Savile – the Mail on Sunday Investigation.
How Savile’s niece’s demand for compensation led to police fraud probe: Her own daughter says story is false…how many more of the 211 claims for vast payments will police investigate?
- Caroline Robinson claimed great-uncle Savile abused her in front of family
- In 2011 gave TV and newspaper interviews following paedophile’s exposure
- But family members say ‘there is not a chance in this world’ her story is true
- Now police are investigating other Savile compensation scheme claimants
- Many of the 211 claims are vague with history not always checking out
Detectives have launched a criminal inquiry into suspected fraud over claims of sex abuse by Jimmy Savile, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.
The extraordinary development centres on allegations by Savile’s own great-niece, Caroline Robinson, who claims she was sexually abused by him as a child – and is seeking thousands of pounds in compensation.
But following inquiries by this newspaper, police in West Yorkshire have confirmed they have now launched a probe. And both West Yorkshire and detectives from Scotland Yard’s Operation Yewtree have said they would investigate other claims if fraud were suspected.
Some 211 people came forward claiming compensation after alleged abuse by the DJ, who died in 2011. The following year, a TV documentary exposed his predatory behaviour, opening a floodgate of claims.
An engagement party at a luxury venue in Leeds in 1978. The bride-to-be – who, unusually enough, is both pregnant and only 15 – is asked by her mother to take some food to the disc jockey, her famous ‘Uncle Jimmy’ Savile, who’s playing the hits in his booth next to the heaving dancefloor.
The girl shudders at the request because three years earlier, when she was just 12, Savile sexually abused her in front of numerous relatives at a family gathering. But she’s keen to please her mother, and so she obeys – only to be assaulted all over again, this time much more seriously.
It’s dark and noisy. No one sees his attack and no one hears her protests. ‘He cornered me; I was trapped,’ she would tell a reporter years later. ‘I can still summon up the smell of him; his cigars and a sweet, sickly girls’ perfume. When it was over, I ran outside. I remember being sick. Then I went into the hotel toilets and scrubbed myself.’
In the long, posthumous charge sheet against Jimmy Savile, this depraved case stands out: an account of his abuse of his own great-niece, Caroline Robinson.
Now 51, she gave TV and newspaper interviews in 2012, after the documentary that first exposed Savile as a paedophile.
But an investigation by The Mail on Sunday has revealed that her story conflicts with other evidence – and in this is not alone: so far as it is possible to check other claims being made by Savile’s alleged victims, some may also be questionable.
At least five members of Mrs Robinson’s close family say she is lying, including her daughter, Samantha Smith. Samantha has even accused her mother of making a fraudulent claim for compensation, and submitted a formal complaint to police.
Mrs Robinson’s brother, Martin Perry, adds ‘there is not a chance in this world’ that her story of being abused by Savile while sitting on his knee in front of many witnesses aged 12 was true. As for the engagement party, ‘it never happened’.
Mrs Smith, 26, a school science cover supervisor, said: ‘She’s made out like she was trying to protect me from him. It was the exact opposite.’ When she was 13, she said, her mother made her take a day off school to go to Savile’s brother Vincent’s funeral – purely so that she would meet Jimmy.
‘She was saying, “There he is, go and talk to him, he’s got loads of money”. His money and fame were the only reasons she made me go the funeral of a man I’d never met.’
Her police statement concludes: ‘I reject all of Caroline’s claims as nothing more than a calculated lie in order to obtain money fraudulently.’
Last night, Geoff Dodd, West Yorkshire’s Assistant Chief Constable, revealed police were beginning an inquiry into whether Mrs Robinson’s claim is bogus.
She has previously denied her family’s allegations, but last night did not return requests for comment.
Mrs Robinson has waived her anonymity by giving interviews, so it is possible to check what she says. Legal restrictions make investigating claims by others who say Savile abused them extremely difficult.
Detectives have launched a criminal inquiry into suspected fraud over claims of sex abuse by Jimmy Savile.
However, inquiries by this newspaper have revealed:
- Mrs Robinson’s compensation claim is one of 211 filed under a scheme set up by the executors of Savile’s will, National Westminster Bank, and the law firm it has engaged to run it, Osborne Clarke.
- All aspects of these further claims are supposed to be totally secret, but many refer to events and times – for example, screenings of Top Of The Pops – which would appear to be impossible. The way the scheme works means they are subject to only the most cursory scrutiny.
- The lawyers who represent claimants will be paid between £11,000 and £16,000 for every claim they process. Under the scheme’s fixed ‘tariff’ of damages and legal fees, this means the lawyers will be paid up to ten times as much as victims. Next month, the scheme will be challenged in the Court of Appeal.
- The fees going to Osborne Clarke will take precedence over all other calls on Savile’s fast-shrinking estate. They have already taken £500,000 and submitted bills for a further £200,000 – still only a fraction of the sum they will eventually be due.
- What is left of the Savile estate is currently valued at about £3 million, and the payment of these fees will empty the pot. The only genuine victims likely to receive compensation are those abused at NHS hospitals or the BBC: in those cases, the burden will be transferred from the estate to tax and licence-fee payers. But this applies to less than half the claimants. The others will probably get nothing.
A SCHOOL FOR SCANDAL?
THE 2012 documentary that destroyed Savile’s reputation focused on allegations that he assaulted girls during visits he made to Duncroft, a secure Approved School in Surrey for teenage girls.
In the programme’s wake, more former Duncroft girls came forward, and at least 14 are now claiming compensation under the scheme. Some say Savile abused them when they were taken from Duncroft to recordings of his BBC TV shows.
Anonymity rules mean that most cannot be identified.
But, like Mrs Robinson, former Duncroft inmate Bebe Roberts went public.
She said in a 2012 interview that Savile assaulted her when she was 15 in 1965: ‘If you were walking down the corridor he would come up close and touch you inappropriately… He always came when we were getting ready for bed. There were girls in there who were quite terrified of him.’
Ms Roberts’s claims surprised her former room-mate, Susanne Cameron-Blackie. Now a lawyer and mental health expert, Ms Cameron-Blackie writes a blog about the Savile case under the name Anna Raccoon. She said: ‘I was staggered by her interviews, for the simple reason that in 1965, Jimmy Savile did not come near Duncroft. We never saw him.’
Yesterday, Ms Roberts said: ‘I’m sticking by my story. I will never say anything more about it.’ She said she had not claimed compensation.
This newspaper has uncovered evidence that Jimmy Savile did not visit Duncroft until early in 1974, when his name first appears in its visitors’ book – so casting doubt not only on Ms Roberts, but on the allegations of four women who have made compensation claims, because they say he abused them before this date.
The Mail on Sunday interviewed the woman responsible for Savile’s first visit to Duncroft. Susan – she has asked us not to publish her surname – revealed: ‘I met him on a weekend leave in late 1973.
‘My mother was managing a country club. There was a reception for police officers, and she needed a waitress, so asked me to fill in.’
The result was that Susan, who looked older than her years, was serving a group of detectives and their friend Savile.
He asked her to visit him at the flat he used at Broadmoor Hospital the next day.
They kissed, but she says that when he discovered she was only 15, he ceased intimate contact.
Later she begged her mother, Sheila, to ask Duncroft’s head, Margaret Jones, if Savile could visit. Sheila later confirmed she did so. Ms Jones – 93 but still mentally sharp – told the same story: ‘I never knew Savile until Susan’s mother asked if he could come and brought him there in 1974. I said Yes because I thought it would be good for the girls.’
The Savile compensation scheme was first advertised in national newspapers. Claims are checked by a small group of ‘scrutineers,’ made up of members of Savile’s family, a few friends and former colleagues.
They are prevented from discussing claims so it’s impossible to establish their veracity.
The task is still harder because the police, who seized Savile’s diaries that recorded his movements for more than 20 years, say they have ‘lost’ them.
But it is clear that many of the allegations being processed are vague. An analysis prepared for the Court of Appeal reveals that out of 211 claimants, eight say an incident of abuse took place at some time in a period lasting ten years or more. Eighty say an incident occurred in a period of between two and ten years. Sixty-one specify a year, and 62 both a year and a season.
There are claims by people who say they were assaulted at recordings of Top Of The Pops before it started in 1964, and others by those who describe assaults at the BBC TV Centre in London at recordings of programmes which were, in fact, filmed elsewhere.
The Savile compensation scheme was first advertised in national newspapers following the sex abuse scandal
One claimant described an assault by Savile in 1945, stating that he was a manager at a Mecca Ballroom. In 1945, Savile was 19 and a ‘Bevin boy’ miner.
Most of the claimants – 174 – are represented by a team from law firm Slater & Gordon, led by solicitor Liz Dux. She said she ‘cannot be sure there are no fraudulent claims’, though she said she has rejected claims which seemed improbable.
She also admitted that many claimants might never receive a meaningful payment: ‘They are going through an awful lot of pain in reliving their ordeals for a tiny monetary gain.’
The scheme’s tariff sets eight separate compensation bands: victims who were touched over their clothing should get £1,500, rising to £7,500 for those assaulted under their clothing, and a maximum £40,000 who were raped.
Ms Dux said most of her clients’ alleged abuse was at the lower end of the scale, so that they would be due less than £10,000 – or in other words, less than the £11,000 to £16,000 due to claimants’ lawyers like her under the scheme’s fixed legal fees, and in some cases, much less.
But she insisted: ‘The scheme was drawn up to keep legal costs to a minimum.’
However, the sums due to NatWest’s lawyers Osborne Clarke – who have appointed a team of barristers to assess all the claims, adding still more to their costs – would likely soon render the estate insolvent.
When that happened, Ms Dux said, ‘we will not be paid, and nor can the victims. If there’s not enough money left, the court will decide how to divide what’s left. Osborne Clarke will take precedence.’
The scheme is being challenged in the Court of Appeal by the trustees of Jimmy Savile’s charitable trust, to which he left almost all his estate.
Jo Summers, the trust’s solicitor, who is working on the case pro bono, said: ‘The money should go to the bona fide claimants. A scheme where the lawyers get more than the claimants cannot be right.
‘The level of scrutiny NatWest/Osborne Clarke are applying to the claims is ludicrously low – it will be almost impossible to tell which claims are genuine and which are not.’
Osborne Clarke and NatWest refused to comment.
A BBC spokesman said it would deal with claims where appropriate, but could not discuss any details.
Although she would not respond to this newspaper, Caroline Robinson has earlier insisted on her Facebook page: ‘My so-called family are trying to stop me telling the truth… I have told the truth, it’s a pity certain people can’t handle the truth.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798457/how-savile-s-niece-s-demand-compensation-led-police-fraud-probe-daughter-says-story-false-211-claims-vast-payments-police-investigate.html#ixzz3GXhgymvb
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Edited by Ms Raccoon to add: As a result of the hard work that went into the making of this article – Detectives in West Yorkshire and London have launched a criminal inquiry into suspected fraud over claims of sex abuse by Jimmy Savile.
Ms Raccoon is currently just south of Paris en route to hospital for her 3 month scan – so if there is more than one link in your comment it is likely to be stuck in moderation for some time; I doubt that I will be back before Tuesday.
A tip of the Raccoon tail to David Rose for all his hard work – he has done a superb job validating this story and I salute his courage in standing tall in ‘Fleet Street’ (as was!) where others have hidden behind corporate security blankets….never let it be said that there are no proper investigative journalists left…
My original post from July 2013 on the Caroline Robinson story is HERE.
- Ho Hum
October 19, 2014 at 2:42 am -
Credit to those to whom credit is due
Please let me doff my hat to David Rose too. And, with gritted teeth, the DM
And, of course, also to Lady Raccoon
- JuliaM
October 20, 2014 at 1:24 pm -
Seconded!
- JuliaM
- Joe Public
October 19, 2014 at 2:50 am -
Bravo Ms Raccoon, your hard slog has borne fruit. I trust those who made false claims will be successfully prosecuted.
Sadly, the DM article is let down at the very start:
“In 2011 (Caroline Robinson) gave TV and newspaper interviews following paedophile’s exposure”. I thought Mr Savile was status was as an ‘alleged paedophile’
- Carol42
October 19, 2014 at 2:56 am -
At last! I wondered if any newspaper would break ranks, hopefully when the truth comes out or as much that’s casts serious doubt on the whole fiasco and that there are more fraud charges and the reputation of a dead man is at least restored to some extent. People should be reminded that these are allegations that are impossible to prove though sometimes they can be disproved. I hope too you get full credit for all your hard work, without you none of this would have come to light. Perhaps too maybe some of the historical abuse convictions will be looked at again. I would not be surprised if other papers start to have another look too, especially the ridiculous reports from the NHS hospitals which, as with the BBC prove nothing at all. Great work and good luck with your scan, I had mine in September and so far so good.
Carol - Wigner’s Friend
October 19, 2014 at 7:06 am -
Glad to see that DM has at least given you a hat tip.
- TomO
October 19, 2014 at 8:11 am -
Liz Dux – there’s a mendacious intercontinental “ambulance chaser” eh?
- Ted Treen
October 20, 2014 at 2:21 pm -
Jo Summers – “A scheme where the lawyers get more than the claimants cannot be right.”
That condemns 90% of the British Legal System, then.
- eric hardcastle
October 20, 2014 at 3:48 pm -
Actually Slater & Gordon’s main competitor for compensation claims in Australia, a firm called Keddies has just gone bankrupt with it’s lawyers & partners being thoroughly discredited for over-charged and creaming off excessive fees which pale in comparison to S&L’s Savile estate demands.
## and of course : well done Ms Raccoon !- eric hardcastle
October 20, 2014 at 3:51 pm -
and I spoke too soon : although some Keddie’s lawyers may face charges : the firm was absorbed by..duhhh Slater & Gordon !!
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/he-owes-millions-his-wifes-worth-millions-keddies-partner-outwits-creditors-legally-20120816-24ann.html
- eric hardcastle
- eric hardcastle
- Ted Treen
- GildasTheMonk
October 19, 2014 at 9:16 am -
Money, money, money. I despair some times. Well done, Boss!
- JuliaM
October 20, 2014 at 1:25 pm -
It’s always money. ALWAYS!
- JuliaM
- The Blocked Dwarf
October 19, 2014 at 9:31 am -
Good luck with the scan. I’m amazed, as much by the fact that the Mail still employs at least one proper journalist as by what he wrote and what he managed to get past his editor. Well done to all concerned.
- SadButMadLad
October 19, 2014 at 9:39 am -
David Rose is a true journalist. One who investigates and writes the true story. He does not regurgitate stories churned out by PR people with agendas.
- Cascadian
October 19, 2014 at 6:43 pm -
We need a name for these PR churners-the best I have seen so far PResstitute.
- Bill Sticker
October 20, 2014 at 1:43 am -
I prefer Farkers or Churnalists.
- Bill Sticker
- Cascadian
- Mudplugger
October 19, 2014 at 9:53 am -
A small chink of light starts to illuminate where there was only public darkness. The fightback begins?
(And good luck with the scan – that’s even more important).
- sukili
October 19, 2014 at 10:10 am -
Like water, the truth has a way of trickling out – with the help of a few determined people who ignore villification. We all have reason to be grateful to you.
- Sarah
October 19, 2014 at 10:10 am -
I spotted this when I was reading The Mail online this morning and literally gave a cheer and a hi five to you Anna, and to all those people that came forward to speak to you about their time at Duncroft (even though some found it very worrying and distressing to have to relive a bit of their past they thought long buried) and all the others working behind the scenes to bring the real Saville scandel to light, namely that there was and still is no credible proof that Saville commited any crime, let alone those He has been judged and found guilty of in the court of public opinion.
The behaviour of the ‘claiments’ and those acting on their behalf are almost criminally fraudulent in them selves and it is obvious, to anyone with half a brain, that whilst the claiments evidence relies mostly on their allegedly vivid and shocking and exact ‘memories’ which have to be taken at face value (which seem to go from vivid to vague the minute they are exposed to even the slightest examination), because Sir Jimmy Saville was very famous, and therefore in the public eye a great deal it is, in fact, quite easy to either prove or disprove their allegations. Perhaps this is why those charged with investigating these claims are disinclined to investigate too deeply.
It’s a shame that the article didn’t mention that the charities that Saville actually left his estate to will never see a penny, regardless of the outcome. Bravo to David Rose for bucking the churnalistic trend and striking out on his own to do some real investagative journalism, I really hope he keeps digging, and that this turns out to be his ‘big scoop’ (He will no doubt come in for all sorts of abuse and ‘trolling’ now He’s stuck His head above the parapet and it can be scary when you are going against the grain).
All the very best for your scan today.
Fondest regards, Sarah. - Chris
October 19, 2014 at 10:10 am -
The reference to ‘Great Uncle Savile’ in the first paragraph – a reference to a spoof perhaps?
The rest of the msm are trying their to bury the story today it would seem….
- Bunny
October 19, 2014 at 10:35 am -
Best of luck with the scan and a great link, this issue has been annoying me for ages. The Savile estate is being squandered when it could have gone to the charities he actually left it to and not legal firms.
- Moor Larkin
October 19, 2014 at 10:49 am -
Just added this to the Mail comments. Lord alone knows if they will “allow” it via their moderation….
“How brave of the Mail and the journalist to run this story at all. They have my admiration.”
The same goes for the Landlady, with knobs on…..
- JD.
October 19, 2014 at 10:58 am -
All credit & best wishes to Ms Raccoon.
Thanks for shining a light into this cesspit.
3 cheers for David Rose.The truth slowly trickles out.
- Mesmer
October 19, 2014 at 11:08 am -
At last perhaps the tide is turning away from this pervasive example of what Papa Freud called ‘credulous expectation’ ( and what we in the business call ‘transference’) , where significant figures get imbued with all sorts of stuff which has little connection with them. What PF noticed in the consulting room is often ( always) writ large in the social sphere where any garbage can hold sway as “truth” and where the efforts to combat this need to be so much greater. If I wore a hat I would take it off to Anna ( and to Moor Larkin and Rabbitaway and others ) for the brave and painstaking way in which they stand against this tide and show , by example, what it means to be an individual. Thankyou!
- Duncan Disorderly
October 19, 2014 at 11:30 am -
“The task is still harder because the police, who seized Savile’s diaries that recorded his movements for more than 20 years, say they have ‘lost’ them.”
That is extraordinary if true.
- Moor Larkin
October 19, 2014 at 11:32 am -
Especially when you consider they managed to find their own from 1964 that they never knew they had.
- Bandini
October 19, 2014 at 2:02 pm -
I found this aspect particularly unconvincing, Moor.
Although Spindler presents this as the “Paedophile Collater’s Book” it was in fact the “‘Shady’ Book” (i.e. vice in general) until someone had the foresight to scrawl the word “paedophile” across it with a marker-pen, long after the Savile entry was made.The police themselves, as confirmed in at least one of the reports (forget which) are unsure of its provenence. Leaving aside the fact that it has the look of a scrapbook (actually a book for recording sickness) Spindler’s assertion that its contents were “never” going to be uploaded to any intelligence-system had me wondering what exactly it was: an over zealous copper’s out-of-hours hobbyhorse, perhaps?
Having said all this, I should mention that I’ve never yet watched the ‘Exposure’ programme (no, really! Two-minute clips of MWT are about my limit) so maybe all is explained in more detail. This clip here, though, is anything but convincing: http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-03-12/documents-reveal-savile-was-known-to-police-in-1964/
P.S. Congratulations to the Landlady (and others including yourself, Moor) for pursuing an unfashionable truth.
- Moor Larkin
October 19, 2014 at 2:35 pm -
I conducted an 11-part meticulous blogathon to expose Exposure Bandini. I referred to the blogposts as Expositions. I can assure you that nothing is “explained in more detail” in that disgraceful insult to honest journalism. The programme is a fraud. Every single person on it has serious questions to answer. Several of them have already been demonstrated to have made their stories up and it’s not even a secret. Everyone knows. The mass media is corrupt I’m afraid. I can imagine David Rose is very much the lonely boy in the playground just now. The editor of the MoS and the editor of the weekday version are said to not have the best of personal relationships. Thank God for discord, it’s the only thing that saves us from ourselves sometimes.
- Moor Larkin
- Bandini
- Mudplugger
October 19, 2014 at 12:15 pm -
I suspect ‘misplaced’ may be a more accurate term than ‘lost’, the latter suggesting no degree of deliberate human input to the event.
- Lucozade
October 22, 2014 at 1:18 pm -
Duncan Disorderly,
“The task is still harder because the police, who seized Savile’s diaries that recorded his movements for more than 20 years, say they have ‘lost’ them.”
I liked the inverted commas around the word ‘lost’…
- Moor Larkin
- M
October 19, 2014 at 11:44 am -
Thank you Anna, we are all very grateful.
- Kharma bites
October 19, 2014 at 11:45 am -
Hope the police will get the evidence they need to prosecute for fraud where compensations claims are being made. Now what happens to those who lied for some other unknown reason. Will they be brought to answer for their part in this whole fiasco. Time I assume will tell.
- Ho Hum
October 19, 2014 at 11:59 am -
While I should hope it will not be the case, I rather fear that in the near future we are going to see a lot of use being made of the phrase that ‘a prosecution would not be in the public interest’
- Mudplugger
October 19, 2014 at 12:12 pm -
One may be concerned that this investigation is apparently being led by West Yorkshire Police, whose hands may not be entirely spotless in this area.
- Joe Public
October 19, 2014 at 7:41 pm -
But there’s no ‘ethnic’ angle to this particular case, so no reason for ‘Political Correctness’ to rear its ugly head.
Also, one simplistically presumes that if ‘x’ claimed JS ‘groped’ at ‘y’ on ‘z’, but JS never visited that particular hospital that year or decade which our landlady’s research has shown to be the case, then conviction should be a relative formality.
- jS
October 19, 2014 at 10:15 pm -
Joe Public:
There has long been a move to weaken any defence against rape accusations. Plenty would like mere accusation to equal guilt.The Savile scam has been a gift to this cause. PC isn’t all about ethnicity, it’s also often about a gender war.- thedude
October 21, 2014 at 10:44 am -
Let’s call it what it is – a war on men.
- thedude
- jS
- Joe Public
- Ho Hum
- Matt Wardman
October 19, 2014 at 11:51 am -
Superb, Anna.
Wishing you well.
- FrankH
October 19, 2014 at 12:17 pm -
First of all, best wishes for your scan. Hope everything is clear.
Secondly, thanks for sticking with it. It’s partly down to you that people like David Rose, who have access to the mainstream media, can bring it to a wider audience. Well done.
- suffolkgirl
October 19, 2014 at 1:08 pm -
It’s too little too late. The Savile bandwagon may be running out of steam but elsewhere today’s Mail is giving the Geoffrey Dickens ‘dossier’ story full credibility. Can’t really blame the Mail – it’s clearly giving its readers what they like, which isn’t sober truth.
- rabbitaway
October 19, 2014 at 1:12 pm -
At last ! Well done David Rose and well done Anna Raccoon ! Anyone want to know what happened to the Savile diaries ?
http://rabbitaway.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/the-case-for-defense-day-16.html- Moor Larkin
October 19, 2014 at 2:38 pm -
Maybe “The Times” will find them…… *chortle*.
Who do they think they are kidding Mr. Hitler?…
- Moor Larkin
- michael
October 19, 2014 at 1:13 pm -
Wishing you all the best for your scan.
The previous comments cover the ground pretty exhaustively. Ever since I came across the Raccoon Arms I have been admiring the lady and her like-minded seekers after “truth”, or as near as one can get to it. Well done to all concerned for their dogged refusal to let the tides of the moment sweep away their critical faculties.
- Ellen Coulson
October 19, 2014 at 1:18 pm -
What the article does not mention is that Susan gave full statement to the police!
- michael
October 19, 2014 at 1:23 pm -
Best wishes for your scan.
Ever since coming across the Raccoon Arms I have been impressed by the dogged determination of the landlady and her like-minded bloggers in questioning “truths” already determined to public satisfaction, and refusing to let the tide of received opinion overwhelm their critical faculties. More power to you all (and hopefully, a wider audience).
- michael
October 19, 2014 at 1:24 pm -
Apologies for the duplication… sentiments are the same.
- Ms Mildred
October 19, 2014 at 2:35 pm -
Just back from a 26th annual dinner to honour a departed colleague when I read this statement about the DM article. I must be optimistic and hopeful that Anna’s scan is is clear. Let us hope this article has some beneficial effect on the people who DO NOT USE ALLEGED, and say he is a monstrous paedophile with no proper proof or thorough investigation of fraudulent claims made by persons who are seeking to take money left to worthy charities.
- James Masterton
October 19, 2014 at 3:05 pm -
I’m surprised by one aspect of this article, namely that the anonymity of many of the claimants inhibits independent scrutiny of their stories.
Everyone is aware of the right to lifelong anonymity (should they so choose) for those making criminal complaints of sexual assault against those available for arrest and trial, but does this really extend to those making civil claims against the estate of a dead man? Extraordinary if true.
- Matt W
October 19, 2014 at 6:15 pm -
Presumably because such revelations would reveal the identities people who have made anyonymity-guaranteed abuse allegations.
Surely this bombproof false-allegation shelter can’t continue for much longer?
- Matt W
- Jonathan
October 19, 2014 at 6:00 pm -
So brilliant I’m almost speechless – now let’s hope for ramifications; who provided the outdated Surrey Police paper for that forged letter? Why won’t the panel hear Susan’s evidence? Can a broadcaster be prosecuted for assisting and abetting a crime? Can awards be removed when the contents of a show are proven false? Can the police REALLY investigate honestly? And, if they don’t, will Individual Accountability kick in? After HillsboroughGate, PlebGate, HackGate we have seen numerous public officials end up in prison. Might that be the fate, in a few years, of those who intentionally or lazily fail to investigate these claims of fraud? And can the lawyers STILL get all that money, after this article?
- Matt W
October 19, 2014 at 6:10 pm -
I do love the irony of the real “David Rose” turning out to be a good journo.
- Matt W
October 19, 2014 at 6:24 pm -
Damn. Missed a bit.
Was that version ever on the MoS?
- Fat Steve
October 19, 2014 at 6:26 pm -
Good Fortune Anna……..and well well done
- Frankie
October 19, 2014 at 8:47 pm -
Well done Anna! The pot of ordure that is the ‘case’ against Sir James Saville continues to bubble, but whose heads will it land upon? I have to say that when your own family are gunning for you, as in the case of Caroline Robinson then the picture is far from rosy! There are no winners here, except, of course, for Osbourne Clarke.
I extend the sincere wish that your three monthly check up will all be good news.
- Mike
October 20, 2014 at 10:44 am -
Well done Anna, and fingers crossed for the scan.
- Chris
October 20, 2014 at 11:23 am -
I see The Singing Defective is attempting a comeback (of sorts – no explanation to his idiots & sockpuppets or mention of the MoS article of course) https://twitter.com/mwilliamsthomas/status/524123087248572416
- rabbitaway
October 20, 2014 at 11:36 am -
He stole that from my blog !
http://rabbitaway.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/case-for-defense-day-15.html- Chris
October 20, 2014 at 11:40 am -
Oh Dear! Now one of his fans has tweeted the MoS article on that thread
- rabbitaway
October 20, 2014 at 12:24 pm -
The irony being that the Police Inspectorate’s Report that I used is called ‘Mistakes were made’ ! LOL
http://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/media/review-into-allegations-and-intelligence-material-concerning-jimmy-savile.pdf
- rabbitaway
- Chris
- rabbitaway
- Ms Mildred
October 20, 2014 at 1:34 pm -
Did anyone notice the long journey to get to the story on the internet DM? It reqired a great deal of scrolling to find it tucked well down the list. Personally I am fed up with all the monstering of people for words said carelessly or clumsily or quoted out of context. The same for those whose emails and silly selfie pictures are redirected or wearing a lapel microphone, not switched off. It is getting beyond a joke with no privacy or right to a personal opinion for anyone, especially those who are ‘newsworthy’. There are so many trolls both on the internet and in wider society lying in wait to wait to get their invective flung around on behalf badgers, against horsemeat, against abortion, immigration issues, divorce, global warming issues, to name but a few. He said it wrong…she shouldn’t have said… blah blah…..end of rant!
- Mudplugger
October 20, 2014 at 2:01 pm -
Hate to put a damper on things but there is a major downside to the ‘Raccoon Arms’ being tipped in the Mail.
From here on in, every blog-post, on any topic, will have to feature a paragraph specifically covering that topic’s effect on house-prices, otherwise the newly acquired readership just won’t take it seriously.
Could be quite a challenge for Brother Gildas in his wonderful historical posts.- Ho Hum
October 20, 2014 at 2:16 pm -
I’m more worried about the shower of Ranting Red Arrows
- The Blocked Dwarf
October 20, 2014 at 7:56 pm -
“Could be quite a challenge for Brother Gildas in his wonderful historical posts.”
Infact it could be a boon to Gildas…there isn’t a square foot of this soggy isle that doesn’t have some historical connection. I walk out of the front door of my flat (c.17th , flemish roof halftimbered), across the yard (probably a plague pit under there somewhere) , past the washhouse with it’s victorian pump hidden behind the air conditioning for the sweet shop (another medieval shop building and half timbered …somewhere under the brick work), across the National Trust /Heritage site Market Square to my bank- plaque on the wall cos the most infamous Jacobean ‘terrorist’ & total fruitcake lived there before getting himself hanged, drawn and 1/4’d at Tyburn (want to guess the current house prices around Marble Arch?). My bank is next door to where the Father Of Anesthesia was born and opposite the pub where Lord Admiral Nelson got himself a leg trembler (or as the politer chronicles record it ‘visited a dance’).
OK I live in Norfolk, Darwin’s waiting room, where the Black death is discussed as almost having been within living memory and an entire village will share a single DNA but you get my point. The House built on Runnymede’s hallowed ground was up for sale no long ago….and a writer of Gildas’ skill could link interest rates and Agincourt without breaking stride.
- Ho Hum
- Bill Sticker
October 20, 2014 at 5:00 pm -
The saddest thing of the whole affair is that the money from the estate will not benefit those intended. It will go into the pockets of Lawyers. I’ll bet the original complainants won’t see a penny. That will be their reward and punishment rolled into one.
Good luck with the scan, Anna. Fingers, toes, eyes and nostrils crossed for you.
- John
October 22, 2014 at 10:26 pm -
My only thought. The media are good at setting up something like how wonderful a personality is, then publish something to bring them down. Is this the same headline grabber, but in reverse? Hay ho, it all sells newspapers.
All hail the landlady for getting there well ahead of the pack.
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