Shall I number the words for Thee?
I was intrigued by the comments on the numbered words of the Sunday post – ‘Lost Lexicon of England’ – within a few hours it had reached 150 – on a Sunday! Everybody wanted to pile in with their penn’orth. People who had never commented before suddenly burst forth into print. If I ever doubted the average age of our readers, here was proof that they were of the generation that knew Pink Gumption as a method of cleaning the new fangled cast iron bath, rather than a Gay initiative.
I was pondering this morning how it was that I had managed to turn ‘Anna Raccoon’ into the geriatric blogging Queen for the i-Zimmerframe generation, and realised that ‘Anna’ had a lot in common with UKIP and its Poundland ‘own brand’ version of Enoch Powell. We both instinctively understood that there was a world outside of cyber-savvy metro-land with its population of Spad’s and Primrose Hill dog walkers, and that those people – You! – didn’t have a voice in politics or the Internet.
The words that Petunia had listed for you, meant something to you, something beyond mere words. A something that you had once been intensely proud of; every product listed had a manufacturer, a salesman, a woman in accounts balancing the double-entry ledgers, a shopkeeper taking it off the shelves for you – what had happened to the man who once wound the IZAL paper onto its cardboard tube? Agnes in Accounts with her fondness for a Port and Lemon in the snug on her way home on a Friday night? The man who went door to door persuading housewives to give up their squares of torn up newspaper in favour of this brave new scratchy world?
The metro crowd may recoil with horror at the use of the word Chinky – but Farage is savvy enough to know that it speaks volumes to an army of disaffected voters to whom it is not a sign of bigotry – but an affectionate nickname awarded to the thousands of Chinese who arrived in Britain after the second world war, determined to adapt their recipes and make a new life here. The British, in return, adapted their tastebuds and learnt to love ‘wriggly worms’ and unfamiliar flavourings, and took the local ‘Chinky’ to their hearts, awarding it similar nickname status as the ‘Chippie’. Bigots, my foot, there is barely a village in England that doesn’t boast a ‘Chinky’ these days – testament, if it was needed, to the lack of bigotry in these lands.
Those old enough to remember those days listen to Farage defending his East End candidate’s use of the word ‘Chinky’ and cheer him on – he may not have any policies beyond ‘leave the EU’ and ‘cut immigration’, but he knows how to appeal to the voter who remembers IZAL toilet paper.
If those voters hadn’t been so monumentally forgotten; if their pensions hadn’t been sold down the river, if Agnes from Accounts wasn’t languishing in a dismal care home bereft of her Port and Lemon, if the man who wound IZAL round cardboard tube hadn’t been made redundant by the lily livered generation who came after us – that we reared, determined that they should have a better life and introduced to the delights of the softest ever double thread count toilet tissue, as made by Chinese workers, in China, as part of the global economy – they might still be voting Labour.
The YouGov poll for the Sun concluded that the ‘over 60s’ were least likely to have been offended by the term – whereas Labour backbench MPs (those who wish that potential UKIP voters would vote for them) were most likely to be offended, on behalf of Chinkys everywhere. Nobody bothered to poll the Chinese take-away owners, nor the Hong Kong manufacturers of Chinky toothpaste.
Trouble is – we did too good a job of creating a better life for this new permanently outraged generation. We kicked the aristocrats out of the ‘establishment’ – and installed the chemist’s son, and then the grocer’s daughter into Number 10. We took prime pieces of riverside land and created blocks of council flats on them, that came to be known as Dolphin Square. Come to that – the chemist’s son would never have got into number 10, were it not for the likes of Mandy Rice Davies, who knew exactly how to scoff at the aristocracy with her legendary ‘he would say that, wouldn’t he’ riposte to Viscount Astor denying he had slept with her.
Profumo and the Conservative government crumpled under the weight of laughter. We weren’t frightened of the ‘establishment’ – we invented political satire and the irreverent Peter Cook perfectly encapsulated our complete disrespect for ‘establishment’ with his merciless ribbing of Harold MacMillan’s ‘four minute warning of nuclear war’ when he jibed in suitably upper class tones to an audience that included MacMillan – “ I would remind (the voters) there are some people in this great country of ours who can run a mile in four minutes”. The audience roared with laughter.
Across the land, East End paraffin salesmen were remerging as multi-millionaire property dealers; tool makers who worked for the unions stood as MPs. Some of those East End lads sent their sons to Public Schools, Eton, Fettes – they could well afford them – they emerged with degrees in philosophy, politics and economics and went into politics! We haven’t had a genuine aristocrat in the ‘establishment’ since that left wing firebrand Tony Benn.
Blocks of council flats such as Dolphin Square were quickly inhabited by MPs and other refugees from the tough world of calling the toolmakers out on strike – and the dustmen and dinner ladies who had first been given the keys to those apartments hurried off with their windfall to live in Spain, sipping Sangria round the pool.
Now those of us who are over 60 watch bemused as daily the media tell us that the ‘close association’ between a Leeds Bevan Boy turned Disc Jockey and the Grocer’s daughter represents an ‘establishment’ of which they are/were so terrified that they were stunned into silence for 30 years – until rescued by the caring hands of an Australian Legal firm that is going to put everything all right for them with a fat cheque – for the legal firm….
Apparatchiks at the BBC are falling over themselves to appeal to anybody who might employ them in the future – first they assured us that they knew ‘all along’ that Savile was abusing girls and boys with gay abandon but they were ‘too scared’ to tell anyone, because he noshed his Christmas dinner with the Grocer’s daughter every year (a claim now comprehensively debunked by Tim Bell who was at that Chequers lunch every year for all 11 years that she held it – and never met Savile!); now they say that they knew all along that the BBC had botched and skewed coverage of immigration, but were ‘too scared’ to mention that too….Mea Culpas all round – and Esther Rantzen, hand-wringer extraordinaire, in the New Year’s honours list?
It is hard to work out where this new ‘class war’ is heading. Last Sunday I found myself scratching my head as Andrew Marr, ‘raving leftie’ by his own admission – but privately educated son of an investment banker – prepared to grill the nearest thing we have to a hereditary Peer these days, Lord Mandelson, grandson of Herbert Morrison, PPE graduate, and architect of the Labour revival which saw the introduction of mass immigration to these shores, as to future plans to disempower this ‘establishment’.
‘Could be an interesting interview’ I said to myself – before being treated to the sight of the pair of them waxing lyrical over Mandelson and his Brazilian’s joy at having found a new home in Wiltshire.
‘I am going to rent a modest dwelling in deepest Wiltshire next door to the herdsman and his family.
What he didn’t mention was his neighbour on the other side – and owner of this house that he is renting. Nathaniel Rothschild; the same Rothschild that he once shared a birch leaves thrashing with in a Finnish sauna.
“We were beaten by a 25-year-old banya keeper man, who has spent his life perfecting the art of banya.
“Then we jumped into ice-cold water. It is the best way in the world to beat jet lag and everything else. It was incredibly enjoyable.
From where I am sitting, this ‘establishment’ looks about as terrifying as Quentin Crisp having a panic attack.
How did we manage to rear a generation terrified of them – and what in God’s name are they planning to replace them by?
Your starter for 10….
- alan1803
December 28, 2014 at 5:10 pm -
Benn wasn’t that much of an aristocrat. He was the second Viscount Stansgate, his dad being the first, ennobled for service in the wartime govt. IIRC, young Anthony was the second son and inherited the title because his elder brother, the heir apparent to the title, was killed in action. He was able to get rid of the title and stand again for the House of Commons because the Tories, then in govy, wanted to let Lord Home do likewise.
- Joe Public
December 28, 2014 at 6:00 pm -
“I was pondering this morning how it was that I had managed to turn ‘Anna Raccoon’ into the geriatric blogging Queen for the i-Zimmerframe generation, ….”
Quick, register your concept before the fruity-firm claims it. [A shelf between the handles, with a built-in iPad having GPS facility, to guide user back to his/her correct room.]
- Sackerson
December 28, 2014 at 6:25 pm -
Like your bit about Mandelson’s Brazilian wax.
- Fat Steve
December 29, 2014 at 9:53 am -
The Socialist vision of utopia realised ……one of the elect getting his jollies in a sauna with a Plutocrat and a Rothschild for company….and the place ( and respect and dignity) in this Utopia to be accorded to the working class exemplified by a nubile or stacked member of either gender (depending on the taste of the particular member of the elect on the day) wielding a birch for his/her pleasure. Personally I see more dignity and opportunity for the hapless 25 year old in becoming a coalminer.
- Greg_L-W.
January 2, 2015 at 2:16 pm -
Hi,
I believe you will find this particular Brazilian, of whom you wax lyrical, is in fact Mandy’s toy boy the much passed around young Brazilian ‘student’ Renaldo.
That they are moving to Wiltshire may make some homes there more affordable but it will do little for their trading at the clubs in London, though I’m sure they will have no difficulty finding beds for brief spells. Even on occasions practicing darker arts with chikens as they did when in Brazil (the Country!).
Regards,
Greg_L-W.
- Fat Steve
- The Blocked Dwarf
December 28, 2014 at 6:33 pm -
“Izal -the implications of it’s decline , the socio-economic considerations and possible link to the rise in Celebrity Paedophilia “….I spy a doctoral thesis.
- Sackerson
December 28, 2014 at 6:36 pm -
Do you know the ditty:
Ding dong bell
Pussy’s in the well
Better put some Izal down
And never mind the smell– English poesy – nothing to beat it.
- eric hardcastle
January 4, 2015 at 5:18 am -
I’m fascinated by the rise of the ‘sex slave’ and wonder if the late Mandy Rice Davies & Christine Keeler should now be referred to as the notorious 1960’s Sex Slaves in the Profumo Affair.
Does it also mean when one is being transported by private jet to the UK for an alleged assignation with a Royal would one put ‘Sex Slave’ in that little Occupation box on your Immigration Card?- Moor Larkin
January 4, 2015 at 9:30 am -
Operation Paladin involved none other than Peter Spindler.
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=SXPs5d-wQwIC&lpg=PA270&ots=yhImYHW9j3&dq=enslaved%20dcs%20spindler&pg=PA269#v=onepage&q&f=trueI am becoming convinced that the whole slavery thing is merely a reaction to multi-kulti wherein the law reacts as if the whole society is guilty because to do otherwise would merely highlight where the actual problem is and then that in turn exacerbates a problem that worries the establishment far more than whether what they are saying is actually true. You will see from the book extract that Paladin resulted in no prosecutions……….. it’s almost as if it is the police and authorities who are seeing an immigrant problem but they cannot prove that there is one. No wonder British society at large is so baffled sometimes. Spindler and his “Hiding in Plain Sight” theories are plain to see. There are no coincidences.
- Moor Larkin
- Sackerson
- johnnyrvf
December 28, 2014 at 6:34 pm -
I remember growing up never knowing what profession, trade or business to be in. Now only a couple of years off the big six oh I know what I should have been, a Toolmaker. I know three toolmakers well, in turn they have made parts for Marconi Spacecraft, items for Tigerfish torpedos, bits for any number of Formula one racing teams and others, built the prototype of the Rolls Royce Olympus gas turbine that powered the Vulcan Vee bomber and eventually in modified form the Concorde, modified a Rover vee eight engine block into a working vee six engine for the Leyland Metro V6/4 rally car of the eighties to name just a few. qyqhrn if that was not enough after work in their spotless and well equiped garages at home and helped me fit several overly large ( in cubic capacity rather than actual physical size ) engines into chassis never designed for them AND end up with motorcycles that looked unique and functioned as a well engineered piece of technology and not a bodged shed special. Tool makers are rather special people, very clever with a propensity for elegance in design and execution of their work usually alloyed with a wry sense of humour needed to combat the stupidity of the management above them. Working class heroes definitely, working class idiots definitely not. To call yourself an Engineer nowadays requires a degree, the exception being that you are a qualified Toolmaker.
- Sackerson
December 28, 2014 at 6:47 pm -
And you get to play with a sandbox!
- binao
December 28, 2014 at 7:40 pm -
I’m not a toolmaker, but spent most of my apprenticeship in the toolroom, and most of my working life in manufacturing, I’m amazed at how little interest there is in the brilliant technology that makes the everyday things we use and often discard as worthless. The intricacy, the ingenuity & speed of the processes, the mind boggling quantities of everyday stuff that’s made to exacting standards is rarely appreciated.
But back to wrinkly bit; sure I guess few of us have much respect for the so called establishment, & I despair of the BBC.
Our perspective is I hope not one of Luddites hopelessly out of touch with the modern world, just not accepting of the future a small number of people are exploiting the system to force on us. People with a vanishing connection to our realities.
We tend to vote, so the reaction is to remove choice; hence red, yellow & blue Labour.
This has provided an opportunity for the likes of UKIP & the Greens, not to be be tolerated, so the younger voters will have to be made to vote. They have little experience, only know the status quo, are idealistic & vulnerable.
Their has votes will be got.
But then I’m prejudiced.
Just a view. - Engineer
December 28, 2014 at 11:45 pm -
“To call yourself an Engineer nowadays requires a degree…”
Yup. Got one of those. I’ve also spent many hours in overalls and steel-capped boots, so have a healthy respect for the better class of blue-collar worker as well.
I think the ‘toolmaker’ Anna had in mind was a certain Red Robbo (which the denizens of the Snug will recall); a toolmaker only in name – by all accounts he did very little toolmaking.
- ivan
December 30, 2014 at 10:24 pm -
Like you Engineer, I have one – two actually – and also spent many of the early years in overalls, steel-caped boots and a hard hat turning all the ‘book learning’ into practical experience by learning from the blue-collar experts.
Unfortunately, that no longer applies to the ‘engineers’ produced by the jumped up poli techs that now think they are ubiversities – those graduates knoe that they know it all – they don’t.
- ivan
- Sackerson
- windsock
December 28, 2014 at 6:54 pm -
Sorry…. there’s a world (word?) of difference between referring to a shop where you can get a Chinese takeaway as a “Chinky” and referring to a woman of apparent Chinese origin as a “Chinky bird”. As a writer, you surely appreciate that context is everything.
It was his reference to “hunting peasants” that pissed me off.
- Fat Steve
December 28, 2014 at 7:02 pm -
I am going to rent a modest dwelling in deepest Wiltshire next door to the herdsman and his family. or
We were beaten by a 25-year-old banya keeper man, who has spent his life perfecting the art of banya.Then we jumped into ice-cold water. It is the best way in the world to beat jet lag and everything else. It was incredibly enjoyable.
Honestly Anna I don’t know from where you garner these gems but really one couldn’t make it up if one tried ….perhaps it is a generational thing but Mandelson can’t be that different from me in age so I suggest its cultural , no not a specifically anti semitic jibe, but rather such culture that has taken over from that which is reflected in the forgotten lexicon.
But time has marched on and whilst I lament the absence of care, appreciation and depth (one could go on endlessly ….manners, respect for the individual etc) in present day culture, I rejoice that for those brought up in ‘our’ generation(s), life can be infinitely better than we might have imagined when young.
There is no need to be banyaned (verb?) by a 25 year old in a sauna, even less to tell someone about it or even less than that, vote for someone who gets his jollies that way. That people have, in the recent past, voted for someone with those tastes and a wish to celebrate them (flaunt perhaps the better word) is I think no more than a passing (past?) phase from which those with learning as distinct from training (an ever increasing minority) will see as the foolishness of their elders
I have nostalgia for spotted dick and custard, the warmth of a caste iron radiator and the peace of Sunday evensong but wonder if just as Solzhenitsyn had nostalgia for the gulag , my nostalgia is caused by remembering high points in a rather drab world.- Fat Steve
December 28, 2014 at 8:25 pm -
P.S. Love the Logo at the top which I missed in my anxiety to read the content but sorry, although we missed each other over Christmas so can’t claim personal knowledge of your appearance, I really can’t imagine you in so unflatteringly a cartoon figure ….I see you more the sophisticated raccoon with elegant quill in one hand and hemlock in the other or an Emma Peel type raccoon with a pen in in one hand that stuns as well as writes and a submachine in the other ….either spells death to the hypocrite
- Cascadian
December 30, 2014 at 4:03 pm -
I fear the “Wind of Change” comment a few weeks back was not wholly in jest.
The new banner is not an improvement and entirely unnecessary.
- Cascadian
- Fat Steve
- Stewart Cowan
December 28, 2014 at 7:44 pm -
From where I am sitting, this ‘establishment’ looks about as terrifying as Quentin Crisp having a panic attack.
I’ll write in my name, rather than God’s! I agree with a lot of what you write, but there certainly is an Establishment and it’s a lot more terrifying than this, although, while that description tickled me, someone having a panic attack is frightening for all concerned.
It’s maybe an establishment within an Establishment. Maybe there are lots of establishments. The establishment you’re talking about is the one the public sees: the mealy-mouthed politicians and bankers, for example, but there are ties that bind, such as Freemasonry and the socialist cabals which have been working for well over a century to bring about socialist global governance and they are overseen by the real Establishment that set up the UN. The UN, like all fronts, has a caring and compassionate appearance but ulterior motives. Ask smokers if the UN’s FTCT is compassionate or many other examples from the WHO alone.
I would suggest that paedophile rings doubtlessly exist within the “establishment” involving politicians, judges and senior police officers. Perhaps the disc jockeys and soap actors are chosen as distractions. Misdirection is the key to keeping the people in the dark!
- guthrie
December 30, 2014 at 12:32 pm -
Peter Oborne’s book “The triumph of the political class” makes a good case for there having been a change in the composition of the establishment. (Okay, its a while since I read it, so I’m summarising memories with a little help from the book)
FOr instance, he quotes Anthony Sampson in 1962 writing that there are a ring of establishments thathave friction between them and act as checks on each other. Oborne notes that the establishment rested on institutions which have come under sustained attack from the political class, aided by its friends in the media. The effect is that everything is centralised around the politicians. It seems that the press weren’t actually part of the establishment in the good old days. But now, you can say they are. Hence why they are flailing about being nasty to people, they are the ones in charge now.
Page 51 of the paperback edition, Oborne writes, “The media, kept on th eoutside by the establishment, has emerged as the defining Political class activity. Likewise advertising and public relations, considered by the establishment as low-grade and not worthy of notice, have become a core part of the government. These professions are central to the key political class methodology of electoral manipulation, and no modern political leader feels comfortable operating without advertising, media and PR experts in his inner team.”Basically there’s been a change in how Britain has been governed, with the establishment of old fading away, replaced with a new power mongering structure based on politicians and the media. Oborne also points out that the intelligence agencies have managed to be both part of hte establishment and then cut their cloth to fit with the new political class ascendancy, .
- Moor Larkin
December 30, 2014 at 12:52 pm -
So that makes Peter, the chief political commentator of the Daily Telegraph and associate editor of the Spectator, a pillar of the Establishment presumably. https://www.opendemocracy.net/authors/peter-oborne
- Moor Larkin
- guthrie
- Dioclese
December 28, 2014 at 9:48 pm -
Strange coincidence as it might seem, I used to work for Izal…
Weird or what?
- Rob J
December 29, 2014 at 4:51 am -
Could you explain what the thinking was behind a bog paper that had no absorbent properties? Thanks in advance.
- Sackerson
December 29, 2014 at 8:45 am -
There was a Catholic boarding school, I forget which, where reportedly the monks would hand out two pieces of bog paper when you went to the loo, one absorbent and one glossy – explaining that one was to clean and the other to polish.
- Sackerson
- Rob J
- right_writes
December 28, 2014 at 10:51 pm -
We used to dream of Izal…
It was Bronco for us.
I love the way Mar(xist) lets his lefty pals ramble on and on endlessly, whilst anyone who doesn’t fit into “his establishment” gets stopped mid-flow as a matter of routine by continuous fatuous unrelated blurts.
- Andrew Rosthorn
December 28, 2014 at 11:41 pm -
Like Paul Hamlyn, Nat Lofthouse and Eric Morecambe, Jimmy Savile was a Bevin [not Bevan] Boy. They were named after a Bristol lorry driver who became Foreign Secretary and negotiated with Stalin at Potsdam. That was a political journey that would be quite impossible today and offers a clue about what’s wrong with politics on our day.
By the way, Ernest Bevin had no time for Peter Mandelson’s grandfather. When someone said Herbert Morrison was his own worst enemy, Bevin said, “Not while I’m alive he ain’t.”- Moor Larkin
December 29, 2014 at 12:59 pm -
* a Bristol lorry driver who became Foreign Secretary and negotiated with Stalin at Potsdam *
Perhaps therein lies a lesson for all of us…
“What the Soviet Union was interested in after the war was ethnic cleansing in the purest sense, that is, they were creating homogenous states. The primary victims and the first victims of this process were the Germans. It had been agreed at Potsdam that the Germans would be removed from these territories, as many were mixed ethnic territories for hundreds of years. That meant that many millions of Germans physically had to be removed and replaced by Poles or [in] the Sudetenland replaced by Czechs and Slovaks.
The process of ethnic cleansing was much more elaborate than we often now remember. Many millions of people had to be put on trains and shipped out of the country and I should stress two things about it: one is that the communist parties themselves in many of these countries ran this process and the second is that it was extremely popular. The deportation of the Germans was considered a great achievement of the communist parties and was thought as such at the time, even though it was of course brutal and cruel and in many cases unfair. Germans who had worked on behalf of the Polish resistance were deported alongside Germans who had been Nazis.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/10/how-communism-took-over-eastern-europe-after-world-war-ii/263938/ - eric hardcastle
December 30, 2014 at 8:13 am -
So Paul Hamlyn was a humble Bevin boy as well ! I knew for years that his mistress was the famous /infamous Australian lady of the night Madam Lash only revealed after his death but as yet I have seen no mention of the wardrobe he provided for her to wear for his visits to Sydney. She showed it me after promising not to reveal the contents. I was just thinking of him (and her) only last night while I watched a video of the series Hitler’s Diaries.
- Moor Larkin
- eric hardcastle
December 29, 2014 at 8:37 am -
haven’t got time to read this until tonight but I so love the new banner !
- Stewart Cowan
December 29, 2014 at 9:52 am -
I meant to add this (part of the global Establishment’s agenda to weaken nation states to produce world government) – that the infatuation with things people say/tweet/email, etc. regarding “racism”, “sexism” and “homophobia” is to keep these things at the forefront of our thoughts to aid in the divide and conquer goings on. There seems to be precious little genuine racism, thankfully, i.e. in being beaten black and blue (no pun intended) or worse, so the more minor misdemeanors have to be magnified 1,000 times through the microscope of the media, as their “journalists” and “researchers” scan the tweets from thousands of Twitter accounts and also make what were supposed to be private conversations and emails public. That betrayal of trust shown by snitchers together with the unwillingness from the Offended Ones to accept an apology and move on means society appears to have replaced genuine morals with the new “right and wrong”.
Take Wigan Athletic. You have Dave Whelan the chairman, who made a comment to the Guardian? – “Jewish people chase money more than everybody else” and he mentioned “Chinks” somewhere. He’s 78 years old, but there’s no mercy; no forgiveness. An apology is not acceptable. He might eventually have bowed down to kiss the golden PC calf, full of contrition, but he still has to be dragged through an FA hearing and possibly give up his position.
There are two versions (that I know of) of the old joke about how the Grand Canyon was formed. One is a that a Scot dropped a dime down a rabbit hole. The alternative version is that a Jew dropped the coin. Touchy as some of my fellow Scots are, would Mr Whelan be in trouble for saying that “Scottish people chase money more than everybody else” or had called Scots “Jocks”?
It’s an offensive name for us, you know. As for the joke, I find the Scottish version funny. Maybe because I know loads of tight Jocks! I also know a few stingy English folk. But if Mr Whelan had ended up in the same trouble for being a “racist” against the Scots with two fairly innocuous comments I would have been mortified.
And he appointed manager Malky Mackay who is under investigation for similar ‘offences’. I think “sexism” is one of them. Not sure what he said but didn’t a bloke get into trouble for suggesting, re. woman’s football, that they should be at the kitchen sink?
It’s an old joke, but no humour is allowed now if it is likely to offend someone, somewhere; now or anytime in any conceivable future scenario. Or even offend someone on someone else’s behalf.
Talking of which, I think it was in a comment left a few days ago in the Raccoon Arms, which appears to have been sold to make room for a Tesco Metro in the village. Nice new masthead, though. The comment led to a tweet from a woman who was offended at seeing a golly in a shop window. I sent her a link to this forum asking if black members find them offensive and it seems that (on this evidence) they generally don’t. What they find more offensive is people telling them that they should be offended. http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1539777
- Moor Larkin
December 29, 2014 at 12:41 pm -
There was a small farrago over Xmas about some rugby players. One of the white guys had blacked himself up to resemble a particular footie player (apparently). He issued apologies etc and his club apologised and everyone declared it inappropriate. The thing was, I was looking at the group picture and there was a black guy dressed up to look like the blond one from Abba (I assume). He got off scot-free from accusations of racial opprobrium it seems. And if you don’t believe me…
https://s.yimg.com/os/publish-images/sports/2014-12-21/6ceb0a30-891c-11e4-8bc2-979faadb888b_Fancy-dress.jpg
- Moor Larkin
- Newmark
December 29, 2014 at 11:10 am -
Dolphin Square in Pimlico has always been privately owned. Maybe you are confusing it with the nearby Churchill Gardens which is a council estate.
- Square Eyes
December 29, 2014 at 1:41 pm -
For a short while, I worked at BBC Televsion Centre as a graduate entrant in the 1970s. The two things I can remember from the experience are:
– Hip-level holes, about the size of apples, which had been cut in the partitions between cubicles in the Gents. The holes were normally stuffed full of Izal-like loo paper and thus effectively closed. The paper could obviously be removed when required by consenting neighbours on either side of the partition. Glory hallelujah, indeed.
– The wardrobe department, on the 3rd floor, which was said to be the only part of TV Centre in which outside visitors were totally forbidden. I dread to think why, but presumably personal safety came into it.- Moor Larkin
December 29, 2014 at 2:16 pm -
The size of apples?
Bloody hell.
- Moor Larkin
- Hadleigh Fan
December 29, 2014 at 2:04 pm -
Well, I am an engineer of sorts, with three degrees and memberships of a couple of professional bodies, and frankly, one of the great losses we have suffered in this country is the abandonment of the night-school educated technician who ‘made good’ in his profession by dint of hard work in industry. The 2014 President of the Institution of Structural Engineers is one such, as indeed were the designers of the Spitfire, Hurricane and Lancaster! Unlike many of my fellow Chartered Engineers I don’t believe that there is a case for reserving the title ‘Engineer’ for such as I, and I am comfortable that it is bestowed on those who work with ‘engines’ as much as those who use ‘ingenuity’. I suspect that there are more uses for engineers of all sorts in society than there are for graduates in Islamic Women’s Studies.
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
December 29, 2014 at 4:58 pm -
Democracy? Hmmm. There are many types of it, apparently. Dare I suggest it is no longer fit for purpose? Perhaps we need a capable dictator to sort out the nations problems for 5 years or so. As long as he (or she) then moves away from the levers of power I will have no complaint.
- Mudplugger
December 29, 2014 at 9:13 pm -
Problem is, history’s not exactly littered with cases of dictators who voluntarily move away from the levers of power, so you’ll end up complaining eventually.
- Moor Larkin
December 30, 2014 at 12:27 pm -
“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
― Benito Mussolini“The first truth is that the liberty of a democracy is not safe if the people tolerate the growth of private power to a point where it becomes stronger than their democratic state itself. That, in its essence, is fascism — ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power…. Among us today a concentration of private power without equal in history is growing.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt“Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion.”
― Friedrich Hayek
- Moor Larkin
- Mudplugger
- Cascadian
December 29, 2014 at 8:14 pm -
The air at the Sussex coast must have been very agreeable, another fine analysis by the landlady of the decline and fall of the “labour” party.
“and what in God’s name are they planning to replace them by?”………that seems rather obvious, a succession of red princes and princesses. Indeed the party of the “labouring classes”-snort, is now a meritocracy of bliars, dromeys, benns, university debaters, permanently-offended wimmin, and assorted union leaders spawn, none of them having done a days work in the real economy, all of them with fanciful ideas similar to herbert morrison-lets have an NHS, then we will decide how to pay for it. We all see how that has worked. And they wonder why their popularity is sinking.
These people whose world experience is miniscule are the every same who would restrict language for fear of offending a micro-percentage of potential voters, what UKIP have discerned is that real workers have no such reluctance to define groups in humourous or descriptive terms, no harm is intended and real people understand the message.
Binao’s comment is perceptive…”hence red, yellow & blue Labour” with so little difference available between parties, perhaps a chance that real people could be elected is compelling.
- Wigner’s Friend
December 30, 2014 at 2:49 pm -
Recently read this line in a SF book by Neal Asher and it could be applied to our current parliamentarians:
“As their leaders tried to apply ideologies refined in academia, without any reference to reality, the people divided into factions, sometimes into nation states, and often went to war”
- Wigner’s Friend
- Ms Mildred
December 30, 2014 at 10:55 am -
Somehow I think we would soon know the difference if labour gained control. Especially if Scots labour got its foot in the door. Oh my how we would notice it! As for the NHS…. well we work it to death with our trivial demands. I was told in a polyclinic that I was the only one seen that day for a valid reason….pyelitis, which can be a killer if allowed to run unchecked long enough. I waited 3 hours to be seen. So I was surprised when the doctor said this. Waiting recently all night and most of the morning in A&E, and confirmed on LBC by a senior A&E spokesman, that it is drunken friends and aggressive relatives of ‘accident’ attendees who cause so much hassle and intrusion and delay. The ‘accidents’ seem not to know that there are people who are ill, very ill, also in A&E, in our strange system that mixes up these 2 streams. Certain premiers in our country could be called ‘benevolent autocrats’ they get/got things done. They are rare beasts and now we have ‘swinging in the wind’ ditherers and politically correct nutballs who want to stop our mouths up with their stupid word bans.
- Henry the Horse
December 30, 2014 at 11:58 am -
With all due respect to Anna complaints about immigration might come better from someone who hasn’t spent so much time living in another European country!
I am in Spain at the moment and amazed at how one of the favourite topics in English bars is the way the UK is being swamped by immigrants who don’t learn the language and don’t integrate. Physician heal thyself!
- Moor Larkin
December 30, 2014 at 12:36 pm -
I think the main concern is that they undercut market rates of pay and conditions whilst simultaneously leaving no need for training our own feckless ones. A current UKIP meme seems to be that our NHS would cease to function if all the foreigners were sent back. Nobody really asks the question of why we cannot man and woman it ourselves via the several millions thrown on the scrapheap by the vicious cuts and so it goes… around and around… Pass the sangria…
- windsock
December 30, 2014 at 1:34 pm -
Training our feckless ones – where to start? Are they, of necessity, feckless? Really? Do they have the ability? The desire? The compassion” The inquisitiveness? You can’t train a doctor or nurse like you would a binman. What about writing off student debt for those who become employed by the NHS? Why would anyone want to be burdened with £27,000 of debt to be moaned at all the time? Etc etc
- Moor Larkin
December 30, 2014 at 2:49 pm -
The non-medical numbers have some answer to what is going on. A binman would have no trouble doing the same jobs I imagine, but might be better-paid and work shorter hours emptying the bins. These are the non-medical numbers in 2013.
87 Afghan
54 Albanian
43 Algerian
934 American
1 American Samoan
28 Angolan
1 Anguillan
6 Antiguan
22 Argentine
5 Armenian
3 Aruban
1,132 Australian
231 Austrian
6 Azerbaijani
8 Bahamian
3 Bahraini
286 Bangladeshi
102 Barbadian
4 Basotho
17 Belarusian
212 Belgian
9 Belizean
6 Beninese
2 Bermudian
7 Bhutanese
12 Bolivian
13 Bosnian
270 Brazilian
864,775 British
8 British Virgin Islander
10 Bruneian
492 Bulgarian
5 Burkinabe
35 Burmese
32 Burundi
6 Cambodian
208 Cameroonian
476 Canadian
1 Cape Verdean
56 Caymanian
143 Central African
– Chadian
16 Channel Islander
25 Chilean
640 Chinese
90 Colombian
1 Comoran
117 Congolese
2 Costa Rican
40 Croatian
12 Cuban
91 Cypriot
486 Czech
317 Danish
38 Dominican
887 Dutch
13 Dutch Antillean
22 Ecuadorian
59 Egyptian
– Emirati
2 Equatorial Guinean
104 Eritrean
95 Estonian
72 Ethiopian
1 Faroese
39 Fijian
299 Finnish
1,059 French
2 French Guianese
1 French Polynesian
8 Gabonese
149 Gambian
8 Georgian
1,405 German
2,230 Ghanaian
7 Gibraltar
546 Greek
46 Grenadian
1 Guamanian
2 Guatemalan
17 Guinean
167 Guyanese
– Haitian
4 Honduran
40 Hong Kong (British/Chinese)
439 Hungarian
17 Icelandic
1 I-Kiribati
10,934 Indian
35 Indonesian
183 Iranian
42 Iraqi
10,715 Irish
47 Israeli
1,395 Italian
47 Ivorian
1,537 Jamaican
145 Japanese
25 Jordanian
4 Kazakhstani
739 Kenyan
7 Kittitian
48 Korean
1 Kosrae
5 Kuwaiti
2 Kyrgyzstani
6 Latin American
215 Latvian
13 Lebanese
35 Liberian
11 Libyan
1 Liechtenstein
585 Lithuanian
7 Luxembourg
16 Macedonian
2 Malagasy
192 Malawian
682 Malaysian
3 Maldivian
– Malian
112 Maltese
22 Manx
245 Mauritanian
1,270 Mauritian
28 Mexican
5 Moldovan
8 Mongolian
5 Montserratian
50 Moroccan
50 Motswana
3 Mozambican
23 Namibian
1,016 Nepalese
580 New Zealand
1 Nicaraguan
4,210 Nigerian
71 Nigerien
5 Niuean
2 Ni-Vanuatu
1 Norfolk Islander
149 Norwegian
12 Omani
943 Pakistani
1 Palauan
4 Panamanian
5 Papua New Guinean
– Paraguayan
40 Peruvian
12,713 Philippine
4,976 Polish
2,863 Portuguese
1 Qatari
3 Reunionese
933 Romanian
103 Russian
63 Rwandan
2 Saint Helenian
53 Saint Lucian
29 Saint Vincentian
4 Salvadoran
2 Samoan
12 Saudi Arabian
18 Senegalese
23 Serbian
43 Seychellois
557 Sierra Leonean
121 Singapore
505 Slovak
57 Slovenian
1 Solomon Islander
212 Somali
1,674 South African
2,340 Spanish
515 Sri Lankan
43 Sudanese
1 Surinamese
37 Swazi
440 Swedish
74 Swiss
19 Syrian
15 Taiwanese
126 Tanzanian
242 Thai
3 Timorese
15 Tobagonian
9 Togolese
– Tongan
619 Trinidadian
2 Trukese
27 Tunisian
144 Turkish
2 Turkmen
1 Tuvaluan
424 Ugandan
105 Ukrainian
4 Uruguayan
16 Uzbekistani
23 Venezuelan
22 Vietnamese
13 Yemeni
30 Yugoslavian
511 Zambian
4,390 ZimbabweanAnother 127,790 are “Unknown”….
From Mars perhaps….- Engineer
December 30, 2014 at 3:23 pm -
From Mars perhaps – or maybe The People’s Republic of South Yorkshire? British West Hartlepool? Or even Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland?
- Moor Larkin
December 31, 2014 at 8:54 am -
One would have thought they would have been part of the 864,775 British number, but perhaps the NHS has enacted it’s own internal Devolution Process already to go along with it’s own Internal Market. The Postcode Lottery made official and everyone can be a winner! Well… Richard Desmond can be anyhow…
- Moor Larkin
- Engineer
- guthrie
December 30, 2014 at 9:34 pm -
Nurse training was ramped down a few years ago, IIRC to do with the cuts or some fantasy that we would require fewer of them. Meaning fewer training places hence fewer british nurses being trained. Hence the need for foreign ones to fill the gap.
- Moor Larkin
- windsock
- binao
December 30, 2014 at 1:51 pm -
Come off it Henry!
There’s a world of difference between pensioners using their capital & pensions to obtain a better life elsewhere and tourists vs. uncontrolled immigration into a mature society.
I think it extremely discourteous to even visit another country without learning something of the culture & language. Even so, the massive inflow of capital & income from UK expat pensioners must be beneficial to the host country, & health care is either by reciprocal arrangements or self funded. There’s a limit to what we can expect of tourists, who are in effect visiting by invitation, with the express purpose of being relieved of their money.
I have by the way lived & worked in various countries, and have always regarded myself as a guest with obligations that brings. And I’ve had the conversation with the locals in the only bar in the French village, too. Less of a problem when they know you’re a visitor & can manage some French. Some of the Brits are disrespectful.
What has been arranged without consultation for Britain is entirely different, and unlikely to be beneficial, particularly for the poorest who are effectively having to compete against the young & energetic migrants who have the drive & courage to emigrate.
Just a view, & I am prejudiced.- Henry the Horse
December 30, 2014 at 7:44 pm -
You want to have it all one way and that is pretty typical of the muddleheadedness when people talk about immigration. Brits going to Spain is good and Poles coming to Britain is bad. I am not so sure every Spanish person who has been priced out of a home by our expats would agree their influx of capital is a good thing. Neither are many Spanish exactly happy with your huge ‘by invitation’ ghettoes full of 9% of people who haven’t got beyond ‘Gracias’. For you British people going to Spain is fine but when your reciprocal health arrangements (which you then go on to complain the British weren’t consulted about!) means Polish migrant workers going to a hospital in the UK it is bad. Immigrant workers do a lot of work, such as fruit picking, cleaning and catering, that is so badly paid a British person couldn’t make a life on it (i.e. rent a flat and have a family) or jobs which the available British population can’t or won’t be trained to, like healthcare. Life in Britain as we know it just wouldn’t function without immigrants. The Spanish haven’t learnt to put up with the Brits for what they bring to their country and I think it is about time we grew up and stopped whinging beacuse everyone we meet in a day wasn’t born in the same parish.
- binao
December 30, 2014 at 9:52 pm -
Thank you for your response Henry, but I did say I’m prejudiced.
I don’t for one moment suggest that the tourist business or the migration of foreign pensioners doesn’t destabilise local communities in the host country, but that’s a matter for that country. The two million or so alleged oversupply of homes in Spain didn’t happen on it’s own, and the package tourists didn’t build Benidorm. I lived & worked in Spain in manufacturing for a while back in the ’90s. On a couple of visits a few years ago I was shocked at the changes, the massive housing developments and the displacement of local working people by er, migrants, not Brits, by the way.
The presence of unwelcome numbers of Brit migrants & tourists is surely similarly a symptom, not a cause.
This issue is not about migrant labour coming to pull turnips, it is about the consequences of massive population movements on a scale not seen since the East/West carving up of Europe in the post war years.
I’m well aware of the present dream and can well understand the attraction.
I’m just not a believer.- Henry the Horse
January 1, 2015 at 8:31 pm -
The movement of people has always gone on as long as we have had a modern industrial society. A hundred years ago the English were bellyaching about all the Irish coming over and stealing the jobs and changing the character of areas and the Welsh were complaining about the influx of English into the Valleys. After the Second World War there were huge movements of Italians, Poles and others. There are always dire warnings and the fearmongers at work but everything settles out in the end. There will be winners and losers and perhaps the problem now is that the working class has lost their previous champions in the Unions and Labour and are less well placed than in the fifties and sixties. But the problem is not the immigrants per se. Immigration has become a huge smokescreen and many people talk about the issue without any real sense of their own economic stake in the matter. I recently was chatting to a Ukipper retired plumber with three buy-to-lets full of eastern Europeans. He didn’t even realise he was doing very well financially out of immigration. Similarly you could ask if the population as a whole are prepared to pay the higher prices for vegetables, food and restuarants that would be necessary if we didn’t have these migrants. We just can’t afford not to have them.
- Henry the Horse
- binao
- Henry the Horse
- Moor Larkin
- Engineer
December 30, 2014 at 3:17 pm -
If you want to go looking for self-serving no-marks like Mandelson, you’ll find them in almost any age of politics. Identifying the politicians and Civil Servants who are actually doing a pretty good job is harder, though I contend that there are many. Our public finances are improving slowly, though there’s still a long way to go, and Osborne, Alexander and the rest of the Treasury team deserve credit for that. So do a lot of un-named Treasury civil servants.
If there’s one area of the ‘establishment’ that needs a really good pruning, it’s the non-elected bit. The Quangos that wield immense power, but are accountable to nobody. The Environment Agency allowed a situation to develop in the Somerset Levels last year that local people had been railing against for years, without any positive effect. When their worst fears came to pass and severe flooding happened, the relevant elected Minister did exactly what elected MPs should do, and represented the interests of local people (arguably rather late, but at least the Minister did act). For his pains, he lost his job in the next reshuffle. The Environment Agency carries on regardless (albeit now it’s activities are a bit better scrutinised by Somerset locals).
That’s the wrong way round. Ministers shouldn’t lose their jobs for doing their duty. Unelected quangocrats should lose theirs for failing the people they’re supposed to serve.
- Cloudberry
December 30, 2014 at 10:17 pm -
Calling the local Chinese chinks is no more bigoted than calling the Sassenachs white settlers.
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