Thoroughly Modern Millie.
I was in Amiens recently. Just a few days before the 100th anniversary of Armistice Day.
I thought I knew a fair bit about war time life – I had been brought up by a succession of single women who had made sure I knew why they were able to turn two turnips and a potato into a reasonably nutritious meal, and who treated every unpleasant task as a challenge to rise to rather than an unfair imposition that required extensive counselling and support by ‘experts’. They had instilled in me a mind set that would always look for ways to achieve something out of nothing, rather than search for excuses as to why it couldn’t be done. I admired them, did my paltry best to emulate them.
It would be fair to say that I considered men as ‘beasts of burden’; fit for heavy lifting, fighting – if they must; but ultimately an addition to any household that represented an additional figure to be cared for, fed, the tin bath to be filled for, more washing, more food to be searched out. Not a particularly positive view, I will grant you. The world of the 1960s was full of such women. Miss ‘This’ and Miss ‘That’ – getting on with their lives. Strong, confident, women.
I saw a new side to these women in Amiens. I had never heard of the forced repatriations after WW2; of how thousands of women and children trudged hundreds, nay thousands, of miles through devastated European countryside, searching food where they could, walking in the half light through forests where the fruit of the trees would reveal themselves to be the bloated, hanging bodies of alleged collaborators as old scores were settled in the aftermath of war. Where a lone woman had as much to fear from coming across a band of adrenaline-fuelled armed ‘victors’ as they did the ‘nowt-to-lose and dejected’ fleeing vanquished.
Many died on the journey; many were raped. They returned to give birth in desperate circumstances in the ruins of the cities they had returned to. They found food to feed their infants; they kept them safe if not strong. ‘Faminism’ rather than ‘Feminisim’. They made homes for themselves – and they became the grand-mothers of the present generation of Thoroughly Modern Millie’s.
The Miss ‘This’ and the Miss ‘That’ who featured in my life hadn’t known that exceptional hardship as experienced by many women on the continent – but they had suffered. Rationing was still a feature of life until I was old enough to remember the excitement of being given my first banana. Double digging the veg garden and turning the compost heap was considered a normal way for a nine year old girl to spend her Saturday – not trailing round Top Shop and topping up her mobile phone.
An Eeh, ‘cardboard box – you were lucky’ whine? Not at all, merely the background to how we viewed ‘Feminism’ when it appeared in the late 60s. Feminists, to us, were women in Boiler suits, with crew cut hair, and over large backsides; for some reason they preferred to wear the incredibly heavy ‘Doc Marten’ boots on their feet. We were a tad mystified – we couldn’t quite figure out why they were so keen to join that forlorn band of wimps known as ‘men’ – creatures that had to be cared for in addition to the children. The only men I knew had missing arms or legs, or something called ‘shell shock’ and spent their days fishing, or wandering the canal paths muttering to themselves – and we were instructed to give them a ‘wide berth’ – unless sent to lead them home to be fed yet again.
Coming back to England after seven years, I have been brought face to face with the fruits of 50 years of Feminism; empowering women. I have commented before, after my infrequent trips to Britain, of the sheer shock of seeing the size of the British race. Men waddle from side to side with huge pot bellies – but so do the women. You probably don’t notice it, seeing this transformation every day.
I went to a supermarket; ye Gods – they don’t even walk the aisles! I was being mown down by motorised trollies – fastened to the front of mobility scooters with fat bloated slugs cascading over the sides of the padded seats. I may have seen one such scooter in France in 7 years – but this was a solid wall of them.
The supermarket itself, a branch of Sainsbury’s, was different too. I did find fresh vegetables eventually, having walked past 20 yards or so of peeled, chopped, vacuum packed carrots and potatoes, all ‘ready to cook’ – and that was having ignored the ‘pre-cooked’ ‘ready to re-heat’ variety, and the ‘ready mashed potato’ – even ‘Smash’ is too much effort for these ladies it seems.
Snippets of conversation assailed my ears – I can’t help but listen to them; after years of struggling to translate every tenth word of the sotto voce French lilt, I am understandably fascinated by being able to earwig every sentence. By the tenth snippet of conversation, somewhere around the tinned custard – yeah, tinned custard, not even custard powder in tins; what do they do with eggs these days? – I realised that every snatch of conversation I had stored away followed a theme. They ranged from ‘not my fault izzit’? to an (at least ten times Tourette-ishly repetitive) ‘s’not right izzit’, via a lone ‘me social worker’. All delivered at an ear piercing blast with a liberal smattering of lip quivering ‘fffffffs’. Apparently I should have gone to Lidl’s…
After acquiring the ingredients for a sausage casserole (we only have a slow cook-pot by way of a kitchen at the moment) I went in search of a launderette. Mr G has been pulling down ceilings, apparently in the same set of clothes, for three weeks now, and we have no hot water yet – and it took me three approaches to find someone who spoke English to direct me; mind you, they were all normal sized people, I find the bloated motorised slugs a bit scary.
The launderette was an eye opener too. ‘No drugs or alcohol to be consumed on the premises’. Blimey! Still searching for the instructions on how to use the machines, I peered bleary eyed at the next notice. ‘Do not leave your washing unattended – Thieves around’ and another one for the obligatory ‘Rape Counselling Service’ – both provided by the local ‘Ruralshire’ Police Force. Nothing whatsoever about how to set the machines in operation! Eventually a lovely Polish lady who appeared to be doing the washing for an entire hotel came to my rescue, setting up the machine along with a lecture on where to buy the cheapest washing powder – Lidl’s again! Not a single English person in that launderette.
Returning home, I opened a copy of the Daily Mail, now a comforting 60p instead of €2.70 for half the paper, and simultaneously turned on the BBC news – both something of a treat for a returning ex-pat. There I learned that committing suicide before a court case is a sign of guilt in a male ‘predator’, but a ‘regrettable and avoidable’ tragedy where a ‘vulnerable female’ should have been in the dock; that a team of ‘counsellors’ has been sent into a school to help the pupils ‘cope’ with the fact that one of their number unfortunately died in a motor accident; that Dolphin Square, which was a block of council flats full of around 1,000 Westminster council employees; the local dustman et al – and a dozen MPs – in the 1960s and 1970s, when I lived there, had been transformed retrospectively into a ‘mansion block’ of ‘privileged VIPs’ who ‘preyed on the vulnerable’ by virtue of one claim by one individual that he had been raped there; that women – en masse – were held back from employment, preyed upon, in thrall to, denied by, enslaved by, those creatures I knew as ‘men’.
Whatever happened to the army of strong confident women that peopled this land before Feminism arrived to ’empower’ them?
‘Thoroughly Modern Millie’ has been transformed into a helpless slug, at the mercy of a million potential disasters; none of which she can cope with unaided. I’ve travelled 20 miles across the English Chanel – and I am truly in a foreign land, where the only apparently ‘normal women’ speak Polish.
If you are female, speak English, know how to peel a sprout without advance counselling and the ubiquitous ‘support’, and weigh less than 24 stone – please make yourself known in the comments. I urgently need the reassurance that you are ‘out there’ somewhere!
- Joe Public
November 18, 2014 at 9:20 am -
Anna, you forgot to mention that the oversize shoppers no longer simply push their supermarket trolleys. They support 90% of their body weight on them, progress two steps, catch their breath, and repeat.
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 9:21 am -
“I had never heard of the forced repatriations after WW2”
Neither had I, nor any English person I knew, until I met the Fräulein destined to become The Bestes Frau In The World. Her parents were both ethnically cleansed (oh did you think the Serbs invented that?) out of what was Prussia. Running from the Russians, being strafed by allied fighter planes, torpedo’d by allied ships (part of the journey was crossing whatever bit of water it was), hunted by the Nazi Field Polizei and Gestapo, starving and freezing, the Fräulein destined to become my late Mother In Law carried the body of her baby sister all the way to Northern Germany. No one knows how many millions were ‘forcibly repatriated’, but I’ve read estimates that some 2 million died on the way and countless thousands died in allied concentration camps (a great British invention btw). Someone once told me that the day British troops ‘liberated’ Hamburg over 9000 German women were raped.
Yet for all the history I learnt at school and in Battle Action comics, the war ended in 1945 and all was sunshine and light, no mention of what some refer to as the ‘2nd holocaust’. It is perhaps not unfair to claim that most of Europe’s current problems have their roots not in WW2 nor EU policies but in the Ethnic Cleansing of not only almost all the etnic Germans from the ‘Ost’ but many others too (the Russians forcibly moved whole populations).
- Furor Teutonicus
November 18, 2014 at 10:01 am -
xX torpedo’d by allied ships (part of the journey was crossing whatever bit of water it was XX
Operation Hannibal was the naval evacuation of German troops and civilians from Courland, East Prussia and the Polish Corridor as the Red Army advanced. Wilhelm Gustloff’s final voyage was to evacuate German refugees and military personnel as well as technicians who worked at advanced weapon bases in the Baltic[6] from Gdynia, then known to the Germans as Gotenhafen, to Kiel.
(B)ased on the latest estimates of passenger numbers and those known to be saved, the Wilhelm Gustloff remains the largest loss of life resulting from the sinking of one vessel in maritime history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Wilhelm_Gustloff
- Peter Raite
November 18, 2014 at 1:29 pm -
Absolutely dwarfed by overall Allied merchant losses to U-boats, of course.
- Robert the Biker
November 18, 2014 at 1:58 pm -
Yes, as I believe it was Noel Coward sang “Let’s not be beastly to the Hun”….
Sudeten Germans… chucked out by the newly communist Checks, several million, in revenge for their appropriation of a good chunk of Checkoslovakia.
French, Polish, Russian refugees running about all over, I wonder how much of a toss they gave about the Germans.
Rape? Gee, the terrible Tommies, all those Americans and Russians being models of decorum of course; I wonder how many people ran away from us and the septics to the welcoming arms of Ivan? Bloody few I would think. That’s the trouble with revisionist history, it exists to tell people how it was them who were really horrible instead of – to take a wholly random and hypothetical example – the people who built and filled dozens of REAL concentration camps and murdered about twelve million people. That would be six million for going ‘Oy Vey’ and six million more for being queer, religious, overly clever or just a bit too gobby.
BTW, if you want to see who started concentration camps, Google Kansas/Missouri border war, Andersonville, Jesse James etc.
Add in Blitzkreig, unrestricted submarine warfare, death camps and my sympathy for any German of the war years wears a bit thin.- Robert the Biker
November 18, 2014 at 2:10 pm -
Czechs!
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 2:46 pm -
My dad once told me about his days in ruined Germany in 1949. He said you could “get a woman” for a packet of cigarettes. He maintained however that in his troop nobody would have done so; they felt shattered by the plight these folk were in. He did say they had “girlfriends” when they attended a local dance or something and maybe a bit of kissing went on, but it nearly always ended with that and a gift of NAAFI tea or somesuch to the maiden rather than what would now be deemed inevitable.
I believed him. Part of the reason was that he told me that they were shown the most vile Sex Disease movies. One that had obviously stuck in his mind was evidently the one of the soldier with testicles like an elephant…. which back then wasn’t deemed a desirable Cosmetic Surgery ambition for any Tommy.
Another big reason I believed him was that he also said that the only man in his group who was insatiable was the sergeant. He was eventually discovered to be pursuing his libidinous ways by the Officer class and he was busted back to private (for inappropriate behaviour perhaps). Leslie Thomas’ memoir, “The Virgin Soldiers” (1970’s) suggests that things began to shift by the culture shock of Malaya.
- Joe Public
November 18, 2014 at 5:01 pm -
Ah ML! Thanks for reminding me of one of the funniest books I ever read during my formative years – “The Virgin Soldiers”.
That along with Puckoon & later on, Hitler – My Part in his Downfall.
- Joe Public
- windsock
November 18, 2014 at 8:02 pm -
Read about the concentration camps used in the Boer war?
- Robert the Biker
November 19, 2014 at 9:34 am -
Yes, revisionist history again, we were all so terrible while the Boers, who hated the blacks, were utterly splendid chaps.
As I said, we got the idea from the Yanks who depopulated the Missouri borders and shoved all the women and children into camps where a goodly number died of malnutrition and disease. This is one of the reasons Frank and Jesse James joined the Rebels, their mothers arm was blown off during a raid .
- Robert the Biker
- Robert the Biker
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 3:00 pm -
What has that got to do with the intentional torpedoing of thousands of refugees (“8,956 civilians of which an estimated 5,000 were children”) ? Seems very similar to the ‘remember coventry’ whines when anyone dares point out that the Dresden bombings were a crime against humanity.
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 3:01 pm -
My comment above was in reply to Peter’s “Absolutely dwarfed by overall Allied merchant losses to U-boats, of course.”
- Robert the Biker
November 18, 2014 at 3:09 pm -
I suppose it depends whether or not you had relatives in Coventry or the East End. We didn’t have war crimes back then, it was called ‘winning’ and anyways, wasn’t the bombing of Dresden at least in part to aid the Russian advance? Rightly or wrongly, war crimes are only what the losers do, hence Nuremberg and the tribunals.
I think part of it is because we eventually learned to out-blitzkreig the Germans and they discovered to their dismay that they hadn’t worked out any defence to their own tactics.- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 3:21 pm -
” Rightly or wrongly, war crimes are only what the losers do, hence Nuremberg and the tribunals.”
Exactly….and personally I think the allies were far too soft about meting out justice on those responsible for the atrocities of the Nazis. With your knowledge of history ,you’ll probably have heard of the “Persilschein”, that certificate handed out by the Allies to Germans to show that they had not been Nazis and that to be awarded one , the German in question simply had to produce a witness or two or even just seem ‘like a good chap for a hun’. I know there were good, real and pressing reasons for not going after every single Nazi or rather after every single ‘real’ Nazi BUT the village my wife comes from had (if I remember rightly) 70 jewish families before the Hitler era and none after….and a lot of very property-wealthy ‘native’ farmers.
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 3:28 pm -
On the other hand we’re witnessing the Puritan Ethic in Iraq, where the yanks removed all Baathists, and with them all those who seemed to understand how to run civics in that benighted place. It seems to me that the old guys had a better grasp of reality than the 21st century versions. Perhaps there were not so many lawyers nit-picking back then.
- Don Cox
November 18, 2014 at 7:45 pm -
The military core of the Islamic State is the remnants of Saddam’s army.
- Don Cox
- Robert the Biker
November 18, 2014 at 3:44 pm -
“Persilschein”
I love it! Because they were ‘whiter than white’ presumably.
Of course they won the war and then lost the peace didn’t they? In come the Russians and suddenly all the old Nazis and Gestapo shits are running the Gehlen Bureau and are in charge of West German Intelligence, I believe that some of the change was so quick that the agents didn’t even miss a pay check. Same with Japan, evil yellow bastards until the yanks needed a front base for Korea; suddenly it was all a huge misunderstanding. I bet those on the Batann death march or the civilians trapped in Singapore didn’t misunderstand the fuckers!
I can well believe about the houses in the village, Herr Meir whispers about that fellow in number twelve having been named Goldschmidt, suddenly Herr Meir is moving into a nice big empty house!
Man is the stupidest of all animals.- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 4:19 pm -
The village historian -a very learned and well meaning man in his way, once tried telling me that the Nazi’s had never had majority support in the village. Unfortunately the book of old photographs he published clearly showed the cheering flag waving villagers parading with the Nazis. Ooops! BTW few Germans IME like to be told this but Hitler was probably the first ‘pop idol’ of the 2oth Century, a ‘pop idol’ in the sense of damp German knickers. A while back they published some of the tons of fan mail he got from good German Hausfraus and Madels…even Tom Jones would have blushed.
- Robert the Biker
November 18, 2014 at 4:33 pm -
“the Nazi’s had never had majority support in the village”
These would be the people who suddenly woke up one morning to find they had mysteriously been on the wrong side all the time, ie., the one that lost!
Bit like being a good Trotsky supporter the day after he was denounced!
“Me? Trot who? Never heard of him! Comrade Stalin is just the best!” - Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 4:39 pm -
* Unfortunately the book of old photographs he published clearly showed the cheering flag waving villagers *
Happens in even the best-run countries.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2007/feb/15/labour.uk
Rumour has it that there was a nil return… - The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 6:52 pm -
““Me? Trot who? Never heard of him! Comrade Stalin is just the best!”
Along with ‘there weren’t no Werwolves in OUR village’ , a sentence that could be heard in our village pubs right up until the day they built the new bypass and unearthed a weapons cache of a size that most IRA soldiers would have envied-even 30 years down the line. Sometimes one facepalm just isn’t enough.
- Robert the Biker
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Robert the Biker
- Peter Raite
November 18, 2014 at 4:25 pm -
The MV Wilhelm Gustloff was a Kriegsmarine transport ship, armed, and bereft of Red Cross markings. I doubt the Soviet sunmarine crew had a clue about who was onboard, but would probably have more likely thought military personnel than civilains.
If you want to bitch about the number of civilians killed, let’ss also talk about the SS Athenia, the SS City of Benares, the SS Ceramic, etc., etc., etc.
We could also marvel at the irony of the sinking of the RMS Laconia.
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 6:41 pm -
“bereft of Red Cross markings”
Even if it had had , it would probably have made no difference to the Sub Captain. By then the Russians were well aware that the ‘SS’ (as Father In Law refers to all weapons grade Nazi’s in whatever branch of their then services) routinely painted Red Crosses on military vessels -and as he, Father In Law, was there at the time I dare say he’s right-despite what various historians might claim. I doubt we’ll ever know what caused the Sub Capt to issue the ‘fire’ command, to fire on what was clearly a cruise liner shape in his scope, having read up a bit on it this afternoon I’d guess his alcoholism played a role and it seems his superiors/Stalin felt the same way about it-judging by the propaganda they issued about it having been transporting Camp guards and their getting shot of him as soon as possible.
Like Grass said ‘not a war crime but a terrible crime of war’ or something like that.
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 8:05 pm -
Like the man said.
War! Good God. What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing.
- Moor Larkin
- The Blocked Dwarf
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Robert the Biker
- Peter Raite
- Furor Teutonicus
- GildasTheMonk
November 18, 2014 at 9:21 am -
Vintage stuff.
Mind you, I can vouch for the efficacy and delights of a slow cooker. Mine (I have 2) are deployed as soon as there is a glimpse of autumn. Simple, homely fare, but non the worse for that. Once again, the legacy of a wartime generation.- Junican
November 18, 2014 at 9:13 pm -
I’m using one in my tobacco curing box as a constant source of low level heat. Very versatile machines!
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 19, 2014 at 1:00 am -
Unless one tries cooking baccy in it without enough water ….I killed mine last year and haven’t trusted myself to replace it cos I know I would just HAVE to repeat the mistake to check it was a mistake the first time round- COD compels (COD= OCD sorted into CORRECT alphabetical order!).
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 19, 2014 at 1:14 am -
DUH! CDO…Hell I said I was OCD, didn’t say I was literate.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Junican
- GoodnightVienna
November 18, 2014 at 9:35 am -
Another fantastic read, for which I thank you. I’m holding up my hand in response to your final paragraph
- Ed P
November 18, 2014 at 9:40 am -
BMS should become widely (pun) used – it’s a fab moniker for the trolley slugs!
- Fat Steve
November 18, 2014 at 10:01 am -
Well Anna I would say meet my wife….with a double doctorate, fluent in four languages, a pianist good enough to have given concerts ….and by gosh (and most importantly to me) a cracking blond…..but…..but….but …..no sorry she is not British by birth which probably rather proves your point. I have to say I found most English women of my generation a little too self centred,self regarding, and controlling (which I always put down to a certain understandable ? lack of confidence in themselves and the nature of life) to be much fun and I suppose all that has happened is that ‘they’ are just older and the traits I may have identified correctly have simply morphed into what you describe.
Ho! Ho! Ho! Welcome back to ? Blighty? Merrie Old England? The Home of Democracy? Naaaahhh Cool Britannia !!!!! - windsock
November 18, 2014 at 10:04 am -
Well, I nominate my sister in response to your last paragraph, and my niece, Kentish women who take no bull and are strong characters.
I’d like to put forward an, admittedly, weak defence of “feminism”. Wasn’t it simply a demand for recognition of the strengths which you write about in your first few paragraphs? Women were always portrayed in media as the “weaker”/”fairer” sex. They were never acknowledged to be the hardworking women who raised families alone during the war and who were underpaid for doing the same jobs as men when they were encouraged into the factories.
And I’d suggest that a lot of that was because those strong women were largely working class, so both a “sexist” and “class” ignorance of them prevailed. But then again, that’s only my opinion (I grew up with very strong working class women around me).
As for mobility scooters – very few where I live, but a friend went to Benidorm last year for a holiday and said the number of British ex-pats using them there was truly mind-boggling. The sight was almost a tourist attraction.
- Rossa
November 18, 2014 at 10:04 am -
I too can peel a sprout without having a meltdown. Can also cook them without the need for a high vis jacket, face mask and protective gloves and steel capped toe boots! Welcome back to Blighty….or should that be Blighted! Though the Blight is not as well spread as you might fear. There are still pockets of resistance, especially to the Feminazi Blight!
- Juliet46
November 18, 2014 at 10:16 am -
I’m here too – roast pork with all the trimmings for Sunday Dinner, but I must have done something wrong with the sprouts – they tasted good!
- Mudplugger
November 18, 2014 at 12:11 pm -
You obviously don’t know that, for Sunday Dinner, you’re supposed to start boiling the sprouts on Thursday.
- Mudplugger
- Ms Mildred
November 18, 2014 at 10:22 am -
I think I am one of these females..I think. I worked 40 years in NHS in caring all my life, now disparaged and put down by feminists. My husband told a roomful of visitors yesterday I am ‘his carer’. On TV last night a lovely black lady mentioned teaching and nursing as not for her. Only if you shatter the glass ceiling are you a real goer now. I think I need counselling…I’m so upset. Down in the gutter of feminism are the tattooed, thonged, drunken throng. Preloading calorie laden shots and alcopops with gusto and on their way to type 2 in their thirties and ‘in the slob chair’ in their forties. In the middle are the politically correct movers and shakers. Perhaps hoping to be the next, not like Thatcher, but someone better than her at bossing plebs about. Perhaps the Cabinet too. My slow cooker has been on this autumn, both of them, to cater for visitors. I prepare salads myself, after a bit of exercise to go to the Sainsbury Local. I boil the potatoes and steam the veggies and serve up the breaded fish, heated in the fan oven. Anna, that is truly seeing ourselves as others see us. I wish you well.
- JuliaM
November 18, 2014 at 10:26 am -
Present & correct!
- Ex-Pat Alfie
November 18, 2014 at 10:34 am -
Thank you Anna.
Iwas contemplating returning for Christmas but I fear “Homesick”will assume a whole new meaning.
I am staying put.- nisakiman
November 18, 2014 at 5:17 pm -
I have to admit that the main thing I took away from this post was that Anna has, for some inexplicable reason, moved back to the UK. My latest bout of expatism has lasted 13 years thus far, and on the rare occasions I have to go to UK, I am loudly reminded why I am an expat. I just cannot imagine ever living there again. Ever.
A nation of jobsworths, whiners and tinpot enforcers of petty and illiberal laws. I can’t get out of the place fast enough. I like the normal, everyday stuff that I can do here, like being able to enjoy a cigarette with my beer while sitting at the bar.
Being treated like a pariah because I enjoy smoking really does nothing for me.
Oh, and there’s very little by way of ‘ready-to-go’ food on the supermarket shelves here. And as one of those folorn wimps called ‘men’, even I can make a full roast meal with all the trimmings (in fact I did one this Sunday), and I even make my own onion gravy from scratch. None of yer Bisto in this house!
By the way, Anna, if you were morbidly fascinated by the Sainsbury Set, you should try Googling “People of Walmart”. It’s a bit like finding yourself viewing a sort of bizarre parallel universe, where reality has been suspended for the duration…
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 7:08 pm -
“Anna has, for some inexplicable reason, moved back to the UK.”
I said (email) something similar to her, but it seems the Landlady pines for understaffed, overbed’ed, dirty hospitals staffed by people who speak even less English than her French taxi driver, for wards so dirty they would carry a health hazard warning in any civilised nation, for a land where ’50 shades of grey’ refers to both the weather and the cuisine.
One of the old time Romans wrote that this island was only inhabitable for 6 weeks a year…and should I ever win the Euromillions I shall take his sage advice. You can buy me a coffee outside your local taverna.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- nisakiman
- Alexander Baron
November 18, 2014 at 10:58 am -
Quite brilliant. Vicarious liability and “anti-discrimination” claims are another racket.
- ivan
November 18, 2014 at 11:03 am -
Since I have not been back in just over 20 years, I think I will stay where I am because If I returned I am sure I would upset everyone I saw.
BTW, did you find any fresh unpacked and processed veg? My sister says most supermarkets don’t have such items any more.
- Peter Raite
November 18, 2014 at 1:40 pm -
It is still there, albeit it increasingly hidden amongst the “ready to cook” specimens mentioned by the landlady. Mrs Raite – a fine Kentish Maid to counterpoint my only marginally reconstructed Yorkshireman – resolutely continues to seek out the unpeeled carrots, because peeling them, and the spuds, is my job of a Sunday….
- Don Cox
November 18, 2014 at 3:30 pm -
You shouldn’t peel potatoes. Most of the goodness is in the peel. Nowadays, they are well washed before you buy them, too.
Just cut them into chunks and steam them. I like to fry them in olive oil after streaming, but that is a matter of taste.
- Peter Raite
November 18, 2014 at 4:29 pm -
Oh, they only get peeled for roasties and mash. Instead of chips she does lovely skin-on wedges, and is now attuned to my liking for jackets with the skin baked so hard that it’ll crack like an egg if it falls of the table!
- Peter Raite
- Don Cox
- Cascadian
November 18, 2014 at 5:53 pm -
This is not a new innovation, I have not been to yUK since my father died in 1998. At that time while assisting my mother on a shopping foray I was amazed to see a prepackaged, cardboard box, film wrapped hot dog! Something even the most slothful and uneducated north American could manage to devise.It seems things have not improved in the intervening years.
Like you I have recently considered one last visit, but I absolutely refuse to fly into yUK and pay camorons luxury tax for daring to fly, and see little joy in the expense of over-priced, poor lodgings and food. The landlady has once again done a great service.
- Cascadian
November 18, 2014 at 5:59 pm -
Sigh.
Something even the most slothful and uneducated north American could manage to devise from the base ingredients-one bun, one bbq-roasted weiner, relish to suit-voila. Where ‘s the beer? Why, even men can do it.
- Cascadian
- Peter Raite
- Don Cox
November 18, 2014 at 11:15 am -
The book “Aftermath” by Francesca M. Wilson is essential reading, if you can find a copy. It is a Penguin Special from 1947.
She was involved in helping refugees after WW II and gives a clear account of the terrible problems.
Also to be read is “A Woman in Berlin”. This one has been reprinted.
- Don Cox
November 18, 2014 at 11:18 am -
“BTW, did you find any fresh unpacked and processed veg? My sister says most supermarkets don’t have such items any more.”
They certainly do around here (Middlesbrough). And there are greengrocers’ shops and butchers. (But no fish shops).
- JonT
November 18, 2014 at 4:52 pm -
Don
If you ever get over to Stockton on Tees there is a wet fish shop in the Castlegate Centre. It’s not very well stocked and to get to it you will run the risk of being run over by the many mobility scooters. You might be better off in Morrision’s but I don’t trust their fish counters – they always smell iffy and goodfish stall/shop shouldn’t.
Cheers
JonT
- JonT
- m
November 18, 2014 at 11:33 am -
Silly question – does anyone have a link to the two cases of suicide? Would like to look at further, but, no names mentioned.
- clairethinker
November 18, 2014 at 11:43 am -
I certainly am female, live in England and speak English, and I don’t recognize your picture of England then or now.
Yes there were a lot of post-war spinsters because so many men were killed in the two World Wars, but they did not, on the whole, have any contemptuous view of men. They may have regarded marriage and childcare as dubious blessings, but they respected men and indeed treated them with awe. All around them they could see men who were certainly NOT just like children. Men who were responsible fathers of families, working full-time and overtime to support wives and children. They were sober, faithful, devoted, dutiful men who didn’t do the housework, okay, but they did spend their weekends going around department stores and warehouses with their wives and children choosing furniture, carpets, curtains, appliances, children’s shoes, and lawnmowers.
Millions went down mines or worked in docks, or manned nighttime fishing trawlers, and in return for that they expected their wife to make the bed and run the washing machine. Also to change the babies’ nappies for a few years while young.
Then along came permissiveness, and men retreated from responsibility. Women had no choice but to find a different role – hence feminism.
I have never seen the fat, lazy slobs you describe in supermarkets or anywhere else. The shops I go to are full of healthy normal people who walk or cycle home. Some still have allotments and in fact they are getting more popular now with the prolonged recession.
It is probably true that the result of permissiveness is that both men and women have got an insensitive attitude to sex and love, and respect each other less.- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 12:53 pm -
“I have never seen the fat, lazy slobs you describe in supermarkets or anywhere else.”
You must not live where I do then (Norfolk). I swear that the sight of Mother and daughter each riding their own mobility scooter, fat overflowing from the top of their sweat pants, blocking aisles and pavements is common. Thank God for Tesco Online…just for allowing me to avoid the ‘pimped’ (I kid you not) cripple carts.
- Robert the Biker
November 18, 2014 at 2:16 pm -
Now I confess to not having been to Norfolk for about fifteen years, but I don’t recall anything like this back then. Is this a recent thing or was I just fortunate? Was driving a large lorry so tended to be around the working types
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 2:34 pm -
Geography may indeed be relevant. Norfolk I have read is flat. An eleckky scooter in Hovis-Land would not be about as much use as a chocolate teapot in Yorkshyre…. http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02228/PD33411017_SPORT-P_2228824a.jpg
- The Blocked Dwarf
November 18, 2014 at 3:05 pm -
” An eleckky scooter in Hovis-Land would not be about as much use as a chocolate teapot in Yorkshyre”
I think you’ve solved the puzzle! That *must* be the reason.
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 3:30 pm -
Got myself in a grammatical “not” though, reading it again…
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
November 18, 2014 at 3:06 pm -
Bridlington is very popular with the scooterists, having a long esplanade where they can really open the throttle.
- Mudplugger
November 18, 2014 at 3:59 pm -
Check out both Morecambe and Cleethorpes too – both have long and flat promenades, largely empty, save for the massed ranks of the Cripple-Cart Grand Prix.
Both resorts have shops on the sea-front where you can rent the carts by the hour, so we can all join in the fun for just a few of those ‘Betty’s Benefit Beer-Vouchers’. It’s exercise, Jim, but not as we know it. - Peter Raite
November 18, 2014 at 4:31 pm -
True. Both sides of my family originally come from Brid, and although only distant relatives remain, on vists back the high quotient of wheeled visitors and presumably also residents is very much apparent!
- Mudplugger
- The Blocked Dwarf
- wiggia
November 18, 2014 at 5:44 pm -
Robert I replied to a similar post a couple of years ago whilst living in Suffolk, the first visit to Haverhill (known as Haverhole) Sainsburys was a revelation , it still is the only supermarket that I have been to that should have a one way system installed, large…………………………
- Moor Larkin
- Robert the Biker
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 12:06 pm -
* Then along came permissiveness, and men retreated from responsibility. Women had no choice but to find a different role – hence feminism. *
Permissiveness was created by Feminism. Woman wanted control of their lives and their bodies. Women spent their whole lives beholden to men – first their father and then their husband. I wouldn’t disagree with much else you say but I think you need to disentangle the cart and the horse. And please don’t think I’m against either feminism or permissiveness. I like them both.
- Engineer
November 18, 2014 at 12:27 pm -
Welcome back to Britain, Anna!
Now, I am English, can peel a sprout, and weigh less than 24 stone, but I can’t claim to be female. However, the great majority of the females of my acquaintance are neither obscenely obese nor intellectually challenged, and most of those with whom I’ve discussed the subject are as dismissive of ‘modern feminism’ as most of the blog’s commenters. British womanhood is doing just fine, getting on with life as they always have, just meeting different challenges with slightly different answers. True, there is the odd noisy whinger infesting the airwaves or the newspaper column inches, but the level-headed majority tend to just ignore them. Ditto the blokes. We’re just getting on with it, trying to do our bit to keep the world turning. Don’t believe everything you read in the papers!
Not sure exactly where you are, but here in the North West, I’ve never seen a motorised supermarket trolley, and we still have fresh, unwrapped fruit and veg in our local Sainsbury’s. You do see the odd fat slug blocking the aisles, but you also see some stunningly chic examples of modern womanhood, too. And the checkout girls are in general cheerful, friendly and welcoming. The one suggestion I would make is to find a decent local butcher for the sausages; how the supermarkets manage to produce bangers with so little flavour is utterly beyond me.
- Carl
November 18, 2014 at 2:06 pm -
http://www.amazon.com/After-Reich-Brutal-History-Occupation/dp/0465003389 This book by Giles MacDonogh first published in 2007 is a brilliant read. I am a supporter of our Armed Forces, but war and it’s aftermath are dirty and brutal for both antagonists, and the truth of what happened to civilians in Germany and the occupied countries should not be buried.
I was also in Benedorm recently and agree with the above poster, walking on the footpath can be hazardous as there are so many mobility scooters around, however I have not observed many of these in my local supermarket (Yet). As to the Stalinist Feminists of today ( I read that term on another blog and thought it very apt) I thank God I am no longer young, and feel sorry for the young men of today who are subjected to their poisonous views and cyber bullying. - Chris
November 18, 2014 at 2:25 pm -
Girls Just Wanna Have Fun…. and loadsa boozy nights out gettin’ hammered and pullin’ whoever they like…. and tattoos… and babies to dress up… and their cake and eat it, like the women on the telly.
The UK has indeed become something almost unrecognisable to someone like me who has avoided TV soap operas for the past 10 years and has become as weary of it all as I have cynical.
One of the most noticeable new traits of Modern Britain is how, whereas once upon a time traditionally a daughter would eventually become like her mother, the middle-aged women now aspire to be their (idiot) daughters – including endless narcissistic ‘selfies’, the (over)makeovers, the perma-social networking and the need to indulge in “good times”, for with them all being both “heroes” and “saints”, “You deserve, hun”. Which is a nightmare for someone like me looking for a decent woman and finding the Under 30’s a morass of morons – I didn’t bank on women in their 30’s, 40’s & even 50’s trying to emulate Generation Zzzzzz.Take me back to dear old Blighty…
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 2:35 pm -
When did Russian brides come into vogue? Some time after the Thai variety I expect.
- Robert the Biker
November 18, 2014 at 2:44 pm -
Shortly after the fall of the Wall and the collapse of the Soviet system
- Robert the Biker
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
November 18, 2014 at 2:42 pm -
Here, The Daily Mail proudly boasts of being “Printed in Spain” across its frontpage, a fact I’m always surprised they don’t prefer to keep hidden given their target readership largely consists of holidaying/ex-pat Brits who don’t-much-care-for-Spain (apart from the weather).
I occasionally pluck an old copy out of the paper-recycling bin when I pass if I’m sure there is no one around; dumpster-diving now a crime, thanks to the present government, but really the concern is not to be seen succumbing to an old & degrading addiction, that crystal myth of Fleet Street from an army of journalistic Walter Whites.Which brings me to this corker of a tale which ties in with topics previously covered on this site: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2837619/Camilla-squeezed-buttock-Kelsey-Grammer-reveals-Duchess-Cornwall-grabbed-backside-White-House.html
It has it all: politics, royalty & Hollywood.
The sexual abuse of the weak by the powerful… an elite figure so confident of their untouchableness that they cruelly twisted the knife by adding a sneeringly lewd remark after carrying out the assault.
Are we to believe that this monster only attacked once? Now that brave Kelsey has found the courage to speak out maybe others, too, will find the strength to put themselves in contact with Slater & Gordon and initiate what must be a lawyers’ dream come true, namely an offender with an almost bottomless pit of money to drain – the House Of Windsor. (To be followed by a vicarious claim against the country itself.)I’m sure DLT’s “victim” could give courageous Kelsey a hand writing his ‘victim impact statement’.
- English Pensioner
November 18, 2014 at 2:44 pm -
I think feminism has done women far more harm than good. Most married women are now effectively forced out to work to help pay for the family home, something that didn’t happen 50 years ago. This, of course, means that they have less time to shop and prepare meals which results in them using ready prepared food. Both my daughters can prepare decent meals from scratch, but unfortunately rarely have the time to do so, except at weekends.
As a mere male driver/trolly pusher, I much prefer Waitrose! Most of the female clientele are well worth watching and their kids are well behaved compared with Tesco! - AdrianS
November 18, 2014 at 5:14 pm -
Obese people and the disabled are still humans and have feelings, we are just not all made the same. Many obese people are the product of their environment . Many disabled people would love to be able bodied.
What drives people to drug addiction or alcoholism? Some people have it in them to murder people others have more unusual sex desires just to emphasise the point. If your slim and able bodied , what vices do you have? Most people have a weakness - Bellevue
November 18, 2014 at 5:31 pm -
I am still living in France, and have no intention to return to Blighty.
I have to say, that I too am shocked at the state of some of the women one sees in British supermarkets; particularly as most french women are so THIN (particularly the teenagers).
I do not use ready-cooked meals of any kind – mainly because when we first moved here 18 years ago, you could not find any! When I go on trips to the UK to visit my daughters (one in Edinburgh, the other in Exeter) I must admit that I find the supermarkets a real treat …….. so much choice! But I avoid processed food normally, because it is so full of rubbish.
I miss M&S, BHS etc. but then I get my fix on my 2-3 visits per year.
I do notice that Scottish women are much fatter than anything I am used to! Sorry, Scots. - Judd
November 18, 2014 at 6:33 pm -
Welcome Back to old Blighty Anna.
Now i’m a bit of a old fashioned old bugger, worked all me life, indeed when raising my kids (rather than the state) 100 hour weeks were regular via several jobs, used to enjoy the odd pint when time permitted but that was about my only vice, apart from like any other red blooded chap enjoying seeing the lovely ladies, who seem to have vanished without trace about 30 years ago.
Anyway, i know bugger all about drugs, well i didn’t until earlier on this year when i happened to find meself in a Manchester area tram, now i know everything, thankyou Manchester for my unwanted education on the subject.
There was a fellow on this tram speaking on his mobile, i presume the conversation was with his social worker or some other similar type, the conversation revolved around drugs of various sorts, methodone, benefits etc…obviously the W word wasn’t mentioned once (you know, that obscene four letter one ending in ork).
At this point you probably think i’m a nosy bugger who was earwigging, if only, as it was i can only assume the twerp didn’t actually have the phone turned on and was indeed carrying on the conversation with someone in a tram going the other way, it was impossible NOT to hear every sodding word wherever you happened to be on the tram.
See, its not just you lovely ladies (and my lovely wife is from the old school too) who cringe at those of your own sex, us chaps spend increasing time wandering around muttering oaths and shaking our heads too, trying to fathom out just what went wrong with our replacements.
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
November 18, 2014 at 6:42 pm -
I’m sure the creation of the Welfare State was the point where people stopped being self reliant and became increasingly pampered dependants. The unity and power of the local community started to diminish about then too…..
- Carol42
November 18, 2014 at 6:59 pm -
Don’t worry some of us are out there, I can speak English, albeit with a Scottish accent from my childhood. I weigh about 120 lbs so don’t take up too much room. I can cook ok but since being widowed I quite enjoy M&S meals, expensive but worth it. I don’t think much of modern feminists who seem to get hysterical over silly things our generation handled without a second thought, the constant wringing get me down. I often think counsellors do more harm than good sometimes and I hate the constant denigration of men, that can’t be doing their sons any good. Welcome home and I hope all your results were good.
Carol - Carol42
November 18, 2014 at 7:02 pm -
Must read posts! I meant whinging of course.
- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 8:02 pm -
Wringing worked too…
- Moor Larkin
- JD.
November 18, 2014 at 7:04 pm -
Feminism, a construct of the Rockefellers ?
Political correctness, likewise, & a pathway to deconstruct the West & force us into a totalitarian China style govt, so beloved by globalist control freaks like Soros ?
Youtube, & put in :
1) Aaron Russo Rockefeller
2) Kent Clizbe Willing AccomplicesAny & all feedback please.
JD.- Moor Larkin
November 18, 2014 at 8:03 pm -
Whatever did happen to Chimerica?
- Moor Larkin
- Cascadian
November 18, 2014 at 8:35 pm -
I think you are being a tad unfair to the ladies, Landlady.
I take your suggestion that post-WW2 there were many self-sufficient, capable women of many nationalities. While today the world seems to be populated with an increasing proportion of women who regard it their birthright that they can subsist on government handouts doing the absolute minimum to improve their personal situation while complaining loudly of their misfortunes. As others have pointed out that is not a purely feminine trait as it is well-established in the male of the species too. I believe that what you are describing as feminist traits are in fact socialist traits (the fact that many socialists seem be feminists makes the error simple to make) a clue perhaps is in your commentary “‘s’not right izzit’, via a lone ‘me social worker’. All delivered at an ear piercing blast”…seemingly everybody having their own social worker to dispense the “free” services provided not apparently by the taxpayers but the government-“cos I is entitled” that once they would have had to seek at the workhouse, where of course work was required to ensure subsistence.
Happily many of your worthy female correspondents do not seem to be of that cohort, so hope springs eternal.
Having said that it has not been a good week for feminism, even Time magazine venturing into the minefield to ask which words should be banned (bizarre thought though that may be) received an overwhelming response that feminist should placed in the great trashbin of vocabulary. The government-supported-female-units were not too pleased. Harridans verbally abusing a space scientist for wearing a colourful shirt, nothing more. And ms kardashian showing the world a whole lot more than most would care to see of her body, all in the cause of “empowerment”. These are the acts of a vocal minority untutored in the need to survive on very little, or to accept that their current situation is not ideal but can be improved with hard work, that blaming others for their situation will elicit very little sympathy.
One can quickly see that feminist is now shorthand for the least desirable of the females (and males) of the species, even as most men can easily adapt to and admire forthright, intelligent, capable females, It is why we assemble here every day after all.
- Fat Steve
November 18, 2014 at 8:45 pm -
@Cascadian. It is why we assemble here every day after all. Dead Right …..though such female erudition is rare
- The Jannie
November 18, 2014 at 9:53 pm -
In my experience most REAL women look down on feminazis as setting a bad example. On womanly qualities, the memsahib can do all you ask – although sprouts play up her arthritic fingers these days. Her favourite put-down is on Yorkshire women who buy Yorkshire pudding mix – just add milk and an egg! Yes, there are big profits to be made from relabelled flour. Lidl and Aldi make a change from the Britmarkets if only because lots of their customes are slim and good-looking and tend to swear in Polish!
- The Jannie
November 18, 2014 at 9:54 pm -
customers!
- Cloudberry
November 18, 2014 at 10:19 pm -
And the bravest of them all was… could it be the one on wheels?
http://www.bestdaily.co.uk/your-life/news/a610945/meet-the-best-bravest-women-2014-award-winners.html- Moor Larkin
November 19, 2014 at 9:30 am -
For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?
- Moor Larkin
- MTG
November 19, 2014 at 8:03 am -
“Whatever happened to the army of strong confident women that peopled this land before Feminism arrived to ‘empower’ them?”
A brutally perceptive, rhetorical question. The main topic itself is more humbling by the quality of appearing to be torn from the author, word by word.
- Gus
November 21, 2014 at 12:12 am -
Hello all. Long time listener first time caller here. I’m kicking my heels waiting for the funeral director to turn up and look after my dad, who died a few hours ago , and I’m in a bit of a grumpy mood so please bear with me. I have avoided my fair share of motorised slugs in Sainsburys and despaired of the lowlife that inhabit our inner cities for many years. But I’m here to tell you now that this country is also home to a lot of wonderful human beings. Macmillan nurses, district nurses, carers, doctors, surgeons, relatives, friends, neighbours, strangers, whose kindness and compassion and thoughtfulness have made me weep with gratitude. Please don’t write off a Nation based on a shopping trip.
- Bandini
November 21, 2014 at 12:41 am -
Hear, hear, Gus.
I’m sorry to hear abour your father. Take care. - Cascadian
November 21, 2014 at 4:28 am -
Sorry to hear of your loss Gus, losing one’s father leaves you rudderless for a while. After a while you adapt to it, but you never (and should not) forget. I hope you have many fine memories of your time together.
Of course you are correct to remind us there are many, many fine people out there quietly going about their business not wanting attention. Unfortunately it is the other variety that achieves all the notoriety and news. I am glad you seem to have an over abundance of kindly people around you at this moment, as the saying goes-good things happen to good people-you are not alone, chin up.
Drop by the Raccoon Arms more often if you need to talk.
- Bandini
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