Freudian Slips and the Disabled.
Lord Freud was tape recorded at a fringe meeting at the Conservative Party conference during a discussion regarding those with disabilities which prevented them from doing what an employer might term ‘a full day’s pay for a full day’s work’. What he actually said was this:
“Now, there is a small…there is a group, and I know exactly who you mean, where actually as you say they’re not worth the full wage and actually I’m going to go and think about that particular issue, whether there is something we can do nationally, and without distorting the whole thing, which actually if someone wants to work for £2 an hour, and it’s working can we actually”.
Labour have leapt on this and dominated yesterday’s PMQ’s with Ed Miliband demanding that Freud be sacked for saying ‘that the disabled may not be worth the full wage’ – immediately conflating the ‘small group’ that Freud referred to with ‘all disabled people’.
I cannot improve on a blog post I wrote two years ago. It was a true story – true then and true now, so I will reproduce it here, and invite any Miliband supporters to come in here and tell me how they have improved life for Maddog – Since writing this I have heard that he’s still there, in the heartland of Labour, South Wales.
Maddog and Mammon.
The language of ‘cuts in disability payments’ is extreme. It is left versus right; Labour fluffy hearts versus Tory stony hearts; adversarial and impassioned. Benefit scrounger versus tax payer. There is no middle ground, no meeting place for calmer debate. It’s ‘give us the money’ or ‘you’re an evil bastard’.
Sue Marsh in particular has written a series of eloquent impassioned articles describing wheelchair bound claimants marooned for all eternity in their ‘homes’ by the heartless decision to leave payment for mobility cars to the local council – who prefer to provide a vehicle for all the residents rather than individual vehicles. She complains that:
More to the point, they never consider who will employ us! With our vomit bowls and syringes and blackouts and seizures, do they really think an army of employers are just waiting to take us eagerly into the workplace?
That paragraph stuck a particular chord with me. It was a Labour government who drew up the battle lines – if you ticked the right number of boxes you could claim disability living allowance, and you were officially unfit to work. The expectation of modern life that everything was perfect, rosy cheeked employees who could be portrayed on the front of the business plan, in open plan offices, efficiently carrying out their duties in a risk free environment. Or sick, below par, dependent, reliant on the state. It was not always so.
Let me introduce you to Maddog. I had called on Maddog several times. He lived in a row of five or six terrace houses hidden in a forest, high above a disused coal mine. The house was always silent, no sign of life. On perhaps my fifth attempt, a neighbour was washing his car outside. He expressed surprise that I was knocking at the front door – did I not know that Maddog ‘lived out back’? He led me round the side of the houses, past an immaculate, truly immaculate and prolific, vegetable garden, to what appeared to be an ordinary garden shed at the bottom of the patch.
‘Have you met Maddog before’ he asked. ‘No’, I replied. ‘I’ll stay and help you understand if you like’ he volunteered.
Inside the shed was a vast Coalbrookdale range belching smoke. I dream of it still, an architectural masterpiece. A pan of bacon sizzled on top. Two foot away was a cast iron bath of the double ended variety, with a hot water cylinder balanced at one end. The top was covered with a board and a collection of bedding. Wedged between the two was Maddog, a tiny, possibly less than five foot, wizened Welshman with a profound curvature of the spine. He did not speak but waved happily at me and gave me a thumbs up sign by way of greeting before turning his attention back to the bacon.
My ‘guide’ told me Maddog’s story, interrupted only occasionally by Maddog pulling some piece of paper out of a drawer to authenticate a claim made by his neighbour, or bounce in his seat and give me another thumbs up when something said pleased him. It was obvious that he could understand every word spoken.
The front door that I had been knocking on had belonged to Maddog’s grandfather. Bought with his life savings from the coal board when the mine had closed. Maddog’s Mother had been granddad’s much loved daughter – the Father was reputed to come from a ‘good neighbourhood’ but now’t else was known about him. Maddog was not her only child, she had given birth to another child; both she and the child died shortly afterwards.
It so happened that the coal board, still the owner of the house at that time, was about to commence substantial upgrading of the houses, just at the time that daughter was pregnant for the second time. The old man was not enamoured of the idea that strangers should encounter his family shame. He moved the range and the bath and hot water cylinder into the garden shed with the aid of his neighbours and commanded his daughter to remain out of sight whilst the work was carried out. He took Maddog to work with him.
Maddog was then fourteen, old enough at that time to work legally, but physically disabled, and suffering from profound, as we describe it today, learning disabilities; there was not a lot he could do in the tough world of coal mining. Never mind. Grand Dad had a plan.
Deep in the mine was a canteen that the miner’s would retire to when the whistle blew for a scant ten minutes tea break. Little enough time to sear parched throats with tea, never mind make it and clear up afterwards. Maddog was commanded to make himself useful in the canteen. When the whistle blew, the tea was ready, the cups from the last break washed and refilled, and every man had his ‘bate box’ carefully laid in front of his usual seat. The foreman was delighted – and Maddog was given the job of canteen manager.
He was paid, by the mine owners. Probably the lowest possible wage, I cannot remember the figures, but sufficient to attract National Insurance payments, which 40 years later had allowed Maddog a full pension. Every Tuesday Maddog would walk to the nearest post office, make his mark, for he did not write, and transfer the money to his saving account, as his neighbours had told him to do. Once a year he would withdraw sufficient to pay his rates bill, as his neighbours had told him to do. The balance amounted to several thousand pounds.
For Maddog had no need of money. His grandfather, who had died shortly after his Mother, had left him the house. He had continued to maintain the immaculate vegetable garden – and knowing of his interest, the miners had continued to give him seeds; letters were produced from as far afield as New Zealand and South America from long emigrated Welsh miners who thought of Maddog every Christmas and pushed a few seeds into a Christmas card for him. He kept them all. Neighbours traded bacon for vegetables.
The few miners who remained in the area, continued to call for Maddog en route to the mine, and he worked until the day he was 65, and collected his pension.
I was curious about the house, and my guide asked Maddog if he could show me. We entered through the back door, and the first thing I saw was the kitchen, brand spanking new, down to the blue cellophane covering the stainless steel sink. A perfect example of 1950s modern kitchen (economy version) right down to the electric cooker. Sited next to it was a bathroom – obviously never used. The sitting room and the bedrooms upstairs were as Maddog’s grandfather had left them, the family bible still on the bedside table – but all was freshly polished and spotlessly clean. One of the miner’s wives came in once a week and cleaned it all – with a bucket of water she brought with her – for the water supply had never been connected to the house again, it still ran to the garden shed.
Maddog, you see, had decided that he was happier in the environment he knew, and in the total absence of social workers or outside interference, his neighbours had respected his wishes. He slept on top of his bath – rarely used bath, I suspected. He was warm, he was financially independent, he was well fed, he was happy – and he continued to be protected by his neighbours and be a viable part of his little community deep in that forest.
I was very torn when it came to writing my report – it was my job to report what I had seen, but I was terrified that this might lead to the Nanny state interfering in Maddog’s life. Whether it did or not, I know not. I hope not. Nor do I know whether Maddog is still alive today.
You cannot imagine such a tale occurring today. A disabled man with profound learning disabilities working down a coal mine? An employer giving a job in such dangerous surrounding to so vulnerable an individual? Living in his garden shed? Never drawing a penny of his ‘entitlement’ as a victim of a cruel and heartless society? The Daily Mail would have a field day, the Guardian disappear up its own vortex. Today, Maddog would be living in a council run facility, drawing his full disability benefits, taken to the garden centre once a week in the council provided mini-bus; costing the tax payer thousands – and be profoundly unhappy.
I am not suggesting that as a result of the ‘cuts’, the disabled should all be usefully employed down the nearest coal mine – but I am saying that perhaps the gulf between being an employable member of society and being ‘disabled’ could and should be bridged without the divisive rhetoric we currently employ.
- Robert the Biker
October 16, 2014 at 10:32 am -
I think that a part of the problem is we have fewer ‘entry-level’ (or as I in my non PC way call them ‘mong jobs’) than we used to. A shelf stacker in B&Q needs to be able to drive a forklift; thats an actual licence nowadays. A building site labourer has all sorts of gear to wear and certificates to get for the most trivial thing, ‘elf n safedy innit’, no common sense required. Many of our assembly line style jobs, including call centre jobs for God’s sake, are offshored to save a few paltry quid. Dig ditches? Sweep streets? Thats a digger or sweeping wagon ticket thankyouverymuch.
Given this, and the able bodied being unable to earn a crust without competing with immigrant labour working cheaper for taskmasters and sleeping (literally) ten to a room and what hope is there for a Maddog. If it’s heartbreaking for a young person starting out, full facilities, strong right arm etc., what must it be like for someone in a wheelchair, all twisted up, profoundly deaf or severely epileptic. If Freuds idea would let people work without coming up against this pernicious value for money, I’m all for it. Preventing arrant exploitation should not be a problem and let them keep ALL the money as an adjunct to their disability claims; give the poor buggers back their self respect!
Labour? Fuck Right Off you knobends.- windsock
October 18, 2014 at 3:04 pm -
It would end up with a war on the minimum wage, which is already feebly enforced. In the end, you’d still end up with poor immigrants competing with the poor indigenous for who will work for the least and where will that leave your learning disabled person then? “Self-respect” for turning up and trying yo work for nothing.
There;s nothing to stop the disabled volunteering, or peer-group mentoring or doing all sorts of other valuable work and still keeping their benefits. That also gives self-esteem.
Self-respect is surely commensurate with the way you are treated by others. Even using the word self-consciously, “mongs” shows you don’t really get that.
- windsock
October 18, 2014 at 3:17 pm -
Oops sorry for the typos – must get reading glasses!
“trying to work for nothing”
“there’s nothing to stop…”
- windsock
- windsock
- right_writes
October 16, 2014 at 10:40 am -
A bloody good argument for small communities to work with each other, as a community. Tell me Anna, was this part of your job as a Court of Protection lawyer?
All that I have ever seen through my life, is the state getting bigger and the communities becoming disenfranchised…
And I reckon that although all politicians are guilty, the initial impetus that really drove this stateward drive, was the overtly political ideology of those that opposed Margaret Thatcher… Naturally, she being she… She whittled away at the powers that honest communities had benefited from, simply because a few of them were didligently working for the revolution and against local people’s interests.
No politicians should be able to have that sort of power, it is what happens when ordinary people do not eschew ideology which will inevitably strip local people of their differences.
- Joe Public
October 16, 2014 at 10:44 am -
A wonderful anecdote.
Maddog & his situation would perplex today’s Social Services into a state of apoplexy.
- Joe Public
October 16, 2014 at 11:53 am -
This posting Anna, demonstrates how fortunate we all are that you managed to rescue your archive after your recent IT ‘troubles’.
- Joe Public
- corevalue
October 16, 2014 at 10:55 am -
When I left school, back in the 60s, I got a summer job with the local council. It so happened that this job extended out to January. Anyway, I was the only “normal” person on the payroll, the rest of the personnel were what we now call “learning difficulties”.
One day when I was employed sweeping the autumn leaves (other times I did cess-pits, or gulley emptying), the foreman brought a man in his mid-forties to me, and asked me to look after him for the day. He further added that the man was a bit – and made a circular motion with his finger at his forehead – which I took to mean a bit crazy. The foreman next dropped to his knees and did the mans bootlace up, without a word. Getting up, he turned to me and said “Look after him well….”
We worked all morning, and at lunchtime I took him to a cafe, and told him to wait until I came back (I used to go home for lunch). When I got back, he was gone. Foreman and I spent the rest of the day cruising trying to find him. We never did. During the fruitless search, the foreman explained that his department was the employer of last resort, where the mentally subnormal were dumped. Whilst being sympathetic towards these people, he was right royally hissed off with the extra work to care for them.
On the other hand, for a few weeks I was posted with a couple of guys road-sweeping with an electric barrow. One was deaf, the other was dumb. I have never seen two such happy and hard workers in all my life. Between themselves communication was a series of winks and grunts, neither of them could have been employable in the normal sense in a factory or office, but in the open, no boss looking over their shoulders, they were amazing. The people of the area knew it too – there was a community respect for these two, passers-by always said hello, and you could see them walk a little lighter after- as if an invisible joie-de-vivre had been passed into them. These two, in spite of their disabilities, never failed to lift people’s spirits.
I left this job with a life-long belief in socialism, not the Maoist hard-line doctrine type, but the kind which recognises these people do exist, and society must ensure that a part of the profit, as it were, is put aside to care for them. If they can be found occupation, as in something useful for fill their time, that is the best medicine for them. My two companions on the electric cart? A few years later, gone, replaced by the road-sweeping lorry, which did only a tenth of the job and never cheered people up. Such a loss.
- Robert the Biker
October 16, 2014 at 11:51 am -
Seems to me that councils generally employ wonks (Russian: apparatchik) who exist more to tick boxes than solve problems; these people are mostly of a leftist slant. Come the day when it is PC to employ disabled people they will get a quota like blacks, asians, lesbians and muslims. On that day, being a wheelchair bound black lesbian muslim will probably get you made CEO without further ado.
- Ted Treen
October 16, 2014 at 2:27 pm -
“…councils generally employ wonks (Russian: apparatchik) who exist more to tick boxes than solve problems…”
As I’ve posted before, Robert, this situation was explained some time ago by the excellent author Jerry Pournelle, in his Iron law of bureaucracy
Iron Law of Bureaucracy
In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.Seems to be engraved on every leftie apparatchik’s brain
- The Jannie
October 16, 2014 at 6:24 pm -
Many years ago I did some work in Sheffield Town Hall – the eggbox for those in the know. I remarked at the time that Sheffield’s streets must be be free of ugly half-caste lesbian single mothers as they were all working for the council.
- Don Cox
October 16, 2014 at 6:27 pm -
What we get is the deadly combination of Pournelle’s Law with Parkinson’s Law.
It is a world wide problem.
- The Jannie
- Ted Treen
- Robert the Biker
- GildasTheMonk
October 16, 2014 at 12:05 pm -
That’s fantastic. Good luck to him!
The Freud debate is interesting. I was initially quite appalled by the reports. And then I heard an interview with the intelligent, loving father of a young man (well, 30 plus) with very severe “learning difficulties” who was emphatic in his support for doing whatever was possible to encourage an employer to get his son some work, some routine and contribution he would feel proud of. He castigated Miliband for point scoring.
I am not sure I have an answer, but there is too much posturing. - Mudplugger
October 16, 2014 at 1:06 pm -
The problem Freud was rather clumsily addressing is that the mandatory minimum wage is a very blunt instrument, with no room to accommodate any special circumstances, such is the way with a politburo diktat. But its very rigidity positively works against those with special circumstances.
When I used to recruit people, I engaged a number who had various disabilities, not because they were disabled but because I had a job they could do well and, at that job’s salary, they represented good value. To a man (and woman) they were all excellent team members, their occasional extra difficulties being absorbed and overcome by the rest of the team, who also recognised their value – that’s how society works.
But if I was recruiting now under the minimum wage legislation and faced with two candidates, one fully able and one not, I would find it hard to appoint the less able one, as that would invariably translate into a worse result on the scale by which my team management was measured and by which I was thus personally rewarded. If, however, I had the flexibility to pay, say 20% less, then I might make a different judgement about the relative value-equations of those two candidates, giving the disabled one a vital plus-point in the decision process.It’s hard enough for anyone with disabilities to participate in work, not only for the income but also for their self-respect: the over-riding presence of the minimum wage simply makes this less likely. Neither Freud nor I would ever sanction abusive, slave-level pay-rates but in the tough world of commerce, where employees are expected to deliver for their employer a net benefit over their total costs, then the lack of flexibility caused by this legislation will continue further to disadvantage those already disadvantaged. I prefer to believe that Freud was trying to address this situation but has merely been hi-jacked by the pre-election sound-bite mafia.
- Moley
October 16, 2014 at 1:21 pm -
My first proper job was at a large multi-national construction company. They employed quite a few people with both mental and physical disabilities, mainly in the post room. As I remember this was a requirement if you wanted to be allowed to bid for government contracts, not because of any altruistic inclinations.
- gareth
October 16, 2014 at 1:45 pm -
A mate of mine has Downs. I’ve known him since he was about 10 and he’s in his late 30s now. He lives with family so doesn’t need council “care”. He’s obviously not very bright but was well trained as a lad so he can tell you that it’s his birthday “soon”, or if England is playing football. He’s well known and liked and plays darts with the social club team, although numbers are a problem so someone else does the scoring.
He used to have a paying job under some scheme where a charity subsidized part of his wages. That, with his benefits, meant that he had money in the bank and enough to go on holiday twice a year and buy the occasional round. The charity scheme ended and with it, paid work. The problem is, the value of the work that he can do isn’t worth the minimum wage and it is illegal to pay him what his work is actually worth, so no employer is going to give him a job. He still works, and enjoys it, at a number of voluntary jobs, but with no pay his savings are dwindling.
I think it’s pretty obvious that a legal minimum wage means that there are fewer low paid jobs, and if your labour is only worth low pay there will be no job for you. Much better IMO to top up the income of people who are in low paid jobs than to prevent them from working and then have to pay benefits to support them. Unfortunately, this idea seems to politically incorrect so we’ll just have to cry “yah, boo” at anyone who mentions it and carry on with the existing system.- windsock
October 18, 2014 at 3:10 pm -
Don’t we already do that with tax credits?
- windsock
- Moor Larkin
October 16, 2014 at 2:33 pm -
Workers with a disability
If you are disabled you are entitled to receive the NMW, unless you undertake work-related activities for purely therapeutic reasons, with no contractual obligation to work or right to any payment or other reward.
http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/workers-entitled-to-the-national-minimum-wage- Frankie
October 18, 2014 at 11:00 pm -
You is correct…
- Frankie
- Ms Mildred
October 16, 2014 at 3:08 pm -
I had a work friend who paid her Down’s daughter in a proper wage packet, for working in her stables just across from the house. Her son continued this after she handed over the business to him. In practice she hardly spent any money as she had full keep at home. Later she did a little job packing simple items in boxes. She did not like working in the stables in the winter. Many of the maids and cleaners at the hospital I worked at came from a Barnardos just up the road. Some of them were not very abled mentally, but very pleasant, the place was kept very clean all over. I had a profoundly deaf ward maid/cleaner. She could read and had her own signing, some of which was rather lewd! She used to shout to herself ,which sometimes upset the mums, and I used to warn them that it was not someone having a row in the corridor! Oddly I think there was no seeming problem some 50 years ago in employing such staff. Ward sisters had to get comfortable with handling possible diffculties. Now there is the blockade of the minimum wage. So someone gets a slagging off from stupid twitter persons for clumsily pointing this out. We will have all this nonsense on the run up to election time I suppose.
- Moor Larkin
October 16, 2014 at 4:43 pm -
I worked one place where I met a guy and it was explained to me that he was a bit ‘slow’. I took him to be about 30. I later found out he was over 50! His face was completely unlined…. No worries I guess. He was incredibly strong but at the same time had no comprehension and once I was allowed to work more freely there, they explained to me that I had to be careful to only give this guy tasks that were safe for him to do. Apparently he’d ripped a muscle quite badly once because someone showed him a job and left him to it but some objects were so heavy, it was impossible for one man, but he tried to do it anyway… because that’s what he did, followed instructions. The other thing that we had to watch for was not to forget about him. One time, someone set him to a task and then went off doing something else. He was found hours later, just standing next to the completed job, patiently waiting for someone to give him the next task!
Now it’s reminded me that when the Min. wage came in, at first he was going to have to be “sacked” because no way could he merit the pay. His ‘responsible adult’ was beside herself. He had loads of money because he never spent any of what he did earn but she was aghast at “what will he DO?”. Eventually we realised that by not paying him at all, it was legal and we could keep him on. Gotta love the law of the land.
- Moor Larkin
- Jacqui Thornton
October 16, 2014 at 3:33 pm -
Here in Castle Point, the Salvation Army owns a large proportion of land. Back in 1891, William Booth had purchased 900 acres of farmland to develop a Farm Colony to help the poor, the destitute and the unemployed of London’s East end. He said “Every man who goes to our farm colony does so to obtain knowledge to enable him to play his part in the battle of life”
Today, that colony is thriving and a jewel in the crown of town of Hadleigh where it is situated. However, today it is dedicated to training and support of disabled and educationally challenged people teaching them skills, providing them with employment and boosting their self esteem. It is a vibrant, major part of the local community. Farmers markets, Rare Breeds Farm and Visitors Centre, Cafe and shop – it even played it’s part in hosting the 2012 Olympic Mountain Bike events, and all utilising the varying skill sets of it’s trainees.
I feel this short video addresses the topics being debated in this issue quite eloquently, and does so through the words of those who benefit most.
http://www.salvationarmy.org.uk/lne/Hadleigh_Training_Centre
- Hadleigh Fan
October 16, 2014 at 10:14 pm -
I know Hadleigh Castle well: painted by Turner AND Constable. The slopes down to the marshes are well known to geologists and civil engineers for their landslips. I visit it often, and when I can, go to the cafe run by the Sally Army. This farm colony which is adjacent to the castle does an excellent job for people who would otherwise find life a trial. The cafe is quirky, as you might expect, but the colony enables the people who work there to have a sense of purpose and value in their lives.
However, I doubt they earn the Minimum Wage!
- Hadleigh Fan
- The Blocked Dwarf
October 16, 2014 at 5:06 pm -
A slightly different prespective: My crippled (spastic) son , although possessing a high IQ, left school without much in the way of qualifications . Not by nature lazy -you try doing a paper round in a wheelchair on a Norfolk winter morn and having to literally crawl up some garden paths with the a ‘sleeps 4’ Sunday paper jammed under his arm (he is somewhat stubborn). But since becoming an adult and moving into his own subsidized flat the simple truth is HE CAN’T AFFORD TO WORK. He gets the maximum rates of ESA and DLA , he gets his rent paid, he gets free prescriptions. Any minimum wage job wouldn’t even cover his prescription charges and Council Tax. Also the moment he ‘admits’ he is theoretically capable of doing some form of paid employment , the nice people down at ATOS …..
- Hadleigh Fan
October 16, 2014 at 10:31 pm -
I used to work in an ex-Polytechnic, in a fairly senior role. There was a team of three guys who to be frank weren’t going to get Firsts in PPE, but who were out in all weathers clearing up students’ rubbish and moving things that needed moving, unblocking drains, sweeping up cigarette ends etc. I always spoke to them when our paths crossed. One day, I was entering the building in the company of the Vice Chancellor – a ‘leftie’, when I am anything but. I stopped to exchange a pleasantry with one of the cleanup crew. Afterwards, I was interrogated by the VC. “How do you know that man?” he asked – in a tone as if he was a Morlock.
“He works here, same as us,” I replied, “but I suspect he isn’t paid as much”.
- Ms Mildred
October 17, 2014 at 11:24 am -
I suppose if they tried to devise a system to pay the disabled, according to ability, below the minimum wage, it would be rendered untenable by those who cannot see that bribing the less abled to be helpless with endless payments and perks from the state, and interventions from social services, leads to extended helplessness that would not occure if work was more readily to be found for some of them. I suppose my friend would not be able to try and motivate her reluctant daughter to the discipline of getting up, dressing and meetings her friends and working at the same jobs as more abled people around her, if the minimum wage had to be paid. The only thing that motivated her Downs daughter initially was the idea of a wage packet…like everyone else. The first really cold winter and falling off a horse put paid to that. It worked for a number of years though. There is far too much knee jerk reaction on twitter and in MSM. It may deprive many disabled of real dignity, fostered by a job and a wage packet, even if below some decreed figure. Let them sit down and work this out without screechy hysterical pillorying of someone who probably means well.
- Cloudberry
October 17, 2014 at 12:36 pm -
“How can you say one set of human beings within our society should be paid less than another?… There needs to be a far broader discussion about what employment is, what your economic worth is. I’m employed. By the government’s own assessment processes, I’m counted as severely disabled.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-29639415
http://www.pennypepper.co.uk/- Wigner’s Friend
October 17, 2014 at 3:02 pm -
And I want to be paid as much as Rooney. The market has decided I am not worth that much as I can make myself understood but cannot kick a ball to where I want it to go. What he said was clumsy not malicious and has been leapt upon by those on the left even though it was proposed by left leaning organisations such as Mencap in the early 2000s. Hypocrites all.
- Wigner’s Friend
- Ms Mildred
October 17, 2014 at 6:07 pm -
To list what has been removed for the less abled.
Schools which had small classes and probably less bullying.
Remploy
Obligation to employ a certain number of disabled persons
Sheltered workshops. All about how good intentions can go astray. Anyone who can should be able to work. Have a pay packet, no matter what is in it, as long as they are happy and helped by doing some kind of work. Make friends and comfortable with what they are doing. Not political and not fodder for angry twitterati to pile in and monster somone who could have expressed more clearly what he meant.
- Dioclese
October 18, 2014 at 12:05 am -
People need to listen to the full question and the full response. This was a magnificent example of selective editing by the press…
- Wigner’s Friend
October 18, 2014 at 7:35 am -
And the left. Shows which is the nasty party now.
- Wigner’s Friend
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