Dickensian Homophobia.
Jimmy Savile was an unusual choice of icon for the revivalist ‘fear the Satan in our midst’ movement. That is possibly the reason why he is consistently described as a ‘fixer’, or the ‘go-between’, arranging young flesh for the more usual Satanic demon of debauched product of public schools or the clergy. There has long been a class divide element in the construction of the archetypical Satanist; young and vulnerable working class children from council estates drawn into a web of evil by the rich and powerful ‘upper class’.
The origins of the current obsession with the ‘evil in our midst’ can be traced to the activities of the emerging charismatic and fundamentalist Christian religious movements in the late 70s, where flamboyant ‘exorcisms’ encouraged acceptance of the reality of Satanic presence. At a time of declining regular worship, and the emergence on the ‘left’ of progressive views on sexual practices such as homosexuality, leaders of those religious movements were natural bed fellows for extreme right wing politicians of the ‘hang ’em and flog ’em’ persuasion such as Geoffrey Dickens.
That Dickens, an arch supporter of capital punishment, and an outspoken opponent of homosexuality, is currently the darling of the left is purely because they have overlooked his ‘other’ views and honed in on the element of those beliefs which support their view that the ‘working class’ are perverted and abused by the ‘upper class’.
Dickens was an early supporter of an organisation called ‘Reachout Trust’ – an Evangelical Christian charity. Their ‘Occult expert’ was a woman called Audrey Harper. Audrey’s tale follows a familiar pattern of degradation (as sold to Bella magazine. Bella? Really?) and final redemption by Evangelical Christians – after which she established a living as talking head commentator and ‘proof’ of the existence of Satanic Abuse Rings, and babies created for sacrifice.
Dickens wrote the foreword to Audrey Harper’s flight of recovered memory, called Dance with the Devil. Harper claimed to have been inducted into a Satanic coven in Virginia Water, in a ceremony which involved being smeared with blood; in her original version of the story the blood had come from a sacrificed cockerel, although she later substituted the dead bird in the story with a murdered baby.
Dickens, like Simon Danczuk, managed to be the representative of the good people of Rochdale, privy to all manner of inside information, without ever stumbling over the scandal of the very real child abuse occurring in Rochdale – but an absolute whizz at publicising unproven historic abuse by dead ‘Toffs’. Dickens is even managing it after his own death.
It is one of the wonders of the current furore over the missing ‘Dickens Dossier’ that few are asking ‘which dossier’? – for there were several. Several as in several different subjects, not several different copies.
If we take first, the dossier that everyone hopes the NSPCC investigation will find; the one which proves that Tories are intrinsically evil, that paedophilia as a practice is indelibly stamped on one’s DNA along with instructions on which political party to vote for, and thus those who vote Labour will never be infected by this evil – then there were several copies in existence.
Geoffrey’s wife had one copy. She burnt it; possibly because she had more reason than most to distrust anything Geoffrey had to say. He had not one, but two, mistresses that he flitted between – once famously announcing to a press conference that he had ‘left his wife’ but asking them to keep quiet, since he hadn’t actually told her yet…..
Just in the last few days it has come to light that allegedly Andrea Davidson had a copy. Yes, that Andrea Davidson, the professional forger who has shown up in every conspiracy theory worthy of note. The Andrea Davidson that allegedly had a close relationship with Tony Blair – but never thought to send him a copy for safekeeping. The Andrea Davidson that was parachuted into Iraq by the SAS – but never trusted those fine fellows sufficiently to entrust one of them with a copy. The Andrea Davidson that took refuge in the Ecuadorean embassy – but never gave Julian Assange the information that now the NSPCC seeks so urgently. Rats! Wouldn’t you just know it!
Leaving that aside – the first point to note is that Dickens claimed he sent the ‘dossier’ which Leon Brittan is accused of ‘losing’ describing the ‘cover-up’ to the ‘Lord Chancellor’ on the 24th March 1981. The Lord Chancellor at that time was Lord Hailsham, not Leon Brittan!
Dickens’ informant was a policeman who had worked on the original Paedophile Information Exchange inquiry – the leak itself something that was subject to a later inquiry. He was complaining that Peter Hayman was not prosecuted for his membership of PIE. Dickens associated homosexuality with paedophilia; so membership of an organisation which was campaigning to lower the age of consent for homosexual activity from (then) 21 became a ‘child abuser’ in his eyes.
Leon Brittan has recently said that he had correspondence with Dickens in 1984. Newspaper reports of 1983 (Daily Express August 25th) say that Dickens has ‘eight names, big people, really important names, public figures and I am going to expose them in Parliament’. Coincidentally, the same day, Scotland Yard handed the Director of Public Prosecutions the result of their two year trawl of names appearing in publications by PIE. Was the same policeman responsible for the original leak still talking to Dickens? Did Dickens really offer to courageously name names that would otherwise have remained unknown – or was he opportunistically jumping on the result of a painstaking and through investigation by the Police into PIE?
Just to muddy the waters further – in November 1983, the Daily Mail published a story from Dickens saying that he HAD handed a dossier to Leon Brittan – but not one naming 8 big names involved in PIE – but a dossier of alleged perverted homosexual activity in Buckingham Palace! Innocent young footmen and stable lads were being drawn into a ‘web of vice’ by wealthy patrons. Actually they were indulging in perfectly legal sexual practices – the law had changed by that time – but the age of consent was still 21 – homophobes could still equate paedophilia with homosexuality. Today those young stable lads and innocent footmen would be free to marry each other if they wished – Dickens would self-combust were he still alive.
Should the missing ‘Brittan’ dossier turn out to be the ‘Buckingham Palace’ dossier, as I suspect, then we shall be watching the pleasant spectacle of the left wing having hailed as a hero, the saviour of child abuse everywhere, a man who turns out to be a homophobic religious fanatic who wanted to deny homosexuals the right to express themselves and their sexuality freely.
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2014 at 12:56 pm -
As Jimmy would pithily have remarked when alive, “There’s nowt so queer as folk”
- Engineer
July 25, 2014 at 1:02 pm -
What’s the difference between ‘losing a dossier’ and ‘binning a load of malicious gossip’? In this case, not much, one suspects.
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2014 at 1:10 pm -
Lest we forget, the Massed Media and Her Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary, urged us to believe that a vital piece of evidence that was ignored in 1998 was an anonymous letter about Jimmy’s prediliction for Leeds Rent Boys. It contained the alleged immortal prose of Jimmy Savile, “I’ve been for a run. Now for some bum”. This is the level of intellectual rigour prevailing at Her majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary. I imagine Peter Spindler is very at home there. Be afraid. Be very afraid.
- Moor Larkin
- Jim
July 25, 2014 at 1:25 pm -
Fabulous Article. Had to read it twice though…there are more twists than “Breaking Bad”!!
- Ian B
July 25, 2014 at 1:25 pm -
Bit tangential, but regarding origins, I happened across Rosemary’s Baby the other day on the interwebs and ended up watching it. It would go too far to claim it as a direct cause, but it is interesting to observe how, in a departure from earlier horror tropes, the Satanist witches are such ordinary people- fussy old ladies gossipping over knitting kind of thing- and how the movie’s story could have fed into the whole “breeder” idea that became so popular.
It’s also a very good movie, it must be said. The ending is phenomenally chilling.
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2014 at 1:49 pm -
Polanski, Farrow… Chilling indeed.
- Duncan Disorderly
July 25, 2014 at 5:13 pm -
The seventies seemed to have lots of films about satanism and the occult, like The Exorcist and The Wickerman. I recall watching a film on TV from the seventies about people trying to escape a satanic cult that seemed to encompass everyone in the American midwest, but the name of it escapes me. Films about satanic cults in this decade borrowed ideas from Denis Wheatley.
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2014 at 5:16 pm -
By the 80’s things had moved on a touch…
Children of the Corn (1984)
A young couple is trapped in a remote town where a dangerous religious cult of children believe everyone over the age of 18 must be killed.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087050/ - MYYKK
July 25, 2014 at 11:29 pm -
The film may well be “Race with the Devil” (1975) with Peter Fonda, Warren Oates and the great RG Armstrong as the sheriff who leads the Satanic folk.
Mr.Wheatley was a conspiracy man himself – not Satanists/paedos but commie infiltrators (he was right!)- Mr Ecks
July 25, 2014 at 11:48 pm -
“The Devil’s Rain” is another contender 1975
Also contains John Travolta’s first on-screen line“Get him. Get him. He is a blasphemer”
Off to a flying start and after 40 years the dialogue is almost (but not quite just yet) back in fashion. - Duncan Disorderly
July 26, 2014 at 5:51 pm -
Race with the Devil – that’s it! Funnily enough, I googled The Devil’s Rain yesterday because I could remember reading about a terrible satanism themed film starring Ernest Borganine and William Shatner.
- Mr Ecks
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2014 at 2:03 pm -
Nobody could make this stuff up….. could they?…..
Although many people may think the phrase owes something to Charles Dickens, it does not. As long ago as the 16th cenury the word for the “Devil” was “Devilkin” and, believe it or not, was usually pronounced “Dickens”. William Shakespeare included the line “I cannot tell what the Dickens his name was” in the play “The Merry Wives Of Windsor” written in 1601 and therefore more than 200 years before Charles Dickens.
“Red Herrings and White Elephants. The Origins of the Phrases We Use Everyday.” Albert Jack (Metro Publishing Ltd. London 2004)
http://www.funtrivia.com/askft/Question127539.html
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
July 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm -
That title looks interesting enough for me to order. Thanks for the tip.
- Ancient+Tattered Airman
- Gil
July 25, 2014 at 2:12 pm -
Maybe Savile wasn’t such an unusual choice if he was chosen for other more mundane reasons, e.g. as a model for Rolf Harris, who in his public persona must have been the closest thing to Savile alive.
It’s a pity the US or Canadian press hasn’t picked up on all this. It would be fun to see their perspective on the Looney Limeys.
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2014 at 2:17 pm -
Jimmy Savile a model for Rolf Harris? …
Must have been a parallel Universe I was living in. - Ian B
July 25, 2014 at 2:32 pm -
Well, previous Anna articles have pretty much nailed why he was chosen by the Duncroft girls. The rest of the players just spotted a bandwagon when they saw one and piled on.
- Gil
July 25, 2014 at 3:03 pm -
It probably does make more sense that it was a story that ran away with itself. Just can’t get over how H’s name was tweeted at that specific time, i.e. just after exposés broadcast in UK and Australia, with schedule change on Australian channel.
- Gil
- Moor Larkin
- Johnny Monroe
July 25, 2014 at 2:42 pm -
One of the theories as to why the police force were so fanatical in their pursuit of homosexuals in the 1950s was that many of the clandestine gay bars – particularly in London – were amongst the few genuine locations at the time wherein the different classes mixed and mingled, where the old school tie and the union membership card were utterly redundant as emblems of one’s ‘place’ in society. This was probably regarded by some as a more combustible concept than the prospect of buggery, but who? Tory patricians desperate to preserve the status quo or lefties needing a decadent establishment to hold responsible for England’s ills? Perhaps, as when Muhammad Ali once addressed a meeting of the Ku-Klux Klan and agreed that black and white Americans should lead separate lives, distinct divisions benefit both sides. It might explain the persistent myth of licentious toffs leading cap-doffing serfs astray, something both the ‘eye-for-an eye’ right and the PC-zealous left can exploit for their own ends.
- Curmudgeon
July 25, 2014 at 3:20 pm -
The idea that the upper classes morally corrupt the lower predates the ideas of left and right. You only have to look to folk songs to see that this idea has long been embedded in the public psyche.
‘Twas of a gentleman soldier. On a sentry he did stand.
He kindly saluted a fair maid with a waving of his hand.
So boldly then he kissed her and passed it off as a joke,
And drilled her into his sentry box, wrapped up in a soldier’s cloak.or:
Hard is thy heart, Lord Gregory,
And flinty is thy breast:
Thou dart of heav’n, that flashest by,
O wilt thou give me rest!
Ye mustering thunders from above,
Your willing victim see!
But spare, and pardon my false love
His wrongs to heav’n and me.I’m sure you can find plenty more examples.
- Johnny Monroe
July 25, 2014 at 5:00 pm -
‘Matty Groves’?
- Curmudgeon
July 26, 2014 at 2:36 am -
The meme is quite ancient, as told in the Roman story of Verginia, and retold by Chaucer and Macauley.
- Curmudgeon
- FrankS
July 26, 2014 at 1:59 pm -
It’s the same the ‘ole world over,
Ain’t it all a cryin’ shame –
It’s the rich wot gets the pleasure,
And the poor wot gets the blame.
- Johnny Monroe
- Curmudgeon
- GildasTheMonk
July 25, 2014 at 4:34 pm -
I remember Geoffrey Dickens. He was a well known “larger than life” character. That is to say, a buffoon. If had been Home Secretary and he had handed me a dossier I am bound to say I would have offered him a cup of tea, and told him I would read later. And when he had gone, I would have dropped it in the bin, and got on with business.
Perhaps I have a closed mind. But there we are.- Serengwalia
July 25, 2014 at 6:21 pm -
Perhaps a reply along the lines of Mark Twain’s to a pushy and little talented author.
“Thank you for the copy of your manuscript; I shall waste no time in reading it…”
- Serengwalia
- eric hardcastle
July 25, 2014 at 4:35 pm -
I think this somewhat goes to heart of A. Raccoon’s article and is certainly on the subject.
I’m having a net ‘battle’ at the moment with 2 warriors of the Left in Australia over an article that appeared on a Left website here :
http://www.independentaustralia.net/life/life-display/trapped-inside-australias-vast-child-abuse-network-part-1,6460The author, a psychologist ( and fierce opponent of ‘False memory’ expert Elizabeth Loftus ) makes an extraordinary claim-that she was trapped inside a Satanic cult (trafficked by her Nazi parents) and makes a claim : that she witnessed a prominent and much loved deceased Australian Labor Party elder organise a Satanic cult that murdered “approximately 10 babies” bred for that purpose.
I have emailed and posted on the websites of 2 noted Labor apparatchiks – one Bob Ellis, is a great friend of the son of this Labor politician who is also a former leader of the party and the current Australian ambassador to the US, the other Peter Wicks is an investigative writer who has gone into bat for a recently & unfairly attacked Labor politician recently convicted of fraud and who has written numerous tales of how the media misreports the facts.
What interests me is that neither will address the issue. They skirt about and both have become quite angry with me. Indeed quite abusive to the question I ask : are they concerned that this great Labor politician was apparently a child murderer, or do they think it’s hogwash?
To me it sums up the sheer bullying that is current : even those who know this stuff is just bizarre claptrap are too frightened to commit to any view whatsoever lest they too are accused of something. And that is how a Witch Hunt works. - Jonathan Mason
July 25, 2014 at 6:39 pm -
Off topic, but interesting police lies reported by DM that they initially said there was nothing amiss at scene of death of Peaches Geldof “to protect her family” like her husband might not have noticed they were treating it as a crime scene, collecting evidence, etc.
- Davd
July 25, 2014 at 9:17 pm -
I am somewhat other than the sycophants who post on your site, there again I am a contrarian by nature – and ( I have to say) hateful of any individual with legal connections. Dear Mrs Racoon. Pray tell me what is your ultimate take on child sex abuse and the suggestion that people of high office have had intercourse (of a sexual nature) with children. Spit it out, woman?
- tango
July 26, 2014 at 3:22 am -
Davd.Like yourself I am no sycophant and have criticised some of the SRA nuttiness that is being touted on Twitter and discussion forums as fact. I suspect that you’re not going to get a straight answer to that question you asked of Anna. As far as I am aware Anna is not on Twitter but Barbara Hewson is – and she goes all coy and vague whenever asked for her estimate of what % child abuse complaints she thinks are fabricated.
- Fat Steve
July 26, 2014 at 10:38 am -
@Davd and Tango As far as I am aware Anna is not on Twitter but Barbara Hewson is —Dare I suggest that Twitter (the name alone might give an indication of the gravity of the forum) might not be the appropriate forum to carry out a serious analysis of such a vexed question as child abuse or for that matter deconstruction of the lives of individuals. I am from a legal background —can’t say I admire greatly the direction my old profession has taken but perhaps having practiced in it for some years I might be rather more qualified to form an opinion on it than someone who has not —the use of the word hateful though is instructive in that it connotes emotion rather reason —that is not to say of course that that emotion does not spring from good reason —-just that greater emphasis is placed on the emotion than on the reason for the emotion. Perhaps you might give reason for your emotion
That I think may explain your conception of sycophancy on this site. —something of confusion and lack of distinction in your mind between the personal and the impersonal. Issues of themselves are impersonal and unemotional and need to be investigated if they are to be understood and reacted to. Opinion and emotional reaction can then be formed on some reasonable (yes coming from the noun reason) basis. As with many people who venture personal criticism (in your case Davd generic criticism of those who post here personally) , such criticism often says more about the person who criticises than the person(s) criticised and might I venture the opinion of sycophancy might indicate that the terms of debate understood by Davd are personal rather than impersonal —-emotional rather than reasonable —-and I would pray in aid the use of emotive word hatful against all members of the legal profession as indicative of the basis of Davd’s argument —personal opinion though whether informed or otherwise.
I am not trashing emotion per se —just suggesting that uninformed emotion is only about the individual not about the issue
Mind you Davd gotta fess up (strange eh for a retired lawyer) ….if admiration amount to sycophancy then hey count me as a sycophant of the Uber Racoon (with a capital U and a capital R)
Oh — and Anna just to say as always your prose is as good as always —why is it that the phrase middle aged groupies and retired rent boys ring true about the complainants that have received MSM interest ?- Davd
July 30, 2014 at 11:03 am -
Fat Steve – I most always post on forums when I have had a few beers which (might) explains the emotional content. Drunk or sober I would never use twitter, what a truly horrible medium is twitter. Forums are bad enough, and they are bad, but twitter is over and above bad.
- Davd
- Fat Steve
- eric hardcastle
July 26, 2014 at 6:09 am -
I’ve yet to witness Barbra Hewson “go all coy” in any interview and Raccoon does not strike me as a ‘coyness’ fanatic.
Perhaps we could pose the same questions to you :what do you believe in the validity of the extraordinary claims being made seeing that the media inflames, distorts and outright fabricates articles and never corrects or apologises thus often creating false impressions.
I cite some recent examples but they are amongst 100s of distorted reports:# rabbitaway on his website has posted a gem about the writer whose book is being acclaimed by hacks galore including in The Guardian -The Man who Knew Jimmy Savile The Best, Dan Davies who claims he extensively interviewed Savile over 20 years as his ‘official biographer’ and was thus moved to pen this hagiography for the Daily Mail in 2011 after Jimmy died:
“a poignant tribute to the entertainer who had a heart of gold” http;//rabbitaway.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/just-plain-shite.html# My complaint to the BBC which has still not been corrected and this fabrication (repeated worldwide) remains as a certain record of ‘truth’ :
“The Commission of Investigation was set up after the remains of almost 800 children were found in Tuam, County Galway, earlier this year.” http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-28338852 Not one single body of a child has been found# in light of current sensations The Ickietes seem determined to resurrect the reputation of former cop Lenny Harper who declared to the world- I watched transfixed in New Zealand as local TV reported the fantasy- that dozens of children’s bodies were probably buried beneath Haut de la Garenne. Zilch were found.
# I just recently corrected a friend who claimed that William Hague was jumping ship due to the soon exposure of his involvement in suppressing a “Tory paedophile ring” and cited to me a report in the UN Telegraph. Sadly it was a claim some years ago by the now thoroughly discredited false accuser of Lord McAlpine. She finally accepted but with great reluctance.
Challenging myths is hard work.
## The McAlpine case fascinated me as I had once done work for a close family member and been invited as a guest to Lord McAlpine’s Broome resort in Australia. Certainly no fan of Margaret Thatcher, I found him to be a gentle, kind and personable man.I recently asked that relative how the affair had affected McAlpine who went to great pains not to accuse his accuser, but rather treat him gently with concern about his apparent shocking childhood. He replied the last 3 years of McAlpine’s life- not reported- were of utter misery and depression as he pondered how his life had come down to these terrible accusations, could he have avoided it and so on. The family regard these false accusations as leading to their beloved husband, father, grandfather’s early death.
Of course, ‘Victimhood’ is never mentioned with one iota of concern when it comes to the falsely accused or their families.- Mr Ecks
July 26, 2014 at 8:59 pm -
Eric Hardcastle–Have you a source for the true facts about the 800 children story?. Several otherwise very reliable blogs are repeating the story as fact and it needs to be debunked.
- tango
July 27, 2014 at 3:24 am -
Eric,
To clarify, I did not say Hewson goes all coy in interviews. I did say that on Twitter, when asked for her estimate as to what % of abuse complaints are fabricated, she goes all coy. That’s a fact, and the tweets exist to prove it. It’s also a fact that when I tweeted to her to consider that one of the most senior cops in the UK has publicly stated that very few complainants of abuse make it up, she laughingly dismissed it as ‘just what a copper would say.’ Which is an interesting response from a barrister, no?
In response to the rest of your post, as I’ve said on another thread, I do have great doubts about some recent convictions – namely, Rolf Harris & Max Clifford. The Stuart Hall case, I read very little about, so cannot say if I’ve doubts about it as such, although am somewhat troubled by those that suggest that the very fact he pleaded guilty means, automatically, that he is. IIRC, some of Birgmingham Six & Guildford Four also pleaded guilty.
I have nuanced views on all of this stuff – overall, though supportive of CSA victims generally, I agree that there is danger of witch-hunts.
* The 800 dead infants in a septic tank – it’s complete b.s., very obvious b.s. I am Irish and everyone in Ireland with half a brain cell knows this.
** McAlpine I think was wronged greviously in a disgraceful fashion. Agree with you on that one. Messham not primarily to blame here (he saw his chance and he took it) – BBC and the police are.
- Gil
July 28, 2014 at 12:24 pm -
“tweeted to her to consider that one of the most senior cops in the UK has publicly stated that very few complainants of abuse make it up, she laughingly dismissed it as ‘just what a copper would say.’ Which is an interesting response from a barrister, no?”
If the police are pursuing non-existant crcime by false complainants, it would be a serious loss of face for them to admit it. It would mean that though the police know that some people may lie, e.g. when denying involvement in a crime, and have experience of dealing with liars and non-liars in other situations and may be expected to have skills which help them to distinguish between the two, when faced with adults claiming historic abuse they have difficulty distinguishing between genuine claimants and non-victims spinning a story for their own ends, e.g. compensation/media money. While they might check an accusee’s computer for evidence to corroborate an abuse claim would they, for instance, check an accuser’s computer to see if they had been researching the subject of abuse online, viewing victim testimony, etc.?
They wouldn’t be likely to know for sure what the figure was unless they were checking out the accusers and accusees equally. And even if they had identified a few liars along the way, admitting it wouldn’t be too encouraging for real victims. This makes them the perfect hostages for the liars. Don’t believe the liars and the victims suffer.
Another aspect to this that would be interesting to know is whether there could be any link between false child abuse accusations in divorce cases and false claims of historic child abuse, e.g. whether certain entities could be promoting both, whether wittingly or not.
“False Allegations: I have worked for a National Family Helpline for eight years and ran it for three- so do know what I am talking about. True allegations are well catered for in the bill, so not to be discussed here. I can assure you false allegations are rife and are a form of child abuse; as they are always successful. ”
http://www.parliament.uk/business/bills-and-legislation/public-reading/children-and-families-bill/family-justice/?page=6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm8tY_B9UPo- Gil
July 28, 2014 at 12:46 pm -
Correction: “non-existent crimes reported by false complainants”
- Gil
- Gil
- Mr Ecks
- tango
- Carol42
July 25, 2014 at 10:48 pm -
I remember Dickens too as a loud mouth publicity seeker with some strange ideas and behaviour and would not be in a hurry to believe anything he said. Tom Watson reminds me of him though not quite as bad or mad!
- Moor Larkin
July 25, 2014 at 11:18 pm -
Both jocularly referred to as Bunter I have read, and possibly both belonged in the Remove…
- Moor Larkin
- Ded end
July 25, 2014 at 11:00 pm -
“—–and honed in —– “. Homed in.
- johnnyrvf
July 25, 2014 at 11:51 pm -
Completely O/T but I notice the tour passed through your manor earlier today. Did you brave the weather to watch it? Apparently the last time it came through this way was 45 years ago so I might make an effort to get over to Lembras to see it pass through.
- tango
July 27, 2014 at 3:42 am -
I blocked someone on Twitter recently soon after a tweet of his going “A B C are definitely peadoes. D, probably. ”
A, B, C & D were all former government ministers- 1 Labour, 3 Conservative
I asked a few gentle and polite questions, basically saying that if he had evidence against these people he should go to police.
It quickly emerged that he considered his own tweets to constitute “evidence”. I really wish I was joking, but that’s exactly what he said.
When pointing out that in the legal sense, tweets clearly don’t consituted evidence of anything very much, particularly not of very serious criminal offenses, I got in response “Doubter!”
No, asking questions is not being a “doubter”, and if someone is just going to go D is “probably” a peado, I can’t take them seriously – even if A, B and C turn out to be dreadful evil child abusers.
The D, incidentally, was Kenneth Clarke. I think Clarke being about the most improbable paedo that I can think of it is safe to mention particularly given that the only person who made complaint against Ken Clarke is provably a dodgy liar and police have confirmed are going no further with complaint.
One has to laugh at times. I am reminded of the Harry and Paul sketch of the two old duffers sitting in a club passing the time by trying to decide whether various public figures and celebrities are or are not “queers” – of course, they always get it wrong. Pub gossip, twitter gossip, conspiraloon nonsense – none of this is evidence. Plus, it’s often wrong. And when it is wrong, sometimes, it’s a deliberate smear attempt. Mostly, it’s just gossip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP4hzbf3JWo
- tango
July 27, 2014 at 5:00 am -
What’s not gossip is that Harvey Proctor is still in the employment of Belvoir Castle.
What’s not gossip is that several requests are in under FOI legislation to get papers released in relation to child murders and disappearances in areas of London where Sydney Cooke gang was known to operate.
Tick, tock….
- tango
July 27, 2014 at 6:00 am -
To come back to the point of Anna Raccoon’s blog post, which was Geoffrey Dickens and his dossiers.
A Tory MP in the 1980s giving vent to homophobic thoughts? And one of working class stock too? And a fomer amateur boxer to wit?? I simply cannot BELIEVE it. How very bloody DARE he. Such attitudes – it is well known – were utterly beyond the pale, especially among Conservative MPs in the 1980s. No-one else ever, ever gave vent to these views in Tory party circles in the 1980s. only the damnable Dickens (helpful hint: if your irony detector hasn’t switched on by now, you probably don’t have one).
And, not only did he not like the gays much, he was also pro-hanging? I am absolutely shocked and appalled. It it well-known that everyone in Thatcher’s cabinet were thoroughly liberal people. Hell, most of them wanted the prisons demolished. Not only that, but it is well-known that in the shires, even expressing a pro-hanging argument in public might get you a lynching (again, switch on the ole irony meters, Team Raccoon!)
Anna, just for once, give it rest. At this point, you’re not even convincing yourself.
- EyesWideShut
July 27, 2014 at 3:36 pm -
Great article, Anna. I-m just about old enough to remember Billy Bunter in his hey-day and he was seen as a buffoon. Of course, conspiracy-mongers will say that was deliberate character assassination by the cover-up merchants, but Jeez, they really didn’t have to work too hard to discredit him. He was more than capable of that himself.
Viz Tuam Babies: this bullsh*t is widely believed by the rather high percentage of the population in Ireland which is rabidly anti-clerical. Quite frankly, they don’t need evidence. The govt spent €€€ digging up the grounds of an old industrial school in Clonmel which was also supposed to shelter the bodies of murdered children – and zip, zilch, nada. I’ve watched the whole thing go from a handful of quite well-founded allegations in the 90s, to this psychodrome over the last 20 years and have come to the conclusion that the last thing the True Believers care about is evidence. “Faith is the substance of things hoped for”, indeed.
- Moor Larkin
July 28, 2014 at 11:24 am -
“The govt spent €€€ digging up the grounds of an old industrial school in Clonmel which was also supposed to shelter the bodies of murdered children – and zip, zilch, nada.”
At least the monkeys found coconuts in Haut de la Garenne…
- tango
July 30, 2014 at 4:34 am -
Did monkey find coconuts in HDLG?
I guess it must have been, the cadaver dogs didn’t find coconuts. I really wish they did.
- tango
- Moor Larkin
- tango
July 30, 2014 at 4:20 am -
‘They are trained either to detect the presence of the scent of dead human flesh or blood.
This they did, as in the cellar where they reacted and led us to all the bones and teeth. There
were thousands of animal bones in that area and we recovered many hundreds. The dogs ignored them.’‘Millstones of Justice turn exceedingly slow, but grind exceedingly fine’-John Bannister Gibson (1780-1853), jurist
- Moor Larkin
July 30, 2014 at 10:07 am -
Aha, a Garenne enthusiast. One knows when one’s been tango-ed.
http://www.richardwebster.net/jersey-skull.htm
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