Tin Foil Hattery.
“With their money, they took control of the world media, news agencies, the press, publishing houses, broadcasting stations, and others. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the world with the purpose of achieving their interests and reaping the fruit therein. With their money, they took control of the world media. They were behind the French Revolution, the Communist revolution and most of the revolutions we heard and hear about here and there. With their money, they formed secret societies, such as Freemason, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others in different parts of the world for the purpose of sabotaging societies and achieving Zionist interests. With their money they were able to control imperialistic countries and instigate them to colonise many countries in order to enable them to exploit their resources and spread corruption there.”
That quote might have been taken word for word from any one of hundreds of ‘conspiriloon’ sites, where keyboard warriors gather by night to pound away, with the caps lock firmly on into the wee small hours, their theories that we are all controlled by Zionists and Rupert Murdoch.
I could say they are all astro turfing for the long vilified Nazi ideology; it is almost word for word the contents of anti-Jewish propaganda distributed by the Nazis during World War ll. They are more up to date than that.
It is article 22 of of the ‘Covenant’ that Hamas published in 1988.
It is a strange thought that so much of the trollery that escapes from dark corners of the Internet with its talk of New World Orders and Bildenbergers is actually propagating Hamas’ guiding Covenant.
But then the EU is apparently quite happy to spend our money supporting Hamas:
Hamas send rockets into Israel to further their ‘Islamic’ aims of destroying the Jews – we send money to ‘confidential’ private individuals to buy cement and building materials – to repair the response.
‘Somehow’ the cement gets used to build more tunnels under Israel. Was that tunnel EU funded?
More rockets are fired into Israel. More tunnels dug. When Israel finally retaliated and entered Gaza on a mission to destroy the tunnels they discovered a labyrinth of tunnels containing thousands of weapons, Russian anti-tank missiles, explosive devices, and large amounts of tranquillisers, handcuffs, syringes, and ropes – and that 19 out of 28 houses in one street alone were wired with bombs ready to explode should an unwary Israeli soldier enter in search of a tunnel. Three of the Israeli soldiers killed were blown up by an explosive device when they entered a building designated as a United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees.
The Internet has exploded – daily pictures are sent into your time-line of severed heads and dead children. But the Internet took no notice of the rockets exploding in Israel. It wan’t interested. Now it is consumed by a desire to have you retweet evidence of ‘Israeli genocide’.
The media, the supposedly ‘Zionist controlled’ media, camps out in the Shifa hospital, ready and willing to use pictures of children with bandages round their head – but fails to point out that they are there because it is the best place from which to obtain information and stories from Hamas – their headquarters are directly under the hospital.
The media, the supposedly ‘Zionist controlled’ media, daily report the ‘terrible civilian death toll’ but fail to mention that there is no such thing as a ‘non-civilian Hamas soldier’. The US photographer Tyler Hicks, dutifully camped out in the Shifa hospital, said:
“There are funerals, there are people being rushed to the hospital, but you can’t differentiate the fighters from the civilians. They are not wearing uniforms. If there is someone coming into the hospital injured, you can’t tell if that’s just a shopkeeper or if this is someone who just fired a rocket towards Israel.”
One blogger has actually pored over the daily casualty figures published by the Palestinian Centre for Human Rights and shown that casualties are disproportionately amongst young males of between 20 – 40 years of age. Precisely the demographic that you would expect to find amongst Hamas’ claimed ‘15,000’ soldiers.
An implacable ‘enemy’ of Jews that puts its headquarters under a hospital, that wires the houses of civilians to booby traps, that stores its spare munitions in UN schools?
And a supposedly ‘Zionist controlled media’ that can barely mention this, instead recanting the anti-Semitic ravings of the Internet?
I am deeply confused – who is telling the truth?
- Moor Larkin
August 7, 2014 at 12:19 pm -
In other news, the triumph of “Human Rights” has been spelled out as achieved for Cambodia with the conviction of two 80+ year-olds for “Crimes Against Humanity”. No mention of course that the Khmer Rouge policies were a natural conclusion of theoretical Socialism and the repetition of the actual practices of Communism wherever it flourished. Those who would have pursued the same goals as the Rouge forty years ago, now pursue their self- sainted “Human Rights” philosophy.
It’s all about finding new and interesting ways of making us all believe that the truth is as black and white as the newsprint.
- Mrs Grimble
August 7, 2014 at 12:30 pm -
I think we should treat any “information” from this conflict with due scepticism – both sides are using propaganda. For example, there are reliable reports that Israel is paying students to spread the party line on social media (which accounts for the number of drive-by pro-Israeli commenters – first-time commenters who don’t stick around to debate – I’ve been seeing lately on various forums).
I’m not disagreeing that Hamas are evil enough to have their HQ under a hospital (although one medic working there apparently says no) but just advising caution in dealing with this whole mess. Dunno about you, but I look at reports about this conflict and just want to scream “STOP IT – NOW!” at the screen.- GD
August 7, 2014 at 12:52 pm -
This is the propaganda age. It would not cross my mind to take either side in any conflict literally.
In my opinion the State of Israel was founded way out of line and has not improved since, but that is not even trace evidence of any “Zionist Conspiracy for World Domination” of any duration. (If such a deep and efficient conspiracy existed, somebody remind me, just HOW did the Nazis get the better of them so resoundingly?)
Equally, it does not seem very likely to me that Hammas are far too busy qualifying for sainthood to ever do, or say anything questionable. If I were a Palestinian in Gaza you can bet your life I would be fighting as dirty as I had to, and how dirty that would be would make your eyes water. I doubt if those “on the spot” lack similar commitment.
- JuliaM
August 7, 2014 at 3:55 pm -
GD: “If I were a Palestinian in Gaza you can bet your life I would be fighting as dirty as I had to..”
Really? I take it you don’t mean to get Hamas unseated and vote in a moderate party like Fatah?
- GD
August 7, 2014 at 4:59 pm -
@JuliaM I told you what I would be doing if I were a Palestinian in Gaza, subject to the terms and limitations of that condition. Guided entirely by the rights and best interests of a Palestinian in Gaza.
Conciliation is something I have no talent whatsoever for and leave to others if only in the earnest hope of avoiding somehow becoming the cause of WWIII…
- Moor Larkin
August 7, 2014 at 5:40 pm -
@GD
Spoken like a true Irishman from Boston USA circa 1976….- GD
August 7, 2014 at 6:37 pm -
@Moor – not sure how to take that, but reasonably sure that I should take it as a compliment whether or not that was the intention.
- Stewart Cowan
August 8, 2014 at 11:32 am -
@DG I took Moor’s comment to infer that you are as ignorant and beligerant as Boston’s IRA financial supporters. Maybe you think it is a compliment being compared to people who helped murder dads in front of their children and kneecapped others just for being the ‘wrong religion’.
- Stewart Cowan
August 8, 2014 at 11:33 am -
@GD even.
- Stewart Cowan
- Stewart Cowan
- GD
- Moor Larkin
- GD
- del
August 14, 2014 at 12:16 pm -
You may find reading ‘The Falsification of History” by John Hamer would answer at alot of questions for you.
- Moor Larkin
August 14, 2014 at 12:25 pm -
Bloody hell……..
According to John Hamer, the Masonic ritual murder of four prostitutes was carried out by Winston Churchill’s father, Lord Randolph Spencer Churchill, 1849-1895 (left.) The prostitutes were blackmailing the royal family.
http://henrymakow.com/jacktheripperwas.html#sthash.r0UDDHE2.dpuf
- Moor Larkin
- JuliaM
- GD
- Jeremy Poynton
August 7, 2014 at 12:40 pm -
1. A UN official confirms that Hamas use UN facilities on Gaza strip from which to attack Israel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvaZ1a9wW3Y2. Hamas assembling a rocket launching facility in a civilian area
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_fP6mlNSK83. Hamas cleric: We will “exterminate” the Jews “until the last one”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJNdDzweqbY4. UNWRA in Gaza run by Hamas
http://sultanknish.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/the-unrwa-is-hamas.html5. Hamas fighters moving about Gaza in UN ambulances
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7wiu6V-J98 - Alexander Baron
August 7, 2014 at 12:51 pm -
You don’t have to accept all you read about Hamas in either the mainstream or social media to condemn the over the top (to put it mildly) response by Netanyahu and his gang of murderers. Israel was born in terror, including against the British at the time they were fighting a war against the Nazi menace, so don’t expect me to sympathise with it on that count.
The full extent of Zionist and Jewish influence in the Western media has long been documented, first by “anti-Semites”, later by anti-Zionist Jews who said more or less the same thing, and now by mainstream Jewish scholars. You can argue this influence and power is good, bad or indifferent, but no reasonable person can argue it does not exist.
- Moor Larkin
August 7, 2014 at 1:31 pm -
I think the Balfour Declaration stemmed from when we were busy fighting the Kaiser and hoping to curry favour with Russian jewry….
The United Nations created Israel after the UK refused to co-operate with American ideas. The surrounding Arabian nations seem to have largely created what we have now.
“On 29 November 1947, the United Nations General Assembly voted (resolution 181) to partition Palestine between a Jewish and an Arab state, with Jerusalem under an international regime. The Jews agreed but the Arabs did not. They called the declaration of the State of Israel “al-Nakba”, the catastrophe. Inter-communal fighting had preceded the declaration and after it, five Arab armies invaded. By the time of an armistice in 1949, the Israelis had extended their territory, leaving Jordan with the West Bank, Egypt with Gaza and Jerusalem divided. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians had fled or had been driven out.”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7381315.stm - The Blocked Dwarf
August 7, 2014 at 2:47 pm -
” over the top (to put it mildly) response ”
Seems pretty measured and proportionate to me. But then again I probably wouldn’t be as charitable as most Israelis seem to be if someone was firing rockets into my back garden…people trying to kill me and mine tends to piss me off and make me forget myself. I doubt that in 1945 any survivor of the Blitz thought that Dresden was a bit OTT or would have considered Butcher Harris to be a murderer. Being on the receiving end of high power ordnance does tend to skew one’s sense of proportion.
- JuliaM
August 7, 2014 at 3:56 pm -
+1 for The Blocked Dwarf there!
- JuliaM
- Backwoodsman
August 7, 2014 at 8:15 pm -
Eh ! presumably you forgot the entirely disproportionate influence of the bbc, who for years have notoriously and openly shilled for Hamas and co ?
- Moor Larkin
- Joe Public
August 7, 2014 at 1:10 pm -
There appears to be a greater number of (emotive) photos distributed by Hamas claiming to show Gazan victims, which are subsequently proven to be from other conflicts, than misinformation photos distributed by the Israelis.
…………. Or it could just be that Mossad’s mis-attribution hacking skills are better than Hamas’s……..
- Wigner’s Friend
August 7, 2014 at 2:25 pm -
Anna,
“I am deeply confused – who is telling the truth?” I think the answer to that question is: “Nobody” and I particularly consider the UN reps on the ground to be frugal with the actualite. I’m with those of you screaming “STOP,”, but when one side has declared genocide as the aim, that is not going to happen quickly. It’s a sad old world but, hey ho, Boris is standing and that is far more important to the UK press.
- Mudplugger
August 7, 2014 at 9:36 pm -
Rather than ‘nobody’ telling the truth, they’re all telling the truth, except it’s their version of the truth – but each side has enough blindly-committed adherents and external supporters who are prepared to believe their own side’s ‘truth’, however unlikely that may seem to the more objective among us.
Amidst all this truth/spin, it is probably quite appropriate that the Quartet’s Middle East Peace Envoy is one Tony Blair – now there’s a bloke who knows only too well the techniques of spin and their application in the creative manipulation of messages. But he seems to be keeping his head down lower than a nervy Palestinian camel-herder right now – strange that.
- Mudplugger
- Carol42
August 7, 2014 at 3:14 pm -
I wish someone could tell me why so many seem to hate Jews? I went to school in an area with a large Jewiish population, it taught Hebrew so there were many Jewish pupils including my best friend. I never found any difference. Also wonder why they is little reporting on the hundreds of thousands of civilians being killed in Syria and Iraq? Is it ok if it is Muslims killing Muslims or Christians? Can someone enlighten me?
- JuliaM
August 7, 2014 at 3:57 pm -
It’s because the press isn’t controlled by Jews, but by bloody left wingers!
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 7, 2014 at 4:57 pm
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Duncan Disorderly
August 7, 2014 at 4:05 pm -
All conflicts hit the news big time then fade away unless something massive happens. Was it just a few weeks ago that Baghdad was about to fall to ISIS? What came of that? The Ukraine conflict was massive, then nobody cared, then MH-17 got shot down and everyone cared, now nobody cares again.
- GD
August 7, 2014 at 5:11 pm -
I have always been pro Palestinian and I always will be…
…BUT…
I certainly do not hate Jews in the least, and the nor does the Middle East does not hate Jews particularly either, that is a fallacy. To be a Jew and to be an Israeli are two very different things.
A significant number of people in the middle East either unconcerned with or opposed to the state of Israel are, in fact, Sephardic Jews, some of whom hold positions of power and influence. I understand that, effectively sovereign, Iraq may have been the only country willing to accept Jewish refugee ships from Germany without restriction during WWII.
The conflict in the middle east has nothing whatsoever to do with hating Jews.
Personally I abhor Zionism as a variation on blinkered elitist extremism.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 7, 2014 at 6:11 pm -
“To be a Jew and to be an Israeli are two very different things. ” that sentiment is rapidly becoming the ‘some of my best friends are Jews’ of our age. No, I’m not inferring you are in any way an anti-Semite but you are perhaps unaware that that phrase is now the darling of the LeftWingSSers.
Although, funnily enough the first time I heard that phrase was out of the mouth of a former Major in the Israeli Paras and a survivor of the camps.
Long and short, no matter the Rights & Wrongs of the whole Israel/Palestine ‘thing’ (and I personally think the world might well have been a safer pace if Israel had never been resurrected) there can be no justification for Hamas firing rocket after rocket into Israel or sending hit squads through tunnels. I’m not saying the Palestinians aren’t ‘oppressed’ by Israel but unless Israel was sending cattle truck loads of Gazians (?) into Camps with Hebraic numbers on their forearms , there can be no righteous reason for such actions of sickening ‘self defence’ and no call for voting for those who do.
- GD
August 7, 2014 at 6:47 pm -
@blocked dwarf I am committed to saying what I actually mean without the slightest interest in who else does, or does not use similar terminology. The fact that I have been fervently anti right wing all my life (possibly a very different thing to being left wing these days? I am not sure) is pure coincidence.
A lot of the people who actually fight these conflicts hold views that are far more impartial than those who do not.
You do also realise that the Israelis are consistently doing exceptionally nasty things to the population of Gaza? (You don’t SERIOUSLY think the Israelis are not firing rockets into Gaza and denying it?)
What on earth is so special about the people of Gaza that they are expected to “be good sports” about that and not fight back?
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 7, 2014 at 7:50 pm -
“You do also realise that the Israelis are consistently doing exceptionally nasty things to the population of Gaza? ”
I have seen little evidence of nastiness , exceptional or otherwise, in recent times BEFORE the present conflict and I’m pretty sure the hand wringing MSM would have reported any such. Certainly nothing that would even halfway justify ‘fighting back’ (and by inclination I’m with David Koresh on the subject of Home Defence). Rather I see a defacto State free to choose to elect terrorists/freedom fighters and enjoy seemingly unlimited supplies of Weapons and Weapon’s Grade good will from the woolier minded.
I’d sure hope that Israel does do the odd ‘covert’ (ie LIE) ‘surgical rocket strike’ or even drone reaper strike in Gaza, Netanyahu would be failing in his duty to protect his peoples (of whatever ilk) if he didn’t. Just like I’m pretty sure he has direct contact with some of Hamas’ leaders (did anyone SERIOUSLY think the UK.Gov wasn’t talking to the IRA for years?) and for the same reason. Just like I’m sure that the nastier ‘wet’ elements of the Israeli Special Forces/Shin Bet et al all have active ‘Kill Squads’ operating in Gaza 24/7/365 (Sassmen in Ireland, remeber them?) and for the same reason.
- GD
August 7, 2014 at 8:00 pm -
These differences of opinion occur when some of us only dismiss one side of the story as propaganda.
The SAS don’t have a terribly good rep around here…and I know pretty much every side of that story far better than I would wish.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 7, 2014 at 8:18 pm -
Sorry, perhaps I was unclear. I was a card carrying member of Sinn Féin and still hope in my little Green heart that Gerry Adams will be the first PM of a United Island Of Ireland (*snork at self delusion*, not in this lifetime it won’t) so I’m no fan of what Crown Forces got upto in NI and elsewhere during the troubles and I still believe those SAS men who were lynched were set up for a killing. But I’ve worked with enough former Special Forces (including Israeli) to know that they aren’t the psychopaths they are often portrayed as being by whatever side is on the receiving end of one of their covert strike teams. Just as those Hamas hit squads emerging from their Sponsored-By-Western-Liberals tunnels aren’t EVIL MURDERERS and JIHADISTS (chances are there is a shit stain the entire length of that tunnel cos using Scared Teens to do your evil bidding never goes out of fashion).
I’m damn certain that if Regev says ‘ Boker Tov’ then he’s lied twice already.
- GD
August 7, 2014 at 9:04 pm -
@blocked dwarf …very pleased to note that you do not have any hopeless ambitions to change the opinions I have formed over decades by intensively telling me off after all.
I have to be honest, any Government sponsored “special forces” I have ever encountered *do* seem to be complete psychopaths…and if they were not to start off with are often deliberately conditioned to be…but that would be nationality independent, they all seem to live in a little world all of their own parallel to ours…and give me the terminal creeps.
I was a big Sinn Fein supporter in general, and Gerry Adams supporter in specific until my nose was literally thrust into the fact that they hit the ground running as a fully fledged, utterly corrupt contender in Southern Politics and local government. I don’t think Gerry deveived us, I think he actually changed, but that is a personal gut feeling I have nothing to substantiate.
At this point I still believe passionately in a united Ireland, but I also believe that if you want something doing without staggering levels of corruption in Ireland you need to do give Sinn Fein a wide berth and do it yourself…
All I can offer in mitigation is that I have ALSO come to learn that, far from being “just like my Northern Dentist” the DUP are so stark raving malevolent they make “The Wicker Man” look like a sane alternative…
The trouble with any conflict is that “scared teens” are cannon fodder anyway whether you let them fight back or not – it is *ALL* horribly wrong, no one should grow up in those circumstance and someone always will have to, but probably bear more resemblance to an actual life with the adrenalin running…
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 7, 2014 at 9:21 pm -
I was passionate about The Cause until , with increasing maturity (supposedly), I realized just about the last thing Ireland needed was yet another Brit Proddy with an Opinion. Fortunately around that time a dose of terminal Common Sense broke out among yon warring factions and everyone agreed to put down their armalites and AKS and get on with the more profitable business of dealing drugs or riding the EU gravy train. At least that’s how I remember it….and I have the IRA “Undefeated Army” TShirt and Pogues albums to prove I’m as Oyrish as cricket itself. Begorrah! L’chaim! Prost Genossin! (I share your opinion of the DUP btw, *LOL @ “Wicker Man”*).
- GD
August 7, 2014 at 9:36 pm -
There is also the tiny weeny matter that, in the end, Sinn Fein sold Republicanism out…in return for what, precisely, is unclear…
…but I would see the Dachas alongside Lough Swilly as a clue…
I have always had this really simplistic view that you JUST DO NOT chop a bit off a little island and hang on to it which was significantly exacerbated by discovering just how obnoxious Unionists tend to be…
The last straw for me with Sinn Fein was that little dickhead from Birmingham jumping up in the Dail and making a great rambling speech wrapped around the core argument that we need to criminalise the purchase of sex because that is what the men of 1916 would want.
To which all I can say is that if they had said that at the time the Ladies of Monto would never have risked their lives hiding so many of them along with their armaments, and, frankly, would probably have banned the lot of ’em to boot.
- Wigner’s Friend
August 8, 2014 at 7:39 pm -
I think we need to recognise that the only reason the IRA/Sinn Fein began to negotiate in earnest was that the dupes in the US who were providing material support (the Boston mob et al), and those in power in the US turning a blind eye, were brought to their senses by the events on 9/11. Without this support the “struggle” was unsustainable.
- GD
- The Blocked Dwarf
- GD
- The Blocked Dwarf
- GD
- The Blocked Dwarf
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 8:14 am -
“Anti-Semitic” is a successful use of propaganda- a phase that can be trotted out and has been used successfully for decades now. It’s been used against me because I support the Palestinians.
But how can I be ‘anti-Semitic’ if i support certain Arabs. I am factually being pro-Semitic as all Arabs (and Palestinians) are certainly Semitic but if you follow the long history of Jewish tribes, not all Israelis by a long shot are Semitic.None of this matters except it examples how language has been used to either silence Israeli government policy critics.
- gunker
August 9, 2014 at 6:27 pm -
I love it how this “argument” keeps popping up in these sorts of discussions. Regardless of what the term meant or means if broken down into its components, the term anti-semite now means anti-Jew and all major dictionaries have it as such. You may argue that it shouldn’t have changed, but that is the nature of language.
- Moor Larkin
August 9, 2014 at 7:24 pm -
Like arguing that sex with 14 to 17 year-olds is not paedophilia or that people alleging rape are not, per se, victims.
- Moor Larkin
- gunker
- GD
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Joe Public
August 7, 2014 at 7:14 pm -
@ Carol42
“I wish someone could tell me why so many seem to hate Jews? ”
Because so many think their sky pixie is better than anyone else’s sky pixie.
- The Blocked Dwarf
August 7, 2014 at 7:59 pm -
or because so many think that *their* sky pixie is the ONLY skypixie in Skypixie Land…in whose image we are all made?
One day I hope God will finally get pissed off with all those claiming to speak in her name.
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 8:24 am -
I cannot recall encountering any hate for being Jewish in Britain, the USA or Australia in all my life. (although when I was 18 I was accused on a Spanish beach of being a “an Aryan specimen Hitler would have loved” presumably because they thought I was German and got to the beach early.
I have been fired from doing work for one Jewish organisation when I criticised Israeli government actions in Gaza.
I have encountered plenty of hate for Israeli governments, Tory & New Labour governments and Republican & Democrat presidents.
The most hate I have encountered is from other Jews who have used the tired old label “self hating” , a term never used (and how stupid would it sound?) if you criticise any other government’s policies.
Imagine being called “self hating ” if you said Cameron or Miliband were fools ?.Language is powerful and used to great effect by Israeli propaganda units, just as the British & Americans (& of course the Nazis) have been masters of it in the past.
- The Blocked Dwarf
- Michael
August 7, 2014 at 10:44 pm -
“…For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord.’”
Matt 23:39The problem of being a chosen people in a world which increasingly rages against Yahweh. Exterminate the Jews and they can’t make the leap to Messianic Judaism. Hence they will never cry “Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord”. Hence no return of the King and no final judgement.
- Ho Hum
August 7, 2014 at 10:53 pm -
Come on. Even allowing for Chiropteric effluent conspiracy theories, even the Devil is not that stupid
- Ho Hum
- JuliaM
- JuliaM
August 7, 2014 at 4:02 pm -
Meanwhile, in ‘The Lancet’, rebuttals of letters written by terrorist sympathisers masquerading as doctors? Oooh, no thank you!
- Wigner’s Friend
August 7, 2014 at 4:54 pm -
And http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100282699/isiss-slaughter-of-the-yazidi-is-a-new-rwanda-happening-before-our-eyes/ has been largely unreported.
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
August 7, 2014 at 5:23 pm -
Sure, but there are no Jews involved. Nothing to see here folks, move along…….
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
- Wigner’s Friend
- Edward
August 7, 2014 at 5:01 pm -
I do not know whether this is a fake, but there is a web site (http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/8076.htm) claiming to be re-publishing Hamas Interior Ministry guidelines for social media reporting.
Following are excerpts from the guidelines:
“Anyone killed or martyred is to be called a civilian from Gaza or Palestine, before we talk about his status in jihad or his military rank. Don’t forget to always add ‘innocent civilian’ or ‘innocent citizen’ in your description of those killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.
“Begin [your reports of] news of resistance actions with the phrase ‘In response to the cruel Israeli attack,’ and conclude with the phrase ‘This many people have been martyred since Israel launched its aggression against Gaza.’ Be sure to always perpetuate the principle of ‘the role of the occupation is attack, and we in Palestine are fulfilling [the role of] the reaction.’
“Beware of spreading rumors from Israeli spokesmen, particularly those that harm the home front. Be wary regarding accepting the occupation’s version [of events]. You must always cast doubts on this [version], disprove it, and treat it as false.
“Avoid publishing pictures of rockets fired into Israel from [Gaza] city centers. This [would] provide a pretext for attacking residential areas in the Gaza Strip. Do not publish or share photos or video clips showing rocket launching sites or the movement of resistance [forces] in Gaza. - GildasTheMonk
August 7, 2014 at 5:01 pm -
Once again, the Boss goes where most fear to tread
- Dioclese
August 7, 2014 at 6:14 pm -
Stop firing rockets in to Israel and building tunnels to infiltrate their territory and you might just fine the Jews don’t attack you.
An excellent article, Anna. Media reporting is decidedly one sided. I know what I’ll be telling the DEC when they come for my money as well! Since when was this a ‘natural disaster’?
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 8:28 am -
So you ignore history also?
When in the past have people stopped fighting for their land?
You may as well tell Iraqis to acquiesce to ISIS demands so they don;t get their heads chopped off.So easy for all of us to sit behind keyboards and pontificate on world events and paint them as black and white.
- eric hardcastle
- Ho Hum
August 7, 2014 at 6:15 pm -
Sorry, can’t find the original interview – think I saw it on USA TODAY – but you’re not likely to find it, or anything quite like this, in the UK media
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/Default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=24780
I’d have put in more references, but for the single url limit. The interview with him in The Algemeiner re Amnesty’s report February Report, on the situation as it was then, is hardly going to make him friends of Snackbar patrons either
As for credentials, and potential for bias, well, his Wikipedia entry could be read as implying that there is at least just some chance he might have some objectivity and integrity, and probably know what he’s talking about, too. Not, sadly, that the MSM seems to value those too much, these days…
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 8:35 am -
You seem easily pleased if one source does it for you.
Do you always accuse those who do not have the same point of view as “Snackbar patrons”?. Sounds like a cheap & demeaning insult to me written with an air or superiority of someone who considers their ability to Google greater than others.And I can point to a 100 video reports from people with as much “objectivity and integrity” who say the complete opposite. Such as this one.
“We are Israeli reservists. We refuse to serve.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/07/23/we-are-israeli-reservists-we-refuse-to-serve/
- eric hardcastle
- Cascadian
August 7, 2014 at 6:27 pm -
Hamas Chief of Staff Muhammad Deif, during the current Gaza war, Operation Protective Edge, announced: “Today you [Israelis] are fighting divine soldiers, who love death for Allah like you love life, and who compete among themselves for Martyrdom like you flee from death.”
Seems only neighbourly for the Israeli’s to facilitate their wish. So why the outcry? Personally I am amazed at the restraint and care Israel has taken to avoid civilian casualties, that they have not been 100% succesful must surely be attributed to the Hamas cowards cowering amongst the general population.
The phoney palestinians are the most stupid people on earth, wholly existing on handouts from others, their Arabic “brethren” in surrounding states want nothing to do with them, even Egypt after many years of tacit support have now disowned them.
As to the landlady’s confusion, I do believe that a default position should be adopted that whenever an “imbedded press” report is issued from Gaza it can be safely ignored as Hamas propoganda designed for the gullible, Obumbler, Camoron and the UN.
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 8:38 am -
I know a handful of Palestinians but you must know all 5 million of them to conclude they are all “phoney” and “the most stupid people on earth”.
I can however think of many non-Palestinians who I know for sure are stupid.
- eric hardcastle
- Tom Watkins
August 7, 2014 at 6:28 pm -
The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/kabd_eng.html - delcatto
August 7, 2014 at 8:26 pm -
Having experienced rocket fire in to Israel on one occasion, albeit from hezbollah rather than hamas, I can well understand the Israeli response. I have no time for hamas whose leaders remain safe far away from any action whilst encouraging civilians to remain in the war zone & become ‘martyrs’ for the cause. There is propaganda from both sides but I just do not believe any of the crap from hamas. I have also given up listening to or watching any BBC news reports because the bias is wholly one way in favour of hamas.
- TomO
August 7, 2014 at 8:35 pm -
Actually the EU spend of your taxes in Gaza – according to Richard North – who’s reliable / obsessive about this sort of thing is :
Gaza “aid” 2007-13 is €858,851,642 – That buys an awful lot of cement and rebar.
That’s nudging a billion Euros without democratic oversight. Just like Ukraine…..
- Cascadian
August 7, 2014 at 9:28 pm -
why on earth are European citizens putting money into ‘private and confidential’ hands?………….because that sounds better than bribe or graft. Which also explains why the fund is CONFIDENTIAL, all capitals, note also the delude EU believes Gaza is a European neighbourhood-geddit?
May as well ask-how did Yasser Arafat get to be a billionaire?
- TomO
August 7, 2014 at 9:39 pm -
“May as well ask-how did Yasser Arafat get to be a billionaire?”
Among other things – it certainly had something to do with cement / concrete …. Fateh border guards used to “tax” every construction vehicle entering Arafat’s fiefdom ….
I see G. Galloway Esq. has announced Bradford is an Israel free Zone -‘ees a charmer ain’t ‘ee?
- Mudplugger
August 7, 2014 at 9:40 pm -
But surely it will all become clear when the EU’s accounts are audited ………. oh dear, I forgot for a moment that the EU’s accounts have not been signed off by the auditors for the past two decades, so we’ll never know where all the rest of our cash went either.
- TomO
- Engineer
August 7, 2014 at 9:52 pm -
Didn’t we send Tony Bliar over there to sort all this stuff out?
- Fat Steve
August 7, 2014 at 9:58 pm -
Well Anna as always a critique that goes against the flow but I am not sure that I quite buy into it. I think its probably common ground for many who visit the Raccoon Arms reasonably frequently that the MSM is not necessarily the best place for reliable info —and it is slowly loosing its grip on controlling information —-and as that grip weakens so does the consensus that it has traditionally managed dissipates. I have a rather different view on the present Gaza conflict and it goes something along these lines. The MSM may well still have adequate control to ‘stitch up’ a dead man such as Jimmy Savile –well just about though not totally given the existence of places like the Raccoon Arms I am not saying Jimmy Savile is innocent or guilty just that the internet is a source of alternative information the reliability of which may be good or bad. If in due course Savile is not found to have been quite the awful predatory paedophile it will not be because the MSM has suddenly developed a taste for the truth rather than sensation. But within the context of the internet what chance of the MSM giving a received wisdom about a conflict such as Gaza? Just a little difficult to control information when there has been four weeks of bombing and shelling what with the ability to post video on the web five minutes after the explosion takes place. The joy of the web is not that it is a source of truth but that it is a forum that is coming to perform a check on the MSM—the fourth estate traditionally has less checks on its power than the other three but the web may be changing that—-if it wants to retain any credibility it has got to take a little more care —it poses the question why has the MSM changed its tune on Gaza —because of a change of heart or because it can’t do otherwise with the internet. Don’t misinterpret what I am saying that the truth is suddenly out in the MSM —-just that the scope of being economical with the actualite. Oh and (spelling)—the option of being overly selective might be narrowing. Oh and please don’t get me wrong about my knowing about the merits of any conflict in the Middle East —I comment not on that just on possible reasons why MSM reporting may have changed
- TomO
August 7, 2014 at 10:33 pm -
Just because it’s on “The Internet” does not mean one suspends critical faculties.
I have traveled throughout the Middle East for work over 35 years – and one thing I do know for sure – is that honest reportage from that part of the world is the exception rather than the rule. The idea that local people can say what they think in public is also an alien concept in many, perhaps most counties in the region. I don’t think that the internet has changed this that much.
As to the UK anglo-sphere – well, editorial direction and guidelines are handed down from on high – more now than ever since the footsoldiers are fewer and by and large of lower calibre.
In the meantime – this is something to chew on
- TomO
- stephen lewis
August 8, 2014 at 9:55 am -
I suspect many confuse the concept that all Jews have other Jews interests at heart .. or that all Muslims have other Muslims interests at heart or that all Christians have other Christians interests at heart.
There is a band at the top of each sect and they give the impression that they have “your” interests … they do not. They are content in using the devout following of the sheeple to their advantage in their avaricious intents. They use the historical issues to ferment the hatred until they have achieved their goals. It worked for the IRA leadership and the protestant leadership who managed to maintain a hatred from a small minority for 100 years +.
Most people are content to live with others – the only caveat is if those people have similar standards and do not impede on each other. For example most Catholics and Protestants have similar values and are quite capable of living with each other but still innocent people are killed by a very small minority. That minority is influenced and driven by an even smaller number who use prejudice to motivate their misdeeds whilst keeping their own hands “clean”.
This is almost certainly happening in Israel … Many Jews believe that the upper echelons are acting in their (the general populous) interests … they are not – they are acting in the upper echelons interest and have complete disregard for the lower levels .. and so are Hamas.
Muslims believe their religious leaders – as do Christians (albeit we also believe our political masters) , we believe they are acting for us – they do not give a fig about “us”. They have always been happy to use “us” as cannon fodder (and I mean this literally as well as metaphorically), recent times have conned “us” into thinking this is confined to history. It is not.
There seems little we can do other than let the idiots follow whilst we steer our own course … often a lonely one. - Stewart Cowan
August 8, 2014 at 11:39 am -
Simple, yet brilliant piece of deduction, my dear Raccoon. It is very common in ‘conspiracy’ circles to blame everything on the Jews because they are the big banksters and the ‘sheeple’ who think they are now awake are goaded into hating them by ‘alternative media’ disinfo agents to keep the attention away from who is really organising the global government: the Vatican and in particular the Jesuit Order, perhaps?
- Sigillum
August 8, 2014 at 1:32 pm -
I listened to a British woman on the radio this morning. Since her name was plainly of Middle Eastern origin, perhaps it would be more accurate or at least a more rounded description to say that she was a British woman of Middle Eastern heritage. She and some fellows had installed themselves as “human shields” (her words, not mine) in Gaza’s main hospital, and were working in shifts to stand ready for martyrdom. When probed about her reasons and the efficacy of this her answers seemed curiously monotone, matter of fact, and to a degree, drilled. It was put to her that Hamas had broken the most recent cease fire.
Her response was mechanical. No they haven’t, she said. Israel is blockading Gaza, that is an act of war, therefore Israel has never participated in any cease fire, and therefore any cease fire was unilateral on the part of Hamas, therefore…
Leaving aside any semantic or philosophical issues which I have with that argument, she seemed to me to be robotic, brainwashed to a degree of utter thoughtlessness. The underlying intellectual sub texts were many. One was implacable, unrelenting hatred of Israel. Another was what one sees time and time again in present conflicts, a pornographic love affair in Islamic ideology with victim hood, martyrdom and death. And I considered that without a miracle of truly biblical proportions it would be about as much use negotiating with a person like that as it would be negotiating with a vending machine.
My understanding is, and I accept that the establishment of the State of Israel caused real injustice to people already living in that area at the time.
However, my understanding is that the State of Israel was founded with UN sanction, and in no little degree in response to the Holocaust. For both reasons I consider the State of Israel to be a legitimate entity. It is also one which although decidedly left leaning in some ways, has a basic commonality with democratic and cultural values such as the rule of law and democracy.
I accept that Israel unfairly extends itself repeatedly with settlements.
I accept that on occasions the Israeli defence forces do act with unfair brutality, because young men given military training and weapons will do that, however disciplined the force. But I do not accept that is the ultimate mindset of the army.
I accept that Hamas is popular in Gaza. I understand that as a social organisation it does a lot of practical good work.
However, I regard Hamas as an inexorably violent organization which has a hysterical attachment to the destruction of Israel, and in the meantime to firing rockets into Israel to kill randomly.
I also accept that Hamas is more than ready to maximize the number of civilian casualties by any means possible as part of a propaganda war, and if that means citing its fighters in, on, or around civilian sights, or even encouraging civilians to gather round them, then it regards that as a means to an end.
I do not regard Hamas and its ideologies as consistent with the values of a civilized society as I would define it.
I can accept that in a war – and this is a war – accidents happen and that will result in civilian casualties. I can even accept that in some incidences the Israeli actions may have been disproportionate.
However, if an organization like Hamas started lobbing rockets into Manchester or London or Leeds – something which some adherents to its mind state would certainly want to do – then I would expect my government to deploy a military response of the most “robust” means, and if that meant sending in tanks and aircraft, I would expect that to be done. Especially if just 70 years ago millions of my kith and kin were being murdered and over the intervening years the country had been attacked in war threatening its survival on a number of occasions.
The tunnels are not built to allow Palestinians to go shopping at Tesco in Jerusalem. They are built – and I have no doubt with a significant diversion of external aid funds intended for reconstruction – to enable militant strikes against Israel, its army and its civilians.
So on the whole, my view is that if you don’t want to have Israeli tanks on your lawn, don’t fire rockets or plan attacks. In the meantime, people are shattered and killed. Will it ever end? Probably not.I have good reason to
- Sigillum
August 8, 2014 at 1:37 pm -
Sorry for the last bit. Bad typing. By the way, I am willing to be corrected on all and any of the above. Unlike some of the combatants in this nasty war, I am open to reason – at least I hope.
- Sigillum
- eric hardcastle
August 8, 2014 at 3:11 pm -
Of course there are tunnels beneath Gaza and it’s a well organised industry with tunnel owners and workers but most are used to bring in supplies form Egypt. There is an Israeli blockade of essentials which in other times is considered an act of war. I’m sure the English would be fuming if they were blockaded.
As for “Russian anti-tank missiles” etc (although bizarrely none of these alleged anti-missiles have actually been fired yet – something the Israelis would have screamed about by now), the ferocious weapons used against Hamas (whose firepower is basically cobbled together and hand built and 100s they send towards Israel turn out to be fizzers)…are supplied by the USA yet this seems to be one aspect that concerns people not a jot.
If the US (aided by Israel) hadn’t meddled & manipulated events to destroy Fatah, Hamas would not have arisen. But as usual , as we now see with ISIS in Iraq, everywhere the US meddles things go pie-eyed.
And are any of us still shopping at Frank Lowy’s Westfield centres now springing up all over Britain?. He was considered a terrorist by the British when he lived in Israel.I wonder what people would expect Britain to do if France invaded some coastal land in Sussex or Kent, booted out the residents and bull-dozed their houses to build settlements for French farmers. What they be surprised if a Dad’s Army sprung up to fight for their dignity?
Fierce Israeli right wingers like Ariel Sharon wanted Israeli to give back the occupied territories , not for compassionate reasons but for obvious ones- he knew Palestinians would fight to the death to get them back. Instead Israel now has the worst, the most reactionary and far right government that is showing no mercy.- Cascadian
August 8, 2014 at 7:27 pm -
And Eric Hardcastle wins the prize for ignoring facts and the most deluded post.
With infant school-levels of comprehension it would be obvious that the Israelis have been concentrating their efforts to destroy tunnels between Gaza and Israel, these tunnels are not constructed for commerce but terrorism, the tunnels between Gaza and Egypt are reportedly now filled with sewage courtesy of the Egyptian government who have belatedly decided that Hamas is no friend of anybody who is sane. The “essential items” you allude to-would that be food and medical supplies? Those are still entering Gaza through Israeli checkpoints-even during the current “blockade”. Or are the “essential supplies” smuggled arms from Libya? Perhaps you meant electricity-no, could not be, because that is supplied by Israel. So what are these “essential supplies”?
Then we have the normal blame USA childish diatribe, even when the progressives get their boy Obumbler they cannot help but use their reflexive nonsense.
I too wonder what the good citizens of Kent and Sussex would do if the UN mandated it were now a new country- say, Kentishmen-celebrate I expect at their freedom from a bankrupt non-entity. But I jest, the indigent population of what became Israel were accorded full citizenship or could move to Trans-Jordan, those on the West Bank seem reasonably well-adjusted and moderately prosperous, they can vote and live peacefully. I wonder what is so different about Gaza-could it be they have a propensity to follow nutters like Hamas and Yasser Arafat who are only concerned with delusions and self-aggrandizement.- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 5:38 am -
Why do you publish deliberate lies about me?
Where in my posts do I blame the USA?.
I point out that the USA supplies far superior fire power to the Israelis. That is reality. There is nothing in any post I make that says I balme the USA.So you are inaccurate in just reading this board and defame a poster on your imaginary interpretation.
- Cascadian
August 9, 2014 at 9:31 am -
“everywhere the US meddles things go pie-eyed” sounds like blame-mongering to me………..to be completely correct should have been …..everywhere the halfrican princess meddles things go sideways.
But never mind, ignore the real issues and have a hissy-fit. I don’t think disagreement quite reaches the bar of defamation, but we are used to Hamas lovers poor use of English and over-wrought language.
- Cascadian
- eric hardcastle
- Cascadian
- eric hardcastle
August 8, 2014 at 4:22 pm -
Moshe Feiglin, the deputy speaker of the Knesset’s call for the ethnic cleansing of Gaza.
Feiglin got 23 percent of the vote in a contest for the Likud Party leadership. He is popular. He was appointed to his current high position by Benjamin Netanyahu.
This is his proposal for Gaza:a) The IDF [Israeli army] shall designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated, far from the built-up areas that are used for launches and tunneling. In these areas, tent encampments will be established, until relevant emigration destinations are determined. The supply of electricity and water to the formerly populated areas will be disconnected.
b) The formerly populated areas will be shelled with maximum fire power. The entire civilian and military infrastructure of Hamas, its means of communication and of logistics, will be destroyed entirely, down to their foundations.
c) The IDF will divide the Gaza Strip laterally and crosswise, significantly expand the corridors, occupy commanding positions, and exterminate nests of resistance, in the event that any should remain.
Any other powerful leader making such a speech to their Parliament would be roundly condemned by Obama, Cameron, Miliband, and so on.
The silence is deafening.- Moor Larkin
August 8, 2014 at 7:56 pm -
I guess that so long as 77% keep voting against him, we have no need to fear too much…..
Israel had withdrawn all their military forces before Anna even made this Post, so that seems pretty good evidence that it was the tunnels they were after. Some of the “overwhelming force” was probably in order to minimise the Israeli casualties, a not ignoble policy for a military power to employ when asking it’s young people to fight for their country. Some of the West’s angst about the “disproportionate response” puts me in mind that they might prefer the WW1 approach where the soldiers go over the top in some great game of glory where the other side must be given a fighting chance, what-ho.. The next best thing to no war is a very short one.
- Sigillum
August 8, 2014 at 8:30 pm -
I’m in the Moor Larkin camp on this one. As above:
” The tunnels are not built to allow Palestinians to go shopping at Tesco in Jerusalem. They are built – and I have no doubt with a significant diversion of external aid funds intended for reconstruction – to enable militant strikes against Israel, its army and its civilians.”
It is a war, not a scuffle at a night club. This is what happens when war breaks out. Each side uses all the force it has. Israel has the military advantage at the moment, but if the boot was on the other foot most of Israel would now be in ashes and its people dead. It is very easy to end. Stop firing rockets. But fanatical Jihadists don’t have an “off” button.
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 5:29 am -
“It is very easy to end. Stop firing rockets. But fanatical Jihadists don’t have an “off” button.”
So in fact if France invaded British property and booted out the residents you would say do nothing. Odd coming from a country that got right behind Margaret Thatcher when she made war on Argentina when they moved in to the Falklands.
Part of the hideous real racism that has been adopted by so many is:
1. The Palestinians should not do what the fuck they like on top of their own ground or beneath it.
2. It’s all Hamas’ fault for firing rockets into Israel even though Israel is ethnic cleansing Gaza by removing the population, bull dozing their homes and installing Israeli farmers in their place. Palestinians should just wait until Israel magnanimously hands back the occupied territories, (sit on their hands and probably wait generations for something that will never happen)
3. Palestinians should simply ignore the fact they are blockaded- by sea and by land and now the hideous wall that surrounds them. That vital supplies are difficult to get (often only via these tunnels )
4. Israel responds to attacks ( and why shouldn’t the invaded attack ? When in history has an invaded nation not fought back?) by the claim Hamas use “human shields”. This would be like saying it was right to bomb the whole of London because their were British infantry there during WW2. It is collective punishment and nothing else.The infamous tunnels claim has simply been adopted like a mantra by all who couldn’t possible know and it ignores reality : they are built under Palestinian land for Christ sake. If they emerge in Israel , Israel can block them.
The tunnels are of 2 types- some are built by Hamas. the majority are built by Palestinian businessmen who employ numerous people in smuggling.# I can recall a great friend, now deceased, Saudi prince (born from the ‘1st wife’ which meant he was important) telling me as long ago as 1980 that Saudi Arabia and Israel were firm partners in eradicating the Palestinian people by forcing them to flee to places like Jordon as they wanted Israel & Saudi to have a ‘buffer zone”.
I have a few Israeli cousins who cut off contact with me years ago after calling me “self hating…” etc. It is impossible to have a conversation with many Israelis- they have a fixed mentality that Gaza and Palestinian land should be theirs no matter what it takes to get and how long. Generations if need be.- Cascadian
August 9, 2014 at 9:36 am -
Why so hysterical, Hamas fighters love death, good neighbours that Israel are they supply it free of charge. Everybody wins!
- eric hardcastle
August 11, 2014 at 1:37 pm -
What an utterly revolting claim .
I’m amazed that on this forum which does so much to try and dispel the media’s mendacity, that their appears to be a suspension of disbelief that the Israelis (quite apart from what Hamas or the Palestinians may say) do not propagate their own propaganda.
The claim re:
“discovered a labyrinth of tunnels containing thousands of weapons, Russian anti-tank missiles, explosive devices, and large amounts of tranquillisers, handcuffs, syringes, and ropes ” are repeated on numerous forums including the Sydney Morning Herald in a column by their right-wing resident nutter Paul Sheehan ( Sheehan fell into disrepute some time ago when he actively fpistered “Magic Water” ( plain tap water sold with magic properties for ten times the price) upon an innocent public
http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/stories/150402_s2.htmWhy is that people seem to simply accept what comes from Israeli spokesmen as gospel? Even to the point of ridiculing me for even pointing out that they have them as though it’s some sort of fantasy.
# Paul Sheehan is one of those journalists who has accepted numerous trips to Israeli paid for by the Israeli Information Service. Likewise numerous British politicians (and from all over the world ) and journalists have accepted Israel’s largesse but what makes them unique is that they all come back singing from the same song sheet and producing sentences like the one above re: Russian arms,handcuffs etc etc including Sheehan who channeled Ms Raccoon with an almost identical sentence:
” but the stockpiles: thousands of weapons, Russian anti-tank missiles, explosive devices, and large amounts of tranquillisers, handcuffs, syringes, ropes. ” etc etc and so on.
Although Sheehan has had to make a number of corrections ( run in the SMH) that included a claim that said tunnel was booby trapped and killed 3 IDF personnel..something that never happened.
https://newmatilda.com/2014/08/11/paul-sheehans-claytons-clarification-gaza-booby-trap- eric hardcastle
August 11, 2014 at 1:46 pm -
Clarification re the clarification : the IDF claim was about a building and not the tunnel in question.
perhaps that tunnel is the same one I have seen at least 3 diffirent US networks tour with the IDF.Why don;t they show us all these others ones?
- eric hardcastle
- eric hardcastle
- Cascadian
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 5:54 am -
It is not a scuffle in a nightclub. It’s a war over land.
It’s what wars have been fought over for 1000s of years. One side has taken the other side’s land and they want it back. All the claims made on here and elsewhere obscure the reality with bizarre claims that fit a mantra : mad wild-eyed Arabs who rampantly attack for no good reason.
An entire nation of Palestinians are defamed as somehow being able to either encourage or stop Hamas.It’s like saying all Irish people should have shared the blame for the IRA & Loyalists.
It is a form of racism and it ignores realities & complexities of the area.I point out that a prominent Israeli MP supported by Netanyahu makes an inflammatory speech to the Knesset just days ago setting out how Palestinians must be driven from Gaza via a long campaign and it’s ignored by the world’s media insists who insist on harping about the original Hamas claims ( from a previous leader now deposed) saying similar as though one is evil and the other not.
One speech is ignored, the other dredged up time and time again.I’m beginning to believe the claim Netanyahu’s psychiatrist did commit suicide after years of treating the man.
- Moor Larkin
August 9, 2014 at 11:43 am -
@Eric
I was reading some calmer analysis that Moshe Feiglin was actually talking about paying the Gazan’s to leave. He claimed 80% of them wanted to leave “the strip” anyway and one Israeli policy could be to facilitate that. His “camps” were suggested as an interim measure, whilst they waited for a boat to somewhere else. It’s obviously barking as a policy for 1.5Million folks, but far from the pogrom version you claim, although I have no doubt that if anyone tried to expedite such a theory then it would rapidly become a disaster. Netanyahu’s actual actions are a million miles away from that policy – the point being of cours that Israel could actually try to do it, if they wanted to, so the fact that they don’t even try, is a QED. They just want their neighbours to stop shooting at them.It might be moot as a comparsion that Pakistan and India have maintained a shooting war since 1948 when their borders were set up by the post-Empire map-makers. West and East Pakistan fought a short war, with Indian involvement before Bangladesh became it’s own nation. Much the same seems to have de facto happened between Israel’s “Palestininan” neighbours. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict Maybe it’s time for an international recognition of a 3-state solution.
- Moor Larkin
- eric hardcastle
- Sigillum
- Moor Larkin
- Ian R Thorpe
August 8, 2014 at 9:53 pm -
You may have noticed a certain similarity in style between the propaganda war over Gaza and the propaganda war over Flight MH17 (America’s ‘compelling evidence’ turned out to be social media chit chat, Russia’s evidence was at least evidence but videos and photographs are so easily faked these days. So we still have no idea who was responsible although the evidence is tilting towards Kiev.
I myself have been guilty of adding to this melee by promoting the Russian side of the argument, mainly to wind up some particularly rabid World War Three shills in my blog community. I don’t think the plane had hit the ground before they were screaming “It were Putin wot done it, we must declare war.”
Almost all the news we hear or read these days in propaganda, either political campaigning or marketing puff aimed at manipulating public opinion.And who is behind this flight from reality. The New World Order of course
Is it however wise to be dismissive of the NWO when figures as diverse as David Rockefeller, Francois Mitterand, Arthur Schlesinger, Dr. Henry Kissinger, Vannevar Bush (founder of Rayethon), Tony Blair (cue dies irae chanting), Winston Churchill, Dwight Eisenhower, H G Wells, Lyndon Johnson and plenty more you will find HERE have all used the term New World Order in calling for global government by an elite group.“The governments of the present day have to deal not merely with other governments, with emperors, kings and ministers, but also with the secret societies which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and can at the last moment upset all the governments’ plans. ”
British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli, 1876They’re not Zionists or shapeshifting lizards, but power addicts and deeply flawed human beings, they have been fond of that phrase New World Order for over 100 years so who can blame dissenters for turning it into propaganda to use against them.
And finally:
“We shall have world government whether or not you like it, by conquest or consent.”
(Statement by Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th, l950)- Ho Hum
August 8, 2014 at 10:03 pm -
Ma’am, do you by any chance have TWO of those hats behind the counter. I suddenly feel the need….
- Wigner’s Friend
August 8, 2014 at 10:39 pm -
2 please.
- Ian R Thorpe
August 9, 2014 at 6:08 pm -
No need for Tinfoil Hats guys. Much as I love Anna, I get a bit frustrated with her determination to conflate the paranoia of the tin foil hat man with the level headed questioning of establishment propaganda which is often wrongly dismissed as being a ‘conspiracy theorist’ (Conspiracy theorists are sane).
Its also a bit of a double standard for the ‘voices of reason’ to dismiss the phrase New World Order as belonging to the nutty fringe and then use ‘tin foil hatter’ as a derogatory term for those who question government and corporate propaganda, I think
And the tin foil hat man did at least have half a point. Government and corporate agencies are firing all sorts of digital data into our heads but:
a) the brain has no apparatus to decode or process it.
b) his tin foil hat had no earth strap to safely discharge the static.Oh BTW I knew via my work that GCHQ and the US government were scanning emails and blogs for keywords back in 1999 (search Project Echelon) And how many times was I called a conspiracy theorist for mentioning that.
- Moor Larkin
August 9, 2014 at 6:24 pm -
There was a story last week that Gmail had reported some guy who had included a “child abuse image” in his Gmail. The way that Gmail detected such an image sounded pretty arcane. I would have thought key word-searches would be much easier and it’s hard to see why someone would be so dumbass as to put a “child abuse image” onto Gmail without also using all manner of words associated with such a thing, if he really understood that his image was a “child abuse image”.
Having used the phrase “child abuse image” so many times now, I wonder if the Snug will be closed until further notice by tomorrow….. Watch this space.
- Ho Hum
August 9, 2014 at 9:50 pm -
You have a point. Tin-foil hat merchants can positively add value
On one of the techie sites, on one of their periodic reviews of RIPA, and other IT related issues concerning anti-terrorism legislation etc, one commentator made a most succinct comment to the effect that, when these had first been brought into play, everyone had laughed at the tin-foil hat merchants who, 10 years ago or so, had predicted what the insidious outcome of these would be in terms of mission creep and their extended application etc, and how it was now somewhat frightening to realise that they had been right all along.
On that, and to indulge in a little bit of tin-foil wear myself, is the following report maybe one more possible future, or maybe even present, as might be delivered to us by our ex policemen, news-warriors, and their charming bands of internet vigilantes…?
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/08/sexual-predator-stings/13770553/
As they say, everywhere America goes, we surely follow…. After all, even the innocents must be guilty of something
- Moor Larkin
- Ian R Thorpe
- Wigner’s Friend
- Ho Hum
- eric hardcastle
August 9, 2014 at 11:02 am -
Foreign press: Hamas didn’t censor us in Gaza, they were nowhere to be found
Reporters who covered Operation Protective Edge in Gaza dismiss Israeli accusations of giving Hamas an easy ride.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/.premium-1.609589
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