Police Bail and the Innocent.
Cautious steps from the Home Secretary, Theresa May. She has ‘asked’ the College of Policing to ‘consider’ implementing a time limit on the length of time a suspect is allowed to be held on police bail in England and Wales.
One hopes she is actually referring to the total ‘spread’ of time during which the ’24 hour rule’ contained within PACE can be activated.
The ’24 hours rule’ was sold to us as a protection for suspects – they couldn’t be held at the police station for longer than 24 hours – but it has been turned into an instrument of control; there is nothing in the PACE regulations which stipulates how long ‘police bail’ can last, nor how many interviews the 24 hour PACE clock can contain. It could be 24 visits to the police station for one hour interviews, or indeed 48 visits for half hour interviews.
Now Paul Gambaccini has joined the long list of Yewtree suspects who have endured a year and more of innuendo, speculation, in some cases estrangement from their children, intense pressure on their families and marriages, an inability to earn a living in their previous career – and forced to sell houses and investments in order to fund their defence. The best they can hope for at the end of all that – as innocent men and women – is a mealy mouthed announcement from the Crown Prosecution Service that:
‘there is insufficient evidence to prosecute in relation to allegations of sexual offences made by two males believed to be aged between 14 and 15 at the time of the alleged offending.’
Even when they can’t build a fire – they like to puff a little smoke in your direction as a parting shot.
The judicial system has long been weighted against the innocent. In prison, those who appeal against their conviction because they are innocent – shall we take the unfortunate Sally Clark as an example, to take this out of the realms of ‘all men are guilty’ and the ‘jury has spoken therefore they are guilty’ – find that they are further penalised, above and beyond those who are genuinely guilty and accept that they are.
The prison service’s Incentives and Earned Privileges (IEP) system, initiated last November, means that maintaining your innocence can result in effective solitary confinement for up to 23 hours day, seven days a week – in addition to no personal clothing; no rented TV; hardly any possessions; virtually no access to money to buy telephone credit or stamps; limited opportunities to exercise, to phone family or even take a shower.
Sally Clark endured 3 years of this before she was able to prove her innocence – at which point she was booted out the door with usually an hour’s notice. No aftercare, no probation officer, no support system in place for those who have had the temerity to prove their innocence. Victor Nealon spent 17 years proving his innocence – he left prison with just £46 in his pocket and a lifetime of relationships and friendships irretrievably broken. Protesting his innocence of a rape charge – which DNA finally showed he was innocent of – had meant he had never been eligible for parole.
Dave Lee Travis has reportedly been left a broken man financially after his ordeal, Freddie Starr was undoubtedly physically broken. It will come as no surprise to learn that the biggest offenders of these long term ‘police bail with no charges’ incidents, are the Metropolitan Police, who run Operation Yewtree.
Obviously all allegations of sexual abuse need to be carefully investigated; equally obviously it is a slow and painstaking operation. Obviously, there needs to be a system of rewards for prisoners who address their crimes honestly and work at their rehabilitation.
Those two factors don’t need to result in such severe penalties for those who are innocent. The problem for the first group of ‘innocents’, those who have never even been charged, is that because they have not been charged, newspapers are free to speculate – and invite comments – on the nature of the ‘possible’ charges, choosing their words cleverly to ensure the worst possible connotation is taken from their articles.
It is argued that publication of investigation into an individual allows other ‘victims’ to come forward. So, why not publication – as in the form of the ‘court circular‘ which seems perfectly capable of allowing those interested in the movements of the Royal family to know their whereabouts and get themselves to the same place if they are interested – that would be a world away from the free-for-all ‘click bait’ which the newspapers currently indulge in.
It is a premature, and in many cases, totally unfair, form of punishment of innocent individuals.
Those who are charged, and have to spend hundreds of thousands on their defence, most certainly should be repaid their defence costs – it is completely unfair that a person’s life savings can be wiped out by one allegation without foundation.
Those who manage to prove their innocence from prison, should have a system of support – they are more, not less, deserving of support than those who are guilty of crimes. Nor should rewarding prisoners for good behaviour have to penalise those who are innocent.
The current ‘habit’ of the CPS of blowing a little smoke into the rumours surrounding those who have been released without charge, should be stopped immediately – it is quite unnecessary, and is merely PR on the part of an embattled CPS.
None of this in any way prevents the investigation of what may be horrendous crimes, nor should it. There is a lot that Theresa May could do to ensure a justice system that contains some justice for the innocent – she, and the government can move extremely fast when they are minded to.
‘Asking’ the College of Policing to ‘consider’ implementing a time limit on the length of time a suspect is allowed to be held on police bail doesn’t even scratch the surface of all that is wrong at the moment.
- Helga
October 15, 2014 at 12:33 pm -
Let’s not forget those who were not arrested and bailed, but still had to wait a very long time for a decision. One of the ladies in my group was not arrested or bailed, but she waited nearly 22 months after her “voluntary” interview with the police, before being NFA’d. She had a breakdown during that time, partly due to the wait and partly due to the fact that she could not work doing her ‘proper’ job (she works with vulnerable people) during that time. She did end up doing some form of office work with about half the hours she was used to working – hence her salary was a fraction of what it should have been. She then was unable to work due to her breakdown for some months – so no income.
She still is suffering from the breakdown, now has a serious speech impediment and severe depression and anxiety issues. The traumatic results of being falsely accused do not suddenly stop at NFA or at the prison gates when a wrongly convicted person is released. As we know, many NFAs are resurrected years later so some people have to go through the trauma over and again……
Helga
- Moor Larkin
October 15, 2014 at 12:39 pm -
* Those who are charged, and have to spend hundreds of thousands on their defence, most certainly should be repaid their defence costs *
From the CPS budget I hope. That would make them think twice. First whether to persecute and second how much to pay to their lawyer mates in the first place.
- AdrianS
October 15, 2014 at 10:15 pm -
Absolutely, and the cost of investigating historic he said she said crimes needs to be looked at, is this truly good use of public funds?
In the media this week they were talking about the spiralling cost of online fraud , with not that much being done about it, I rather see police spend there time on this than investigating some ageing celeb who is supposed to have grabbed some birds boob 20 years ago. Plenty of time for this investigation but no time to investigate Blair’s war which so many British and Iraqi lives either
- AdrianS
- The Blocked Dwarf
October 15, 2014 at 1:01 pm -
Aged 14 Youngest Useless Object spent over 6 months on police bail waiting to hear whether or not he would be charged with rape (he lost his cherry to a drunken 17 year old serial rape-alligatoress). That 6 months not only nearly destroyed him mentally and emotionally but us, his family too. He was fortunate that everyone in the neighborhood /school supported him – if they had ostracized him I really think he would have topped himself.
Even the DS assigned to his case was at his wits end trying to get a decision out of the CPS.
- Cloudberry
October 15, 2014 at 1:09 pm -
Even when they can’t build a fire – they like to puff a little smoke in your direction as a parting shot.
Hehe, nice description. The use of “allegations” and “alleged” doesn’t really make up for the “believed to be aged between”.- johnS
October 15, 2014 at 6:07 pm -
Not to mention the old favourite “we are not looking for anyone else in connection with this offence”.
- johnS
- Robert the Biker
October 15, 2014 at 1:21 pm -
OK, but you can play them at their own game, all the villains do after all:
Say nothing, NOTHING, without a solicitor present. Give no voluntary info, no help or cooperation and do not’accompany them to the station’. The response is “am I under arrest” “are you detaining me” “SOLICITOR”
NO Comment to any question or allegation, the burden of proof is on them not you. After the VERY FIRST question, in the presense of your SOLICITOR, you ask “am I under arrest? Otherwise, I am going home” They then have to decide to keep you for the 36 hours or let you go. DO NOT accept police bail, they either charge you or release you, you can only make yourself subject to their whims, they can’t do it to you.
If you get stuck in a cell, be as much of a pain as possible, ask for a doctor “I feel unwell” Myself I carry my heart medicine at all times, get yourself a useful ailment. Demand tea! Do not be impolite to the regular coppers or custody sergeant, this isn’t their fault, but make it clear you have no intent to roll over. No ‘little chats’ at three in the morning “Where’s my SOLICITOR”
The preceding was hard learned but also came mostly as the advice of a copper.- The Blocked Dwarf
October 15, 2014 at 1:30 pm -
THIS! I learnt the above the hard way. Last time I was arrested the Custody Desk went into melt down when they saw the 20 or so different medications I habitually carry (but they duly counted every single tablet in every single strip)…and my answer to the question about ‘dietary needs’ meant they got to choose between only holding me for a couple of hours or sending someone out , in the depths of rural norfolkshire, to find an all night garage that sold fresh produce.
Thing is though, my one caveat to Bob The Biker’s sound advice, a lot of Police stations now use a separate ‘Custody Suite’ run by Group Flaw or whatever they are now called. Try getting a cup of tea or a smoke break out of their guy at the desk….and you have to be writhing on the floor of the cell , foaming at the mouth and other orifices, before they will call a doctor.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Dioclese
October 15, 2014 at 1:28 pm -
I tend to think that if you don’t have a case in 6 months, then it is likely that you never will?
- Frankie
October 15, 2014 at 1:35 pm -
‘…Dave Lee Travis has reportedly been left a broken man financially after his ordeal.’
Um… wasn’t he convicted? He and several other ‘celebrities’ are currently convicted criminals, courtesy of the same Operation. Given the fuore over the (thus far unsubstantiated, so far as I am aware) allegations made against the late Sir James Vincent Savile, who has been turned in life from campaigning fundraiser to a man in death whose gravestone has been removed it is hardly suprising that others have found themselves in the crosshairs. Trial of celebrity by media seems to be in thing.
I make no suggestion as to the correctness of these allegations or whether or not they are appropriate or, indeed fair, but I think that public pressure gave the Metropolitan Police no option but to investigate, which they have done, presumably with full regard to the law in place at the time. PACE 1984 clearly imposes certain restrictions on investigators and, presumably, it is in the interests of both sides that any allegation is investigated fully and the truth of the matter established. The point of announcing that person ‘A’ or ‘B’ has been arrested in connection with allegation ‘C’ is to seek additional evidence/complainants that might bring more light to bear on the original matter, and that was the case in respect of Stuart Hall, Max Clifford and DLT himself.
Unless suspects were granted the same anonymity as accusers there is very little else that can be done when the CPS decide that a case should not proceed against an individual, other than to announce the fact. I agree, however, that the little sting in the tail implicit in that quoted above is unnecessary and mischevious.
It is not ideal and you quote some serious miscarriages of justice, to which I could add the matter of Barry George and many others, but I am not sure what they could replace the current system with that would be fairer to suspects. Perhaps the Home Secretary/College of Policing can come up with something better, we will have to see.
At this point Mr Ecks enters, stage right…
- Moor Larkin
October 15, 2014 at 1:55 pm -
* I think that public pressure gave the Metropolitan Police no option but to investigate *
Absolutely untrue. Operation Yewtree was underway before even the TV Show had been broadcast. Within days of the TV Show, Spindler was announcing “We’re coming to get you” and saying dozens of celebrities would be arrested. It was never dozens and most were never charged with anything. It was a police force out of all rational control and in direct cahoots with a media who were already known to have been in the habit of paying police officers for “information”, since 2003 as admitted in parliament. A vipers nest of corruption and diverse motivations. Nothing to do with the rule of law and Reason.
- Chris
October 15, 2014 at 3:02 pm -
No doubt about it, The Hairy Cornflake was targeted before any of this was made public, before even the publicity for ‘Exposure’ pre-empted this most contrived of ‘scandals’, and they subsequently pulled out all the stops until the ‘got’ him http://retardedkingdom.blogspot.co.uk/2014/10/dlt-tko.html
It is the case that his conviction represented a mere 7.5% “success rate” for our friends at the Clown Persecution Service, 1 charge out of 15. Yet they still mete out the cliches about “putting the victim through the ordeal of court”
- Chris
- Mr Ecks
October 15, 2014 at 3:47 pm -
Wasting your time talking to Frankie. The only way a sanctimonious idiot will ever learn is to have it happen to him. And he will know that all the other complacent Frankie-types who believe whatever crap they are handed will pontificate on blogs about how he must be guilty as charged cos a BRITISH COURT has convicted him.
- Moor Larkin
- Jonathan
October 15, 2014 at 1:40 pm -
The only way this gets beaten is Individual Accountability. No longer “police” in the media but the officer responsible, named. No longer the CPS but the actual official involved. These dodgy public servants are absolutely terrified of being singled out. And only the media – on and offline – can shame them and their behaviour. As has started to happen – Hillsborough, Plebgate, Hackgate. I notice that many of the named and shamed subsequently end up in prison themselves.
- Chris
October 15, 2014 at 2:57 pm -
Which has it’s pro’s & con’s – police officers now are generally given targets, and the dimmer or more ruthless the officers will do things the better offices won’t, but they all to a man (or woman) under pressure to deliver up a certain number of arrests, cautions etc. This started over 20 years ago whilst my Dad was still in Blunderside Police – he told his bosses he ‘was there to prosecute, not to persecute’ which went down like a lead balloon as you can imagine.
I’ve a feeling Individual Accountability will amount more to Individual Scapegoats, and that the more honourable would become fall guys for the ruthless target-hitters. The best case scenario would the dodgy ones wreaking absolute havoc before finally being ‘brought to account’. All in the name of ‘targets’.- Moor Larkin
October 15, 2014 at 3:35 pm -
I would tend to agree. “Hillsborough” bothers me. The “Police” were held responsible for failures when it happened, in the original Inquiry. This recent revival all seems based around some notion that because The Sun printed a pack of lies later, this meant the UK State had maintained these lies. That was never true. Nobody believed The Sun. Not even The journalists I’ll be bound. We also knew that a pertinent problem was that human beings were being herded into steel cages like cattle, and that if there had not been cages the mistakes of the police would never have had the consequences that transpired. Imagine the Bradford Fire with Enclosures.
Oddly enough, the attempts by The Sun to play some kind of dodgy Police Fed role may have been the first signs of those particular band of journo-brothers and the cops getting into some kind of mutual back-scratching mode. By 2003 Parliament was being told the cops were literally in the journalist’s pocket. And that Parliament just ignored the facts…. well, it was 2003 and there was a war they need to get on.
- Moor Larkin
- Chris
- Dr Evil
October 15, 2014 at 2:57 pm -
Am I being a bit thick here; but when Habeas Corpus kicks in can’t you simply tell them to charge you or let you go? You don’t have to accept police bail. They cannot remand you if they thought you harmless enough to have bail. So why am I wrong in thinking all this? I would really like to know the legal position because it simply cannot be this simple.
- Robert the Biker
October 15, 2014 at 3:20 pm -
It actually is very nearly this simple, BUT with a few caveats:
You must be brought before a court within a certain time (the habeus corpus bit, nowadays I think they handle it slightly differently)
Your SOLICITOR !!!! will argue that there is no case to be answered and that you should be released forthwith, the police will make you out to be the biggest gangster since Capone.
The police can ask for you to be remanded in custody (banged up) ubtil trial but unless they can show a really serious charge, danger of you absconding , threatening witnesses or re-offending, you will likely get court bail.
Bail may be on your own recognisance, you basically go off and appear for the trial if any, or it may be conditional; you may have to post a sum of money, surrender a passport or sign in at a police station at certain intervals. You may be subject to a curfew, forbidden certain places or contact with certain people, but generally they cannot simply make life hard for you. You do NOT have to accept the conditions, you can tell them to stuff it, go on remand (sit in a cell) and apply for a speedy trial.- Jim Bates
October 15, 2014 at 5:48 pm -
Hi Robert,
I wish I had known these things when the bizzies came calling on me. They came mob handed in an ARV, presumably for maximum effect on the neighbours. Unfortunately for them our nearest neighbour is well out of sight from my home. Anyway they arrested me and within three minutes whipped me away to a police station 25 miles away, leaving my wife (in her eighties) in her nightdress and no female police officers in the group. They then went through many years of files from work that I had done for the police. I assumed that it was all a mistake and the truth would soon clear everything up. I was wrong!
I refused police bail but was persuaded to sign a mini electronic tablet “to say that I had been told the bail terms”. Wrong again!
I was eventually released in the small hours and determined to start walking home. Happily after a mile or so I found an all night garage that let me make a phone call to my wife (I had no money and no phone). I carried on walking and within half an hour or so my son appeared and took me home.
I then spent nine months on bail with conditions preventing me from working or contacting my co-accused. The case was eventually NFA’d when a contempt of court action was begun against the Chief Constable.
I spent many years working FOR the police and even training them in forensics (at no charge) but when I took on defence cases I was suddenly a pariah. Happily my wife and I were both strong enough to withstand the pressure but my opinion of the police and CPS is unlikely to ever recover. I completely agree with all the points you made – and I would add DON’T TRUST ANYONE! Exercise your right to silence and don’t answer ANY questions without the presence of a reliable solicitor. Ignore any crap about silence being detrimental to your case; until you are charged and have seen ALL of their evidence how can you reply?These days if a policeman told me my name I would demand documentary proof, in triplicate, and a signed statement from my parents and the midwife before accepting it.
- Dr Evil
October 16, 2014 at 6:11 pm -
Interesting. Very similar to that neurologist woman who is being I think abused by the police because she changed her mind about shaken baby syndrome and started acting as expert witness for the parents and got quite a few off the charges. the police reported her to the GMC which is holding a kangaroo court. What pisses me off is that the police just want a result and not the truth or an innocent released but probably an innocent found guilty. This really really makes me very angry.
- Dr Evil
- Jim Bates
- Robert the Biker
- John.
October 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm -
Myself and another spent over three years on police bail (I should add for a completely different charge to the cases named in Anna’s piece).
I felt then, and still do, that the police use bail as a form of punishment and control, even though suspects are supposed to be considered innocent. Our charges (crim dam) consisted of only circumstantial evidence and, in the grand scheme of things, weren’t particularly serious. The routine was arrest> rebail> house/workplace raid > rebail >raid >rebail. Each time I was rebailed took 10 or 20 minutes off of the 24 hours allowed. The 24 hours finished and they got an extension.
The cases were dropped after repeat complaints to IPCC, abuse of power and harrasment. Spending so long on bail and repeat raids caused me far more upset and trauma than any possible sentence could have.
- Chris
October 15, 2014 at 3:29 pm -
This is true – in reality a persons punishment/incarceration begins the moment they are arrested. DLT was not allowed to broadcast or be seen on our TV screen (other than the News of course) from the minute The Met came a-calling (with half of Fleet Street waiting for them in a nearby pub car park) – so his two suspended is in reality four years, and for what?
A case happening “up North” right now (and set to continue for months) involves a man on bail for a year whilst the police trawled through his emails, phone contacts, facebook friends etc inviting people to make a complaint about him; re-arrested and held for days when he was charged – and then seeing the amount of charges he was facing almost double whilst he was awaiting trial. In my opinion, he’s already served two years.- Moor Larkin
October 15, 2014 at 3:37 pm -
You know Gary Glitter?…..
- Moor Larkin
- Chris
- ivan
October 15, 2014 at 3:41 pm -
I can’t help wonder just how much the millions spent on Operation Yewtree and the time involved by the CPS chasing aging celebrities over possible offenses could have been better spent sorting out the actual abuse of underage girls in Rochdale and the surrounding area. It is almost as if the CPS can’t/won’t go there for some reason – I wonder why, is it too big a can of worms for them to open?
- Chris
October 15, 2014 at 3:50 pm -
The aim isn’t ‘child protection’ though – the aim is the obliteration of the Rule of Law, to reach a position were the masses are clamouring for arrest, detention, prosecution, conviction and branding without evidence. I understand the train is almost arriving at that station.
- AdrianS
October 15, 2014 at 10:35 pm -
Much easier and nicer giving the treatment to ageing celebrities , who won’t fight back, than trying to prosecute ethnic groups that will.
- Chris
- Not Long Now
October 15, 2014 at 3:53 pm -
I take all the above on board, fair comment etc. But….
The ‘Old Bill’ have three main sources of evidence don’t they: physical, as in forensic; verbal account from an eye witness and finally admission from suspect. By definition, sexual offences have pretty much lost any chance of recovering physical evidence within a very short time. Again by definition, eye witness accounts are rare in sexual offences even where the parties are known to each other which, generally leaves admissions by the suspect. Since the PACE Act of1984 I imagine these are rare unless the suspect is overwhelmed by the strength of the first two.
So given the likely lack of the first two sources in historic cases, why do they pursue these cases? Only my logic but could it be because owing to political correctness and the mantra that the victim must always be believed (regardless of everything else) police must investigate or be pilloried for it, even though an objective short analysis should result in the decision that “this is going nowhere, forget it.”
Mix in the obsession that police are only doing their job if they achieve so many arrests and the pretense that the CPS are more interested in justice than cost per, therefore not performance orientated and I should think all this could have been predicted.
(Ducks head to prepare for incoming).
- AdrianS
October 15, 2014 at 10:37 pm -
And a fourth type of evidence—-planted
- AdrianS
- Johnnydub
October 15, 2014 at 3:59 pm -
Ivan… you nailed it. There’s real systematic abuse on a huge scale… and our Common Purpose schooled civil servants wont go near it, to the extent that I think there’s a prima facie case of malfeasance in public office to be answered.
It’s almost as if Yewtree was enacted, so that when Rotherham et al were brought up, it could be countered by “well what about Jimmy Saville” as if that negates the issue.
- Moor Larkin
October 15, 2014 at 4:24 pm -
Google “common porpoise” and see what you get as number one in the list.
Made me laugh anyhow.
Sounds like a Chicago gangster… it is a Chicago gangster as them dot-joiners like to babble……….- The Blocked Dwarf
October 15, 2014 at 7:23 pm -
Not just porposies (is that the correct plural?) but pandas too !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHhUWgwlkmo
- The Blocked Dwarf
- jS
October 16, 2014 at 1:29 am -
It’s certainly true that distraction has gone into overdrive. The very, very few white victims of the grooming gangs have been used to claim “It’s not about race” – which in itself is a distraction because I suspect most of us think it’s really about culture/religion rather than race per se.
The numerous Islamic grooming gang trials and investigations around the country are played down – or not even mentioned by the likes of The Guardian. Very conveniently a handful of individual white accused came to trial at the same time in Derby so that they could be portrayed as a non-Islam grooming gang – even though there was no evidence that they acted in concert.I don’t think for a second that Savile was fingered solely as an early distraction but cause celebres which really become huge tend to serve multiple agendas for multiple people and this aspect was certainly useful to the fans of medieval cults. Look at any forum when Islamic grooming comes up – there will almost always be someone who points to the Yewtree cases as some sort of non-Muslim equivalent.
- Moor Larkin
- Engineer
October 15, 2014 at 11:39 pm -
One does wonder whether the trend towards outsourcing government responsibilities to unaccountable (in the electoral sense) bodies is starting to backfire a bit. There are many Quangos that start out with all good intent, then seem slowly to morph into a rather nasty dictatorial mode. The CPS are one example, another would be the Environment Agency, the actions of which on the Somerset Levels were only brought to heel after serious damage to many livelihoods. HMRC is hardly a bastion of accuracy, dispatch and fairness in it’s dealings with the public, either.
Maybe it’s time for a proper ‘bonfire of the Quangos’; or at the very least making the senior figures directly accountable through the ballot box, as has already been done with Police Commissioners. Bureaucrats seemingly unsackable by either the public they serve or their supposed political masters will tend to abuse their power.
- Opus
October 16, 2014 at 12:36 am -
Almost all allegations of sexual abuse are fabricated.
- Moor Larkin
October 16, 2014 at 10:55 am -
I’ve come to the conclusion that the “historical” ones certainly are. Some folks got there long before me.
http://insidetime.org.uk/articleview.asp?a=213&c=memory_makebelieve_and_the_courts__whats_the_mischief
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
October 16, 2014 at 6:14 pm -
Just been reading that Liberty is recommending 6 months. Good to see them expressing an opinion. They’ve been notable mainly for their complete absence from this debate recently.
- Andrew Rosthorn
October 19, 2014 at 1:31 am -
Well, well, Anna, what do when the Daily Mail joins our quest for the truth? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798457/how-savile-s-niece-s-demand-compensation-led-police-fraud-probe-daughter-says-story-false-211-claims-vast-payments-police-investigate.html
- Wellwisher
October 19, 2014 at 2:49 am -
The police have abused their powers of Police bail in so many cases…it’s about time it changes!
http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/64885
- Em
June 21, 2016 at 4:07 pm -
2016 and still no change in the bail law.
- tdf
June 21, 2016 at 4:37 pm -
(1) Police bail abuses need to stop
(2) People have talked of waiving anonymity for accusers and/or permitting anonymity for accused. I do not support either of these proposals. Perhaps anonymity for suspects until charging would be reasonable?
(3) Statute of limitations – another vexed question. I propose a statute of limitations of say 20 years, but there should be a discretionary ability for police to waive in most serious cases.
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