Duncroft – the Finale. Part One.
One minute I had so many plates spinning in the air I didn’t know which way to turn and began to doubt my ability to keep them all airborne – and the next? Why, if they didn’t all magically float down to land softly, right side up on the table, looking for all the world like the most professionally laid table for the ultimate Christmas feast…
God moves in mysterious ways. With so many ‘plates’, this will be in three parts.
Through all the wild claims of murdered children being hurled from the back of Ted Heath’s yacht, and the political chicanery which has threaded its way through the ‘Battle of the Narcissists’ as the question of historic sex abuse has become, I have never lost sight of the fact that it was the ‘Duncroft claims’ which formed the shaky bedrock on which the entire shebang rested. If they were’t solid fact then what price the houses of ‘Exposure’ or ‘Yewtree’ which rested on them?
I wrestled with my conscience back in the early days after Savile’s death when the first rumours emerged of the BBC being complicit in a cover-up of Savile’s alleged crimes – long before Mark Williams-Thomas’ glittering celebrity career as Child Protection Investigator Extraordinaire was even a glint in his shifty squint, never mind anyone else’s. I knew Meirion Jones, the journalist behind that original un-transmitted ‘Newsnight’ production, to be the runny-nosed young nephew of our head-mistress, Ms Jones, that we had found paper tissues for and entertained in the senior common room with our precious copy of ‘It’s a Hard Days Night’ whilst his mother visited her sister-in-law, with whom his grand-mother lived.
Later, stories were sold to the main stream media concerning the girl who had spent a considerable time sitting up in bed opposite me in Meirion’s aunt’s school – she was now claiming that Jimmy Savile had been running round our dormitory sexually abusing us and that ‘we were terrified’ – I had never heard so much nonsense. Another girl was all over social media saying that ‘Maggie Jones’, as she had the temerity to call her, had been ‘pimping the girls out to celebrities’. I literally couldn’t believe my ears.
This blog has thousands of readers every day – I have no idea who most of you are. You log on in Australia and Thailand, Angola and Ethiopia, in the early hours of the morning – and I marvel at how you ever came to hear of Anna Raccoon. Stories I have written have resulted in the son, that no one knew existed, of Mr Gs best friend coming forward – now happily reunited with his deceased Father’s diving watch. Readers were monumentally helpful in tracking down the still alive if not kicking ‘murder victim’ that Graham Mitchell was incarcerated in Wandsworth jail on a European Arrest warrant over – now freed. You saw off the despicable attempt to bankrupt Sheila Martin; you so effectively publicised the predicament of Stephen Neary, that the ‘secret’ Court of Protection dumped 600 years of protocol and allowed the media in to hear how he had been illegally detained – I could go on, and on – suffice it to say that I am very aware of the power of all you silent readers to publicise what I say far and wide. You talk amongst yourselves, you send links onto Facebook and Twitter, you discuss every word in forums.
That became a terrifying prospect in terms of coming forward to say why I knew that some of what was at that time a fairly low key news story concerning whether the BBC’s Peter Rippon was right or not to refuse to run an item on a serious news programme, that he had insufficient faith in, was quite simply – untrue. My past had been buried for 50 years, long forgotten. I knew that I was running the risk that someone in Outer Botswana or Inner Mongolia would remember me and come forward to correct the most minor detail, or reveal any salacious detail they thought I might have left out. It had to be ruthlessly accurate and coruscatingly honest.
Having ‘taken all my clothes off’ in public, I was quickly rewarded with, as I had suspected, a raft of supportive ‘ex-Duncroft girls’ who had been googling these mysterious stories, and who had landed on my site. I shall always be grateful to them – they have kept my spirits high as the story grew legs by the day, and I was in danger of disappearing under a tsunami of vitriol and recrimination – how could I, how dare I, why would I, throw a spanner in the wheels of this story careering through Fleet Street? Jimmy Savile was the greatest sexual predator mankind had ever known, every one of these totally honest and ‘brave women’, and boys, and cadavers, and probably goats as well, was telling the absolute truth, and anyone who said otherwise was an MI5 agent, a paedophile supporter, a disinformation agent, a government plant – Good Grief, you should have seen my inbox at times!
Blimey! Had I said I had been raped by Savile and 73 members of the Metropolitan Police to say nothing of Prince Philip and a few other Princes for good measure, in the middle of a Buckingham Palace garden party, I would have been lionised by the main stream media, supported by 53 different charities and hailed as a hero by the blogosphere. Pointing out that unlike the rest of the excitable commentariat in the blogosphere, I was actually physically present when the earliest published claims were alleged to have occurred and that somehow I had failed to notice a peroxided disc jockey careering round our bedroom of six girls, raping everyone else but mysteriously leaving me so untouched by the event that I had never even set eyes on the man – turned me into public enemy number one.
Contrary to popular opinion in the Blogosphere, I don’t ‘believe that Savile is innocent’ of everything he has been accused of. Nor do I believe that he is guilty of everything he has been accused of. I find the claim that he kissed a teenage choir girl as she got off a bus totally believable. Yes, I accept that inserting your tongue in a girl’s mouth who is under the age of 16 does constitute a sexual offence – and we had better build three million prisons if we are going to incarcerate everyone who has ever done that.
What I most emphatically don’t believe, and have never believed, is that the sturdy matrons who constituted the female staff at Duncroft had turned in a sparse few years into the sort of sleazy women who would be party to acting as pimps for any celebrity, nor would they ‘turn a blind eye’ to complaints that girls had been abused. They were too rooted in their earnest characters for that to be in any way believable.
As a result of my early posts on the subject, I have been back in regular contact with Ms Jones and party to her anxieties as she was pilloried in the media as a ‘heartless headmistress’, and endlessly and exhaustively interviewed by police – at the grand old age of 91 – who had been fed stories of how she ‘was a drunk’ (do me a favour!), whose head ‘was turned’ by celebrity – alongside several other grotesque and outlandish allegations, by her nephew, Meirion Jones. I can’t imagine anything more distressing at that age than to be so brutally and publicly attacked by a member of your family, merely ‘in search of a story that any journalist would want’.
I also found myself in contact with Amanda, Jimmy Savile’s niece, who had woken one morning to find the front page of the Sun contained a picture of her mother’s gravestone, gloatingly smashed, simply because her brother, Jimmy had been buried alongside her. I have wondered at the agonies that Samantha, another great niece, had gone through when she came forward to me to tell the truth about her Mother Caroline’s untrue claims that Savile had abused her at a tender age. So many families were being ripped apart mercilessly as people felt honour bound to tell the truth about the outlandish claims being aired daily on television and in the papers – even when it meant denouncing members of their own family.
Finally, ‘Susan’ stepped out of the shadows. A woman so honest, and of such integrity, that I humbly salute her. She allowed me to host her version of ‘taking her clothes off in public’ – she really did know the entire ‘Savile at Duncroft’ story which was far removed from the media version, by now buried in a welter of even more unbelievable stories. What is more, she was able to back up her version with documentary evidence. Evidence, incidentally, that she and I had to fight to get heard at the Dame Janet Smith inquiry – because the Metropolitan Police, by now in charge of ‘Operation Yewtree’, didn’t want Dame Janet to hear.
Whilst all this has been going – Gosh is it really three years now since Savile died? – the appropriately named Detective Superintendent Jon Savell has been carrying out an inquiry into an inquiry into the original inquiry of the ‘Duncroft allegations’ – dutifully minutely inspecting the foundation stones of the entire ‘Savile saga’. He has interviewed over 100 old Duncroft girls. He has taken a three day video statement of ‘Susan’s’ evidence. He has interviewed all those Duncroft staff still alive. He has cross-checked every scrap of information with the Barnardo’s records, social workers records, court records, hospital records, death records, birth records – you name it, he’s checked it, to see who is telling the truth and who is patently lying.
In short, he has been everywhere that the excitable blogosphere commentariat who are so ‘sure the girl’s are telling the truth’, to say nothing of the self appointed ‘child protection experts’ cannot go. What he ended up with – he sent to the CPS, that body that is quite prepared to prosecute Dave Lee Travis, to take but one example, a second time, based on the word of a comedienne who had used her allegations as the butt of jokes for years, in their desire to justify the travisty that is ‘Yewtree’ – motto ‘no allegation too far fetched or unbelievable for us to attempt to prosecute’.
Guess what! There are allegations too far fetched or unbelievable – even for the CPS.
Now had ‘Susan’ – whose honesty has been tested time and again, and never found wanting, not e-mailed me yesterday to say she was overjoyed and relieved to have received a version of the letter which is circulating on the Internet this morning from DS Jon Savell, individually addressed to each of the girls that he had interviewed, painstakingly explaining the steps he had taken to attempt – and fail – to verify the allegations originally made by a girl who claimed to have ‘witnessed’ abuse by Savile taking place at Duncroft, then I wouldn’t have been running this story.
For, you see, there is one very interesting fact buried in the individually addressed three pages of prose from DS Jon Savell. It says quite clearly that the CPS have not ‘decided that you have given a false account of what you SAW happening at Duncroft’.
There is only one person who claimed to have ‘seen‘ rather than ‘been the subject of’ abuse by Savile at Duncroft.
That is the same person who was last seen holding aloft a forged letter on Surrey Police headed paper falsely explaining that Savile was not being prosecuted because he was ‘too old and infirm’….
I do believe that the letter telling the girls involved that the CPS cannot find sufficient to justify a prosecution of Duncroft staff is genuine – just as the CPS could not find sufficient to justify prosecuting Freddie Starr or Garry Glitter based on the vivid imagination of those original Duncroft ‘allegators’. I trust Susan’s judgement and honesty implicitly, she believes her version of the letter is genuine.
It’s just shall we say ‘unfortunate’ that the only physical evidence of the end of ‘Operation Outreach’ circulating on the Internet emanates from a source so fond of forgeries and so economical with the actualite….
There may even have been a grain of truth in the original Duncroft allegations; especially the ‘sister’ who was kissed at Luton, but sadly the mendacity, deviousness, to say nothing of the duplicate identities, attempts to impersonate staff, bullying of any who have attempted to speak the truth as they know it; myriad abusive blog sites and Twitter identifies; forged letters, untrue claims to have witnessed other celebrities abusing, untrue claims to have informed staff or witnessed staff ‘pimping girls out’ – all have long since discredited the value anyone can put on anything they have to say.
So, for me, this is the end of keeping the Duncroft plate spinning in the air – it is up to others now to figure out whether the tower block of claims and allegations that have been constructed on the Duncroft foundations have any truth in them – some of them may, many will not.
Thank God it’s over. I’m sick to death of it.
Part Two tomorrow!
Edited to add by Anna: Oh dear, oh dear – Just for good measure – the man who was actually at Elm Guest House all those years ago, Haroon Kasir, has just broken cover to pour cold water over the entire Elm Guest House conspiracy theory – never happened, no politicians, no nothing:
“There is no truth in these allegations whatsoever. It’s complete nonsense.
“Elm House was just a guest house. There were never any politicians or any parties. That is why there have never been any convictions on anything like that. There is nothing else to add.”
I doubt if the people who weren’t there but are quite sure they know what happened will take any notice of him – but what a turn up for the books!!!!
It’s turning into quite a day….
- IlovetheBBC
November 30, 2014 at 12:02 pm -
Every day more ‘revelations’ and ‘exclusives’ are published, the vast majority of them stories which have been reported and investigated decades ago, often on more than one occasion. It feels like the whole of British media are in thrall to David Icke and the most deranged and dodgy netizens.
You are one of the only voices talking sense, and from a position of knowledge. That’s why they hate you, and we lurve you!!
Does anyone have any sense where all this is headed, where it all might end? - Chris
November 30, 2014 at 12:24 pm -
Given how this “story every journalist would want” set the dominoes of abject insanity falling across this silly nation, your devotion to that most important of virtues, Truth, has been invaluable to us all over the past 2+ years I have been ‘on board’ (to say the least) and I for one am indebted to this blog and the contacts made through it.
How my weary head would be holding up at this point in time without the contacts I now have I couldn’t imagine.. - Alexander Baron
November 30, 2014 at 12:30 pm -
Is there any chance of publishing that forged letter, which I believe was unearthed by the Mail?
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 30, 2014 at 12:40 pm -
“You log on in Australia and Thailand, Angola and Ethiopia,” Norfolk actually, which is remoter still but without that nasty ‘sunshine’ stuff.
“Thank God it’s over”…..words which may yet come to have a mouthful of raccoon butt fur, I’m afraid. It ain’t over til til the dangerously obese person of a female gender is shamelessly exploited by Simon Cowell….
- Misa
November 30, 2014 at 1:21 pm -
Thank you, Anna, for so much.
You’re an inspiration - Carol42
November 30, 2014 at 1:34 pm -
You deserve a medal for what you have achieved with this blog Anna, I salute you. Stay well.
Carol - Frankie
November 30, 2014 at 1:55 pm -
‘…There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See’. att. John Heywood.
So, Anna you have done your best and personally I think that you may have enough going on in your home/personal life to worry about influencing any of the enquiry. Detective Superintendent John Savell has done his best, clearly – but it isn’t any good if those within the CPS have been ‘got at’ by the Establishment.
I would not advocate banging your head on a large and unyielding object, just smile to yourself, content in the knowledge that you know the truth.
Well done Anna.
- Jeff Wood
November 30, 2014 at 2:21 pm -
My parents are are around the age Miss Jones has reached. The thought of what has happened to her, also happening to them, horrifies me.
Anna, the next time you speak, tell her that at least one of your readers has complete sympathy for her – though I imagine there will be a hearty Amen from everyone else.
- Ho Hum
November 30, 2014 at 2:36 pm -
Amen.
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 30, 2014 at 3:27 pm -
” The thought of what has happened to her, also happening to them, horrifies me.”
I so wish that Miss Jones and her remaining staff could afford to/had the inclination to go all Economou on certain former pupils’ sorry, saggy, not-savile-abused behinds. Seems justice requires the sort of bank balances only the sons of Greek Shipping magnets have access to.
- Ho Hum
- Nick Langford
November 30, 2014 at 3:43 pm -
The comments on the Express article concerning Haroon Kasir are far more terrifying than any paedophile ring. It is as if merely saying a word were to summon the thing into existence.
- Amanda
November 30, 2014 at 3:57 pm -
Thank you for all your hard work. It is greatly appreciated by us all.
- Jonathan Mason
November 30, 2014 at 4:00 pm -
I am not very clear about this letter. Was the same letter with the same wording sent to both women who said they saw sexual abuse at Duncroft and those who said they saw no sexual abuse at Duncroft, or those who saw Savile at Duncroft, but believed his behaviour was always appropriate.
Let us also not forget that although “Susan” said Savile always behaved appropriately with her, she also related that she was on a bed with him at the point when she disclosed she was only 15 and he stopped whatever he was doing at that point, but in today’s judicial climate whatever he had done up to that point might have already constituted a crime. So is the police considering her account to be an accusation or an exoneration when they say they believe she is sincere?
I’m confused.
- Lucozade
December 1, 2014 at 5:34 pm -
Jonathan Mason,
As far as I know, if there had been no sexual intercourse, no force and no deception or trickery and she was over the age of 14 then no crime would have been committed in England until 2003.
- Lucozade
- Opus
November 30, 2014 at 4:04 pm -
When Anna was at Duncroft, no one in the country thought that kissing a fifteen year old girl (mutually of course) was a sexual offence. Was it?
The only time I saw Saville (at Bush House) no one was kissed.
- Jonathan Mason
November 30, 2014 at 4:21 pm -
Under the current legislation kissing a fifteen-year-old girl on the mouth, if penetration by the tongue was involved, might constitute rape. No, I don’t think it would have been regarded as such in the 1960’s, but the justice system has moved on, or regressed, depending on your point of view.
- Opus
November 30, 2014 at 5:03 pm -
I always thought that Rape was the insertion of a penis into a vagina without the consent of the woman, and that a woman had to be sixteen or over. Rape was a crime against female chastity not female whim.
- Bunny
November 30, 2014 at 6:41 pm -
Inserting the penis into the vagina, mouth or rectum constitutes rape, penetration of the vagina by the tongue constitutes a lesser offence, Sexual Offences Act, according to my criminal law text book.
- Opus
November 30, 2014 at 7:40 pm -
@Bunny
I am indebted to you for bringing me up to speed. Per rectum is of course Sodomy, but for obvious reasons, as that can no longer be regarded as a crime it is now to be lumped in with Rape. Nil-by-mouth strikes me as another add-on. Doubtless you will advise me that men can now also be raped. With respect to the legislators these amount to false allegations of Rape, (in part because one cannot become pregnant in the two ways you describe) and I am put in mind of that old saying that one might as well be hung for a sheep as for a lamb. What if one were to insert under the arm-pit (quite popular) or between the breasts or even per mano? – but I do not want to give the Home Office ideas
- Peter Raite
December 1, 2014 at 10:34 am -
I forget the exact wording, but under current legislation men can be raped by insertion by another of a object or body part into the victim. Naturally any suggestion that a woman somehow forcing or coercing a man to insert a body part of his into her would constitute rape of the man is not tolerated.
- Peter Raite
- Opus
- Bunny
- Opus
- Jonathan Mason
- Fat Steve
November 30, 2014 at 4:14 pm -
I don’t ‘believe that Savile is innocent’ of everything he has been accused of. Nor do I believe that he is guilty of everything he has been accused of.
THAT Anna Raccoon has been what your blog has been about…..that all important 20/20 vision of the Savile affair ……and the uses to which fabrication have been put and the obscuring of the truth….it would be nice to think that something genuinely positive might come out from it all but I wonder if all that might achieved is some limitation of damage to the true story ….no mean feat mind you when the mob is in full hue and cry whipped up by the media ….but perhaps positive good for those who were sceptical and had that scepticism confirmed…..and a salutary lesson that truly one should not believe everything that is put about in the media.- Peter Raite
December 1, 2014 at 10:37 am -
I always say that Savile was clearly a dirty old man in an era of dirty old men, and also tangentially a pop celebrity, and hence an undue source of attraction for young people so inclined. As one of the few people who has waded through almost all of the NHS hospital reports, I see little that is convincing beyond the level of lechery prevalent at the time.
- Peter Raite
- Joe Public
November 30, 2014 at 4:54 pm -
To paraphrase Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto’s quote “I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant (Raccoon) and fill (her) with a terrible resolve.”
BTW -“…. this story careering through Fleet Street” It was, in more ways than one!
- Duncan Disorderly
November 30, 2014 at 5:10 pm -
As the Express giveth, it also taketh away:
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541793/SNP-activist-killed-over-child-sex-filesThe stories linked at the bottom of that story make my head spin.
- Peter Raite
December 1, 2014 at 10:39 am -
I love the way “dossier” is now a fit description for a few pages of second-hand gossip and tittle-tattle.
- Peter Raite
- Bill Sticker
November 30, 2014 at 5:17 pm -
Anna; well done. You are to be saluted. When the lamestream have sought to publish naught but obfuscation and clickbait, we have had the antidote of your blogs clarity and honesty. Unlike others below mention and contempt.
Your integrity in this matter is sans pareil.
Regards
Bill
- JuliaM
November 30, 2014 at 8:07 pm -
Seconded!
- Cloudberry
December 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm -
Thirded! Thank goodness for Anna’s tenacity and desire to do the right thing.
- Cloudberry
- JuliaM
- Backwoodsman
November 30, 2014 at 6:00 pm -
Well played Anna ! Our champion of integrity and sanity.
- Cascadian
November 30, 2014 at 6:50 pm -
When I read……
“What is more, she was able to back up her version with documentary evidence. Evidence, incidentally, that she and I had to fight to get heard at the Dame Janet Smith inquiry – because the Metropolitan Police, by now in charge of ‘Operation Yewtree’, didn’t want Dame Janet to hear.”
I can only marvel at the time the landlady has so obviously spent to reveal a part of the truth related to the Saville saga. A very real public service deserving of great gratitude, of course not forgetting the brave ladies who attended Duncroft who were willing to contribute their time and thoughts to reveal the truth.
And what a sad day for British “journalism”, purveyors and supporters of tittle-tattle who caused this almighty expense and waste of time.
- ivan
November 30, 2014 at 7:08 pm -
The remaining thing to find is exactly who is pulling the strings of the gullible useful idiot puppets? This whole saga is too well orchestrated not to have a puppet master.
- Mudplugger
November 30, 2014 at 9:15 pm -
Perhaps as ‘Deep Throat’ advised at Watergate, “Follow the money”.
- Mudplugger
- Ian Hills
November 30, 2014 at 8:58 pm -
The realpolitik behind the attempts to frame white guys is an establishment desire to take our minds off endemic moslem grooming.
- sally stevens
November 30, 2014 at 11:29 pm -
I believe the letter from DI Savell was sent to all the women who had assisted in the investigation, not just two. There is one woman in particular who must be very upset by this – the wind is blowing and I hear the gnashing of teeth from afar, somewhere on the coast of Dorset. It also makes complete nonsense of the Bravery Awards or whatever that farce was.
I am very happy for Margaret Jones, Janet Theobald, Ruth Cole and Ms. Draycott, who are the only remaining staff I know of, and to have assisted in making sure that they were not held accountable, and to Mrs. O’Sullivan, Bridey Keenan, and Anne O’Neill, now gone, that they have also been found innocent of any wrongdoing.
- Matt
November 30, 2014 at 11:30 pm -
I am repulsed and ashamed by almost every aspect and facet of the country of my birth. I cannot see any hope that things will improve. On the contrary all I can see is further disintegration and insanity probably leading to civil unrest.. I have one grandchild–a wonderful little lad–and I can only deeply regret that he was born to live his life in our appalling future. The worst thing about our terrible state is that I see no evidence at all that our society will or can produce the people like Anna in sufficient numbers to save us. I’ll stop now before I get depressed. Thank you Anna.
- Moor Larkin
December 1, 2014 at 9:35 am -
* I find the claim that he kissed a teenage choir girl as she got off a bus totally believable. *
Indeed it would be. What makes it distinctly less believable is that the story has more than one face.
Newspaper Version
““I wrote to Jimmy Savile to tell him of the choir I was in. A few weeks later, on a Saturday, my mum said Jimmy Savile had been on the phone. He’d got my letter and had called to chat to me. When mum told him I wasn’t in, he said he’d call back. He then called again while I was out, and finally he called a third time and I spoke to him. The choir was going to perform at Stoke Mandeville and he said he would come and watch. “After the concert when everyone was getting on the coach to leave I ran up to him to let him know I was the one who had sent him the letter about the choir. Before I knew what had happened he’d stuck his tongue into my mouth; it didn’t seem to bother him that other people could have seen what he was doing. I was just so shocked. I pulled away and dashed onto the coach. I couldn’t believe what had happened. Looking back now I realise he had been grooming me at home and arranging to come and see me in the choir……..”CPS Version
Ms.E [Sarah] is now in her early fifties. She described her encounter with Jimmy Savile thus. As a teenager she was a member of the Girls’ Choir. On one occasion, when she was about fourteen, the choir had performed at Stoke Mandeville Hospital, and Jimmy Savile had been there. Just as the choir was getting onto the coach, Jimmy Savile was “acting the clown, shimmying up and down a flag post on the left-hand side of the hospital”. He called Ms.E [Sarah] over and said “give us a kiss goodbye”. She thought nothing of it and went over to him, expecting a kiss on the cheek; instead, he kissed her on the lips and put his tongue inside her mouth. Ms.E [Sarah] said she was shocked; she sprang away from him and got onto the coach. She didn’t know if anyone else saw, but she didn’t discuss it with anyone except her sister Ms.D because she was “mortified”.http://jimcannotfixthis.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/exposition-pt8.html
Somebody very wise once remarked to me that the truth is very boring. It’s story is always the same. I figured that’s why the truth is so unpopular nowadays.
- Mr Ecks
December 1, 2014 at 2:15 pm -
So many lies have been told about Jimmy Savile that I am inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Even in 2007 the paedo-paedo head of steam had been building (or had been being built by radfems and the rest of the cultural Marxist media) for 20+ years. So many false accusers on the job suggests to me the likelihood that it is ALL either brazen lies or confabulated fantasy. Look at the satanic panic. In the end , 20+ years after raking families across the coals, TPTB finally admitted that not only was there no “Satanism” there wasn’t even any abuse.
- Mr Ecks
- Bandini
December 1, 2014 at 11:56 am -
Very well done for sticking with this through some very difficult circumstances.
I have one suggestion, which I realise would probably involve far more work than might be imagined, and that is to present all this work in book-form.Two reasons – firstly, to offer a real, physical alternative to the tomes of tittle-tattle & secondly to “get in there first” and stake your claim on the truth before those who have already re-written their own history more than once get wind of this & decide to do so again: I’m thinking of those writers of glowing tributes who later remembered that they’d spent their whole life trying to ‘expose’ Savile…
(A less troublesome idea might be just to collect all these essays together & publish them together in electronic-format, Amazon Kindle, for example.)
P.S. Regarding Haroon Kasir/Elm, I think it only fair to mention that the police have ‘confirmed’ that Cyril Smith was a visitor there, which would blow Kasir’s claim out of the water. I’m not sure on what basis they made this confirmation, though, and once again a fruitless trek was made in search of answers: http://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2014/11/24/child-sex-abuse-will-the-police-finally-catch-the-perpetrators/#comment-15134
- Carl
December 1, 2014 at 12:20 pm -
Does anyone with a fully functioning brain believe what the police say on this matter anymore?
- Bandini
December 1, 2014 at 1:14 pm -
Carl, that’s exactly why I wanted to know the basis on which they made the confirmation.
It could have been physical evidence, it could have been on the say-so of someone in whose word I’d personally not place much faith.- IlovetheBBC
December 1, 2014 at 6:27 pm -
I read that Exaro piece as claiming the two ex policeman said Smith attended EGH, not that the current police investigation was confirming it. But it doesn’t matter, the internet believes it’s common knowledge anyway.
- IlovetheBBC
- Bandini
- Daisy Ray
December 1, 2014 at 1:17 pm -
I think Exaro were the first people to claim Smith’s presence had been confirmed and other media copied unquestioningly. No, Exaro have never explained how it was ‘confirmed’ and in any case their use of language is often idiosyncratic. They rarely make it clear whether information on police operations has come direct from a police source (not that that would necessarily make it reliable) or at second hand.
- Carl
- Cloudberry
December 1, 2014 at 12:18 pm -
runny-nosed young nephew of our head-mistress, Ms Jones, that we had found paper tissues for and entertained in the senior common room with our precious copy of ‘It’s a Hard Days Night’
Watch out for the exposé on the fiends of St Trinians making little boys cry with rolled-up magazines!“A good tv investigation takes a long time – Savile took nearly year . My current prog which is now in edit has taken a year”
https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/539362147751706624 - English Pensioner
December 1, 2014 at 12:18 pm -
I’m always suspicious of the number of “follow up” claims which seem to result from all these inquiries. One person comes forward years after an event and says some celeb raped/abused her and, lo and behold, others appear saying “yes, me too”, claiming that they’d been afraid to say anything before. My instinct says that many smell money and are hoping to be able to make a claim against some organisation for compensation.
To me there seems little point in the police continuing to investigate allegations about what Jimmy Savile may have done, the man’s dead, he can’t be punished, the only outstanding police issue is whether they ignored complaints. The only other investigations are those which should be made by the various organisations into how it was allowed to happen, if indeed it did happen, and to this end a huge amount of money seems to been spent without any tangible results, other than the inevitable “lessons will be learnt”.
The police also seem obsessed with these “historic” cases, perhaps they get more “brownie points” if they can bring someone like Cliff Richard to court rather than the “Asians” currently abusing our young children in many major towns. Lets give priority to dealing with today’s crime and what’s happening now. If this means that some old man now in his dotage “gets away with it”, so be it!- Rob J
December 1, 2014 at 3:24 pm -
These things are government, media and interest group led. I reckon the police are pig sick of it all and would much rather be getting on with proper policing.
- Moor Larkin
December 1, 2014 at 3:52 pm -
* To me there seems little point in the police continuing to investigate allegations about what Jimmy Savile may have done *
They never did investigate them. From the very beginning the Met website stated they would not investigate them because Savile was dead. They later went on to say that nevertheless he was formally guilty of several hundred offences. The entire farrago has been unadulterated propaganda and nonsense. The law establishment has taken the o out of cops and made themselves police, judge and executioner too. That the mass media has enabled this with their pandering editorials just shows how sick and entangled the various pillars of the UK establishment have become. They probably think it is “joined-up government”. It’s more like a fit-up.
- Peter Raite
December 2, 2014 at 9:47 am -
English Pensioner – except that those perpetrators clearly have gone to court, and are being send down in droves, whereas Mr Richard remains at liberty, and will probably never even be charged.
- Jonathan Mason
December 3, 2014 at 6:15 am -
English pensioner:
Yes, it does seem rather ridiculous that the South Yorkshire police, having taken their eyes off the ball in the case of the Doncaster belles were then found desperately seeking a pair of semen-stained underpants in Sir Cliff Richard’s Surrey home with the help of helicopters and infra red technoogy to prove that he groped some nutter at a Billy Graham rally decades earlier. Hello, hello, HELLO!
It is rather interesting to compare the Savile row (ouch!) with the Cosby carry-on in the US at the present time. In the latter case there may also be an element of bandwagon-jumping, but there are now numerous women, some of whom are well-known in their field, coming forward under their own names and making credible-sounding allegation about what was done to them by the comic, that certainly seem to have some common features, for example the use of drugs, spiked drinks, and usually forced oral sex or hand-jobs that, at least to me, do seem to indicate a common modus operandi, even if the details are very sketchy at this point.
Compare this to the hundreds of Savile complaints, about which in nearly all the cases nothing is known to the public, least of all the identity of the complaining women. The argument in the UK is that preserving the anonymity, as far as the media are concerned, of the women complaining is paramount, but no one seems to be making that argument in the US, and women do not seem to be deterred from coming forward, nor are they being vilified for doing so when they do come forward.
- Moor Larkin
December 3, 2014 at 7:02 am -
We had aspects of the Cosby thing in the early Savile period, with celebrity women rushing forward to say how they’d been touched up and “abused”. It might also be worth remembering what Jim Davidson (an old comedian here) has mentioned in his book.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-SJyzSI40Ol4/U-oGQKORSfI/AAAAAAAAFN4/QLdP3Cfmlp8/s1600/image002.jpg - Nick Langford
December 3, 2014 at 7:22 am -
Similar stories are not necessarily corroborative; it may simply mean that the police have released sufficient details of one allegation to enable copy-cats to make plausible false allegations themselves. Even large numbers of apparently similar allegations often prove no more than that too many details of the original story have been released. Police trawling operations don’t necessarily uncover more abuse; they simply encourage more story-telling – particularly when compensation is mentioned, and the police have sometimes worked closely with solicitors administering compensation.
Those who make false allegations are not necessarily mischievous; I have been appalled at times when even professional people – doctors, lawyers, child psychologists – have given false evidence to the courts when they imagine that they are protecting a child from abuse. Sometimes these stories seem to have a life of their own and become very difficult to terminate.
- Jonathan Mason
December 3, 2014 at 1:50 pm -
No I agree that similar stories might not be corroborative. All of these stories might be derivative from the narrative of Roman Polanski giving a pill to Samantha Geimer and then anally raping her, but the thing about the pills is the kind of thing that can be investigated to see if there is any corroborative evidence of Cosby obtaining and using drugs in pill form recreationally, and since the names of the accusing women are known it is easier to determine if they ever met Cosby and where and when.
With the alleged Savile rapes, 30 I think according to that report, we still don’t know what the alleged common modus operandi was and even whether there is any proof that the women ever met Savile and were alone with him.
Anyway I find the Cosby allegations pretty disturbing and the allegations certainly sound on the surface to be more convincing than the ones for which Rolf Harris is now imprisoned. Also notable is Cosby’s muted legal response as he does not seem to be suing for libel, or going on the offensive, which I would do if I had his wealth and it was all a pack of lies.
- Cloudberry
December 3, 2014 at 2:16 pm -
there are now numerous women… coming forward under their own names and making credible-sounding allegation about what was done to them by the comic, that certainly seem to have some common features…”
The allegations could have common features because they’re a variation on a theme. It’s astonishing that repeating something that is already public knowledge can make people think it must be true. People aren’t stupid. They know he has money, and has paid out before . Whether the accusers claims are true or not, they are already being praised for their bravery. It’s being asked “what do they have to gain?” Maybe the question should be “what do they have to lose?”
- Moor Larkin
December 3, 2014 at 2:40 pm -
I hadn’t really paid much attention to the Cosby story but noted that the high-profile 2005 allegations were made by Janice Dickinson – supposed “super-model” (ex). I would never have heard of her except she made a bit of a splash over here in a Celebrity in the Jungle ‘reality’ show. A bit of googling reveals it to have been 2007. She then tried the same trick on US TV but they didn’t take to the format. This commentary might be revealing of something:
Why does this particular franchise work in other places, but not for an American audience that seems so suited? “Perhaps it is that people in Britain have more of an appetite for watching celebrities being punished. We may believe that it’s fun to watch them eat bugs and bathe in mud for the sins of being famous and having all the perks in life. This could be less appealing to a US audience, who don’t derive joy from seeing famous people suffer”
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/tvandradioblog/2009/jun/03/im-a-celebrity-usReading that review, maybe Savilisation is the gift from UK society that is now giving to the USA… for a change… I read a piece the other day too, where American commentators were banging on about the hidden class war in the USA, which seems a sea-change in attitudes over there too.
- Cloudberry
December 3, 2014 at 3:14 pm -
It could spread anywhere through the Internet. The Twitter rumour mill and YouTube for inspiration. How else could this happen: seven months after one dead octogenarian British TV star was accused publicly on TV (the interview appearing instantaneously on YouTube) of inviting a 9-year-old girl onto his lap for a chat, who was wearing a skirt, sat with her legs astride his legs, felt him moving around underneath her, was groped by him, in a crowded room where other people didn’t notice and who fled to the toilet, another separate but live octogenarian TV star was accused publicly on TV (the interview appearing instantaneously on YouTube) of inviting a 14-year-old girl onto his lap for a chat, who was wearing a skirt, sat with her legs astride his legs [sic], felt him moving around underneath her, was groped by him, in a crowded room where other people didn’t notice and who fled to the toilet.
One was Jimmy Savile. The other was Rolf Harris. He had his name tweeted along with the words “Savile” and “sexual offences” (retweeted over 800 times) on the day the Leveson report was published and months before he was arrested or charged. He is now in jail, possibly for the rest of his life.
Bill Cosby is now being sued for damages: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30305435
- Jonathan Mason
December 3, 2014 at 6:16 pm -
Well, it is all very interesting at this point. I would like to see Cosby come out swinging to accuse his accusers of “pernicious lies” and yet I cheered when Stuart Hall did that very thing and was very sad when he ultimately retracted. Had I been Hall, I would have been carried down to the cells shouting: “Pernicious liars, every damn one of them. God Help the Queen.”
This woman who is suing Cosby is trying to force a loophole around the statutes of limitations by claiming she only recently became aware that what Cosby did not her was sexual abuse or rape. I suppose one line of defense he might want to use is that back in the day lots of young women used to do drugs with him and have free sex, but there was never any coercion involved, though one can see that from a public image point of view, he might not want to go there.
Tabloids are also rumoring that his wife is possibly suing for divorce after 50 years of marriage, although I suppose it could be a ruse to transfer a large amount of his wealth to her name and to his children before the circling vultures descend and feast on the corpse of his career
- IlovetheBBC
December 5, 2014 at 10:08 pm -
Why did his lawyers not make more of the grossly prejudicial atmosphere created by months – even years – of such orchestrated internet commentary?
- Jonathan Mason
- Jonathan Mason
December 3, 2014 at 6:27 pm -
Dickinson and Cosby were both attendees at a dinner in Lake Tahoe, Nev., and at one point were left alone. When the model complained of menstrual cramps, Cosby offered her a pill that she didn’t recall questioning. “I trusted Bill Cosby,” Dickinson said. “Because of his demeanor and the promise of a career, I trusted him.”
Especially since he played a doctor on TV, you would naturally trust him to give you a pill.
Dickinson recalled taking several Polaroid photos of Cosby wearing a robe (some of which have been released online). “I just remember shooting these pictures and having them on me the next morning when I woke up. The last thing I remembered — I had blacked out — [was] Cosby mounting me like the monster that he was. And I was thinking, ‘What the heck?’” Dickinson said.
Was the word really “heck”?
“I remember passing out, but I remember more specifically waking up and that he — there was a lot of pain downstairs,” Dickinson said, tearing up. “There was semen all over me and my pajama bottoms were off and the top was open. And at that point, fight or flight, I just packed up and got the hell out of there.”
Or alternatively she had a few drinks with Cosby, had sex with him upstairs, downstairs, and in my lady’s chamber, and then left in the morning feeling slightly the worse for wear. Presumably there would also have been a fair bit of blood sloshing around too, due to the menstrual cramps, but she didn’t mention that. Heck!
- Cloudberry
December 5, 2014 at 10:55 am -
The more talk there is about “aspiring actress” and “aspiring model”, the more I wonder what it actually means and why Bill Cosby’s bedroom would be the place to discuses career aspirations, as opposed to, say, the office of an acting or modelling agent.
- Cloudberry
- Cloudberry
- IlovetheBBC
December 5, 2014 at 10:16 pm -
Tend to agree. I can’t put my finger quite why I’ve found them more believable than some, but they definitely do make a convincing case that Cosby is a very screwed up person. Of course young women wanted to further their careers and took risks even when he had proved to have less than honourable intentions, but that doesn’t excuse drugging and rape. His response is so muted, it’s almost the (in)action of a man who knows the jig is up.
- Cloudberry
- Jonathan Mason
- Moor Larkin
- Rob J
- Carl
December 1, 2014 at 12:21 pm -
Congratulations Anna
- Lucozade
December 1, 2014 at 3:53 pm -
Just cos a story sounds vaguely plausible doesn’t mean it actually happened.
But it seems here all a story has to be is appear vaguely plausible (because it’s something that has probably happened a lot at different times to different people by different perpetrators) to be taken as *true*.
I’m glad there’s been a more thorough investigation into this as it was always possible with many of these accusations. Moor Larkin’s shown that and he doesn’t even have access to all the information the police will….
- Jim Bates
December 1, 2014 at 3:54 pm -
Well done Anna. Enjoy your rest from this fantasy epic.
Thank you for holding your own against the dark forces. You continue to be an inspiration to all, particularly those of us wading hip-deep in other cesspits of corruption.
I was once told, “Even if you are in a minority of one, the truth is STILL the truth.”Raccoon Rules!
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