Valuing Antiques – and the Great Pig-Iron Bubble.
A friend e-mailed me this week, asking if I could be of assistance in valuing some antiques for them. Years of ‘antique running’ taught me that there is only one answer to that question – they are worth whatever someone is prepared to pay for them.
Some items, like a mahogany chest of drawers, maintain a fairly stable value, rising in small increments each year. Two reasons, both connected. People have always found room for an extra chest of drawers inherited from Aunty. They were well made and they are useful. Even if you shove them in the back bedroom where they don’t spoil your new G-Plan interior decor. Thus there are a lot of them about. Most dealers have one for sale; so you can compare prices easily.
When you come to the more useless items to fit into a modern home, a little inventiveness is required, both in the pricing and the use you put the item to.
I bought a small steam boat, Lake Windemere style, once. I paid a price that matched the paltry cash in my pocket, with no thought of reselling – I lived on a riverside and thought it would be fun to own – it was a pain in the neck! I cursed and put an ad in Private Eye – the only place I could think of where I might net a buyer with a private lake and boat house who could make use of the damn thing. I put a ‘hopeful’ price on it, a mere thousand (!) pounds more than I had paid for it – and sold it the next day to a local man who turned up on my doorstep. The phone rang for the next three months, day after day, with Private Eye readers begging me to disclose the name of the man who had bought it – seems I had under priced it by several thousand pounds, and Britain was full of people with private lakes who had wanted it. You live and learn. Who knew?
When I sold the business, one of the items I was faced with disposing of, was a collection of circular iron pig-feeders. Two large, two medium size. I had paid a pound or two for them, drilled holes in the base, and placed the smaller ones on top of the larger outside the front door – a lick of paint, a little potting compost, a few begonias, et voila! Do we not have decorative Victorian garden planters? Nobody was fooled, and they sat there for years.
Ever hopeful that I might recoup my couple of quid investment in them, I heaved them into my pick-up truck and delivered them to the sale ground of the local auctioneer, where they sat amongst the tin baths, tractor tyres, and collections of ‘might-be-useful’ iron bolts, much to the amusement of the local pig farmers who had long since adopted modern feeding methods courtesy of the Common Agricultural Payments…
As the swarm surrounding the auctioneer moved slowly down the lines, it was noticeable that two well dressed ladies, straight out of Tory HQ right down to the Hermes headscarves, stood guard over the pig feeders eyeing each other balefully. The auctioneer finally caught up with them, rolled his eyes and hopefully enquired ‘what am I bid…’.
He probably didn’t expect an answer at all – certainly not a robust £50 delivered in cut glass tones. £55, £60…£70…£80…neither of those women would give an inch. The bidding war finally ended at £162, to my delight and a collective gasp of ‘strewth’ from the audience.
The following week I returned to collect my ill-gotten gains, and, I imagined, the effusive thanks of the auctioneer for having dramatically increased his commission. He was standing by the gate of the sale ground as I drove in, and far from rushing over to kiss me, he formed his hand into a ‘gun’ and aimed it squarely at my head.
Not quite the reception I had expected. Parking up, I began to understand his reaction. No sign of tractor tyres, nor tin baths – the sale ground was a sea of cast iron pig feeders, dozens of them, rusty ones, broken ones, smelly ones – every pig farmer in Norfolk had spent the week digging through his slurry pit in search of his ancient pig feeder.
I think the first one made 50p, after that it was a couple of hours of ‘No Sale’, ‘No Sale’ ‘No Sale’. Pig farmers sloped off with the exaggerated steps of the Pink Panther before they could be made to take their pig feeder home with them; the Porters groaned at the mountain of pig iron to be moved to the scrap heap before next week’s sale goods could be taken in. I hid.
The following week was little better – Suffolk pig farmers, always a little slower in these matters, had got wind of the ‘pig feeder bubble’ occurring in Norfolk. A dozen or so had managed to book theirs in before the auctioneer arrived on site and ordered ‘No more pig feeders’ – on pain of death. They didn’t even recoup the cost of the petrol to get them there…
How do you value a Victorian pig feeder? Is it worth the couple of quid I paid 30 years ago? The £162 I sold for 20 years ago, the 50p I might have got the following week, or nothing? The answer of course, is, as ever, hopefully a couple of quid more than you paid for it. Valuing antiques? Huh! Everybody guesses, everybody.
Searching for a picture to illustrate this stream of nostalgia – I found one for sale on e-bay. £125! Have Norfolk farmers gone digital in desperation – or has word only just reached Cambridgeshire?
- ivan
October 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm -
That wouldn’t have been the Acle sale yard by any chance? My sister told me that at one time they had a lot of old farm cast iron junk they couldn’t give away. She knew because one of her neighbors had the job of hauling it off to the scrap yard.
Also, thanks for a good laugh to go with lunch.
- Robert the Biker
October 7, 2014 at 1:34 pm -
This is found in all things, often driven by fashion.
Case in point:
Harley Davidson springer forks, stock till 1948, were quite cheap in the 40’s and 50’s, except if you had a pair from the VL model; these were an inch longer and had forged rear legs, hence they were $100 a set and up when standard were$20. Came the fashion for extended forks with choppers, the VL’s were no longer so sought after – couldn’t be extended see!
Same with the big petrol tanks off the FL’s, everyone wanted a small ‘peanut’ tank and the big tanks were ‘junk’; try finding a set of original 50’s ones now – hold on to your wallet!
Now. you can get a lot of the old stuff in reproductions, sometimes very hard indeed to tell from original – the fashion changed see! - The Blocked Dwarf
October 7, 2014 at 2:46 pm -
Aged 16 I started a YTS (remember them?) in the 2nd Hand Furniture game. My boss was a Islingtoner who had fled The Peoples Republic and come up to Norfolk to make his fortune Lovejoy (remember that prog?) style. Visiting the auctions was a major part of the job and he, my boss, gave me some good advice :”Kid, there are no grand-a-night tarts, just grand-a-night Johns-already (he was about as jewish as a Walls Banger)” -meaning that things don’t have an intrinsic value rather they are worth whatever someone else wants to pay for them.
- Dioclese
October 7, 2014 at 3:01 pm -
From personal experience, folk can be a bit slow in these parts…
…but never slow to latch onto an opportunity to make a few quid!
- theyfearthehare
October 7, 2014 at 4:09 pm -
yet another tale of pigs, with their snouts in a trough. This time literally rather than metaphorically
- Peter Raite
October 7, 2014 at 5:15 pm -
There are a couple of films I collect memorabilia for, particularly publicity photographs, and have thus been monitoring eBay for over a decade. Generally stuff goes for what I would expect it to go for (whether I buy it or not), and occasionally there are real bargains. What is annoying, though, is when some seller pops up out of nowhere and prices something in the magnitude of between three and ten times what comparable examples have gone for previously. They invariably go unsold, and they resolutely refuse to drop the pricce, but a knock-on effect is that every other new seller the appears subsequently, follows their over-pricing. Sometimes it can take months for the market to subside to “normal,” but occasionally some idiot pays an idiotic price, which just prolongs the lunacy.
- Robert Edwards
October 7, 2014 at 5:18 pm -
The moral of this tale is that timing is more important than price. But well done, though!
- Joe Public
October 7, 2014 at 7:40 pm -
As those UK viewers who watch “Bargain Hunt” will know ‘Valuing Antiques’ is is an imprecise art AKA “a guess”.
The number of times their ‘experts’ get it wrong exceeds the number of times their ‘experts’ get it right.
- JimS
October 7, 2014 at 10:54 pm -
‘Bargain Hunt’, where the competitors buy retail and hope to make a profit selling wholesale!
- Peter Raite
October 8, 2014 at 2:27 pm -
More like they try to make a smaller loss than their competitors!
- Peter Raite
- JimS
- therealguyfaux
October 8, 2014 at 3:26 am -
I seem to recall a milestone-anniversary retrospective of the Antiques Roadshow in which one of the presenters discussed how sometimes, an item is chosen for the broadcast because it is well too common and hence, not particularly valuable absent certain features that add to the unusualness of it; they wish to alert prospective sellers of such items not to get their hopes up too high for a lucrative deal. Supposedly, according to this “war story,” one week, some old gent shows up with some hunk o’ junk, and gets the “If it were like this, you could get x quid, but if it were some other way, ten times as much, but it would depend on condition, wouldn’t it, yadda da, yadda dee….” treatment from the expert– to which our gent replies to all the wiffle-waffle, “So basically, you don’t know SFA what it’s worth, then.”
- Peter Raite
October 8, 2014 at 2:31 pm -
I love the occasions when the expert joyfully enthuses that they’ve never seen an example of the item in such a excellent condition, they’re usually in much worse state, etc., and that they could see it going for at least… £20!
- therealguyfaux
October 10, 2014 at 2:50 pm -
Straight outta the American version of Pawn Stars, where the main pawnbroker takes a look at something and says, “Hmmm! A genuine pair of Benjamin Franklin’s bifocals– that’s a rare item, you know– ehh, five bucks, highest I go on this deal…”
- therealguyfaux
- Peter Raite
- T B Hall
October 8, 2014 at 2:45 pm -
I was walking through Camden passage near Angel a few years ago with my wife when we were approached by some TV antiques show (Bargain hunt? I don’t know but something like that) by a well known presenter.
Rushing over to my wife, he exclaimed how much he liked her ear-rings, and proceded to tell us both a huge amount about them, the style, age etc. My wife and I looked at each other (as she had received the ear-rings from my sister the previous year and discussed their origins), before she rather tersley asnwered “they’re from Accessorize”.
Needless to say, the presenter stuttered, and we were ushered on to sign a (by now completely uneccessary) release contract thing. Made me chuckle!
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