They Shoot Hookers Don't They?
They certainly do in Baghdad.
But where is the outrage from the Fem Nazis? Where is the team of ‘British specialists’ sent out to Bagdad to investigate by our Prime Minister David Cameron? Where is Michelle Obama gormlessly holding up a #BringBackOurGirls sign? Where is the hysterical Twitter campaign?
Perhaps if we were to relabel those women as ‘vulnerable victims of evil sex traffickers’ their death might attract more sympathy? As independent women, standing tall amidst the chaos of Bagdad, supporting themselves, not relying on some well funded NGO organisation to ‘rescue’ them, or a politically correct British barrister to demand the removal of their ‘demeaning’ burka, they were, as with the proverbial British Rail ‘wrong kind of snow on the line’ – simply the ‘wrong kind of women’ to be deserving of the ritual hand wringing on the six o’clock news.
A year and a day after the infamous ‘Swedish model‘ killed Petite Jasmine, on 12 July 2014 Iraqi abolitionists gunned down 29 sex workers in an apartment building in Baghdad.
That is exactly what happened, in simple words.
An abolitionist is an abolitionist, and an extremist is an extremist whether Radfem or Muslim. It is a little bit moot whether you kill someone with a bullet or by making their lives impossible while cranking up the stigmas with hate speech (the preferred method in Europe and America).
You are still just as dead, and in my honest opinion the bullet is quicker and cleaner.
This is not hyperbole either, on 8 July the French Senate voted to remove the clauses penalising sex buyers from proposed legislation, leaving behind only decriminalisation and provision of exit resources. Their argument was that, properly examined, it is clear that ‘Swedish model’ legislation does not work in terms of reducing the sex industry, but has a significant negative impact on sex workers and places their safety at considerable risk – just common sense really.
The remaining argument to be made against that by abolitionists involves attacking sex workers head on, much as beauty queens were once attacked, as complicit enemies of gender equality. A few days ago that seemed a good thing that would show the true viciousness and callous indifference of the abolitionist movement for what it is. Today I am not so sure.
“The apartment complex is known for prostitution and in the past prostitutes have been the targets of extrajudicial killings there by Muslim extremists. It was not clear if that was what happened this time. However, if the targets were prostitutes, it is unlikely that would cause the kind of backlash that a large-scale sectarian killing would.“
People know very little about Iraq. It has often been presented in the media as a primitive country not unlike the Yemen. In the real world, Iraq, land of the Tigris and Euphrates, was the cradle of civilisation, and its indigenous people and culture are more closely related to the Jews than the Bedouins, while being unique and very different to both.
Iraq was a sophisticated country before the Ottoman Empire, let alone before the first Gulf war. In truth Iraq was a pretty sophisticated country before Abraham. Sadly, like any old and sophisticated culture Iraq tends to fast breed political intrigue, much of it toxic, hence the apparently endless trouble.
Regardless, you can forget any image of Iraqi sex workers as illiterate peasant girls. It doesn’t work that way in Iraq.
Salon.com Joshua E. S. Phillips 25 June 2005 – Unveiling Iraq’s teenage prostitutes
Cnn.com Arwa Damon August 16 2007 – Iraqi women: Prostituting ourselves to feed our children
Al Monitor July 9 2009 – Iraq’s Prostitutes Inhabit a Dark, Dangerous World
Wikipedia: Prostitution in Iraq
Blip.TV (video) – Alive in Baghdad Iraqi Refugees Forced Into Prostitution
CNN (video) November 2009 – Prostitution in Iraq
Some of it is exaggerated, most of it is spun to agenda, except for the noticeable absence of anyone with the raw cheek to suggest that ‘ending the demand’ would be in any way helpful.
(Listen to their stories, where on earth would any ‘Swedish model’ fit in constructively?)
What I want you to take in is the element of ‘same old…same old’ particularly in the videos.
The women who were gunned down by people who wanted to abolish them are just like any other sex workers in the media, they are just like you, and they are just like me.
They were my sisters and they were yours, just as much as Jasmine, and they are just as violently dead. I cannot help wondering about the coincidence. The first anniversary of Jasmine’s death fell on a Friday, the Muslim holy day, and I am not sure how that works. It may have the same weight as the Jewish Sabbath with some Muslims.
If ever there were a clearer message that *STIGMA KILLS* I have not seen it.
…and the Western Press brushes it under the carpet. So far the UK and Irish press are mostly ignoring it apart from a brief piece in the Telegraph. The Irish Times makes reference to the death of ’29 women in an apartment block’ but no mention that they were sex workers, despite the fact that ‘punished for prostitution’ was written on the door of the building like an edict.
The BBC went with ‘At least 20 of those killed were said to be women’ – ‘said to be women‘? Obviously not the ‘right kind of women’ for anyone to be sure! ‘The motive for the killings is not clear‘ continues the BBC copy – despite then quoting:
Writing left on the door of one of the buildings read: “This is the fate of any prostitution,” AFP news agency reports.
Locals in Zayouna have accused Shia militias of killing women thought to be prostitutes, Reuters news agency reported. The neighbourhood is a mixed district of Sunni and Shia Muslims.
A brothel in Zayouna was attacked in May 2013, with seven women and five men shot dead.
Only for the BBC is the motive ‘unclear’…
Of course there is a punchline that changes everything. I have done a lot of research no journalist seems to have bothered with today.
Several European services regularly book tours for ‘Escorts’ – another euphemism – in Iraq, there is also some evidence of British sex workers operating in Iraq.
Stand by for the hysteria when it is discovered that one of those murdered women was a British passport holder, a ‘child’ no less, enslaved by evil jihadists…until then…
Maggie Jones.
- Moor Larkin
July 15, 2014 at 9:49 am -
Reading this piece, it struck me that “Maggie Jervis” is not an International News Agency with as many as 8,000 professional journalists, and yet, it can pick through the welter of “Information” now available on the internet, and piece together an informative and thought-provoking piece of journalism such as this. It makes you realise how the newspapers and other UK Media are actively dumbing down the very society we live in, with their never-ending obsessions about celebrity makeovers, cooking and bedroom rumours of the rich or famous, when instead their readers could be transported out of this “almost-fantasy-land” of the prosperous UK and made to not only realise how lucky they are, but also how unlucky they could so easily become. That in itself would serve to get their heads out of their butts. Top writing.
- Moor Larkin
July 15, 2014 at 9:50 am -
That should have been Maggie Jones of course… Jervis is the other Maggie on this Roll……….
Perhaps the landlady can put all this human error right…. - GildasTheMonk
July 15, 2014 at 10:11 am -
Well said, ML – I couldn’t agree more
- Moor Larkin
- Rightwinggit
July 15, 2014 at 10:16 am -
Maybe one of them gave the local Imam the clap…
- suffolkgirl
July 15, 2014 at 10:53 am -
Sorry, I think the exact opposite: internet journalism is a a great thing but it can sometimes be frighteningly over confident. What seems to soar over Maggie’s head is that the reason why the BBC report is (very)slightly nuanced is that it it making it clear that it is relying on reports from AFP and local residents as no group has claimed responsibility for the action or named the women. Iraq is clearly a seething mass of information and disinformation and this is honest, factual, reporting. The BBC piece also adds some useful context again drawn from local reports about previous killings of sex workers, something I suspect Ms Jones would have known nothing about at all if, like me, she hadn’t read it on the BBC website.
As it happens I personally support regulation, not criminalisation, of the sex business in our country, but I really don’t see that cause is helped by shoe horning it into a piece about murder in Iraq. Just my view, of course.
- Moor Larkin
July 15, 2014 at 11:22 am -
Presumably the Hindustan Times could be viewed as reliable?
http://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/iraqonthebrink/iraq-prostitutes-slain-amid-culture-of-fear-and-secrecy/article1-1239904.aspx- Ian B
July 15, 2014 at 5:10 pm -
As it happens I personally support regulation, not criminalisation,
Regulation is not necessarily a good idea. Okay, I’m a libertarian so I hate it anyway, but that having been said… If you have “regulation” of an industry considered highly immoral in certain quarters, you’re going to get large numbers of refuseniks who don’t register for regulation, who then become by default a black market subject to police interference. Many women doing a spot of prostitution/escorting for a pulse of cash will NOT want their names permanently held by the State as prostitutes. Not only is there the constant risk of another change in the legal status and a “round up” of “known” prostitutes, there is the woman who escorted for a few months while a student, 20 years later, respectable mother running for public office, or seeking high promotion… and out it comes. Because she’s on that register.
There does not seem to be any justification for regulating anyway. There is nothing to regulate. It works very well even illegally as a free market. As a legal free market, it would surely work fine.
- Jonathan Mason
July 15, 2014 at 5:19 pm -
You are right. Imagine a future Home Secretary having to resign when it is disclosed that she was formerly a registered call girl who had slept with married members of the opposition.
I think the idea of the registration thing is that it is a sop to the anti-trafficking crowd.
- Jonathan Mason
- Ian B
- GD
July 16, 2014 at 12:08 am -
I think this is where it all ties together (graphic image).
http://mymythbuster.wordpress.com/myth-sex-workers-in-iraq-are-very-different-to-us/I never saw anything sum up the complex reality of sex work so well, and so honestly.
I would love to know their names, what kind of music they liked, what kind of food they enjoyed (I love Iraqi food myself)…just to give them back a few seconds more of life, if only in my memory…
- Mr Wray
July 18, 2014 at 5:45 pm -
If only the BBC would be so careful in other instances. When the Boston Bombing occurred it was happy to jump of the ‘right-wing’ extremist band-wagon and is still cautious about the bombers motives, despite overwhelming evidence. Similarly it happily repeats Palestinian casualty figures as gospel, publishes pictures of casualties that turn out to be from other conflicts and refuses to retract when the ‘error’ is later discovered.
No, if the BBC is being ‘cautious’ it is because it is hiding what it knows; for our good of course.
- Moor Larkin
- suffolkgirl
July 15, 2014 at 11:53 am -
I am not sure what point you are making, ML. The Hindustan Times piece is very good, and far more detailed than the BBC one. It was published the day after the BBC one, which may be why. Both pieces rely on agency reporting but the HT piece has more comments attributed to locals. However, imho, the two pieces are not in conflict, and here (I hope) is the link to the Beeb offering:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-28281102I really don’t see what Ms Jones’ problem with this piece is. It seems a bit rich to use it as a primary source and then knock it. What still remains unclear is whether as suspected a Shia faction is responsible for the atrocity, and if so, which one. Oh yes, and just what exactly another atrocity in Iraq says to us about debates here on prostitution.
- Moor Larkin
July 15, 2014 at 12:15 pm -
The reports seems to be about six hours apart (allowing for the time difference between India and the UK). They both seem to using the same AFP source. The Hindustan Times in no way suggests it is sourcing it’s story from the BBC. My only point was that you seemed to be casting doubt that “prostitutes” had been killed as opposed to just unknown residents. It’s only comments anyhow. I guess Maggie Jones is the only one who can reply to your principal point. I just thought her plethora of supporting links made it clear she was doing rather more than just “joining dots”.
- Moor Larkin
- suffolkgirl
July 15, 2014 at 12:24 pm -
Yes, and just for completeness there was also a piece in the Independent so this brutality hardly went unreported or uncriticised in the MSM. For once.
I agree with the author that twitterstorms are often irrational and arbitary in their choices, but it is hard to see what orchestrated outrage would do for these dead victims. In Nigeria there is a remote possibility that the West could persuade Goodluck Jonathan to pull his finger out and do something to rescue the captive girls from a known terrorist group. I wouldn’t know who to ask or even what to ask for to protect sex workers in Iraq.
- Moor Larkin
July 15, 2014 at 1:45 pm -
I’m not sure I want journalists to only tell me about things “I can do something about”. I’d rather they just told me the news and then went on their way. If I want “something done” then it is my job to ask the politicians to “do something”. Currently, I seem to play no role in this aspect of society. The media tell the politicians what to do and other than pay for it all, I am just a spectator while they move the deckchairs around to make a pattern they like the look of.
- suffolkgirl
July 15, 2014 at 3:11 pm -
I was talking specifically about the twitterstorm over the kidnapped Nigerians . I’m not sure if Twitter is a good or a bad thing, but it is largely an independent forum, despite MSM efforts to infiltrate it. It is a great means to whip up frenzies – fortunately usually shortlived.
Although in the case of the Nigerian girls I think the cause was good, even though it seems to have failed.
- Moor Larkin
July 15, 2014 at 3:24 pm -
The MSM certainly adores twitter. Elements of the BBC now appear to be a sort of mainstream twitter whereby the vox-pops are lifted out of the ‘mob’ and their “version” of the truth is given credence (or at least a minor celebrity) by that very happenstance. Personally I always felt that the best function the MSM could serve to the burgeoning social media is to fact-check it, rather than seek to curry favour with it and “gain Hits”. However the MSM seem to have no interest in fact-checking themselves, never mind the howling pikestaff carriers out there. I did read that Malala was having a meeting with Goodluck. I daresay she’ll do as well as any other pacifier. The other piece I heard on the wireless was that the Boko Haram (sic) were offering to return all the girls if the Nigerian govt would release all their Boko prisoners.
- Moor Larkin
- suffolkgirl
- Ian B
July 15, 2014 at 6:57 pm -
There is orders of magnitude difference between something merely being reported and turning into a media cause celebre.
- Moor Larkin
- Acker Furmidge
July 15, 2014 at 1:23 pm -
The likelihood is that this was an outrage perpetrated by ISIS , successor to ISI, which carried out similar attacks. The word is that their core fighters have been trained in Jordan by Western and Israeli ‘intelligence’ and that they receive satellite intelligence reports as well as material support.The two very bright girls from Britain now with them have been duped bu a very slick promotional image into joining them and I hope they soon realize they are not what they seem.
By and large Shia have a somewhat more tolerant attitude to prostitution and a one-day fixed -term marriage w is available for the morally squeamish. Thee rich Sunnis from Saudi and the Gulf , in contrast, prefer a longer term marriage of 2-3 months followed by divorce. now a seasonal boom-boom business in Egypt . - Duncan Disorderly
July 15, 2014 at 2:17 pm -
Patrick Cockburn of The Independent writes a lot about the current Iraq crisis.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/iraq-crisis-how-saudi-arabia-helped-isis-take-over-the-north-of-the-country-9602312.htmlLife is cheap in Iraq, and likely everyone there is a target for someone: “Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.”
- EyesWideShut
July 15, 2014 at 2:58 pm -
Don’t have time to find a linky-link now, but I do recall reading at least 8 years in the US press (dead-tree variety, eg The Atlantic) that prostitutes of both sexes were being regularly bumped off by militia in Iraq. One story stuck in my mind of a young teenage boy who was shot. His father had been killed in the early days of the invasion and now as the only surviving male in the family he had the job of supporting his mother and sisters. And this seems to be how he was doing it.
There was some suggestion that the members of the very same group which murdered him had availed themselves of his services in the past.
- GD
July 15, 2014 at 7:25 pm -
As I understand it, it was not so much that Saddam and co bumped off hookers, it was more that they bumped off people who had pissed them off by accusing them of prostitution and beheading them, often on the spot, without trial. I believe one of the more high profile cases was a lady obstetrician who asked too many questions about corruption in the health services.
- EyesWideShut
July 15, 2014 at 8:26 pm -
Umm, no, this wasn’t about Saddam. it was post-invasion. it was the beginning of the period when Americans were wonder ing what genies they had let loose from what bottles. pretty sure it had nothing to do with the Ba’ath period: rather they were wringing their hands over the complete melt-down that ensued on the fall of saddam.
- EyesWideShut
- GD
- Curmudgeon
July 15, 2014 at 3:08 pm -
The Right Sort of Woman
This is not a new phenomonon. In the celebrated case of Rosa Parks, it is often ignored that she was far from the first black woman to be arrested for refusing to give up her bus seat. But significantly she was the right sort of respectable woman that the newspapers and civil rights movement could champion and use as a cause celebre. Previous targets of these inequitable laws were single mothers or had convictions for drug related offences, or tainted by other reasons for being undeserving of civil rights.
- suffolkgirl
July 15, 2014 at 3:19 pm -
In general I would say you are exactly right: Rosa Parks was chosen for a reason. However, the main premise of this blog – that this story is being ignored because these were sex workers who were slaughtered- doesn’t seem to be born out by google.
Yet to see a government statement, it’s true, but what would it say that could actually be useful?
- suffolkgirl
- Duncan Disorderly
July 15, 2014 at 5:13 pm -
I have to criticise this part:
“An abolitionist is an abolitionist, and an extremist is an extremist whether Radfem or Muslim. It is a little bit moot whether you kill someone with a bullet or by making their lives impossible while cranking up the stigmas with hate speech (the preferred method in Europe and America).You are still just as dead, and in my honest opinion the bullet is quicker and cleaner.”
This is sheer and utter hyperbolic nonsense. The author undermined her own argument with that.
- Ian B
July 15, 2014 at 6:56 pm -
Perhaps a little, but the relentless campaign against prostitution by people who are ultimately motivated by the same original moral reasoning (if you can dignify it with that term) deserves a little hyperbole.
- GD
July 15, 2014 at 9:26 pm -
What strikes me Ian, after almost 3 years at the coal face trying to deal with abolitionists is that I cannot feel they would hesitate to gun down non-compliant sex workers if the felt they could get away with it…
…and I have an equally uneasy feeling that the sons of pigs who shot these sex workers, denied the opportunity to kill would be very likely to content themselves with campaigning for the Swedish Model *knowing* the appalling damage it will do.
I have no problem at all imagining Jim Wells MLA and Paul Givan MLA smiling and gloating while they fire on unarmed *ordinary women* huddled in the shower if they thought they could get away with it (and lads, ye have my full contact details if ye want to sue someone) the same way they smiled and gloated while they abused Laura Lee.
On one hand 29 sex workers are gunned down in cold blood and all the people who are supposed to care (and be lavishly funded to care) about sex workers do not have a word of protest…on the other people tell themselves it’s ok to make sex workers lives impossible because they will “find something else” and “be all right anyway”…when that just isn’t true.
- GD
- GD
July 15, 2014 at 7:22 pm -
Duncan, I am seriously interested to know what you think happens to people when you take away their last resort for survival?
You *do* know that for many women, globally, sex work *is* literally the last resort? (I certainly was for me, and others to a greater or lesser degree, it was probably the case for a great for several of the women who died in Baghdad too.)
- Ian B
July 16, 2014 at 2:38 am -
This is what I hate about the “progressive” State. So much of it is about picking on weak people under the pretext of “saving” them.
- GD
July 16, 2014 at 1:38 pm -
…and you know Ian, sometimes, indeed often, you should put the parenthesis around “weak” too. There is nothing weak about being dealt a shit hand in life, weak is in how you cope with that, and it takes great strength and decency to cope the hard way by selling sex. The weak people cope by seeing disadvantage as a licence to become parasites or to commit crimes and become predators.
- Ian B
July 16, 2014 at 5:54 pm -
I mean “weak” in the sense not of some intrinsic weakness, but practically unable to fight back against the powerful. For instance, in Nazi Germany the Jews were weak, with the whole power of the Nazi State against them, but that does not mean some kind of mental weakness or intrinsic inferiority. Sorry I wasn’t more clear
- GD
July 16, 2014 at 8:57 pm -
I see what you mean…I think the word is “vulnerable”…
Anyway, despite being at least half cut, I have compiled a recipe for waking these my sisters in Iraq for anyone who wishes to join me…
http://mymythbuster.wordpress.com/to-wake-our-sisters/I can promise you will not regret it.
- GD
- Ian B
- GD
- Ian B
- Ian B
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