The Sea giveth and the Sea taketh away.
When William the Conquerer peered across the English channel from Saint-Valery, Pevensey Castle looked to be the shortest and easiest channel crossing to take the fort. If he tried to do the same today, he would have a long walk from his boat – the castle is now the best part of a mile inland.
On the other hand, Dunwich in East Anglia was once the capital city of the Kingdom of the East Angles and an international port equal in size to that of 14thc London – today it is all but washed away. I can still remember, as a child, walking along Dunwich beach and finding human remains from the churchyard that was one of the sea’s last victims…
We are an island, and we have been changing shape since the year dot – you could walk to Paris once upon a time, were you so minded. The Doggerbank is all that remains of Doggerland. Wales is rearing up out of the sea; parts of North Wales may end up 10cm higher over the next 100 years, whilst parts of East Anglia sink by 5cm. All this occurring for centuries, long before global warming, global cooling or whichever is fashionable this year.
That doesn’t stop the Guardian and its merry band of lentil-munching readers from attributing the news that some of their week-end retreats in Whitstable and Poole may end up with indoor salt-water swimming pools, where once their tousle haired children played with ecologically correct toys, being absolutely the fault of the rest of us for using too many aerosol hair sprays – and mighty disgusting it is that we aren’t all chipping in with compensation for their cliff top idyls with granite topped kitchens and temperature controlled wine caves.
Properties worth over £1bn will be lost to coastal erosion in England and Wales over the next century, with no compensation for homeowners, as it becomes too costly to protect them.
Cornwall is expected to lose 76 homes – that is the same Cornwall where ‘hardworking families’ with ‘reddened cheeks and rough hands’ have been priced out of the housing market by well-heeled Londoners seeking a second home. So whose loss is it that we should be weeping over?
Lentil-munchers are divided – “As far as bankers are concerned…let them drown!” is liberally sprinkled amongst the “We should not regard the problem of all the people at risk as being down to their own fault” – it’s been a long time since I have heard such a clarion call for personal responsibility in the Guardian!
It is that ‘£1bn’ headline that has fooled them – £1bn divided by 7,000 homes works out at around £150,000 a throw. We are not talking about the second homes of London bankers! This sounds more like the sort of chalet bungalow that was built by the thousand for aspirational taxi drivers in the 60s to retire to at Jaywick-on-sands. Since the figure quoted is also for a hundred year period, we are talking about 70 houses a year. Not that I am trying to make that sound of no consequence, anyone losing their home is entitled to be devastated – I just find it strange that Guardian readers should have so little concern for 70 ordinary people losing very ordinary homes and instead engage in a bout of spittle-flecked Libertarianism.
“Welfare should be for used only for people who through no fault of their own are severely disadvantaged, not for people who buy houses on flood plains or eroding cliffs.”
“If you choose to live anywhere near the sea, especially on the east coast and can’t afford insurance for coastal erosion or haven’t taken it out then the government is not there to take financial responsibility for you, I’m sorry.”
“If you can’t afford said insurance or if no one will write you a policy then that is telling you something. As in “don’t live there”.
“Why not expect people to make rational decisions or face the consequences if they don’t.”
“We should not be bailing out rich stupid people who ‘want a nice view’ whenever a flood comes along.”
Sheesh! These are the same people who daily scream for more food banks?
They also manage to turn this into a political issue, having noted from the graphic that ‘no intervention’ is planned in predominantly Labour areas, whereas the plan is to ‘hold the line’ in the south East of England:
“Is it just me, or does that map give the distinct impression that the Southeast is getting the most support, whilst most of the rest of the coastline is being left to manage with minimal support?”
“The first year of this parliament had a high flood defence budget set by the previous government, which was subsequently cut by about a quarter by the coalition.”
If I remember correctly, Mrs Thatcher wanted to let the sea reclaim the land – or would cheerfully have let those imaginary bankers drown, as the Guardian readers wish – whereas the previous Labour government were putting a third more into flood defence than the nasty Tories. Confusing isn’t it?
Sure enough, the Queen got it in the neck eventually; “The Crown owns all the foreshore – shouldn’t they be paying to save these houses”. Well, actually, they do put quite a lot into flood defences.
The Dutch would laugh at us, allowing resources we have to crumble into the sea. The Fens around Norfolk and Lincolnshire were once below sea level and drained by the Dutch several hundred years ago for farming and today kept from being overwhelmed by an expensive pumping operation. At the time, the draining was imposed on communities who had established livelihoods based on peat and reed marshland. It was companies of London capitalists who wanted to drain the land for agriculture.
In my neck of the woods, Grade 1 and 2 agricultural land will be at risk as cliffs on the coast continue to erode – it has always happened due to the tides and currents that batter the East Anglian coast. There are some monumentally ugly concrete defences protecting those cliffs and the Norfolk Broads from being overwhelmed by sea water. The Labour government proposed to allow the defences between Hemsby and Happisburgh to fail which would have flooded the fresh water habitats with sea water – ruining grade 1 agricultural land. This isn’t merely an issue of ‘bankers holiday homes at risk’, but the line should be held in most places, simply because allowing areas to be polluted by sea water will make draining and protecting others near impossible.
All those lentils need somewhere to grow; it is thought that medieval farmers in the south of England grew lentils to put in their daily pottage. Seed relics have been found and it is possible that climate change ended the practice. Perhaps if climate change makes it possible to grow them again, those Guardian readers in their London garrets might not be so bitterly resentful of the cost of saving that agricultural land.
Or they could continue to import their lentils:
India ranks near the top among Third World agricultural exporters. While at least 200 million Indians go hungry.
(Ms Raccoon, who has recently bought a tidal riverside property in East Anglia, and loves it to bits, must admit to having a dog in this fight. I have elected not to insure it, and to spend the money on sensible building works designed to minimise any loss should/if it does flood!)
Oh I do like to be beside the seaside,
Look to the future now
It’s only just begun…….
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 9:42 am -
I recall Michael Bentine doing one of his gadget routines on the BBC years ago. He had a polystyrene model of Britain floating in a tub of water, and was explaining that the geography was tilting gradually north to south. In his “potty time” way Michael explained this was due to all the people in the country moving south, which he illustrated with weights and thus naturally this weight inevitably tipped the country down into the sea and inevitably was levering Scotland higher and higher.
This must have been back in the late 60’s or in the 70’s at the latest. Clearly, lessons have not been learned!
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 9:48 am -
On the other hand… it might explain why the BBC moved to Manchester…
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 9:48 am -
Happy New Year by the way…
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- mike fowle
January 1, 2015 at 10:18 am -
The link to the Telegraph story shows that this was a very temporary expedient considered by Mrs T in the case of a tidal surge before the flood barrier had been completed (due to strikes). It was not her general policy. Years ago I used to commute from Southend to London, and could see that there were large expanses of agricultural land round Benfleet and Pitsea etc. which would in an emergency absorb an enormous amount of flood water. That is what I would call a flood plain, not the silly little bits of land that people claim are flood plains to stop other people building near them. Happy New Year.
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 1, 2015 at 10:31 am -
Happy New Year
Hate to sound nasty but I have no sympathy with anyone who buys property on a Norfolk cliff top and I certainly don’t see why the Tax Payer should fund their stupidity. They are worse parasites than the bloody farmers. #makesmypissboil
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 1, 2015 at 10:50 am -
Switch on Look Rabbit Breeder , or whatever the local news is called these days, on any given night of the year and you’ll see someone grizzling “T-T-they pwomised to HOLD THE LINE” -like it was the f**king Maginot. Well NEWSFLASH you dipshit, THEY LIED! That’s what they do and only a fool would believe a word they say. Norfolk villages fall into the sea-if they don’t die out through inbreeding first.
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 11:07 am -
“I wasn’t getting enough exercise so I started lifting the rocks and throwing them against the cliff base, and now I can’t stop,” said Mr Kennedy, a former London Underground worker. He shifts the rocks for two hours every morning, except for Saturdays, when he prefers to watch football. “It gives my fingers a rest,” he said. His rock wall was about 100ft (30m) long.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-26717566- The Blocked Dwarf
January 1, 2015 at 11:43 am -
Had Mr Kennedy had the benefit of a Sunday School education, he would have learnt the basic principles of architecture and known that ‘the Wise man built his house upon the rock, the foolish man built his house upon the sand’ because, to continue the children’s hymn ‘the rains came down and de floods came up’. Nobody who walks a stretch of Norfolk cliff top or beach can be in any doubt that 1. Norfolk dogs have chronic IBS and 2. the cliffs are about as stable as that dog mess they are covered in.
Going off topic somewhat, those Sunday School lessons I endured as a child also taught me the basics of successful agriculture -like not casting seed on stony ground or among thorns. It taught me to be aware of the dangers of secondary fermentation (new wine in old skins). It explained the concept of successful home decor lighting (if you want to light a room don’t put that lava lamp under a basket) and , perhaps, most importantly of all that tax collectors will have nowhere to hide come the revolution and pissing off the man with the large hammer and nails is BAD idea.
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 12:03 pm -
He seems at least to have remembered that that God helps those who help themselves…
Imagine the British landscape if we were still waiting for the Environment Agency to clear the land of all those pesky stones and call in consultants to discuss the best method of imprisoning the sheep…
http://www.dry-stone-wall-flora.co.uk/images/mendip-landscape.jpg- The Blocked Dwarf
January 1, 2015 at 12:13 pm -
“He seems at least to have remembered that that God helps those who help themselves… ;-)”
But forgot our Saviour’s admonishment about casting the first stone? :p
My point was that , I fear, his efforts are in vain. The cliffs will fall into the sea. Does he really think the North Sea is going to be halted, or even just slightly inconvenienced, by a few oversized pebbles?
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 12:20 pm -
We’ll zuider zee.
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 1, 2015 at 12:28 pm -
All well and good until you run out of boys willing to stick their fingers in small wet holes…
*departs having, once more, successfully lowered the tone to under that of sea level. Takes hat, his work done*
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 12:46 pm -
Peter and the dyke. A very modern Morality tale.
- grandpa1940
January 9, 2015 at 6:55 pm -
As long as no-one discusses the problems ensuing when someone actually sticks their fingers into an average Dyke.
- grandpa1940
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
- Joe Public
January 1, 2015 at 12:24 pm -
Mr Kennedy’s actions took place at another town subject to Norfolkese pronunciation.
Spelt Hunstanton, pronounced Hun’ston.
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 1, 2015 at 4:49 pm -
I live not far from Little Hautbois…which in ‘Norfolk’ is pronounced ‘Lil’ Haabiss’…Norfolkers never having mastered diphthongs that came over recently with the Normans ( they still speak of the Black Death as if it happened last week).
- The Blocked Dwarf
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
- Joe Public
January 1, 2015 at 10:58 am -
Three points:
1. Happy NewYear to the landlady, staff & commenters here at the Raccoon Arms.
2. For those interested in Norfolk pronunciation, ‘Happisburgh’ is Haisboro.
3. Lesson #1 in Household Economics is that if an insurance company will offer ‘Flood Insurance’, statistically, you don’t need it.
- Duncan Disorderly
January 1, 2015 at 5:31 pm -
Any company that recommends you a particular type of insurance thinks you won’t need it or at least won’t be able to claim – PPI, extended warranties and similar shite.
- Duncan Disorderly
- Alexander Baron
January 1, 2015 at 11:05 am -
There’s a great song about Dunwich by that greatest of songwriters:
http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=8682
I was actually at the Battle of Hastings – albeit in 1966.
- Engineer
January 1, 2015 at 12:23 pm -
Ah, yes – Nature. Very patient, is nature. You can hold her at bay for a short while, but in the end, she’ll always win.
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 12:38 pm -
Just wait till that San Andreas Fault gets litigated…
- Engineer
January 1, 2015 at 2:02 pm -
It would go all the way to the Supreme Court, and the Fault would win….
- Engineer
- Moor Larkin
- corevalue
January 1, 2015 at 1:00 pm -
Historically, the sea level seems to have varied a lot in historical times.
“500 In the Fens the Roman drainage system built around Car Dyke had failed as there was no administration to maintain it against the rising sea levels. Areas of Fen now flooded, leaving only Ely and a few other islands above the water level. Along with this problem came a rise in sea levels through the 4th and 5th centuries, so that by this time East Anglia was a virtual isthmus, cut off from the area of Mercia to the West by the great marshy fenland. ”
http://stedmundsburychronicle.com
- The Vatman Cometh
January 1, 2015 at 2:07 pm -
As someone who lives at the junction of the Lincolnshire coast and the Humber estuary it has always been apparent how relentless the sea is and how man is ultimately powerless to prevent it from encroaching over time. Although last years floods affected local coastal areas from South Ferriby (not far from where the Trent flows into the Humber) down to Boston, they were overshadowed by Nelson Mandela popping off at the same time so didn’t make the news as much as the subsequent Somerset and Thames floods; quite how today’s ever-hungry 24 hour media would have coped with the 1953 floods which devastated the east coast from Lincolnshire down to Essex is anyone’s guess !
The East Yorkshire coast, being soft clay cliffs for the most part, has seen the most relentless retreat caused by the sea; the local news has periodic stories about houses, gardens and roads disappearing inton the North Sea. Even whole villages and towns have gone; Ravenser Odd, for instance, was one of the Humber’s main trading ports in the 13th century – bigger than Hull and in direct (and sometimes underhand) competition with Grimsby. Yet within 150 years of being founded it had been destroyed by the sea and all trace of it has gone – showing yet again how puny humans are when in direct competition with the forces of nature.
- Engineer
January 1, 2015 at 2:15 pm -
‘Isostatic Bounce’ has an effect, too. Seems that the weight of ice during the last Ice Age pushed Scotland down a bit (the ice was a mile thick, which is more than even the coolest Scotsman needs in his whisky), and the south coast of England popped up a bit; the pivot point is somewhere about the north of England. When the ice melted, Scotland popped up and the south coast dropped back. Since all this happens on a geological timescale, the popping and dropping is still going on today. Well, it’s either that, or a subtle plot by the Scot Nats – Scotland’s getting slowly bigger, and England’s slowly sinking.
Tempting to buy a plot somewhere up the Pennines, but that won’t work either. Nature’s eroding the upland bits, slowly. Eventually, we’ll all finish up in a fen. Might take a while, though. No need for immediate panic – well, not this week, anyway.
- The Blocked Dwarf
January 1, 2015 at 2:41 pm -
“the ice was a mile thick, which is more than even the coolest Scotsman needs in his whisky)”
Nae REEL ScotsmUnn , however cool, would take ice in his dram. I believe people have been hung for lesser crimes …like reading Burns in the modern English translation, ‘speaking’ Gaelic (you HAVE the Gaelic) or actually eating haggis.
- Moor Larkin
January 1, 2015 at 2:51 pm -
Irnbru is presumably an Ice-o-tectonically balanced drink.
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Bill Sticker
January 1, 2015 at 3:24 pm -
“engage in a bout of spittle-flecked Libertarianism” Should that not be ‘Liberalism’ in the modern, not the classical, sense? Spittle flecked, certainly. All these class and eco-worriers don’t really have a clue. Which their comments demonstrate admirably.
- Jeremy Poynton
January 1, 2015 at 5:54 pm -
@mike fowle January 1, 2015 at 10:18 am
. That is what I would call a flood plain, not the silly little bits of land that people claim are flood plains to stop other people building near them. Happy New Year.
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It *was* so. And then a bloke called “John Prescott” came along, and decided that it was good to build on flood plains. And lo, they built on flood plains. And it was bad. And said “Prescott” was ennobled. Quite how that works, outside of Alice In Wonderland, I do not know. Ours not to question why. - GildasTheMonk
January 1, 2015 at 7:53 pm -
Doggerland is interesting. Archeological evidence is now clear. Many tens of thousands of years ago, what is now the North Sea was a huge plane, stretching from what is now the UK to Europe and Germany. At some point a dam broke and a tsunami of biblical proportions sped south and wiped out everything in its pass. It had been caused by a huge under sea collapse near Norway. The remains of this wave can still be observed to this day in mud and soil layers. Thousands died.
- GildasTheMonk
January 1, 2015 at 7:53 pm -
Path
- Hadleigh Fan
January 1, 2015 at 8:12 pm -
Gildas, the Storegga landslide has nowt to do with the flooding of Doggerland, sorry. The last episode of this slide took place about 8ka bp, by which time post glacial sea level was withing a few metres of current levels. Doggerland was flooded by the approximate 125m sea level rise post-glacially starting slowly about 22ka bp, gaining speed a couple of millennia later, and slowing up for the last few millennia before reaching more-or-less present day levels around 6ka bp.
Oh, and plain, not plane.
- Engineer
January 1, 2015 at 8:36 pm -
I gather there is geological evidence for one or more tsunami all down the east coast of Scotland and England in geologically recent times, though. One or more of them may well have caused inundation to some degree in Doggerland and the surrounding low-lying swampy areas, even if it was not the sole cause of it’s being claimed by what is now the North Sea.
- Hadleigh Fan
January 1, 2015 at 11:19 pm -
Engineer,
The tsunami deposits are believed to be associated with the submarine Storegga landslide with the date I gave above. The dates come from (e.g.) radiocarbon dating the deposits. By the time they happened, Doggerland was well under water and had been for millennia, and that is self evident from the sea level rebound curve. The two (tsunami and Doggerland inundation) cannot be connected reasonably.
- Moor Larkin
January 2, 2015 at 9:03 am -
What latitude was Doggerland on at the time?…
Interesting to note that the British Isles have been around a lot longer than the rest of Europe, as a recognisable entity.
http://youtu.be/uGcDed4xVD4?t=2m3s
Or was that animation made by a Ukipper………- Engineer
January 2, 2015 at 3:01 pm -
I gather Britain has some of the most varied and interesting Geology in the world, including some rocks dating back as long as any on the planet’s surface. Perhaps it’s no surprise that the science of geology started its development in Britain.
- Engineer
- Engineer
January 2, 2015 at 2:57 pm -
Thanks for clearing that up!
- Moor Larkin
- Hadleigh Fan
- Engineer
- Hadleigh Fan
- GildasTheMonk
- The Vatman Cometh
January 1, 2015 at 8:27 pm -
Although Doggerland (surely it could now lend its name to a pervs theme park?) is genuine example of a lost land there have been countless legendary examples such as Atlantis and Lyonesse which have fascinated men throughout the ages. The same is true of lost cities; they become the object of obsession even though evidence of their existence is virtually nil – from the conquistadors looking for El Dorado to the disappearance of Percy Fawcett et al whilst looking for the Lost City of Z. Maybe it’s the air of adventure and mystery that arises from such things that gives them their piquancy despite the ultimate futility of trying to prove their existence ?
- Jeremy Poynton
January 2, 2015 at 3:39 pm -
You might enjoy Simon Winchester’s excellent book on the founder of modern Geology, William Smith – “The Map That Changed The World”. It’s a hugely entertaining and informative book – as indeed as are all of the author’s books that I have read.
- Moor Larkin
January 2, 2015 at 4:46 pm -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-30611920
Work on the scheme began in April as part of a joint programme between the Environment Agency and Blackpool and Wyre councils, which is also bolstering flood defences at Rossall.The scheme in the north of the resort, is part of a £86m programme for new sea defences.
Concerns were raised by residents and councillors when stone foundations and a concrete base at Anchorsholme crumbled into the sea.
- Hadleigh Fan
January 3, 2015 at 10:22 pm -
In answer to Moor Larkin, Doggerland, or part of the North Sea, was at more or less exactly its present day latitude throughout the last glaciation, which happened rather a short time ago in the geological scale of things, some tens of thousands of years ago. The sea level rise curve is pretty well established from the ‘Late Glacial Maximum’ (LGM) 21-22k years bp (before present) – see for example here: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png
However, if you take a much longer view on geology, the whole shebang has moved from a southern hemisphere latitude northwards to where is is today, so at approximately 440 million years ago (Ordovician – Silurian) the rocks in N. Wales and the Lake District are down in the South Africa zone. Now 440 million is (coincidentally) around 20,000 times as long ago as the LGM!
The distance is about 10,000 km, so maybe, just maybe, there could be a couple of hundred metres in it!
- Moor Larkin
January 4, 2015 at 9:44 am -
I could have sworn I have read in the past that the Mediterranean used to be a dry basin but then something broke near Gibraltar and the Atlantic started pouring in, but watching that animation I highlighted shows no possibility that such a phenomenon could have occurred since the water in the Med has gradually been isolated from the Oceans rather than being created by them.
Wales appears to have lost about half it’s territory when Cardigan Bay developed. I wonder if the Environment Agency judged it not to be a flooding risk at the time. The traditional story makes it sound possible…
http://www.mysteriousbritain.co.uk/wales/gwynedd/folklore/the-lost-land-of-wales.html
One man began to notice the decay and the danger from the ever-encroaching sea. His name was Teithryn, and he was in charge of the Northern stretches of the dyke. While his vigilance in tending the Northern dams ensured they were sound his fears were ignored by courtiers, too busy with the nights entertainment to worry about the grumbling of a dam keeper.- Hadleigh Fan
January 4, 2015 at 10:37 pm -
Hi Moor,
The Mediterranean Basin may well have been dry in the past: this is known as ‘the Messinian Salinity Crisis’ and occurred during the Miocene between 5.96 and 5.33 million years ago. Saline deposits from this are present about 100m below sea bed level and were discovered as recently as 1961. The reflooding of the Med has been named the Zanclean Flood, but it is a matter of dispute whether it was a catastrophic even or more sedate. Much more recently in geological time, the Black Sea / Sea of Azov reflooded at the end of the Late Glaciation. This happened at a time when there were human observers potentially present.
We need to be cautious in equating legendary accounts with specific geological events. (Although there is often something behind legend and myth, they aren’t usually literal and factual accounts.
- Hadleigh Fan
- Moor Larkin
- Hadleigh Fan
January 5, 2015 at 10:00 am -
Apologies for not closing the final brackets, or missing the t from event – the keyboard is wearing out, or it was late at night, or I was wrestling between using the name ‘Zanclean Flood’ or ‘Lago Mare’.
- Peter Raite
January 5, 2015 at 5:09 pm -
I grew up about a kilometre from the banks – or rather the levees – of the tidal River Hull, and walking along them (the more pleasant summertime route home from my paper round) was a start reminder of how far below sea level our homes were. I recall times when the water was literally inches from the top of the levees – they must have been very precisely engineered, because the closeness seem universal. At one point they reinforced them, adding more on the land side, which resulted in a “shelf” on the water side that only very occasionally got soggy, but much of the risk became academic after the tidal barrier – like an enlarge up and over garage door – was added to the mouth of the river, and occasional alternative to photographs of the Humber Bridge on the cover of the directory for the city’s proudly independent telephone service.
In my lifetime the ground on which the house my father still lives in has only been flooded once, in 2007, but the wide and level topography meant that only a few inches were spread over a great area. My father’s house, like all those on the estate, had been build high enough off the ground that the water never got inside.
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