When is a Lie not a Lie?
Part One – When is a Lie not a Lie.
Andy Coulson emerged from the Edinburgh High Court his old confident self.
“This prosecution was always wrong. I didn’t lie and the prosecution, in my view, was a gross waste of public money.”
The headline “Coulson – I didn’t lie” had its boots on and was swaggering round the world just as fast as a top flight media spin doctor could set it running.
Anybody would have thought that a Scottish judge had just declared that Andy Coulson “didn’t lie”. Or even, that he told the truth. No such declaration had been made.
Unless you are a real media anorak, you may be puzzled as to how someone can stand in a court of law, on oath, declare that they knew nothing of phone hacking – then find themselves in Belmarsh prison after admitting their involvement in phone hacking; to wit: David Blunkett’s messages to a married woman he was involved with. Surely Coulson must have lied in one of those trials – either he did or he didn’t know about the phone hacking?
The answer to your puzzlement, is that the Edinburgh court hadn’t declared that Coulson didn’t lie. That was Coulson the master spin doctor’s declaration on the court steps that the media were repeating – as he surely knew that they would.
What the Judge had declared was that Coulson’s evidence in the Sheridan trial was irrelevant, and if it was irrelevant then it couldn’t be perjury under Scottish law.
Judge Lord Burns dismissed the charges of perjury against Coulson before they could be put to a jury. He told the court that while Coulson may not have told the truth when he was questioned about phone hacking at the 2010 trial of Scottish politician Tommy Sheridan, no evidence had been led to show him that the alleged mistruths were “relevant” enough to reach the standard required for a conviction. “Not every lie is perjury,” he told the jury.
Part Two – When is a Secret not a Secret?
Another headline winged around the world after the death of Charles Kennedy:
Charles Kennedy was found dead by his secret lover.
The fact that Charles Kennedy has been divorced since 2010 was certainly no secret. The fact that the ‘lover’ in question was the widow of Murdo Macdonald was no secret to Charles family, his son, and ex-wife. The fact that both parties were unattached and perfectly free to have a relationship was no secret. So what was the secret?
Perhaps the fact that the Daily Mail and other papers had not found a suitable opportunity to inform their readers that a man who used to be married, who used to be a politician, was visited at home by a woman who used to be married to a man who was involved in politics? Perhaps it would have been better to run such a headline when Charles lost his seat in parliament to SNP member Ian Blackford.
As it is, the Daily Mail cover is probably the most tasteless example of ‘intrusion into private grief’ ever printed.
Part Three – When is a woman not a woman.
Hot on the heels of the Daily Mail’s tasteful expose of Elton John’s decision to name David Furnish as the Mother of his children on their birth certificates – an appellate normally reserved for those who have been impregnated by a man and given birth to the child; the Virgin Mary excluded of course, we have the Caitlyn Jenner consumer of column inches.
Caitlyn Jenner used to be Bruce Jenner, a olympic athlete. You can end up with whiplash trying to tie both ends of that sentence together. First Bruce, who entirely coincidentally is/was Kim Kardashian’s stepfather, claimed to be an abused husband – or was it wife? – to Kris Jenner, who insofar as I can tell, is still Kim Kardashian’s mother, but could turn out to be her uncle by episode 23.
Then Bruce got a divorce from Kris, and turned into Caitlyn. Then she appeared on the front page of Vanity Fair in a fetching white corset which suitably subdued those parts that might previously have demanded she still be called Bruce, and reaffirmed the desire of the transgendered world-wide, not merely to be recast as ‘woman’ but as a particular pumped up, wonder bra enhancing, Brazilian waxed version.
An Australian journalist, Paul Barry, made the blasphemous mistake of referring to Barry as ‘he’, totally misunderstanding that it no longer takes a vagina to make woman, or even mother, and definitely not wife.
Twitter exploded. The media have taken note – and Caitlyn will be forever ‘she’ no matter what you think.
Don’t expect anything resembling truth from our media.
- Bill Sticker
June 4, 2015 at 9:44 am -
I see three good reasons not to treat the Daily Wail as a reputable source of news.
Like all of the red tops, and more latterly the Beeb, Times, Grauniad, Tellytubbygraph, and the Flatulent, are ever more full of barely recycled press releases and Fark that could hardly be called news. As far as TV news is concerned, I find a side by side comparison with the English language version of France24 makes the Beeb and Sky look positively anaemic.
- FrankH
June 4, 2015 at 9:48 am -
“An Australian journalist, Paul Barry, made the blasphemous mistake of referring to Barry as ‘he’, …”
Should the second “Barry” have been “Bruce”? Or “Caitlyn” or something? I’m confused now. - Ed P
June 4, 2015 at 10:01 am -
Funny old world, innit? Every utterance by our (craven and useless, fantasising and mendacious) meejah has hordes of offence-takers lined up hoping to make money out of some made-up “hurt feelings”. Perhaps all definitions, labels and mention of male & female characteristics should be avoided to assuage their sensitive little souls.
- Mrs Grimble
June 4, 2015 at 10:03 am -
Call me weird – and plenty of people do – but why get so exercised over what name and pronoun somebody wants to go by? Such things only matter if you’re their doctor, or intend to have sex with them. Though the photoshoot wasn’t to my taste either – she’s older than me, for heaven’s sake!
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 4:57 pm -
Call me weird – and plenty of people do – but why get so exercised over what name and pronoun somebody wants to go by? Such things only matter if you’re their doctor, or intend to have sex with them.
Please sign me up as a fully paid up member of The Weird Club and RUSH me my secret decoder ring! I couldn’t agree more.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Chris
June 4, 2015 at 10:24 am -
The thing that concerns me the most is the “new breed” (of student, or journalist, writer, musician etc) don’t, in the main, have the savvy to recognise fact from fiction. Which inevitably means moronic lies become folklore. And Alice can’t find her way ‘back home’.
- Edgar
June 5, 2015 at 4:23 pm -
“… don’t, in the main, have the savvy to recognise fact from fiction.” It’s worse than that, Chris: for these people fiction is fact. Any old shit can serve as the hammer with which to beat the opposition. And the ‘opposition’ is whoever threaten to expose their current delusion.
- Edgar
- Joe Public
June 4, 2015 at 10:58 am -
“Don’t expect anything resembling truth from our media.”
C’mon Ms Raccoon.
Only the other day, alleged FIFA-miscreant Jack Warner cited ‘The Onion’ in his defence.
- Duncan Disorderly
June 4, 2015 at 11:31 am -
The late Scots Law blogger Paul McConville went into some detail about the Coulson matter in 2011 and 2012:
https://scotslawthoughts.wordpress.com/2011/08/07/the-sheridan-trial-investigation-what-is-perjury-and-what-isnt/He correctly predicted that Coulson could not be convicted due to the relevance issue: Sheridan was convicted of perjury for matters unrelated to the NotW. There are also a number of other postings at the blog about the Sheridan/Coulson matter for those interested.
- Duncan Disorderly
June 4, 2015 at 11:47 am -
With regards the Decathlete-that-was-never-ever-called-Bruce-and-anyone-who-says-otherwise-must-be-destroyed, I wonder if anyone worried about the transsexuals who cannot live up to Caitlyn’s standards of beauty? Mightn’t Caitlyn cause self harm to those transsexuals? The photoshopper should be ashamed.
- Peter Raite
June 4, 2015 at 4:03 pm -
Swings and roundabouts. In real life I know several transwomen, who range from the comfortably obvious to most-people-wouldn’t-notice.
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
June 4, 2015 at 6:55 pm -
Several? I don’t even know a single one!
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 7:04 pm -
Several? I don’t even know a single one!
You might not know even if you did! Cosmetic surgery techniques have advanced so much that even the old ‘sure signs’ like the back of the hands and the adam’s apple are no longer listed in the I-Spy Book Of Trannys. Just from sleeping with a TG you would never be able to tell.
- robbo
June 5, 2015 at 8:11 am -
I dont know about you but theres a ridge of bone between my portfolio and my anus, its called my pelvis, differs between men and women, do they tke a stihl saw to tg,s and remove it! I think not!
- robbo
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
- Peter Raite
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 11:53 am -
made the blasphemous mistake of referring to Barry as ‘he’
Barry should think himself lucky that he writes in English. Try discussing the subject of your transgender (M->F) friend-from-childhood with your hardline Xian German wife, who firmly believes that which God hath created may not be peeled and sewn back on itself. German has three grammatical genders and to make matters worse the German word for ‘girl’ is of neuter gender.
Er/Sie/Es -delete as appropriate. It’s no wonder my kids grew up illiterate in both their mother tongues when the declension of their favourite Aunty..or was that ‘Onkel’….or ‘it’…
- Oi you
June 4, 2015 at 11:55 am -
It has become obvious to those of us who have a modicum of discernment, that the press are not interested in the truth, just what sells. Unfortunately, our society is inhabited by others who do not have this discernment. Sad.
- Mark II
June 4, 2015 at 12:23 pm -
Personally I think that this is a form of mental illness rather like Body integrity identity disorder where sufferers wish to amputate a healthy limb.
Whilst one feels sympathy for the sufferer I don’t think we should help them achieve their desired goal.I am also reminded of the philosophers sketch…
First Bruce: Is your name not Bruce?
Jenner: No, it’s Caitlyn.
Second Bruce: That’s going to cause a little confusion.
Third Bruce: Mind if we call you ‘Bruce’ to keep it clear?
etc.- Duncan Disorderly
June 4, 2015 at 12:54 pm -
“The clinical literature of Freund, Blanchard, and others has consistently divided male-to-female transsexuals into two distinct groups – “homosexual transsexuals,” people who are sexually attracted to (ideally heterosexual) men and supposedly desire a normative female body to attract them, and “heterosexual fetishistic transvestites” in which the transsexual purportedly finds the idea of having a normative female body sexually arousing but desires a heterosexual female partner.”
- Duncan Disorderly
June 4, 2015 at 12:57 pm - Mark II
June 4, 2015 at 12:58 pm -
Either way it is a dysfunctional belief or a delusion – sad for the sufferer but possibly treatable by psychiatry, surgery merely embeds the delusion.
- Peter Raite
June 4, 2015 at 4:05 pm -
In other words, straight or gay respectively, despite Freud’s labels. It’s not rocket science.
- Duncan Disorderly
- Oi you
June 4, 2015 at 2:39 pm -
We live in a odd world, when it is seen as desirable to give in to these urges. In fact, the sufferer is seen to have gained something the rest of us mortals have yet to achieve. Namely, their TRUE selves.
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 4:26 pm -
Personally I think that this is a form of mental illness
It’s only relatively recently that homosexuality and Lesbiateranism were considered mental illnesses, and paedophilia still is. So I personally would be very careful about labeling anything as a ‘delusion’.
- Mark II
June 4, 2015 at 5:24 pm -
Those things are perversions, in the sense that they are behaviours for which there is no biological imperative.
Having your sexual organs surgically removed in the mistaken hope that it will change your gender is delusional.- suffolkgirl
June 4, 2015 at 5:56 pm -
blimey, you’ve solved the riddle of what is a biological imperative – having regard to the very disparate behaviours of populations as a whole. Give that man a Nobel prize.
- Mark II
June 4, 2015 at 6:09 pm -
I don’t think I deserve a Nobel prize – most people already understand the concept of the biological imperative.
It has nothing to do adherence to or deviance from what you might call cultural norms or “disparate behaviours” and everything to do with the purpose of your reproductive system.
I have no problem with people’s chosen behaviours, just don’t try to suggest that mutilating yourself if a positive lifestyle choice.
- Mark II
- windsock
June 4, 2015 at 6:03 pm -
Please define “biological imperative”.
- Mark II
June 4, 2015 at 6:12 pm -
Reproduction – didn’t they teach you about the birds and bees at school?
- windsock
June 4, 2015 at 6:23 pm -
My biology does not drive me to reproduce, regardless of my sexuality.
- windsock
- Edgar
June 5, 2015 at 4:59 pm -
It’s a bullshit phrase – doesn’t mean anything, which means it can mean anything you like. So, to define ‘biological imperative’: it is the lingering suspicion that someone has recently transported a barrel of pilchards through a wormhole that happens to have its portal located in your tumble dryer.
- Mark II
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 6:10 pm -
Having your sexual organs surgically removed in the mistaken hope that it will change your gender is delusional
In the case of M->F transgenders I’m pretty sure the penis isn’t actually removed but ‘adapted’, ie ‘peeled like a banana’ to quote one famous TG, but vaginoplasty techniques may have changed since I last looked into it (that double entendre was free of charge). Pedantry aside, I doubt any TG hopes that having the ‘op’ will change their gender. Call it ‘delusion’ if you will but to them, the TG, their gender is notin doubt and doesn’t require changing.
- Mark II
June 4, 2015 at 6:18 pm -
You cannot change gender – you might be able to change your outward appearance but that is all.
The fact that Caitlyn talks about “transitioning” shows the delusional nature of his thinking.- windsock
June 4, 2015 at 6:24 pm -
So if you had sex with a woman who only told you after intercourse that she used to be male, would you consider that you have had a homosexual experience?
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 6:41 pm -
would you consider that you have had a homosexual experience?
No you’d consider yourself a lucky bastard who’d had an amazing heterosexual experience …cos remember, boys, an M->F TG really, R E A L L Y knows what a man wants….(and for once, I’m not talking about a good cigarette before he falls asleep after).
- Mark II
June 4, 2015 at 7:57 pm -
My first thought would be that I should have gone to Specsavers and then I would ask the chap why he tricked me.
But I doubt that the situation would arise as I don’t sleep with strangers and I would hope that the subject would crop up fairly early on in any potential relationship.
I quite understand that people feel that they haven’t ended up with the lot in life that they would have preferred – being born a woman rather than a man or vice-versa.
I would have preferred to have been a guitarist on a par with Jimi Hendrix or a snooker player the equal of Ronnie O’Sullivan but instead I had to accept that I was going to live a life more ordinary – but I think I would have accepted it even if there were some surgical option to make me look like I had talent.- windsock
June 4, 2015 at 8:08 pm -
Interesting that in entertaining the premise, you still refer to the person with whom you have had hypothetical heterosexual intercourse as “the chap”.
- windsock
- The Blocked Dwarf
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 6:53 pm -
You cannot change gender – you might be able to change your outward appearance but that is all
That sentence is engraved on the heart of every TG I have ever known…post or preOp.
- windsock
- Mark II
- suffolkgirl
- Mark II
- Duncan Disorderly
- Ms Mildred
June 4, 2015 at 12:47 pm -
So you can be a docker tranny or a high maintainance tranny in a corsalette. Didn’t read any of this confusing conflation in the MSM, do not understand it anyway. Very interesting what is brought about by ‘progress’. So many wonderful opportunities to transformed, like a butterfly or a dragon fly. Lots of dockers, if any left, must have moobs anyway.
- English Pensioner
June 4, 2015 at 1:33 pm -
Re Part 2
I know an elderly, partly disabled, widower who has two widows call on him quite regularly to see all is well, and that he is eating proper meals. They consider it their duty, both were friends of his late wife. It doesn’t make them secret lovers, except possibly in the eyes of the Daily Mail. Certainly there is no “secret” everyone in the village is fully aware of the situation.
Also locally, there are two widowers who share a house. No doubt the media would consider them to be gay, but they do it for convenience, both having had big houses, when they were both widowed decided to sell one and live together for convenience. Certainly not gay, I met one in the pub last week, he was eating out because his friend was entertaining a lady.
I rarely believe what the media says about relationships. - Alexander Baron
June 4, 2015 at 2:16 pm -
You forgot the best lie: I did not have sex with that woman (even though she had sex with me).
- Engineer
June 4, 2015 at 2:54 pm -
Well, it’s been said so often it’s almost boring, but it’s still true; the first rule of journalism is never to let the truth get in the way of a good story. Read the papers (and watch the telly) with that in mind, and you won’t go far wrong.
I feel a tiny little bit of sympathy for Coulson, despite the fact that he did lie over phone hacking. He was persued mercilessly while others now known to be equally, or possibly more, culpable (Daily Mirror, for example) seemed to get off rather more lightly. I hope he can find something worthwhile and constructive to do with his life, though it’s probably best for all concerned (especially his family) if he stays out of the public eye.
As for ‘secret lover’, well it’s not quite Cecil Parkinson getting his Commons secretary pregnant, or John Prescott shagging his secretary over his office desk during working hours, is it?
- binao
June 4, 2015 at 5:54 pm -
I read today of a man in his twenties, false ID, no licence, no insurance, while driving someone else’s car, killed a local man. Result; conviction for careless driving, short sentence, then to be sent back to Albania.
It’s not the fact that he came here in the back of a lorry & did these things, or even that he’ll probably disappear back into our society after a few months in jail. What really bites is that the actions that involved the unnecessary death of an innocent bystander should merit so little public concern. So little in comparison to Coulson, who has neither killed or injured anyone.
I don’t much care for what Coulson appears to represent, but he’s surely in the category ‘mostly harmless’?
- binao
- GildasTheMonk
June 4, 2015 at 3:37 pm -
Thanks Boss. I was OK on the Scottish Play, but baffled by the whole Janner thing. I am both enlightened and highly amused!
- suffolkgirl
June 4, 2015 at 4:24 pm -
The Daily Mail has no shame at all. Today I read online in it that police forces were all sitting on ‘treasure chests’ of capital reserves, though for some reason the National Audit Office didn’t think this meant they were in a healthy state. However, much rejoicing from T May and her Home Office spabs.
When my ‘i’ plopped onto the door mat I read that in fact the NAO report quoted is mainly concerned with what it thinks is the lack of information the Home Office really has on what future policing needs are likely to be, and the liquidation of capital assets represents contingency planning by police forces against revenue funding short falls in the next years. It’s less gross than the Charles Kennedy story, but just as mendacious.
Coulson does indeed have a brass neck, and presumably the press love their own. I do wonder though what the prosecution were hoping to achieve as it seems they always knew his lying might be (legally) irrelevant. I suppose they have to have a go at the difficult cases as well as the easy ones.
On trans issues I keep my head well down. The only person I know who transitioned (female to male) 17 or 18 years ago seems to live a happy life below the radar. As we age the genders seem to merge anyway: from a distance I can’t always tell if I’m looking at an ol’ boiy or an ol’ gal round here.
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 6:30 pm -
it no longer takes a vagina to make woman. -She What Inhabits The Upper Realms Of The Raccoon Arms.
Did it ever? If it did then it’s a bit bad luck for all those girls born without a, or with a malformed, “minkie Moo” (DAMN YOU, DAFT LASS!) -which apparently isn’t an all that uncommon occurrence even today. Possession, lawful or otherwise, of a vagina is a symptom not a definition
I’ve seen a couple TG vaginas close up and whilst i shall spare your readers the details, you can trust me when I say that those TG -vaginas were indistinguishable in every way from their ‘real’ sisters. Infact one might, with some mysogynocology (yeah I just made that word up) say that those TG-vaginas were SUPERIOR to ‘real’ ones , being created with the sole and express physical purpose of accepting a penis and not a “small melon” going the wrong way.
- windsock
June 4, 2015 at 6:39 pm -
I’m sorry…. I had to think then – what IS the wrong way for a small melon? I think Daft Lassie’s observation of Dorothy walking in heels yesterday must have got to me.
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 4, 2015 at 6:49 pm -
what IS the wrong way for a small melon?
There’s a fairly famous quote somewhere about giving birth being like pushing out a small melon..or something like that. No idea where the analogy came from originally. But in this instance ‘the wrong way’ is solely in regard to a TG vagina having been made to accept a penis, ie something entering as opposed to something exiting and stretching everything on it’s way past.
- Ho Hum
June 4, 2015 at 7:06 pm -
‘Passing a Grapefruit’ was the analogy used by the community midwife at our ‘Class for the Squeamish Dads-to-Be’
- Ho Hum
- The Blocked Dwarf
- windsock
- Ho Hum
June 4, 2015 at 7:04 pm -
Bruce Almighty is now Bruce All Nightie?
Whatever next?
Paul Dacre to become Pauline du Désir? You can almost see the DM’s headline for its prurient masses; ‘Former Editor Muffs His Retirement’
I’d better get my coat again. Quickly too….
- Cascadian
June 5, 2015 at 2:10 am -
1.-there was no “hacking”, stupid people left their celphone email password as 1111 or 1234, if they expect any form of privacy they have a responsibility to pretend that they care about that privacy.
2.-see English Pensioner, visits from a widowed woman, does not a sexual partner (necessarily) make.
3.-the Australian should state the obvious, his detractors are idiots of the first degree. A bloke posing in makeup with an expensive wig, hiding his man hands, and wearing a ridiculous undergarment to disguise his dick was usually called a drag queen. Most drag queens are at least honest and recognize they are MALE. Bruce Jenner is obviously some kind of drama queen needing attention, like others I believe he is seriously mentally unstable and deserving of pity but not notoriety. - Jonathan MasonNbBruce JennerbB
June 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm -
Bruce Jenner looks as much like a woman as Mrs Doubtfire.
- The Blocked Dwarf
June 5, 2015 at 4:40 pm -
“Our Brave Boys” will be boys..or rather girls !
Actually I’ve heard of / known several TGs who were in the Crown Forces. It’s fairly typical for TGs to want to overcompensate in their teenage years and joining the army is one way (as is drinking your own body weight in lager and shagging a different girl every weekend).
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