Even Grimmer Fairy Tales.
Are you sitting comfortably? Then I’ll begin.
Long, long ago, in a leafy Sussex village, not far from where Piltdown Man was discovered to be a hoax, there came a man who had fallen on hard times. It might be truer to say that he had been pushed onto hard times by due process as practised under our rule of law. He had just left Hull prison after serving time for rape.
He came upon a ‘man of the cloth’. Men of the cloth are special people. One trick ponies, you might say. Their home, their work, their entire life, is bound up in one simple job – helping their flock to stay free of evil, whether by muttering strange incantations, or collecting money, or making profound statements from their pulpit – it all rests on one straightforward precept: that they possess the particular skills required to wrestle with evil in the form of the Devil, Satan, Beelzebub, call him what you will.
No Satan: no job, no house, no lifetime’s work. Being a man of the cloth and not believing that Satan exists in many forms would be like, well, like being a journalist and not believing that the world should know of every politician’s unwise sex-text. Like cutting your own throat, really.
So, our modern day man-by-the-roadside, on spying the man of the cloth approaching, turned himself into that very thing that the good vicar was most predisposed to believe in – a disciple of Satan. ‘Help me’, he cried, ‘for I am in the Devil’s grip’.
What do you think happened next, children? Yes, of course the good Vicar helped him; took him home into the bosom of his sanctuary. Gave him bed and board, and inquired ‘Pray tell me Sir, what else I can do for you?’
‘Well, Mate, you can pay off me bleedin’ debts’ replied our old lag, before remembering his new persona and continuing, ‘I mean to say, good Sir, you can assist me in my relentless struggle to escape the clutches of the Devil – £24,925 would do for starters…whoops!…I mean to purchase some of the Devil’s regalia, and rob him of his power’.
The man of cloth ventured out into the leafy lanes whence dwelled some of the wealthiest in the land, these being very, very, leafy lanes. He chanced upon Susan, the wife of Mr Timothy Sainsbury, Conservative MP of Hove, and a millionaire member of the supermarket family. Then Lord Hampden, Lord and Lady Brentford and Lord March, all a ‘leapin’ down the lanes. Verily did they donate to the cause; here a £79,895, there a £39,250, here a £36,000, there a £25,000 – in time a veritable £300,000 had been raised to fight the good fight.
Meanwhile, the old lag, Derry his name was, rolled on the vicarage floor, babbling exotic phrases and speaking in tongues; occasionally returning to the vicarage with strange golden objects* of supposedly Satanic regalia to justify these huge wads of used £50s being peeled off the good vicar’s congregation.
‘Derry’ claimed to have two plutonium plates inserted in his head by the satanic cult members, and when they rubbed together, he had to absent himself from the congregation’s presence to protect them from the evil he exuded – at such times, he consoled himself with the presence of Angela Murdoch [Murdoch, Murdoch, devils apprentice for sure!] Samantha Sprackling and Julie Tremain, a prostitute.
The Bishop of Chichester, by this time, was becoming alarmed at the large potential donations to the church being diverted to pay off the Devil. He called in the Police. Derry was arrested, and questioned for two days about the payments. When released on bail, he told the Vicar of Newick that he now required £37,000 to buy a Rolls-Royce, as you do when you are engaged in the Devil’s work – these days it would probably be a Bentley Continental, but 1986 were less sophisticated times.
Amazingly the faithful came up with the readies. And the readies to host a glittering party on a Thames barge, to which they weren’t invited, on account of it being attended by the Devils’ disciples numerous BBC disc jockeys [No, not him, by all accounts…] but Alan ‘Fluff’ Freeman and David Hamilton…and a host of willing call girls.
When Derry’s case came to court, several of his ‘donors’ were unwilling to give evidence, still convinced of his ‘possession by the Devil’.
Eventually, Derry Mainwaring Knight was jailed for seven years on April 25 1986, after a two-month trial at Maidstone Crown Court in Britain. He was convicted of 19 charges of fraud. The media at the time had a field day, pillorying the Lords and Ladies, many of them ‘Tory VIPs’ who had fallen for the scam and parted with hundreds of thousands of pounds to finance the high life of Derry and his criminal friends.
Inspector Terence Fallon testified that Knight said: “Every time I told him about a debt, he got money. We talked about witchcraft and satanism because he was interested in that sort of thing. It got out of hand. I tried to back out, but he just would not let me. He and his group had this fixation about destroying the devil organization, and no matter what you said, they just did not listen. Every time I saw him, he kept giving me brown paper parcels of money.”
There are newspaper cuttings galore available on this magical saga, amongst them one in particular by Paul Vallely in The Times pointing out that amongst Derry’s more fanciful claims was that Willie Whitelaw, Deputy Prime Minister at the time, was head of this Satanic cult that also contained such luminaries [or is that illuminati?] as Enoch Powell and Leo Abse…
So I was a little surprised to open my Sunday Times to find them claiming that Scotland Yard were investigating claims that Leo Abse was being posthumously investigated for his part in a Satanic vice ring, and then in the Daily Mail:
Enoch Powell is named by bishop in sex abuse probe: Scotland Yard to investigate satanic abuse claim.
The Bishop of Durham, Paul Butler, contacted police after Powell’s name was passed to him by a former Bishop of Monmouth, Dominic Walker, who first heard the allegation when he was a vicar counselling young adults in the 1980s.
You would think that at least one of them would have looked back through their cutting libraries to see where these claims first originated? Or even that Dominic Walker was the Vicar of Brighton, all of 16 miles away, in 1986 when Derry Mainwaring Knight was defrauding the local congregation of their lolly based on this fanciful tale.
Still, its an ill wind: Derry Mainwaring Knight started his blog up again three months ago, and will probably be glad of the renewed interest….Clive Barker has a new book out about Derry Mainwaring Knight and his own connection to the Evangelical group that swallowed all this nonsense wholesale, and Derry the Convicted Rapist’s original claim of a tussle with the Devil over the souls of sinners to finance his life of lechery and licentiousness has morphed into:
Enoch Powell, the Conservative anti-immigrant firebrand, is being investigated as an alleged member of a claimed Westminster paedophile network after his name was supplied to police by a senior Anglican bishop.
Truly amazing. Sleep tight children, no need to worry, these nasty men are all dead – only reputations being trashed.
Dum-t-dum-ta-dum-ta-dum……
*The local village jeweller was later heard to complain that he had not been paid for the manufacture of said golden objects….
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 9:08 am -
“Everyone knows, since he never ceases to tell us, that Tony Blair is the most Christian of socialists; and he can claim that under his leadership there has been a phenomenal membership growth in the Christian affiliate organisations of the Labour Party.”
Leo Abse, pg144 in “The Man Behind the Smile – Tony Blair & the Politics of Perversion”… 1996- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 12:23 pm -
wiki
“In 1973 Abse requested that the government ban the rock singer Alice Cooper and his group from performing in England, claiming that Cooper was “peddling the culture of the concentration camp”. Abse claimed: “Pop is one thing, anthems of necrophilia are quite another”.[6]”Jewish too.
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 12:32 pm -
“Surely Powell knew of Thatcher’s Jewish ties and understood political Zionism. If he had talked about these and other underlying issues he would still have been met with overwhelming opposition. But more of the public would have realized over time that he was right. They could have made sense of what was happening to them as the passing years saw their dispossession accelerate.”
http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/03/the-failures-of-enoch-powell/
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Alexander Baron
April 2, 2015 at 9:47 am -
I remember that case. A striking feature of all these scams is that it is always highly intelligent people who are taken in, like poor Sabine McNeill with this ludicrous business in Hampstead.
- Robert the Biker
April 2, 2015 at 11:27 am -
Most of these people are not so much gullible but kind hearted and so ripe for a glib piece of shit like this.
As Humphrey Bogart said* “The cheaper the crook, the bigger the spiel”
The only villain in this piece is this Derry tosser, I am amazed that he trys to come across as some sort of ‘saved’ type. I wonder what con he’s planning next, and does he know that all of the case studies and stories are there on Wayback, should he think that a suit for libel would get him anywhere, truth being an absolute defense against rapists and frauds.* The Maltese Falcon
- JonT
April 2, 2015 at 12:59 pm -
A pedant writes…
“The cheaper the crook, the gaudier the patter”The Maltese Falcon
- Robert the Biker
April 2, 2015 at 1:05 pm -
Thought it was different in the film to the book!
- JonT
April 2, 2015 at 4:48 pm -
Great book , great film…different times.
- eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 1:37 pm -
great quote
- eric hardcastle
- JonT
- Robert the Biker
- JonT
- eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 4:16 am -
Your mistake is to say Sabine McNeil was ‘taken in”. She & her partner are active promoters of the satanic nonsense and have been involved in scams for years including partnering with one convicted fraudster ( now being investigated for allegedly ‘blackmailing’ property developers from his council flat in Camden), 2 very nasty convicted repeat offender pedophiles (one is still in jail at age 80), dodgy charities and almost any internet conspiracy and basically anyone who will fall in with their schemes.
The big difference is that McNeil has gone just one step too far with Hampstead and from what I hear on the grapevine, the falsely accused Hampsteaders are now very angry and are demanding retribution which is why “McKenzie Friends” friend Belinda McKenzie is rapidly trying to distance herself from McNeil which will be difficult, legally, as they both claim to run the same organisation. Lawsuits for libel & harassment may well see McKenzie lose her home in costs alone.- G
April 3, 2015 at 8:44 am -
Trying to fit the various pieces together, who is Sabine’s partner?
Some of the rest is pulled together here (surprising siurce but there we go):-
https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2015/03/27/hampstead-mckenzie-friends-and-terence-ewing/
- G
- Robert the Biker
- English Pensioner
April 2, 2015 at 10:07 am -
The question that I would ask is why Dominic Walker didn’t contact the police when he first heard the allegation. Rather than doing so, he just passed on the gossip to another bishop, years after the alleged events, who decides at last to report it to the police.
To me, this means on of two things, either Dominic Walker had some ulterior motive for not talking to the police at the time, or that he didn’t believe the gossip. Enoch Powell’s speeches are more frequently in the news these days as a result of increasing immigration and the problems which he predicted; could it be that the Bishop of Durham has decided that it would now be a politically opportune time to try to discredit Powell?
As it is, a year or so I was inclined to believe the possibility of a Westminster paedophile network; now as the stories become more fanciful, my belief in such a network is declining quite rapidly!- IlovetheBBC
April 2, 2015 at 10:17 am -
He gave it no credence.
But then a certain blogger got involved, and the Church were forced to report it. - eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 4:18 am -
I think our churchman was just covering his back by reporting Powell.
Come Mandatory reporting it will be the norm for these types of accusations and authorities are liable to be swamped trying to work out reality from fantasy.
- IlovetheBBC
- Mudplugger
April 2, 2015 at 10:12 am -
Of course, an atheist would say that anyone who is gullible enough to fall for the fanciful fairy-tales purveyed by all those men-of-the-cloth must therefore be easy-meat for almost any scam going.
All that Derry did was to demonstrate the truth therein. - IlovetheBBC
April 2, 2015 at 10:15 am -
Poor Sabine?? She’s a wicked witch, if ever there was one!
Hilarious to see all the trendy so-called lefties tweeting away about how fitting it is that Enoch turned out ‘to be a paedophile’.
Of course he will never be free of it now, like all the others. Once our press knelt in thrall to the sub-Icke witterings of the likes of Exaro, the writing was well and truly on the wall.
I have never felt more like emigrating than I do now, and it’s not just this bitter Spring wind.- eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 4:24 am -
Indeed I tweeted, having never voted Tory in my life I am now defending people I considered the Arch Enemy : Enoch Powell, Leon Brittan and assorted Tory toffs.
- eric hardcastle
- JD.
April 2, 2015 at 10:36 am -
Why do they concentrate on decrepit DJs & dead men, I have to wonder?
Elm House goes nowhere, the Chilcot Inquiry goes nowhere but up in flames.
When, again I wonder, are any of TPTB going to answer for their crimes? The living, active barstewards, I mean?
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 10:43 am -
* cc The Editor Private Eye. *
Have they got news for you.
- Moor Larkin
- Peter Raite
April 2, 2015 at 10:55 am -
Just one point, the new book is by Marc Heal; Clive Barker has simply endorsed it.
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 11:02 am -
His story is possibly more interesting than the book he forewords…
“My parents were “born again” in 1981. I found their conversion to “Charismatic” Christianity alarming but to begin with it had little impact on my day-to-day life. But I was about to experience a very real psychological trauma. At a religious rally that I unwillingly attended in 1984 at the Loftus Road football stadium, I experienced the first of the panic attacks that were later to dominate my life. Anxiety is a relatively modern condition, now much discussed, but in 1984 I had never heard the term. In my dreams and eventually by day, my mind was invaded with monsters that assimilated all humanity, of tortures and wounds upon vast plains of human remains, the insane violence of the iron city, all garbled and choked in a never-ending loop. I became so disturbed that I fulfilled a symptomatic checklist of “possession”, and needless to say, that was the Evangelical diagnosis.”
- Moor Larkin
- Joe Public
April 2, 2015 at 10:58 am -
It seems that for some, gullibility is proportional to monetary wealth. Both individuals and institutions.
Or, ‘More money than sense’, as my granny often commented.
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 11:05 am -
That explains how the Labour Purty keeps going then…
- Moor Larkin
- Ms Mildred
April 2, 2015 at 11:29 am -
Amazing what persuasive influence some people can exert over otherwise intelligent people. Particularly leaders of cults/congregations with a religious bias. I was not surprised to see poor old Enoch fingered as a paedo by the unquestioning MSM. The more information there is to back up taking a sceptical stance, the less likely it is to be used to dismiss story by these ‘toe the line’ journos. Newick rings a bell, my brother in law moved there to his second house, only a bit posh. I can just see his roof in the back of the picture! Thames barges …yes we used to charter them for barge matches in the seventies. OH had his retirement party on Scotsman in Catherine’s dock, and we aint posh. I must say there was a round bed with a mirror above it….hmmm. Felix open sleeping hold. Ironsides, cabins, were the ones we used most…happy days. Back to these saddo times. We two ancient oldies fell about laughing at the suggestion Enoch was a paedo. We were told by the now deceased expert that it was incurable. We naively thought he was the fuddy to end all duddies. How on earth do relatives deal with all this utter piffle and nonsense?
- The Blocked Dwarf
April 2, 2015 at 12:03 pm -
I’m afraid the whole DMW thing is a not-so-untypical of the gullibility of evangelical/charismatic Xianity as a whole. Twas ever thus…even the Apostles had cause to rail agin “Christ Sellers” ( ‘Satan Selling’ is just the easier-to-sell variant of this scam, cos anyone can ‘see’ Satan and all his works on the 9 O’Clock News in glorious Techno-gore).
When people start believing that baby noises are Speaking In Tongues, that ‘ababbahhhhwwwjjjeeuuuuuu roocccola schokola’ is infact a Gift Of The Spirit then it is but as small step to platinum head plates and pixie dust.
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 12:47 pm -
Is it gullibility though? As mentioned these are intelligent people for the most part. It is surely more about the will to believe. They are not fooled, they choose to be fools.
- The Blocked Dwarf
April 2, 2015 at 1:26 pm -
Intelligent people are the easiest to con but yes you’re right about the ‘will to believe’ and them choosing to be fools…or perhaps fear of loss- thinking about the early history of some of the ‘sects’. The Greatly Disappointed Millerites were, by and large, more than happy to swallow EG White’s visions- something that gave rise, in large part, to the Jehovah’s Witness, Millenium Dawn, The Church Of God (whichever one, I can’t recall off the top of my head) and directly the 7th Day Adventists.
- Don Cox
April 2, 2015 at 6:10 pm -
Intelligent but not sceptical.
A typical cult victim is a student who has always been good and has passed all the exams, to please his or her parents. Such a person may appear to be intelligent on paper, but years of taking what teachers said as gospel is a good foundation for being a sucker.
ISIS is doing very well out of these types.
- Cloudberry
April 2, 2015 at 9:04 pm -
“All con artists know that anyone, and I do mean anyone, can be a victim. This is especially true if the target is convinced that he or she is too smart to be conned and that only other people get swindled.”
http://www.fraudaid.com/backstage/fraud_secrets.htm
- Cloudberry
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ed P
April 2, 2015 at 1:48 pm -
Plutonium, not platinum, which is more incredible, as the radiation (& chemical poisoning) would have killed him quite quickly.
- Robert the Biker
April 2, 2015 at 2:02 pm -
Quite, and since even a small geiger counter would pick the gamma flux up at a distance, there would be no need to x-ray the twats otherwise empty head! The fatal dose for plutonium is a particle smaller than a grain of sand.
- Peter Raite
April 2, 2015 at 2:04 pm -
Probably about the size of the brains of those who bought that ludicrous detail, then….
- Robert the Biker
April 2, 2015 at 2:10 pm -
Yes, it does seem beyond the bounds of credibility for even a moderately educated person to swallow such a thing, but perhaps it was merely registered as ” Oh, the poor man has some sort of exotic plate in his head”. My admittedly limited experience of these sorts is that they smile and nod while what passes for their mind is miles away.
- Robert the Biker
- Peter Raite
- Robert the Biker
- Moor Larkin
- Duncan Disorderly
April 2, 2015 at 1:00 pm -
A classic. The Swallowing the Camel blog covered this tale in 2011.
http://swallowingthecamel.me/2011/07/24/the-prodigal-witch-x-derry-mainwaring-knight/I quote from the blog thus:
“Nothing was done about his courtroom accusations against Whitelaw simply because no one, barring a country vicar and a few Charismatic believers, found his tales remotely credible.”
Not any more!- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 1:03 pm -
Didn’t Maggie say she’d couldn’t imagine life with a willie?…
- Ed P
April 2, 2015 at 1:48 pm -
I think she said, “Everyone needs their Willie”
- Ed P
- Moor Larkin
- Richard Bartholomew
April 2, 2015 at 1:29 pm -
I suspect that the Sunday Times thought “well, we can run with Leo Abse abusing children, but bringing in Enoch Powell and a Satanic cult would be a bit too much, so we’ll leave all that out and hope no-one looks at the background too closely. In particular, best not mention the title of that book quoting Dominic Walker.”
And then the Mail on Sunday just happened to phone up the Church of England a few days later to ask “I don’t suppose you’ve reported Enoch Powell to the police for Satanic Ritual Abuse, by any chance?”
The papers either knew rather more than they decided to let on, or they’ve been played by someone. Perhaps a bit of both. My own post here:
http://barthsnotes.com/2015/03/30/dead-mps-accused-of-satanic-ritual-abuse/
- Oi you
April 2, 2015 at 2:06 pm -
Funny how these abusers are all Tories and friends of Mrs T. How convenient. Nothing to do with the coming election, then? Anyone would think the loony left are making it up on purpose. A left wing consipiracy? No, surely not….
- Duncan Disorderly
April 2, 2015 at 2:14 pm -
Well, Leo Abse was Labour, but I certainly agree that there appears to be a certain desire to tie as many of these MP’s to Thatcher.
- Oi you
April 2, 2015 at 3:32 pm -
It’s definitely being orchestrated. But by whom? And to what end?
- eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 4:36 am -
But Abse was a dandy (and as Larkin points out( Jewish to boot so highly suspect. Are we witnessing the death of the British Eccentric as well?
- The Vatman Cometh
April 3, 2015 at 1:48 pm -
The only other Labour name regularly mentioned as part of the paedo elite by the usual true believers in the Twitterati and beyond is, coincidentally, also Jewish – although I’m sure that’s pure chance and not a result of Icke-ish anti-Semitism at all …..
- Moor Larkin
April 3, 2015 at 2:27 pm -
Is that the one who also is gay? Icke, or his tacitly accepted audience sees reptiles in more than one place.
There is of course a group whose reptilian nature has the longest antecedence,
“This chapter describes the representation of journalists in cinema as at best, lovable rogues and as worst, loathsome reptiles.”
http://oxfordindex.oup.com/view/10.3366/edinburgh/9780748634460.003.0009- The Vatman Cometh
April 3, 2015 at 2:48 pm -
Well he is/was married with three children but the allegation is that he sexually abused a teenage boy over a period of years; needless to say the usual names (Leon Brittan, Elm Guest House, Geoffrey Dickens, Harvey Proctor, Sir Peter Hayman) are crowbarred into the story too although his name was originally brought up at the trial of Frank Beck.
- The Vatman Cometh
- Moor Larkin
- The Vatman Cometh
- Oi you
- Duncan Disorderly
- Engineer
April 2, 2015 at 2:48 pm -
Methinks Satan is alive and well, and exists in the capacious body of Tom Watson. Satan is gathering all these old rumours, then going about making poor Tom whisper in the ears of credulous journalists here and there about the dossier of ‘senior establishment figures of the Thatcher era’ linked to a paedophile ring. He’s good at the smeary stuff, our Tom; got form as long as yer arm, he has.
It’s all just the nasty end of politics. Probably very little fact behind it at all. Sooner or later, someone is going to ask Tom to put up or shut up, before he drags the public’s opinion of politics even lower than it already is. Not that he’ll shut up any time soon. Unfortunately for the good of politics.
- James B
October 15, 2015 at 9:52 am -
@Engineer:
“Sooner or later, someone is going to ask Tom to put up or shut up…”
What a very prescient comment. Strange how events unfold. That nice Mr Zac is starting to find himself in the same hot seat as well. More to come, presumably.
- James B
- Nick Langford
April 2, 2015 at 4:03 pm -
I recall reading this story quite recently, certainly since 2011, but I can’t remember where. Was it part of the late lamented Dramatis Personae website? When I read the allegations against Powell and Abse I failed to put two and two together.
I’ve always assumed there is no such thing as a satanist outside of Dennis Wheatley and Hammer Horror – after all, if you believe all that mumbo jumbo you are going to place your faith in the other camp: you are hardly going to take a course of action which you believe will imperil your immortal soul and condemn you to the everlasting flames. The idea of Powell – the classicist and theologian – being caught up in anything so irrational is preposterous.
- Oi you
April 2, 2015 at 4:37 pm -
Meanwhile, courtesy of twatter, I have found this curious report….
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/labour-councillor-claims-had-first-1964321
- Duncan Disorderly
April 2, 2015 at 5:17 pm -
He must get his bald head from his alien mother. The obvious comb-over is obviously obvious.
- Ted Treen
April 3, 2015 at 4:15 pm -
Well if he believes in the Labour Party, it’s perfectly understandable that he believes in the rest…
- Ted Treen
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 5:30 pm -
He should get together with the councillor from Wrexham that Cathy Newman used to promote.
Mainstream Media interest in the Masons reached some kind of apogee during the brief media madness of the McAlpine-Messham Allegations in November 2012, when Cathy Newman on Ch4 News was excitedly asking a Wrexham Labour Councillor and an ex-copper if the Masons needed Investigation.
http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/empire-of-gods-pt2.html- The Vatman Cometh
April 3, 2015 at 1:55 pm -
The ex-copper in the Channel 4 clip (former North Wales DCC Bill Brereton) has a bit of previous with the North Wales plod (especially his ex-boss Richard “Traffic Taliban” Brunstrom) as he left the force under a bit of cloud which involved alleged bullying of civilian workers, leaks to the press and a collapsed court case involving the alleged leaker; as such, saying he has an axe to grind with his former colleagues is putting in lightly ! He’s also been stirring things up in the Welsh Lib Dems after failing to get elected and embroiling himself in the disqualification and reinstatement of a Lib Dem member of the National Assembly – not that he’s a publicity seeker of course …
- The Vatman Cometh
April 3, 2015 at 2:06 pm -
Incidentally, in other news from the principality I see that the police and CPS have been foiled in yet another attempt to convict an alleged member of the North Wales chapter of Nonces4Us (Bryn Alyn Branch) after the judge stopped the case at Mold Crown Court half way through and threw it out because the alleged victim (sorry – “survivor”) kept mixing up the accused (David “Tiny” Challinor) and another worker called “Haystacks” as the person who had abused him whilst giving evidence. It seems that, although the CPS like to say that survivors should be excused lapses involving remembering people, places, dates, times and, well everything really, the judge got so cheesed off with the farce unfolding in front of him that he decided enough was enough; the CPS won’t be appealing his decision either – which tells you something about the flimsiness of the case ….
- The Vatman Cometh
- The Vatman Cometh
- eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 5:25 am -
He added that alien technology differed from the Hollywood stereotype of a flying saucer in that the other-worldly being travelled in a “teardrop shaped craft with the blunt end going forward and the pointy end at the back.”
errr, you mean like a submarine?
Terrifying to now find out Alien Visitors and David Icke’s Reptilian controllers are common and garden pedophiles as well.
- IlovetheBBC
April 3, 2015 at 9:10 pm -
“I get more common sense out of the aliens than out of Scarborough Town Hall.”
Now THAT I can believe.
- Duncan Disorderly
- The Blocked Dwarf
April 2, 2015 at 6:58 pm -
Slightly off topic but still to do with ‘Fighting Satan’ and that particular flavour of Xian gullibility that motivates ‘happy-clappy’ Xians to great deeds and even greater donations…to sellers of salvation, cheap tin trays and glass walking sticks (as my history master would have said).
This evening I am waiting to hear from My Sorta Brother In Africa. His youngest Son( whose biblical name I always get mixed up with the other OT prophet of a similar name) attends University, and I think the one that was attacked today by religious fanatics of another faith- same shit, different deity.
Back in the late 70s my Low-Church-CoE-tending-towards-Happyclappyness Parents sponsored an African School Boy via Tearfond or “Bibles For Little Heathen Piccaninnies”or whatever. Said School Boy, what actually still lived in a mud hut when he was home in his village and whose parents knew no better than to take him to the tribal witch doctor when he was ill, grew up and received , along with Xmas and Birthday presents from my parents and us Kids, a first class education and became an AID worker in some quiet, peaceful, bucolic , corner of Africa called “Dafur”. Think he now works for Preachers Pickpockets or something.
- The Blocked Dwarf
April 2, 2015 at 7:00 pm -
Pet/Anna, my above post isn’t just ‘slightly off topic’ so please delete if you feel it lowers the tone of the bar etc.
- Moor Larkin
April 2, 2015 at 7:12 pm -
Every year in my Catholic Primary/Junior school we would have the “Black Babies Week”. There would be a chart on the wall to show who, in which class, had donated the most money for the Black Babies. I’ve no idea what my friend from Poona (as it was then called) made of all this because it would never have occurred to us to discuss it. I recall that as we grew to teenage-hood he adopted the Black Perm hairstyle of America, rather than the slick-backed hirsute-Hindu of Spike Milligan imagination. Perhaps that was because he wasn’t Hindu, he was Catholic. It crossed my mind that if we were now, he might be interested in the new “bushy-beard” fashion of Inglish yoof.
- Ted Treen
April 3, 2015 at 4:19 pm -
Whereas these days in the sunny West Midlands, a “Black Babies Week” in the average junior school would have all the little Chantelles & Shaznays donating the actual babies…
- The Blocked Dwarf
April 4, 2015 at 2:45 pm -
Whereas these days in the sunny West Midlands, a “Black Babies Week” in the average junior school would have all the little Chantelles & Shaznays donating the actual babies…
You say that like it is a bad thing? Where else are Satan Worshiping members of the Elite supposed to get their fresh meat?!?!
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Ted Treen
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Bandini
April 2, 2015 at 8:05 pm -
Only popped in to post a link to Richard Bartholomew’s article as a bit busy at moment, but I see that he has included it above. It’s well worth a read, as it would seem that this bizarre story would not have re-surfaced if it were not for Peter McKelvie (helped along by Needleblog).
McKelvie was the source of Tom Watson’s information which led to his PMQT-intervention.
He was also the original source of Exaro/David Hencke stories (with whom Watson was working).Being hopelessly deluded about something certainly doesn’t mean that one is wrong about everything else, but Exaro’s labelling of everyone who even so much as dares question the 100%-veracity of every damn syllable of theirs as some sort of ‘paedo apologist’/’establishment agent’ starts to look a little suspect when such a pivotal figure in all those investigations fell for this load of old cobblers (assuming that Mainwaring Knight really wasn’t a genuine Satan hunting human short-wave radio receiver, of course). No wonder they balk at the idea of Panorama casting an inquisitive gaze at proceedings.
The tale also shows how seemingly intelligent pillars of the Establishment can be taken for a ride – and to the cleaners – despite the ridiculous story being spun. Again, any suggestion that fantastical claims should be scrutinised carefully & not blindly believed will lead to Exaro huffing off in strop. I’ve lost track of how many months ago it was when they claimed to be closing in on the identity of one of the claimed murder victims, then nothing. Nothing except an even more gruesome tale & more nameless alleged murder victims…
But now they are wafting away at the Elm-saga using Jimmy Savile’s string-vest & running-shorts as kindling. It’s hard to understand with what aim in mind given their statement that not a single alleged victim has been able to identify a single alleged perpetrator (despite the widely publicised ‘list’).
- eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 4:53 am -
One should always look at the source and what their motives may be.
Exaro who is behind much of these claims uses a discussion board of alleged ex-policemen who claim they were blocked from investigating ‘Westminster pedo rings” or were told tales in the staff canteen and so on. We have no proof they really are ex-cops but I note Exaro ignores 2 coppers on the board, one who says he is ex-Special Branch who pour scorn on the claims.And no-one seems at all sceptical that an ex-cop may have a barrow to push either : pissed off about non-promotion, an irrational hatred for his/her seniors etc.
Here is one 20 year ex-detective who is vocal in the Hampstead Satanic Nonsense trying to convince a hapless uniform cop that babies were sacrificed for Highgate McDonald’s diners (or were they Greggs Sausage Rolls ?) imploring Mr Plod to take notice that he has interviewed the mother for 3 hours and as an ace investigator is convinced she is telling the truth.
The Big Fly in The Ointment there, unnoticed by the promoters of this travesty, is that the mother is not an actual witness to the claims so it makes you wonder, what other cases did the ex-detective work on where a third party non-witness claimed something which he then accepted as gospel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEpYDoDvt7Y#t=11- Moor Larkin
April 4, 2015 at 12:25 pm -
* Exaro who is behind much of these claims uses a discussion board of alleged ex-policemen who claim they were blocked from investigating ‘Westminster pedo rings” or were told tales in the staff canteen and so on. *
Just as Meirion Jones/Mark Williams-Thomas used a discussion board of alleged ex-Duncroft pupils. I bet they wish they’d copyrighted the idea…
Meanwhile in other Not News:
“The David Icke Forum is currently off-line for maintenance. We have not been hacked, Simply re homing the forum and performing upgrades. The forums are due to return as soon as the migration completes and will be integrated into a new site allowing for better access over mobile devices. Thank you for you patience while this upgrade completes.”
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=3Nearly a month has passed now since the upgrade began… I wonder if there will be any posts left after they have removed all the libellous ones that are not even true…
- Moor Larkin
- eric hardcastle
April 4, 2015 at 11:38 am -
Exaro is the only ‘news’ website on the planet that actually blocks people on Twitter. Not even Rupert Murdoch blocks people and he’s on the receiving end of dozens of insults every time he tweets !
- eric hardcastle
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
April 2, 2015 at 8:44 pm -
I have just visited their site for very first time (also the very last) and see the name Exaro is a Latin word.
It think it stands for Ex cruciating A bsurd R idiculous O fensive. - Ancient+Tattered Airman
April 2, 2015 at 8:46 pm -
Ooops after the O should be 2 f’s…….
- binao
April 2, 2015 at 10:36 pm -
Dipping in I’m yet again saddened by the scratching in middens by some people who themselves are less than savoury, waving imaginary scraps of nastiness at each other shouting look what I’ve found.
Totally off topic & entirely unrepentant, I saw on todays ridiculously confusing revamped BBC news page (nearly as bad as Guido’s), that Joni is unwell. Managed to get the turntable going, & playing Ladies of the Canyon on vinyl bought in the US, ’73 I think. WTF were we doing with CDs? This is definitely better than watching a bunch of lying & out of touch with reality politicians on TV. Reaching for tablets now.
Don’t think I can cope with Blue yet though. - Curmudgeon
April 3, 2015 at 1:56 am -
Well, David Aaronovitch has picked up on this story in the Times
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/article4399591.ece
At least some sign of progress in the msm.
- The Vatman Cometh
April 3, 2015 at 1:57 pm -
David Aaronovitch has been, rather bravely, sticking his head above the parapet recently regarding the ridiculous nature of some of the paedo claims and has been the target of Exaro, John Mann and their assorted loony followers as a result because he dares to disbelieve ! Heretic !
- Moor Larkin
April 4, 2015 at 12:10 pm -
More because he’s Jewish I think. Not so much the truth that matters as ethnic pride/solidarity.
They came for the the first, but what did he do then?
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/opinion/columnists/davidaaronovitch/article3557699.ece
That was on Oct 4th, just one day after the formal flag was waved on Savile, “the most Jewish Catholic you’ll ever meet”He was as much a part of the process as anyone else and now he won’t even admit it but seeks to say, oh yes they can be destroyed but leave me alone. Same as the rest of them.
- Moor Larkin
April 4, 2015 at 12:11 pm -
the “the”?…. … the truth …… words fail me….
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- The Vatman Cometh
- eric hardcastle
April 3, 2015 at 3:52 am -
I’ve been saying this for years now to no-one in particular. In my life I’ve encountered endless con-men & women. I mean professional career criminals who share one trait- they are sociopaths in the real sense- they have absolutely no empathy with their victims or indeed anyone who may be harmed by their activities.
These are not like, say a gang of bank robbers who may plan a series of successful attacks and retire to Spain. They are people who from an early age become habitual liars and develop no skills to make a living apart from a shared sociopath trait, a convincing personality (that comes easy because of the lack of empathy) where they can ‘seduce’ and convince most people of their sincerity (people should really read up on sociopaths / psychopaths who are far more common than people realise or believe they must be a Hitler type person rather than the bank worker of the Chav living next door).So many of these recent cases are being run by these types of personalities and with today’s gormless media they are once again gaining traction.
Looking at those who recently promoted the dreadful Hampstead satanic nonsense I see the same type of career sociopath crooks : phoney charities, a long association with convicted con-men- or in the McKenzie Friends’ agitators, convicted repeat pedophiles. Even the Elm House drama and the convicted con-man Chris Fay who passes off his role of bagman for one of the nastiest cons going- the Boiler Room scam that targets the elderly for their life savings (now re-grouped and centered in Asia) but merely claims he did a “foolish thing” (getting caught?).There is a big difference today though: old hardened tough Fleet Street journalists almost always had a nose for these crooks and could spot them easily. Today’s media simple accepts every claim made and promotes it.
- Ian B
April 3, 2015 at 7:37 am -
Might be worth giving Simon Heffer a shout about this, him having written a piece in defence of Powell in the Daily Fail.
- Richard Bartholomew
April 3, 2015 at 9:30 am -
OK, I have now bashed out a (hopefully) succinct summary, highlighting questions about how the media has been handling this particular crop (crock?) of allegations:
http://barthsnotes.com/2015/04/02/uk-satanic-panic-dead-politicians-and-the-media/
- Ian B
April 3, 2015 at 9:48 am -
I have to admit, I’m genuinely surprised that SRA has revived. I’ve been watching all this for years and expected increasing intensity in the paedohysteria, but never expected the “satanic” to make a comeback. The narrative seems to be forming up that the first wave’s debunking was a “cover up”, which is a clever angle, one has to admit.
- Moor Larkin
April 3, 2015 at 2:30 pm -
If you can believe “savile”, you can believe anything.
Classic big lie technique.
Takes a whole society to play along to work though. - Richard Bartholomew
April 3, 2015 at 3:35 pm -
The Sunday Times article was an attempt to repackage an old SRA allegation against Leo Abse as evidence of paedophilia – that’s why the article mentions “a 1991 book” but avoids giving the Child of the Devil title. Rivals at the Mail on Sunday were less fussy, so that we now have the prospect of Enoch Powell and Willie Whitelaw in a satanic cult.
- Moor Larkin
- Ted Treen
April 3, 2015 at 4:26 pm -
“…the prospect of Enoch Powell and Willie Whitelaw in a satanic cult…”
Perfectly plausible:- this diabolic cult convenes in the Palace of Westminster and has circa 650 members…
- IlovetheBBC
April 3, 2015 at 9:21 pm -
Exaro’s recent excursion into the private life of Carole Kasir of EGH, out of which they have spun no less than three separate short articles, seems to me at any rate to acknowledge some quite important things: she was a drunk, her own family regarded her as manipulative, she changed her stories repeatedly, she liked to claim famous people as contacts/customers, she was obsessed with money, and if there was anything nefarious going on at her guest house she must have known about it.
I might almost suggest they are laying the groundwork for exposing the whole ‘guest list’ as a scam… - arnold frampton
April 20, 2015 at 9:16 am -
Well, Well. There seems to be a reluctance for commentators in this column to believe in the ‘gullibility’ of ‘intelligent’ high-society people involved in the Derry Mainwaring-Knight affair. Interesting to see them scavenge for a reason. The general concensus appears to be that only dim-wits would believe in such a thing and excuses abound concerning certain members of the Sainsbury’s family who were involved . Anna gets it right about the fundamentalist world-view but others don’t see it. The SAFF has been attempting to alert the public for nearly three decades to an ongoing attempt by Christian sectarians, evangelists, and fundamentalists to take back puritan control of our society. They are succeeding by imposing their mediaeval mentality onto the debate. This country is ruled by the Christian Establishment and much of its work goes on quietly behind the scenes with a nod and a wink. When the SAFF broaches this idea the usual response is derision, much as in similar responses in this blog.
I have obtained from the SAFF a 1991 letter (below) which is evidence that the Sainsbury’s family’s Jerusalem Trust, a body set up to further the instincts of Christianity, has a history of funding Christian extremism on the quiet. This letter was sent to the Jerusalem Trust four years AFTER the Derry Mainwaring-Knight trial. It proves that rather than being dizzy wealthy eccentrics the people involved in the DMK scam to purchase and destroy supposed satanic regalia were complicit actors in a sectarian war against what they believe are non-Christian forces at work in this land and their coterie continued to do that AFTER the Derry Mainwaring-Knight issue was resolved. Here it is:
” Mrs G.B. Gillian Lomas
The Jerusalem Trust
13 New Row
St Martin’s Lane
London WC2N 4LFWednesday 28 March 1990
Dear Mrs Lomas
We do not consider that your reply of March 16th is at
all adequate under the circumstances.We have provided you with a printout of statements made
by the Systems Operator of Kybernesis Bulletin Board
that the Sainsbury Family Trust is funding a computer
bulletin board which downloads defamatory and inciting
propaganda about the bona-fide religion of Paganism in
order to distribute this amongst fundamentalist
activists in this country.You initially said that you had no record of such a
grant being made.We provided the proof that this was occuring and asked
you for assurances that you would withdraw such funding
or stipulate when granting aid that work done by
benefiting organisations should not compete or
disenfranchise alternative religious beliefs.You have refused to give this assurance or in any way
condemn the work of Kybernesis and have attempted to
discontinue correspondence.We find your reluctance most unhelpful and have
concluded that this indicates an animosity towards
Alternative Religious philosophies. If this is incorrect
you will no doubt inform us.Our further researches have shown that in 1986 Susan
Sainsbury, the wife of your Trustee the Hon Timothy
Sainsbury MP (a one time director of J Sainsbury PLC)
was tricked into parting with considerable sums in order
to finance a ridiculous anti-occult campaign of action
through a confidence trickester by the name of Derry
Mainwaring Knight, and that further funds were made
available to Knight from a ‘private family trust’.
Further that this case is now being used as evidence of
Satanic Crime by at least one fundamentalist book on the
subject.It is in the interests of our members that facts like
these are opened to public discussion and the
involvement of some members of the Sainsbury family in
anti-occult activities is made clear to those who are
being disenfranchised. We would be interested to have
any misconceptions put right by you within 7 days. …..”I understand that this letter was sent by registered post and that no reply has been received to date.
The regurgitating today 24 years later, of false allegations of satanic abuse against high-flyers in the Establishment (which were originally made during the DMK con to impress the fundies involved), as FACT, is a prime example of how the Machieavellian antics of fundamentalists corrupt, interfere with and falsely inform the public’s idea of what is going on. The same mechanisms in fact which underlay the more recent Celebrity Paedo accusations. What we have here is a campaign against child-abuse being used to disguise a Christian holy-war with Satan.
Thank goodness for the work of the SAFF. http://www.saff.ukhq.co.uk Without their dogged work in tracking all aspects of the SRA myth we wouldn’t now have the evidence to keep a track on reality.
- Waltzing Matilda
October 27, 2015 at 4:29 am -
A British Con Man Says the Devil Made Him Do It.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20093876,00.html
- Waltzing Matilda
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