that their previously fragrant wife and co-attendee at grand functions is now dragging down the high street and attempting to board the No 11 bus with…
They must learn to cook and feed an ungrateful wretch who now refers to them by the name of the lover she took 30 years ago, a blip in their marriage that was all but forgotten until Dementia woke it up again. They may find themselves nursing a broken arm, the result of a hurled chair by the sweet faced girl they married so long ago – a creature they still love with a passion, but whose behaviour can be utterly irrational.
When it was my lot to visit such households, I wept inwardly for the proud man who attempted to keep the conversation flowing normally with this visitor, whilst his wife unceremoniously hitched her skirts and urinated on the living room carpet before landing her damp bottom on my knee. What agonies of lost pride, despair, and hopelessness he was going through I can only begin to imagine.
Ditto the tough north-eastern sea captain, who had sent his wages home to his wife for nigh on 50 years. A wife that now sat unblinking and uncomprehending in the corner of a room pin neat – except for one thing. The buckets set to catch the rain water from the leaking roof. The money, all their ‘joint’ savings, was sitting in a building society account in her name – what had been the point in a joint account when he was never there? The Court of Protection had impounded all ‘her’ savings and now was prepared to pay for ‘half the cost’ of the roof repairs reflected by her ‘half-share’ of the house. A man more used to instilling fear and loathing in tough North Sea fishermen wept his way through half a box of my tissues as he explained to me that he couldn’t pay for ‘his half’ with the £39 a week the government was pleased to give him as full time carer for the shell of his feisty wife.
I thought of all these people and the silent misery in so many households when I read of Meryl Parry. Meryl knew all about the sort of situations I wrote about above – she was Age Concern’s co-ordinator for support services and advocacy; just as a side line, she acted as chairman of the NHS public and patient involvement forum, helping to ensure that the elderly and vulnerable received the proper services. She had been at the sharp end of the ‘dementia trade’ as it is sometimes called – for many years running the Eden Court sheltered housing scheme at Lazonby for Age Concern.
Exactly the sort of person who would have known precisely the best way to access the limited help available for those struggling with the elderly demented. Except for one very pertinent point – it was now Meryl Parry who had succumbed to dementia. No longer could she advise others – now she was in need of help.
As she slipped in and out of a demented state, she made spirited attempts to return to familiar places – on a June afternoon last year she climbed out of a window and tried to walk on familiar paths in the moorland surrounding her home – it was the following morning before the mountain rescue teams located her and returned her to her husband. A WPC present at the time described how she had made 81 year old Mr Parry a cup of tea and he had sadly commented ‘it is a long time since anyone has done that for me’.
Minutes later, Mrs Parry was located, and the same WPC said:
“She came into the kitchen and he was immediately at her side.
“He sat down and cared for her, checking her for injuries, removing her wet socks and debris from her hair.”
Mr Parry said he had no support and spoke of the impact of Alzheimer’s on his wife, whom he clearly cared for deeply. The officer said: “He reminisced about when she was well and a teacher.
“He said how saddened he was by his wife’s disease; how it had taken her away; and how overwhelmed he felt about the cruelty of the illness that his wife was suffering.”
Excitement over, the mountain rescue teams packed up their equipment, the police got back in their car and filed their reports – and 81 year old Mr Parry was left to deal with the situation alone again. Somehow he managed to stop Mrs Parry from escaping and wandering – did the ‘somehow’ include all those methods approved of in the Deprivation of Liberty guidelines? I neither know nor care. Nor did anyone else it seems.
Days turned into weeks, weeks into months, Christmas loomed. Mr Parry soldiered on, caring for the shell of his wife. Some good days, some bad. Mr Parry himself fell ill, a blocked bile duct, a painful condition, one that would leave you wishing someone would look after you – but although there was a Mrs Parry, she was in no position to care for anyone else. There was only one thing for it – someone else would have to look after Mrs Parry for a few days whilst he went into hospital to be restored to full carer’s health.
He spent a day, last September, phoning every nursing home in the area. Finally discovering an empty room in the Greenlane House nursing home. They specialise in the care of Alzheimer’s and Dementia, charging £500 a week for providing the sort of care that Mr Parry had been providing for pennies by comparison. Experts in their field. They’ve been quality commission inspected several times: “We saw a member of the staff team setting one lady’s hair because ‘she enjoyed it so much’.”
What the Quality Commission didn’t see was what happens when the Green Lanes Care Home, experts in the care of Alzheimer’s patients, meet a genuine Alzheimer’s patient behaving like a genuine Alzheimer’s patient can and will – rather than being the grateful recipient of an extra quota of hairdressing…
Mrs Parry climbed out of her bedroom window and attempted to go for another walk on the moors. I can well understand how that must have disrupted the cosy Bingo game/Jeremy Kyle show in the main sitting room – but instead of sympathising with what Mr Parry had been going through for months and years on his own – the staff, and owner Mrs Pratt, decided that this was more than they could be asked to put up with – and drove over to Mr Parry’s isolated house late at night, depositing Mrs Parry and her belongings. She was, apparently, ‘only on approval’.
Trying to get himself into hospital, his wife being ‘returned’ from the only available care home bed was the last straw. Nobody was going to help them. He put sleeping pills in Meryl Parry’s cocoa, and when she was sound asleep, put a polythene bag and a pillow over her head. Then he took himself off to the garage to kill himself – having thoughtfully left notes for the Coroner and a cousin pinned to the front door. Sadly it is many years since gas was an efficient means of killing yourself, and Mr Parry survived. He phoned the emergency services immediately. The WPC who attended wept as she gave evidence:
She had spent two hours with Mr Parry, listening as he described some part of what happened. “He told me he’d taken her to this care home the day before,” said the officer.
“He said she’d been returned like a farm animal.”
She said that on that day, Mr Parry had clearly felt that had no other options. The pensioner was clearly upset by his failure to kill himself.
Well, naturally the ‘cradle-to-grave’ welfare State swung into action at this point. The State asserted it’s right to charge Mr Parry with Murder. He was carted off to Durham Prison. There his medical condition and frailty was reported to be such that although a bail application was being made, it was to be a condition that it should be in sheltered housing in Penrith. Mr Parry needed bail you see, because he was still trying to keep appointments for his painful bile duct condition.
Within a few weeks of getting bail, the local news was cheerily reporting that a ‘murder accused’ had ‘skipped’ bail. It sounds rather cheery, doesn’t it – ‘skipped bail’? The truth was that 81 year old recently bereaved John Parry, suffering from jaundice, exhaustion, not to mention the gas inhalation, and being barred from his home (now a murder scene) had ‘plodded determinedly’, rather than ‘skipped’, down to the River Eden between Kirkoswald and Little Salkeld and committed his mortal coil to the icy waters. Just a few days before Christmas.
Just a few days later, and 50 miles away, the body of Edith Gravener, who suffered from dementia, was discovered. Asphyxiated. Hours later, the body of her husband and carer, Ronald, was pulled from the icy water of the Carr Mill dam. Desperate, desperate people.
Meanwhile, back in planet media: agonised inches are consumed trying to figure out how it is that a head uncoupling, homosexual tossing, wife beating, war zone of a country like the so-called Islamic State can possibly entice a 75-year-old man to leave the wondrous UK and embrace starvation in the arms of their murderous regime. We’ll fret about ‘getting them back to safety’.
- Ho Hum
July 6, 2015 at 9:30 am -
Won’t sell in Arnos Grove. Spiked…
- windsock
July 6, 2015 at 9:51 am -
A moving pieve of writing Anna, one of your best. Thank you for highlighting the situation of both sufferers and carers.
Once, handling a call on a mental health helpline, I spoke to a widower pensioner, trying to look after his schizophrenic adult offspring. We talked about his experience so far and what further options he might have. He thanked me and was about to hang up when I asked him not to go yet because I wanted to know how HE was. He burst into tears and said: “You are the first person who has ever asked me that question.”
I’ve spoken here of my medical problems. I know I would not be here today without those who DO care for me. I think Mr G also is appreciated by your readers for the care and support he gives to you. It is sad that those who care are, often, not seen as needing care themselves. We are a shambles.
- Joe Public
July 6, 2015 at 10:00 am -
Paras 1 & 3 – seconded.
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 6, 2015 at 10:13 am -
+1²
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Joe Public
- Moor Larkin
July 6, 2015 at 9:52 am - The Blocked Dwarf
July 6, 2015 at 10:12 am -
It is known as the cruelest of diseases for good reason
I reckon any illness that ‘kills’ the mind not the body is the cruelest. Carers of those with dementia at least have the certainty that the person they fell in love with has left the building and will not be returning as anything more than a fleeting ghost, a haunting of recognition , that the ‘good days’ will become ever fewer. Carers of the mentally ill are tortured by hope every day anew and not just for years but decades. More than once I have considered putting my wife out of my misery.As Matthew tells us : “And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul”
When people ask me what I do for a living, I sometimes answer ‘the toughest job in the world’. Is it physically demanding? No thankfully , most days, The Bestes Paranoid Psychotic In The World needs little lifting. Only when she goes ‘postal’ or into a vegetative state do i really need to get OliviaNewtonJohn on her zyprexa’d butt . But just ‘being there’ is exhausting, hand on heart i’d feel less bone-achingly tired after a 12 hour shift on site. - GildasTheMonk
July 6, 2015 at 10:28 am -
Well said, Anna. A powerful and moving piece.
- JuliaM
July 6, 2015 at 12:20 pm -
Seconded.
- JuliaM
- Michael J. McFadden
July 6, 2015 at 10:37 am -
Thank you Anna. Beautifully and movingly written: I think actually the best written description I’ve ever seen of the real face of Alzheimers.
For any of your readers who get American TV, there is a very well done medically oriented series here titled “Grey’s Anatomy.” One of the ongoing subplots in the first few seasons revolved around the main character’s mother — a woman who had been a brilliant surgeon and chief of staff at a major hospital before Alzheimers hit her suddenly in her 50s or early 60s. The depiction of the various facets of the disease that you mention is handled quite well and gives a real feeling for how difficult it can be to be the husband or wife or child of a sufferer.
Hopefully there will be breakthroughs in Alzheimers in the coming decades. As we see more and more people having their lives medically extended into their 80s and 90s we’ll almost inevitably see a great increase in the problem.
:/
Michael - Alex
July 6, 2015 at 10:53 am -
I know whereof you speak Anna. For five years I helped my aging father to look after and care for my aging mother who has Parkinson’s. It’s mentally and physically draining. My father’s health has suffered as a consequence. I haven’t had a decent night’s sleep for ages. It’s always there gnawing at the nerve endings. In April 2013 her condition reached a point where it was decided that she needed to go into a nursing home. When that happened people said it must be a weight of our minds – God if only they knew. Every time the phone rings your heart seems to skip a beat, not knowing if there is yet another problem to solve or if maybe the end has come. All we felt was that we’d exchanged one set of problems for another.
For us communication is one of the hardest aspects to cope with. My mother’s speech has got to the point where none of us can understand her. She’s lost the ability to write, and can’t even point at large print letters to spell out what she’s trying to convey. If only she could talk, the physical disability wouldn’t seem quite as bad somehow. It probably sounds harsh, but those who lose a loved one suddenly don’t realise how lucky they are in that they haven’t watched that loved one change out of all recognition and fade away over a long period of time. I can really understand how desparate some carers could become and can quite see how they would consider taking the action you describe.
- Moor Larkin
July 6, 2015 at 11:17 am -
It’s not Dementia, but the use of L-Dopa is interesting. It’s use was memorialised in the movie “Awakenings” and the drug used as a treatment for Parkinsons was found to be almost miraculous, albeit the effects then faded away.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Awakenings
I do wonder if the discovery of novel solutions and experimentation might be held back nowadays by worries about the risk of legal claims when experiments fail etc… and who would want their relative to be “experimented upon”? The horrors of Nazi eugenics policies probably continue to cast a dark shadow over the light of cold-blooded rational thinking. Having perforce spent some time in Care Homes recently, the inmates seem to be there more for the satisfaction of those outside, much as funerals are really all about those still alive. Those who manage keep them close and at home have the best idea but their only reward will be in heaven I fear. - Lysistrata Eleftheria
July 6, 2015 at 11:23 am -
A beautiful and dreadfully accurate piece from you, Anna. The human condition at its most poignant. I too worked with Age Concern for many years and understand only too well the irony of Meryl Parry’s decline and the lack of support for her husband.
Please don’t tell me ‘lessons have been learned’ or I shall quadruple my steroids and go and kill someone.
In the meantime, I have just returned from a month in Greece with my own carer, Mr L, leaving him there to enjoy a well-earned couple of weeks’ break among friends and in a place he loves. Our grown up children are looking after me splendidly while he’s away, but it took all our efforts to persuade him that I really truly honestly would be fine.
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 6, 2015 at 11:28 am -
The State asserted it’s right to charge Mr Parry with Murder
There are times when ‘intent’ and ‘premeditation’ need to be replaced with ‘with malice aforethought’. Did Mr Parry premeditate the killing of his wife…I sure hope he did otherwise he risked hurting her or only half killing her. Was there ‘malice’ in his forethinkings? No…if anything the opposite.
- Chris
July 6, 2015 at 12:36 pm -
My grandad was stricken with demetia for the last three years of his life – he’d always been pretty healthy – driving and cycling regularly – but had a Tramadol-induced funny turn one night, went into hospital for a couple of days and literally came out of the hospital a stooped & failing old man. The diagnosis was ‘prostate cancer’ which was dealt with by hormone treatment, and it was that the doctors concerned themselves with – the sudden grip of dementia was more or less written off as a side effect of the cancer treatment and old age. They couldn’t quite get a grip of his odd form of dementia, but the impression I got was they didn’t really care – he was old, ‘on his way out’ and that was that.
Some days he was perfectly lucid and ‘his old self’ – and others he would be urinating up walls he thought were toilets, seeing long-dead people in the room and talking of places he’s been and people he’d seen “last night”… It was only when I read an interview with actress June Brown (aka ‘Dot Cotton’) talking about her husband’s decline and how she was Patron of the ‘Lewy Body Society’ that I realised he had all the symptoms of ‘Dementia with Lewy Bodies’, and what she was saying we could relate to totally.
Had it been down to his doctor and the NHS, we’d have been none the wiser. He died in September 2012 after three years in a nursing home. - Mr Pooter
July 6, 2015 at 12:52 pm -
Thank you for an exceptionally moving piece. It goes to show how advisable it is for old people living in this society, who are not burdened by contrary religious dogma, to equip themselves (as I have done) with the means to end their lives, in a reasonably peaceful way, before they lose that ability.
- Paul Widdecombe
July 6, 2015 at 1:14 pm -
Touching indeed – but a tad heavy on the equivocation, from where I am sitting in my armchair.
Allow me to shine the light of my acumen on the tenebrous complexity of this delicate situation, using evidence that I have, indeed, sourced from newspaper reports – no less:
My gifts of discernment are no greater than your average Spectrum ZX81, so feel free to controvert my simplistic, Boolean, assertions, namely:
IF (SaidFactsAndDatesAreTrue) THEN
IF (TheOldNonceHasLostHisMarbles) THEN
TakeAwayDrivingLicense()
RemoveFromUKLegislature(Optional Boolean EspeciallyIfHeIsANonce = TRUE)
ELSE
GiveHimAFairTrial()
HangHim()
END
ENDIn other words, he either is fit to drive a vehicle, receive remuneration as a lord of the realm and therefore also stand trial, or he should not have been doing any of the above. If the latter is true, it would appear that the powers that be have been rather selective as to the discretion it has applied to the former.
As touching as those other stories are, I don’t see what bearing an old lady climbing out of a window in Cumbria has on Janner’s case.
- John Derbyshire
July 6, 2015 at 1:52 pm -
It is a subject much discussed by the armchair diagnosticians these days with respect to Lord Janner – they are able to discern incontrovertibly, from newspaper reports no less, the precise spot on the path between light and darkness currently inhabited by Janner.
I am not going to comment on Janner’s condition as like yourself I am not an expert on this matter, but we do have some evidence of his capabilities
Janner chose to stay a member of the House of Lords rather than retire by sending a SIGNED request to extend his leave of absence from Parliament. You are the lawyer, so is this is true he signed a document and did not need a power of attorney and clearly understood what he was doing, then his condition must be at most the early stages. There is a type of this disease that up to now has only one person suffering from it. This type was giving the name the Saunders disease, and I do not need to go into details only to say that it was the only case where the patient made a full recovery.
The case of sick old men who allegedly committed many sickening acts against children and being dragged to court is nothing new, in fact Mr Janner was at the forefront of campaign’s to bring elderly and sick men to court for crimes against humanity. If the claims against Janner are true and there is certainly a case to be answered, and if it could be proved beyond reasonable doubt they are true, then he has committed crimes against humanity that are as evil as any concentration camp guard who destroyed people’s lives, for even you would have to agree with me (although I suspect some who write on here would not,) that child abuse destroys lives.- Moor Larkin
July 6, 2015 at 2:30 pm -
Your final comment is most illuminating. There were countless Jewish children whose lives were irrevocably changed by the abuse they received, yet their lives were most determinedly NOT destroyed.
As to Janner I tend to agree with the thesis that his dementia is merely a convenient legal excuse, a la the Guinness defence. The playing along with it by the CPS (at first) merely demonstrates that the CPS know that in the legal framework Starmer created, and Saunders has perpetuated to such stunning effect with Rolf and Ray Teret, that Janner would most certainly be found guilty; and whilst the Establishment are happy to see geriatric light entertainers and elderly pop-pickers ceremonially defenestrated, it starts getting a bit twitchy with Lords and Ladies closer to the right parties.
Where we would differ of course is that the Yewtree process has derogated the Law in historical abuse cases, and it’s no longer worth the slightest respect anyway. The very nature of “Historical Abuse” as perpetrated by the authorities has enough reasonable doubt to drive a coach and horses through. So far as I know, no British court ever tried a nazi, they were all dealt with by the Human Rights mob, and the Israeli system.
- Mudplugger
July 6, 2015 at 3:20 pm -
The level of twitchiness with Lords & Ladies is somewhat exacerbated when you add both the masonic and high-ranking Jewish dimensions, channels which could potentially embarrass many. None of that implies guilt of course, but just makes it more than a tad harder to prove (or more significantly, get into court at all).
- Moor Larkin
July 6, 2015 at 3:22 pm -
My point is that the law has made it a given that he would be found guilty. The law and the media have combined to “fix it” so that jurors will believe the victims, so it’s all just a ritualistic State Court. We’re all paedo’s m’dear.
- Moor Larkin
July 6, 2015 at 3:38 pm -
* the masonic and high-ranking Jewish dimensions, channels which could potentially embarrass many *
Given that all the Parliamnetary crap exclusively involves men and boys, I rather think the Gay Mafia is the one facing embarrasment. It seems to have been transfigured from being that which dare not speaks its name, to being that whose name we must not speak. Jews and Masons indeed – it’s like the fucking Middle Ages sometimes. Cabbages and Kings.
- Moor Larkin
- Mudplugger
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
July 6, 2015 at 3:40 pm -
As I understand it no one, not the examining physicians, not the CPS/Home Sec nor the Independant Reviewer think that Janner is ‘fit’ to plead. Where opinion differs is whether a public airing of the complaints is ‘in the public interest’. In my uneducated and uninformed opinion letting ten possible aged paedophiles possibly ‘get away with it’ is far more in the public interest than charging one definitely ‘unfit to plead’. Justice, the real not the twitter sort, demands that those who believe the Allegations swallow their frustration and trust to his punishment in another place.
Both the drugs and the psychosis make The Bestes Wife in The WOrld unfit to drive. There is no way she should be let behind the wheel of even a mobility scooter. But I have no doubt that should her insanity so compel her then she would be quite capable of driving a car…probably safely even for a while. The difference between ‘can’ drive and ‘may’ drive. Should Janner have been driving? Of course f***king not but the fact he is still physically, technically able to drive says nothing about his capacity to understand the concept of guilt.
- Paul widdecombe
July 7, 2015 at 12:11 am -
That’s pragmatism, not justice. Justice requires everybody who is guilty to be punished for their crimes and everybody who is innocent to be set free.
What you are talking about are the scales of justice – the relative costs of punishing an innocent man vs allowing a guilty man to go free. Blackstones formulation puts this at 10 to 1. I have literally no idea why this ratio is used, other than maybe it is the number of fingers humans have on their hands and so therefore some bloke chose it arbitrarily hundreds of years ago and nobody thought to change it since. Any idea why you plumped for the ten to one? Why not nine or eleven to one, or six hundred and thirty to one, or twelvety to three? Usually this arbitrarily chosen number applies to punishment rather than bringing charges, which adds another layer of abstraction. The other thing about that is that it tends to equivocate all kinds of guilt together. Better to let ten men guilty of stealing crisps go free than send an innocent man down for six months – probably, yes. Better to let ten murderers go free than to jail one innocent man? Only if you ignore the implied externalities of that equation, which is to say that there is a good chance that the ten murderers will murder again, meaning more innocent people suffer under the first scenario. There is nothing to stop you from pushing the ratio further to say 1000 to 1, by changing the standard of guilt to be beyond any possible doubt, or conceivable doubt, rather than a reasonable doubt, but at some point, you are going to wish you locked up the murderers.
Same applies to nonces
Also, why does it matter to you whether Janner is able to understand the concept of guilt? I have a rather quaint view of guilt. If he dunnit, then he is guilty. If he didn’t dunnit, then he ain’t guilty. The fact hat he might have “forgot” has about as much bearing on whether Lord Janner dunnit or not as it does on Caitlyn Jenner’s XY chromosome.
- Paul widdecombe
- Ms Mildred
July 6, 2015 at 3:46 pm -
A complex subject when the opposition joins in about signing. Every 2 weeks I took a dementing friend to the post office to get her pension. Every 2 weeks I asked her to sign the pension book. She signed it easily for 2-3 years. Then she asked me what she was doing this for. I told her son I thought it was time for me to stop helping her draw her pension. We had one more try and she got upset with me. Then the hairdresser said she could not do her hair anymore and could or would not explain why. I tried to wash her hair. At about the third attempt she pushed me away and water went everywhere. Now I knew why the hairdresser bailed out! I suggest anyone who passes judgement on the step by step descent into dementia from their arm chair on anyone, should do some personal care unrelated and unpayed for 8 years, and observe how uneven is the descent and how adverse events pitch a demented soul deeper into the mire. There is recovery of sorts but the march into the mire is relentless.
- Mark II
July 6, 2015 at 4:14 pm -
As some playwright called Billy Shakespeare put it…
To die, to sleep No more;
and by a sleep, to say we end
The Heart-ache, and the thousand Natural shocks
That Flesh is heir to? ‘Tis a consummation
Devoutly to be wished. To die, to sleep,
To sleep, perchance to Dream; aye, there’s the rub,
For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,
When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,
Must give us pause.
…
To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
But that the dread of something after death,
The undiscovered Country, from whose bourn
No Traveller returns, Puzzles the will,
And makes us rather bear those ills we have,
Than fly to others that we know not of.
Thus Conscience does make Cowards of us all. - Edgar
July 6, 2015 at 6:36 pm -
Is a person with dementia the same person as s/he was before the illness? This seems to be a question of degree. As the illness progresses, the person becomes more different, eventually becoming ‘someone different’ entirely. If A committed a crime, would it be just to punish B? The question that arises from this is: how much of person A is ‘left’ in person B? Whatever a fair answer might be to that question, the law needs to adopt the principle that circumstances of illness or injury can transform a person, partially or wholly, into another.
- Paul widdecombe
July 7, 2015 at 12:16 am -
Whose needs would adopting this principle satisfy, Edgar?
- Paul widdecombe
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
July 6, 2015 at 7:06 pm -
Meanwhile, back in planet media: agonised inches are consumed trying to figure out how it is that a head uncoupling, homosexual tossing, wife beating, war zone of a country like the so-called Islamic State can possibly entice a 75-year-old man to leave the wondrous UK and embrace starvation in the arms of their murderous regime. We’ll fret about ‘getting them back to safety’.
I am not among those fretting. Let whoever wishes to leave this country go. This applies to male or female and any age at all.
- DtP
July 6, 2015 at 8:08 pm -
Top blogging. Cheers Anna
- carol42
July 6, 2015 at 8:30 pm -
I must admit dementia is the one thing I am afraid of, physical illness I can deal with but, having watched my lovely mum decline and spending her last years in a nursing home I wouldn’t wish that on my worst enemy. A very sad article Anna.
- Hubert Rawlinson
July 6, 2015 at 9:47 pm -
I have a dreadful feeling that the picture in Dorian Gray’s attic may have born a most uncanny resemblance to the present Baron Janner of Braunstone.
- Henry the Horse
July 6, 2015 at 10:29 pm -
My father has been taken with dementia badly in the last years. Unfortunately we are hundreds of kilometres away and it is hard to do anything to help my mother. I had applied for a job closed to my parents last year but didn’t get it and can’t see a similar opening coming up soon again. Only yesterday I offered my mother to come for a week or ten days a month so she can have a break. I am mostly working freelance so I think it could work. But she absolutely refused to three offers. I really don’t know how she manages. It sounds like the stage of looking after two or three year old children when you don’t sleep well but where you also have added physical work that would be tough enough for someone in their prime. They have both been very heavy drinkers for twenty years which can’t help her ability to cope. It is all pretty tragic and hard to know what to do to help.
- Jim
July 6, 2015 at 11:20 pm -
We need to get over our phobia of interacting with our next door neighbours and start being real neighbours again. The answer doesn’t lie in care homes – at least not completely. Anna’s piece regarding how a care home “specialising” in something are often the first to refuse someone for having the condition they supposedly “specialise” in, be it dementia, learning disabilities, mental health etc, is spot on.
However, there are some fantastic care homes. But nothing helps someone more than a good neighbour. A neighbour can provide more than practical help. he or she can also provide emotional help, can provide a person with the sense that they are not alone, provide the person with an outlet for their feelings and emotions, and provide the person with a sense of worth. A care home cannot do that for the spouse or partner.
Just seek out one neighbour to help. If we all did it just for one person, there wouldn’t be enough needy people to go around.
- Jim
July 6, 2015 at 11:42 pm -
How sad.
We have one of the most articulate and moving pieces about the effects of dementia and how it affects partners and families. The lack of social support is highlighted and the terrible loneliness and tragic consequences are described without sentimentality but with a truth that has the power to make you cry with compassion.
And yet, despite all this, some people use the piece to display their power and skill of argument and debate of trivialities rather than allow the power of the piece to move them to making a change in how they will behave tomorrow.
Goes to show that nomatter the subject, nomatter the strength of the writing, some people see it simply as a vehicle for their own petty and boring philosophy. They are probably only on the internet because they’ve been barred from every pub within a 100 mile radius.
- Paul widdecombe
July 7, 2015 at 12:53 am -
Make that change, Jim! Tomorrow is a new day.
Seriously though, can we all just turn down the pieties by several notches? This used to be a place where a guy could come in and have a good sing song after a few shandies. Is it bingo night or summink? An AGM of the local W.I.?
You are welcome to have a stab at answering my question though, Jim. Namely, what kind of legal or ethical basis is there to prevent the police from questioning Alzheimer’s patients. I’m not greatly interested in the practical arguments, as these should be self limiting (in a rational world police would rarely bother to interrogate somebody capable only of barking and drooling back at them)
I’ve outlined all of the possible reasons that I can think of and reasons why I don’t think they stack up. I would perhaps add that you could even have specialist trained officers to deal with this kind of thing, as you do with children, to avoid abuse of process. There are already all kinds of safeguards in place requiring solicitors present, etc.
Please do refrain from nose-holding, I’m genuinely interested in your views. Please don’t assume that I have no compassion for Alzheimer’s sufferers, either. You don’t know me from Adam, after all!
- Paul widdecombe
- Peter Whale
July 7, 2015 at 9:21 am -
Late to the comments but a hypothetical question. What do you do when a mental health person like Janner who drives a car and kills or injures someone then does not understand his licence is revoked and continues to drive? Or commits any other crime while unfit to plead?
- Lucozade
July 7, 2015 at 11:18 am -
It’s so hard to believe that there would have been no help available for an elderly man with serious health problems of his own to look after a wife with severe dementia with a tendency to wander off. I know for a fact that there is help available for single mothers who are not coping, so it seems there must be some sort of help available for people caring for relatives when they become ill themselves. I think it is shocking that the staff at that care home didn’t at least ask how he was coping and put him in touch with someone who *could* help, since they apparently couldn’t. There must be some facilities capable of dealing with people like that, why wasn’t her window locked?
Most staff at care homes put up with all sorts, being hit, verbally abused etc, they could have had one of the staff there to specifically keep an eye on her.
- IlovetheBBC
July 8, 2015 at 9:47 am -
My mother got no help at all in looking after my father when he was dying. Despite them both being in their 80s, and he was a large man and she 4ft 10.
After he died the local council rang her and said they hoped to be able to provide her with help to wash and dress him ‘soon’.
Between her tears and her rage she explained between gritted teeth that they were too late, and she had been ignored for months.
The head of the service rang her back that afternoon, oilly and apologetic, clearly worried she would make a complaint. She needn’t have worried, my mother really expected no better.- Lucozade
July 10, 2015 at 8:15 am -
IlovetheBBC,
That’s terrible, you’d like to think someone in their 80’s would be one of their top priorities, it must hard enough caring for yourself at that age. Sorry to hear that. :/
- Lucozade
- IlovetheBBC
- Lucozade
July 7, 2015 at 11:49 am -
….even a home carer might have done? To give them both a helping hand. My sister used to work for an agency and do over nights stays with people with, maybe not the exact condition this woman had, but similar, specifically because they could have been a danger to themselves….
If Lord Janner was first diagnosed with alzheimer’s 6 years ago, could he not be pretty far gone by now? I know eventually sufferers can often get to the stage where they can no longer walk, talk or feed themselves, and some of those who can still do those things can be like toddlers before they get to the terrible twos e.g not understanding anything they’re told or asked or asked to do, going about touching things and into places they’ve been asked not to, asking for mummy or daddy (though my aunt actually did that in the year before she passed away and she never even had alzheimer’s) etc….
- Lucozade
July 7, 2015 at 1:06 pm -
Anna Raccoon,
I think staff that actually work in care homes for the care home are terribly low paid (minimum wage), but I think agency staff get far better wages and sometimes their fuel, transport or accommodation paid for them. I heard the council near were my mum lives (which is in the country) pays about £9 an hour for home carers (the ones that go from house to house and just pop in to help with a few things then go) and covers their fuel costs, you do hear of them being terribly under staffed though and having to spread themselves thinly.
I think another problem Mr Parry might have had is not knowing exactly who to ask or where to go to get the help him and his wife needed, it certainly seems a lot easier to do that in the city where there are more people, organisations, charities, people are perhaps a little less isolated and there seems to be more information about in general so it’s easier to find ways of getting the information and help you need.
A lot of care homes seem to employ agency staff and the agencies will put them up in a b&b if the location is far from where they live, my sister worked for an agency too, it must be expensive getting agency staff though….
- Paul widdecombe
July 6, 2015 at 10:19 pm -
You can’t say, “I give in” and then dismiss me as a know nothing imbecile, incapable of comprehension! How does that work…?
I’m going to summarise (for my own benefit. I like to systematise my thoughts…)
1) because there is no point. (Why not let the police decide? In case they suddenly start arresting dementia patients en masse?)
2) because it is tragic. (For sure. Like being abused is also tragic)
3) because the police are dunces who will ask leading questions (we are talking about asking questions, not standards of evidence.)
4) because he is a different person. (So if he loses his teeth, drinks 40 pints of water and calls himself Caitlin…?) - Bill Sticker
July 7, 2015 at 2:37 am -
“What kind of legal or ethical basis is there to prevent the police from questioning Alzheimer’s patients.”
Paul; as one who has had experience of dealing with Dementia and Alzheimers sufferers, as a Health Care worker, a volunteer, and more recently as an emergency service call handler for people with such conditions, I’d like to help answer that question.
The line between a ‘normal’ and ‘demented’ person is sometimes very hard to spot. Even ‘professionals’ get it wrong. To understand why questioning demented people is a specialist task, begin here; http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/site/scripts/documents.php?categoryID=200346
After that, take a month or so’s volunteer work with dementia or Alzheimers sufferers. Then you will understand why questioning such patients is not a task for the Police alone. You will also find that the grounds for not letting the Police interrogate such people unassisted are neither legal nor ethical, they are practical.
- Paul widdecombe
July 7, 2015 at 8:34 am -
Thanks for answering my question, Bill. I agree that the limitations are practical, but don’t see that practical concerns should be used to prevent the police from doing something (unless ACAB, see above), as these could be mitigated, as you say, by training. Anna’s analogy of an interpreter works up to a point – it would be useful to have a professional on hand for a variety of reasons, but falls apart on the central issue of guilt.
My libertarian leanings have alerted me to the dangers already inherent in the system when you pathologise certain types of behaviour, namely the arbitrary power grab that comes as a freebie when you remove moral agency that is too tempting for any nascent totalitarianism not to abuse. (…and who knows, may even lead to its genesis). Pathologising the concept of guilt itself is just so laden with problems that I don’t know where to begin.
There are, after all professionals who reckon they could have a good stab at telling whether or or not I am telling the truth, but we soldier on with the quaint concept of a trial by a jury of peers, rather than a jury of experts. There are reasons for that, too. The experts (solicitors, barristers, expert witnesses, translators, etc) are only there to see that your trial is as fair as it can be, not perfect.
There may even be therapeutic arguments in favour of letting them unburden themselves of their guilty past, who knows? (You probably know better than me on that one, agreed.) Anna appears to know that the lady really loved her kind husband all those years. Perhaps with good reason. But then again, maybe that chap 20 years prior showed her a really good time?
- Moor Larkin
July 7, 2015 at 9:19 am -
* The experts (solicitors, barristers, expert witnesses, translators, etc) are only there to see that your trial is as fair as it can be *
The more you veer to the nascent totalitarian, the less that is true. The more political the courts become, then by degrees the opposite applies and “The experts (solicitors, barristers, expert witnesses, translators, etc) are only there to see that your trial gets the desired result.” The Paedo Courts seem more political than any I remember – far more political than the ones that convicted Irish people, and what are the chances of Rolf Harris emerging from prison with accolades from the media do you think? The courts are not behaving rationally and so are no longer to be trusted.
- Paul Widdecombe
July 7, 2015 at 11:44 am -
My sentiments entirely. Well put.
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